Other Ideas: Form a White Mafia

[Alex Linder]

[Gabry Ponte]

I want to write many important articles but while I am living in the USA I am afraid to do this. Once I go to Europe and get another citizenship I can put out more detailed information with instructions concerning forming organizations. But what I can say is that:

The org must have a political branch as well as a paramilitary branch. They would work together to reach goals and enforce them. The paramilitary section must have an intelligence dept. Info would be gathered on enemies and government agencies both domestic and foreign. Cooperation with other foreign intelligence agencies would be done for specific aims. The org would have a branch that generates money to fund all operations. When force is required to either earn money (by making competitors close their business) or by making enemy politicians resign, the paramil branch together with the intell service would use various acts of coercion and blackmail.

If we want a bill to pass and don't have enough votes in parliment we force enemy politicians to vote for our bill or they will suffer grave consequences. Detailed files would be made on each opponent politician so we can make them act how we want. T

he same for public officials. The Stasi had excellent tactics which can be borrowed.
The intelligence service would be allowed to have it's own money generating plans seperate from the main org so it will receive money from the main organization as well as have it's own secret budget that is controlled by its chief and used at his discretion. Carte Blanch. Money won't be a concern. It will be generated by any means necessary.

A culture of constant war would be the modus operandi that the org follows. Similar to how Israel behaves. It is always under constant threat and things must be serious and perfect. Fuck ups are not tolerated. Top recruits from Europe and all white countries would be recruited as they leave military service. Additional training would be carried out by hiring trainers from SAS, CIA, MI5, MI6 and other special forces/Intell services. Since the org would have lots of cash it would be able to hire and retain the best people money can buy. Exactly like a private military company.

The political branch would push it's people into as many government and public depts as possible. Campaign financing would be taken care of and media would be bought or controlled. Editors, owners of papers or news agencies would be monitored, controlled or eliminated if they fail to follow instructions.

Jewish businesses that are worth while and useful would be forced to sell at low prices or taken by force. Cooperation = life. Jewish and nonwhite influence would be absolutely crushed from all aspects. Their political orgs would be wiped out and burned down. They would be forced to flee to Israel. Illegal muslims and other muds would be deported rapidly by simply passing bills through parliment. Then the police would follow orders and send them back. New rules and strict policing would make life miserable for others who are legal. Their political orgs would be shut down just like the jews. Laws would be designed by the political branch and then put up for vote in government. If certain politicians have problems with voting yes then they will be dealt with harshly and forced to comply. Cooperation = Life.

The object is to control government as well as media. Also to use tactics similar to counter insurgency but within boundaries. If certain enemies have accidents or health problems that is a quiet way. If people disappear the news won't mention it. We will force blackouts as needed. If people on radio, TV, or internet make statements that are against the org then they will be dealt with. Whether they are living in Europe or anywhere else in the world. The paramilitaries and intell agents will be ready to go anywhere and deal with anyone at anytime. Opponents must be silenced or shut down.

Only when you can attack all the various components of society can you reach a victory. And money is the most important factor. Something most WN simply can't comprehend. With money you can have a PMC private military company as well as all the other tools required to win.

These are just some basic ideas that have not been structured or put into any order yet.

*This is a hypothetical situation that I am not condoning or approving. This is fiction for entertainment*

http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1057910&postcount=12

[COTW]

Resembles the method of operation of a James Bond villain.

[andy]

There is no European country that would allow this scenario to develop.The wild east with their still existing "stasi" would simply kill you,if they thought such a policy was a serious threat.
In the west there is no organisation that I know of that is not closely monitored and Policed.This includes the nearest to the scenario envisaged that has ever existed Northern Ireland.
A study of NI shows that para militaries were and probably still are controlled by the UK state.The apparent success of "the ballot box and the bullet" policy of Sinn Fein ignores the fact that they have only gained political influence when the UK state wound down its counter terrorism policy.
Anyone intending to follow the policy proposed in the above scenario really should make a detailed study of the only example available which is Northern Ireland.
I have lived in the US and on continental Europe,the most racially aware "man in the street" I have encountered is in the white neighbourhoods of Philadelphia,Boston,New York,Little Rock,Houston and ...........New Orleans !
I refuse to believe this nonesense I read daily on the internet that activists cannot engage with normal Americans in their own locales it cannot have changed that much since 2006

In UK terms the average white American is a more extreme BNP supporter.American activists have no excuse they should have an organisation millions strong.To some extent America's racial activists are held back by their own freedom.With free license comes responsibility in civilised societies.American activists do not realise that just because you can does not mean you have to do.So instead of a serious focused millions strong organisation America has a plethora of micro movements and parties all trying to outdoor each other in bizarre costume and outlandish statements and literature.

Rockwell was right in that the USA with its millions of Aryans will save the race,but only if they apply themselves.Use their strengths and jettison or overcome their weaknesses.A paramilitary organisation is superflous in an armed nation with the close at hand militia movement.In Europe those of us with military training have to leave it on the back burner indefinately and hope that like riding a bike you never forget when the balloon goes up.

What America lacks is as do we all probably is POLITICAL Leadership.Someone to take the time to assess what are and are not the targets for serious politicians to engage normal Americans with.As someone who was used to the European model of aesopian language and nuance I was amazed how even in the most respectable of circles one could call a spade a spade.American activists need to look to their European kith and kin but not for how to look cool in a hoodie but how to steal the ground from under the feet of existing mainstream politicians.

Recently it was spuriously reported by the enemy media that a hotshot American "nazi thug" was to attend the RWB I had never heard of him and cannot recall his name.Supposedly to instruct BNP 'ers in martial arts.More useful for the US "movement" would be if they sent a couple of interns to study up close and personal the BNP's methods and applications in the political arena.Then set about applying them within the US political system.

[Krystian Kowalczyk]

What did Ponte get banned for? I mean, I didn't exactly agree with the the guy. Otoh, it seems strange to discuss his ideas when he's been given the boot.

[Thomas Ainsworth]

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In memorium
~Gabry Ponte: Aug. 2009 - Oct. 2009~

[PeterKramer]

This plan is vulnerable to the SPLC counterattack. If your paramilitary wing slaps a jew in the face your political wing will be sued out of existence. Just because the jews can get away with their blackmail, intimidation, terrorism and assassinations doesn't mean you can use the same tactics within their strongholds. They are the establishment. There is a double standard.

Now of course if the paramilitary wing of this organization had thousands of killers it would be different. But that's a scenario for civil war. Jews know that violence is the most effective tactic to use against them. They've arranged things to make it almost impossible for any violent organization to run an above ground front. Long before you were able to build an insurgent army you and your associates would be in prison and the organization's assets in the hands of jewry.

The only way for a legal White organization to have bank accounts, take donations and distribute propaganda is to maintain an absolute separation from the underground, while at the same time never condemning the underground.

Just as black radicals say they understand the rage of black criminals a White organization should express sympathy with White insurgents but avoid any direct contact.

This requires intelligent leadership. If a loose cannon insurgent shows up with a suitcase full of cash you don't take it, you say thanks but no thanks and send him on his way.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Reads like a comic book.

I especially like the part where we pay special forces vets to train WN.

Maybe we can get G.I. Joe to head up the NSM.

[cillian]

Reads like a comic book.

I especially like the part where we pay special forces vets to train WN.

Maybe we can get G.I. Joe to head up the NSM.

Why do that when the fbi already trains so many wn...

[Tonny]

Gabry Ponte = DELUSIONAL

For god's skae have you seen his threads about Gypsy Hunting and Poisoning gypsies with rat poison this guy has no life at all, all he does is stay online all day long and fantasize stuff, besides I read the text and let me tell you that idea is retarded no one in Europe will allow you do and implement that kind of thing.

Gabry Ponte is a teenager who wastes his time online and comes up with unreal and retarded ideas all the time and if you people take him seriously then you really have a problem, plus the last thing I saw on the forum was him getting banned.

[Gabry Ponte]

Resembles the method of operation of a James Bond villain.

For over 18 years I have researched organized crime as well as various intelligence services world wide. After reading about actual events I learned that all this was not only possible but is happening right now as we speak.

The most successful groups are the Commora in Naples Italy. They are more powerful then the Sicilian La Cosa Nostra. From the region of Campania they control a multi BILLION dollar criminal empire. They are involved with every aspect of legal and illegal business in Italy. They also operate in every continent.

They control the media, politicians, police, local and regional government. Even national government. They also are entrenched in international banking. Their hands are in everything. You can't do business without them. They control goods coming from the factory to the market. They decide which international brands are allowed to be sold in Italy. If Hershy's chocolate wants to sell candy bars in Italy they must first deal with a distributor that is controlled by the Commora. If a politician speaks against them he will be hushed by his colleagues who are in the pockets of the Commora. If he still wants to speak then his children might be picked up and brought home from school by a stranger as a warning. If he still wants to speak then he will die.

Mayors, govenors are put into place by the Commora. Senators are financed and helped into power. Opponents of a Commora politician are dealt with during election periods. Almost all aspects of commerce and politics are connected with mafia.

I was very impressed by their accomplishments. The South American drug cartels have budgets that exceed many federal agencies by 10 times. Infact during the 80's and 90's the drug cartels even made as much as the entire DOD budget. They can acquire almost any weaponry or technology that exists. They can hire the best trained soldiers and agents from the USA, Israel, Russia, and the UK. They manipulate politics in South America but they are mostly focused on coca export and production. Whereas the Italians are into everything and control everything with greater skill and organization.


Before anyone says what can or can't be done they first need to stop themselves from commenting on issues in which they are ignorant. Then they need to do their own research and see for themselves what has been documented and what is happening now. I can recommend one book in particular called Gommorah by Roberto Saviano. He now lives under police protection for the rest of his life because of this book.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/books/review/Donadio-t.html

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[Gabry Ponte]

Hi Andy,
As I have stated before there are already criminal organizations that operate all over the world with similar powers that I wrote of. The only difference I am saying is instead of being a criminal organization whose goals are to make money, a political organization can adopt the same tactics which obviously are working just fine. They are proven and exist right now as we speak. Governments don't like it but they can't stop it. Greed is human nature. Can the police stop cocaine and other drug sales in the UK? No they can't. So it is clear that these scenarios are already happening. The UK could not stop the IRA as well. They kill them but more pop up to take their place. You can kill criminals but money and power are an allure that can not be stopped. Remember that the IRA financed their operations from cocaine/heroin sales.



There is no European country that would allow this scenario to develop.The wild east with their still existing "stasi" would simply kill you,if they thought such a policy was a serious threat.
In the west there is no organisation that I know of that is not closely monitored and Policed.This includes the nearest to the scenario envisaged that has ever existed Northern Ireland.
A study of NI shows that para militaries were and probably still are controlled by the UK state.The apparent success of "the ballot box and the bullet" policy of Sinn Fein ignores the fact that they have only gained political influence when the UK state wound down its counter terrorism policy.
Anyone intending to follow the policy proposed in the above scenario really should make a detailed study of the only example available which is Northern Ireland.
I have lived in the US and on continental Europe,the most racially aware "man in the street" I have encountered is in the white neighbourhoods of Philadelphia,Boston,New York,Little Rock,Houston and ...........New Orleans !
I refuse to believe this nonesense I read daily on the internet that activists cannot engage with normal Americans in their own locales it cannot have changed that much since 2006

In UK terms the average white American is a more extreme BNP supporter.American activists have no excuse they should have an organisation millions strong.To some extent America's racial activists are held back by their own freedom.With free license comes responsibility in civilised societies.American activists do not realise that just because you can does not mean you have to do.So instead of a serious focused millions strong organisation America has a plethora of micro movements and parties all trying to outdoor each other in bizarre costume and outlandish statements and literature.

Rockwell was right in that the USA with its millions of Aryans will save the race,but only if they apply themselves.Use their strengths and jettison or overcome their weaknesses.A paramilitary organisation is superflous in an armed nation with the close at hand militia movement.In Europe those of us with military training have to leave it on the back burner indefinately and hope that like riding a bike you never forget when the balloon goes up.

What America lacks is as do we all probably is POLITICAL Leadership.Someone to take the time to assess what are and are not the targets for serious politicians to engage normal Americans with.As someone who was used to the European model of aesopian language and nuance I was amazed how even in the most respectable of circles one could call a spade a spade.American activists need to look to their European kith and kin but not for how to look cool in a hoodie but how to steal the ground from under the feet of existing mainstream politicians.

Recently it was spuriously reported by the enemy media that a hotshot American "nazi thug" was to attend the RWB I had never heard of him and cannot recall his name.Supposedly to instruct BNP 'ers in martial arts.More useful for the US "movement" would be if they sent a couple of interns to study up close and personal the BNP's methods and applications in the political arena.Then set about applying them within the US political system.

[Gabry Ponte]

The mafia doesn't give a rats ass what the jew thinks or does. It doesn't care what anyone thinks or does. However if you interfere with cash flow or business you will be dealt with. It is that simple. The police are shot and killed all the time. Their police stations are blown up.

Jews only have power when the central government that they manipulate is in complete control. Remember the jew is a parasite. It can't live without it;s host. When the host is weak then the parasite is vulnerable. The mafia is not interested in race. Only money. So the jews are safe in Italy. If however the jews interfered in something that the mafia has interests in then they would be dealt with just like anyone else. A bullet doesn't care what you look like or your religion. It kills people without thought.


A WN org that uses criminal tactics could not operate in the USA, UK, France, Germany. Smaller European countries are vulnerable. Their budgets for defense, intell, and interior are pathetic. Look what happened in Sweden a few weeks ago. Some bank robbers used military tactics and took off with millions via helicoptor. They disabled the police completely.

The reason things have not happened is that criminals focus on making money and they don't have ideals. People with idealism often do not have money to make their ideals reality. Then you have idiot do gooders on SF and some here that would not take part in such an organization because it wasn't the "Christian" thing to do.

Like it or not there will be NO going forward unless WN are willing to get BLOOD on their hands. And it's going to take ALOT of blood....



This plan is vulnerable to the SPLC counterattack. If your paramilitary wing slaps a jew in the face your political wing will be sued out of existence. Just because the jews can get away with their blackmail, intimidation, terrorism and assassinations doesn't mean you can use the same tactics within their strongholds. They are the establishment. There is a double standard.

Now of course if the paramilitary wing of this organization had thousands of killers it would be different. But that's a scenario for civil war. Jews know that violence is the most effective tactic to use against them. They've arranged things to make it almost impossible for any violent organization to run an above ground front. Long before you were able to build an insurgent army you and your associates would be in prison and the organization's assets in the hands of jewry.

The only way for a legal White organization to have bank accounts, take donations and distribute propaganda is to maintain an absolute separation from the underground, while at the same time never condemning the underground.

Just as black radicals say they understand the rage of black criminals a White organization should express sympathy with White insurgents but avoid any direct contact.

This requires intelligent leadership. If a loose cannon insurgent shows up with a suitcase full of cash you don't take it, you say thanks but no thanks and send him on his way.

[Gabry Ponte]

I don't understand why you are so ignorant. Who do you think works for PMC's? Do you even know what a PMC is??? PRIVATE MILITARY COMPANY. Those are the people that work for BlackWater and all the other contractors working in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other hot spots. They get out of the military and go make $200k per year training private soldiers or fighting. There are PMC all over Europe. There used to be some in South Africa. Sandline was a popular one. Also Executive Outcomes.

What do you know about Mercenaries? What do you know about international private military operations Donnie from Ohio? Before attacking an idea you need to atleast have some basic fucking understanding of what you are talking about.


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So Donald from Ohio, maybe you should learn about something instead of speaking out of your ass. That is the modus operandi or WN. Talking out their asses when they don;t fucking know what they are discussing.


Reads like a comic book.

I especially like the part where we pay special forces vets to train WN.

Maybe we can get G.I. Joe to head up the NSM.

[Gabry Ponte]

Why do that when the fbi already trains so many wn...



LOL!

Yes and even some posters on here!

[Gabry Ponte]

To educate the masses I have posted some general information about private corporations that hire private soldiers and carry out military as well as intelligence operations. They work for anyone that can pay them. But most prefer working for ZOG because ZOG has the best contracts and starts all the wars.




Executive Outcomes



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Executive Outcomes could be considered the progenitor of the modern private military company. They operated in Africa through out the 1990's and closed shop in 1999.

They were started by Luther Eeben Barlow, a member of the South African Defence Force, in 1989. Barlow, who had extensive experience in SA's wars in neighboring countries in the 70's and 80's, headed the European Section of the Orwellian named Civil Co-operation Bureau.

It is alleged EO's beginnings were as a front company for the CCB to circumnavigate arms embargos against South Africa. As the CCB began to break under investigations, many members made their way over to EO.

EO's first contract that led them to becoming the role model for copy-cat companies was with DeBeers and Branch Heritage Group via the goverment of Angola. Branch's oil site in Soyo, Angola had been captured and retained by UNITA forces. Through contacts with Simon Mann, Barlow met Branch CEO Anthony Buckingham and the idea of how to recapture control of the site led to a deal with the Angolan government (backed by DeBeers), EO and Branch.

The success EO had in Angola instigated a flood of PMCs in Africa, many of them formed by ex-EO officers. EO was also a part of a corporate maze created, in part at least, by accountant and CEO of Plaza 107, Michael Grunberg, and designed to obscure the relationships between soldiering companies, mineral and oil extraction companies, and key people in government positions.

EO and EO related companies along with Branch Oil and other mineral related companies worked all through out Africa in 1990s. Some of the hotspots were Angola, Sierra Leone, Burundi, and the Congo. When the criticisms began to get heavy, many of EO's work went to side-formed Sandline International headed by Lt.-Col Tim Spicer, which operated with the system already in place.

Subsidiaries like air support firm Ibis Air were owned by Barlow's umbrella company, Strategic Resources Corporation, the same company whose directors managed EO profits. Ibis provided air support for all of EO's operations and subsequently for Sandline International. The operator of Ibis, Crause Steyl, was recently the operator of Air Ambulance Africa which provided air logistical support for the 2004 failed coup attempt in Equatorial Guinea.

This is the nature of the legacy of Executive Outcomes. Among the companies formed by ex-officers are:

Alpha 5
Stabilco
Omega Support Ltd.
Panasec Corporate Dynamics
Bridge Resources
COIN Security
Corporate Tracking International
Safenet
Southern Cross Security
Among Executive Outcomes subsidiaries, sometimes via SRC have been:

Saracen International
Bridge International
Shibata Security
Teleservices International
Lifeguard
Ibis Air
Ibis Air and other subsidiaries were housed in the Plaza 107 maze run by Michael Grunberg. Grunberg was also a partner with Buckingham in DiamondWorks as well Barlow served as director on the Branch Energy board, a Branch Heritage subsidiary. All companies stood to benefit from the actions of the rest, and though they tried to remain as publicly distant from each other, their obvious proximity stands as the modern model between business ventures and the extreme edge of the private military industry. (1)

Relations Denied

Many of the relationships pieced together here by the source cited below have been denied in a release by Sandline

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Simon Mann
Tim Spicer
Aegis Defence Services
Coup attempt in Equatorial Guinea
War profiteering
Defence Systems Limited
Control Risks Group
Southern Cross Security
Northbridge Services Group, Ltd.

[Gabry Ponte]

Private Military Corporations


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Private military corporations, private military firms, private security companies, military services providers, the privatized military industry are all attempts to label the phenomena of private companies offering services on the world market that have normally been duties of national military forces or involve armed security detail for business in unstable regions.[1] Every service caters to security, and the growing need for security in a world wrought with differing economic, strategic, and military interests has provided a marketplace that is rapidly expanding.

These services include risk advisory, training of local forces, armed site security, cash transport, intelligence services, workplace and building security, war zone security needs, weapons procurement, personnel and budget vetting, armed support, air support, logistical support, maritime security, cyber security, weapons destruction, prisons, surveillance, psychological warfare, propaganda tactics, covert operations, close protection and investigations.

The industry is best defined by the services offered, and not by the company in particular. Companies may offer a vast range of services, not all of which, or in some cases, most of which do not fall into the loosely defined category of private military services. Other companies may only offer services in the security and logistics fields with few or any options outside those specialities. Many security companies have been around for quite some time and have adapted to 21st century necessities involving terrorism and business ventures in unstable regions. Others have been recently created to fill the market niche left by downsized militaries coupled with military endeavors in Iraq and Afghanistan. And others concentrate on peacekeeping missions and post-war civil training.

The companies of today are used by governments, corporations, humanitarian groups and NGOs, media personnel, and the UN. Private military contractors are the second largest force in Iraq with over twenty thousand active personnel in the country. The industry is growing with some estimating annual contracts in the $10-$20 billion range and others citing numbers as high as $100 billion. Though a worldwide phenomena, the United States and Great Britain account for over 70% of the world's market for their services.

The single largest issue introduced by the evolution of military services by the private sector is the degree to which corporations are now transcending the power of governments, rising as an influential variable within international and regional diplomacy, and redefining sovereignty in the 21st century. Advocates of the industry claim they are economically efficient and point towards the failure of the UN and the system of world governments to cease violence, genocide and civil war around the world. Those who are cautious of the emerging industry see this market as an encroachment into inherent government functions and question the real economic efficiency heralded as a true result of privatization. And there are, of course, many in between, who see benefits and drawbacks to the variety of services out there now on the world market.

Contents [hide]
1 History of private military companies
2 The War on Terror and the 21st Century
3 Points of Interest
4 Outsourcing the Pentagon
5 Corporate warriors
6 Recruiting candidates
7 Creating distance
8 Accountability
9 Trade association view
10 Resources and articles
10.1 List of PMCs
10.2 Related SourceWatch articles
10.3 References
10.4 External articles

[edit]History of private military companies
“The mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous, and if anyone supports his state by the arms of mercenaries, he will never stand firm or sure, as they are disunited, ambitious, without discipline, faithless, bold amongst friends, cowardly amongst enemies, they have no fear of God, and keep no faith with men,” wrote Machiavelli in The Prince.

As Peter W. Singer says in his book, Corporate Warriors: The Rise of the Privatized Military Industry (ISBN 0801441145), "[T]he monopoly of the state over violence is the exception in world history, rather than the rule. The state itself is a rather new unit of governance, appearing only in the last four hundred years. Moreover, it drew from the private violence market to build its public power."

And as Lt. Col. Tim Spicer says in his book, An Unorthodox Soldier: Peace and War in the Sandline Affair (ISBN 1840183497), "Mercenary soldiering has a long and honorable history...When something is both widespread and long lasting, there must be some fundamental reason for it. In the case of mercenaries, the reasons why they have continued to survive and prosper down the centuries can be reduced to just two: efficiency and technology."

[edit]The War on Terror and the 21st Century
The modern private military company has evolved from a hybrid of the wild activities of rogue white officers, and their African recruits, often linked with intelligence agencies running around Africa, and their more legitimate counterparts working under contract from Cold War hero countries. This coupled with the risk advisory services offered to corporations by companies like Kroll, Inc. and CRG and the introduction of more legitimate players from the high ranks of big militaries have come together to offer security to companies doing business in hostile regions and to countries seeking to upgrade their militaries.

The war in Iraq and Afghanistan along with the promised long global war against terror has created a boom in the security and risk advisory market. Trained and experienced military personnel from Special Forces units in the US, UK, Israel and South Africa are retiring to take part. The same is true for the intelligence agencies as companies aiding business ventures in Iraq like GlobalOptions and Diligence see executives on the boards from the CIA, DIA, FBI, the Secret Service, FEMA and MI6.

Many companies are subsidiaries of larger firms. MPRI and Titan were bought by L-3 Communications which is traded on the NYSE. Defence Systems Limited was bought by Armor Holdings, Inc., renamed ArmorGroup than bought out by its board. Group 4 Securicor is a merger between Group 4 Falck and the Wackenhut Corporation providing services from armed prison guards to guarding embassies to supplying electronic surveillance. Computer Sciences Corporation acquired DynCorp.

Many of these companies, while paid with taxpayer money when working under government contracts, are often registered offshore somewhere, escaping tax on many profits from re-entering the representative, public Treasury.

Other companies provide specialized advice and training for maritime concerns such as Executive Solutions International, LLC (ESI). The threat to port cities where liquefied natural gas comes in on container ships could be severe. Pirating and other attacks on the high seas are a threat in many areas of the world. Companies are developing to meet the security needs of cities and companies subject to terrorist or other attacks on shipments.

The laws surrounding hired soldiers and civilian contractors is not clear and not well defined under international agreements. This is a reason why increasingly the focus is regulation at the national level; e.g. as the licensing mechanisms used by the United States and South Africa demonstrate. Yet many of the hired soldiers are not American; they could be from the country of conflict, or flown in from Chile, El Salvador, or South Africa. Exactly what jurisdiction, aside from their employer, they are under is, according to some commentators, uncertain. [1]

This is true for American contractors as well. Civilian contractors working for Dyncorp in the Balkan wars were implicated by a fellow employee for indulging in a child prostitution and sale ring in the war torn country. [2] Those who turned in the employees were fired, and later the offending employees were fired , however not charged with anything. [3]

Some of the interrogators in the Abu Ghraib crimes were civilian contractors provided by Titan and CACI. They have yet to be charged for any crimes, however they are being sued as are the two companies. [4][5][6] All three companies have continued to receive large wartime contracts from the US government.

In 2006, the US Congress published an official report on US enterprises that had signed contracts with the State Department or the Defense Department so as to carry out anti-narcotics activities as a part of Plan Colombia. Most the private contract enterprises are under the responsibility of the Defense Department, but the largest contract (DynCorp) is in the hands of the State Department. [7]

[edit]Points of Interest
The Center for Public Integrity: Making A Killing: The Business of War

"At least 90 companies that provide services normally performed by national military forces but without the same degree of public oversight have operated in 110 countries worldwide." [8]
"Arms dealers have profited from a massive unregulated sell off of low price surplus armaments into the most fragile, conflict-ridden states and failed states. The weapons, mostly from state-owned Eastern European factories, have found their way to Angola, Sudan, Ethiopia, Colombia, Congo-Brazzaville, Sri Lanka, Burundi and Afghanistan where conflicts have led to the deaths of up to 10 million people during the past decade." [9]
"Since 1994, the U.S. Defense Department has entered into 3,061 contracts with 12 of the 24 U.S.-based PMCs identified by ICIJ, a review of government documents showed. Pentagon records valued those contracts was more than $300 billion. More than 2,700 of those contracts were held by just two companies: Kellogg Brown & Root and Booz Allen Hamilton. Because of the limited information the Pentagon provides and the breadth of services offered by some of the larger companies, it was impossible to determine what percentage of these contracts was for training, security or logistical services." [10]
"The International Traffic in Arms Regulations Law (ITAR) requires PMCs to obtain approval from the State Department before selling their services to a foreign government. State's Office of Defense Trade Controls reviews contract proposals to ensure they do not violate sanctions or other U.S. policy. However, PMCs can also sell their services abroad through the Defense Department's Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, which does not require any licensing by State. Under FMS, the Pentagon pays the contractor for services offered to a foreign government, which in turn reimburses the Pentagon." [11]
[edit]Outsourcing the Pentagon
The following is according to the Center for Public Integrity's Outsourcing the Pentagon:

"In April [2002], the Army told Congress that its best guess was that the Army had between 124,000 and 605,000 service contract workers. In October, the Army announced that it would permit contractors to compete for "non-core" positions held by 154,910 civilian workers (more than half of the Army's civilian workforce) and 58,727 military personnel." [12]
"In 2003, the IG [Inspector General] reported that out of 113 service contract actions reviewed (with an estimated value of $17.8 billion), at least 98 had one or more problems, including inadequate competition, lack of surveillance, or inadequate price reasonableness determinations." [13]
"The Freedom of Information Act applies to "agency" records. Contractors, in this context, are not "agencies," even where they perform decisional roles. Similarly, government officials are subject to a body of conflict of interest provisions, pay caps, limits on political activity, and labor rules that do not similarly constrain contractors who perform similar, even the same, work." [14]
"Between 1998 and 2003, the Pentagon awarded more than $47 billion in contracts designated for small businesses to companies that have each earned more than $100 million from Defense Department contracts alone during that six year period." [15]
"The homeland security industry is currently the fastest growing sector of the U.S. economy, predicted to grow from a $5 billion industry in 2000 to $130 billion in 2010, according to the Homeland Security Research Corporation, a private California think tank." [16]
[edit]Corporate warriors
In 2002, Peter W. Singer wrote the following in "Corporate Warriors: The Rise and Ramifications of the Privatized Military Industry" by Peter W. Singer. (Links to 91K/46 page .pdf file.)

"With the rise of the privatized military industry, actors in the global system can access capabilities that extend across the entire spectrum of military activity-from a team of commandos to a wing of fighter jets-simply by becoming a business partner."? (pg. 1-2)
"Many PMFs operate as "virtual companies." Similar to Internet firms that limit their expenditure on fixed (brick and mortar) assets, most PMFs do not maintain standing forces but draw from databases of qualified personnel and specialized subcontractors on a contract-by-contract basis." (pg. 15)
"The unrestricted access to military services ushered in by the rise of the privatized military industry has clearly enhanced the role of nonstate groups which at one time had been at a disadvantage in a system dominated by states. PMFs provide these groups with new options and new paths to power not imagined until very recently." (pg. 31)
"The ultimate problem with PMFs is that they diffuse responsibility. Questions about who monitors, regulates, and punishes employees or companies that go astray are still to be fully answered. That many of these firms are chartered in offshore accounts complicates the matter further." (pg. 34)
[edit]Recruiting candidates
In "Transfering Costs of War to Latin America is Morally, Politically Wrong" in The Miami Herald, January 29, 2005, Geoff Thale observes:

"In El Salvador, the security firms are said to be pleased with the candidates they have found. Many of them served in the Salvadoran armed forces; they are highly motivated, because they are being paid several times what they could earn in the Salvadoran economy; and they are cheap, because even paying five times what an average Salvadoran earns means that the security firms are paying far less than they would have to pay to recruit U.S. civilians to do this work."
"The U.S. military contracts out elements of security operations to U.S. companies, who recruit relatively low-cost Latin Americans to fill the jobs. The contractors keep labor costs down, thus helping their bottom line. The Latin Americans are poor, need the work and benefit from what are -- by their standards -- high salaries."
"Latin America and other less-developed regions shouldn't serve as a cheap labor pool to recruit people for dangerous jobs that are part of the U.S. military mission in Iraq. It may be tempting to pay others to take risks for us. It may be particularly tempting to pay people from foreign countries such as El Salvador, Colombia or Chile, so that we don't experience the human cost of casualties or deaths ourselves. But it's not morally acceptable."
"U.S. military and government officials are attempting to avoid paying the political cost in the United States of the war in Iraq by hiring poor Latin Americans to do part of the fighting and the dying in place of U.S. citizens. Whether one supports or opposes the U.S. war in Iraq, one can agree that it is the U.S. military that ought to bear the burden of fighting a war that the United States initiated. Allies may join in and send their own troops in support if they so choose. But U.S. contractors working for the Pentagon shouldn't be recruiting civilians in Latin America to bear the burden of carrying out a U.S. military mission."
"When a U.S. soldier is wounded or killed in combat, his or her family, neighbors and community feel the weight of the war and ask themselves, Is it worth it? In a democracy such as the United States, it is important for citizens to share the burden related to military action abroad, feel the impact and make the judgment about whether it's worthwhile."
[edit]Creating distance
The July 3, 2003 cover feature, Soldiers of Good Fortune by Barry Yeoman for The Independent Weekly makes the following assertions:

"Private military corporations become a way to distance themselves and create what we used to call 'plausible deniability,'" says Daniel Nelson, a former professor of civil-military relations at the Defense Department's Marshall European Center for Security Studies. "It's disastrous for democracy."
"The lack of oversight alarms some members of Congress. "Under a shroud of secrecy, the United States is carrying out military missions with people who don't have the same level of accountability," says Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), a leading congressional critic of privatized war. "We have individuals who are not obligated to follow orders or follow the Military Code of Conduct. Their main obligation is to their employer, not to their country."
"An analysis shows that 17 of the nation's leading private military firms have invested more than $12.4 million in congressional and presidential campaigns since 1999."
"In 2001, according to the most recent federal disclosure forms, 10 private military companies spent more than $32 million on lobbying."
"Federal law bans U.S. soldiers from participating in Colombia's war against left-wing rebels and from training army units with ties to right-wing paramilitaries infamous for torture and political killings. There are no such restrictions on for-profit companies, though, and since the late 1990s, the United States has paid private military companies an estimated $1.2 billion, both to eradicate coca crops and to help the Colombian army put down rebels who use the drug trade to finance their insurgency."
"The Pentagon has become so dependent on private military companies that it literally cannot wage war without them. Troops already rely on for-profit contractors to maintain 28 percent of all weapons systems."
"There are some weapons systems that the U.S. military forces do not have the capability to do their own maintenance on," concedes David Young, a deputy commander at the Defense Contract Management Agency."
[edit]Accountability
Lt. Col. Tim Spicer makes the following remarks in his book, An Unorthodox Soldier: Peace and War and the Sandline Affair:

"Another frequent allegation about PMCs is that they are "not accountable." Not accountable to whom? World opinion? Outside politicians? I can only speak for Sandline, but we are always accountable, to our own policies and ethos and to our client government, with whom we always have a binding contract."? (pg. 24)
"[T]he majority of legitimate PMCs are quite capable of continuing to operate and grow without the introduction of a regulatory regime. PMCs will accept external regulation if it is manageable and adds to their commercial aspirations and operational effectiveness. [ ] I would suggest that since PMCs operate in an international setting and in high-risk, volatile situations, the sort of heavy-handed regulation employed in other areas of public concern might not be entirely appropriate." (pg. 27)
"Any PMC must adhere to the law of armed conflict, as defined by the Geneva Convention, and show a respect for human dignity and human rights. Although our operatives are always enlisted in the forces of the governments who employ us, not least to ensure a clear chain of command, if one of our people were told, for example, to attack a village, an action which would unnecessarily endanger innocent lives, he would not do it." (pg. 53)
[edit]Trade association view
Doug Brooks, president of the International Peace Operations Association, a representative group for PMCs makes the following statements:

Contrary to various media reports, private security company (PSC) employees in Iraq are not becoming overnight millionaires. Sensational reports of $1500 or even $3500 per day salaries tax free float around in the media, but the reality is far different. Private security professionals with the highest qualifications and suffering the greatest risk may earn as much as $700 per day, far below the sensational salaries many experts have been claiming. [17]
Skilled private contractors in Iraq are doing everything from rebuilding the education system and electrical grids to protecting fledgling democracy efforts. It is critical that the industry spearhead efforts challenging rogue companies and contractors who violate the public trust. [18]
The reality is that every UN or regional peace operation in existence today requires and utilizes the services of the private sector. IPOA members have proven their effectiveness and value in these operations. [19]
In a globalized economy, all transnational companies, whether their focus is manufacturing, mining, transportation or even security, look for employees with the required skill sets from local, regional, and international sources. [20]
[edit]Resources and articles
[edit]List of PMCs
[edit]Related SourceWatch articles
Abu Ghraib
Blackwater Watch
British Association of Private Security Companies
Coalition Provisional Authority
Col. Theodore S. Westhusing
Coup Attempt in Equatorial Guinea
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Office of the Coordinator for Reconstruction and Stabilization
Post-war Iraq
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Joe Ryan Abu Ghraib diary April 2004
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[Gabry Ponte]

Executive Outcomes
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Executive Outcomes logo.Executive Outcomes was a private military company founded in South Africa by former Lieutenant-Colonel of the South African Defence Force Eeben Barlow in 1989. It later became part of the South African-based holding company Strategic Resource Corporation.[1]

Executive Outcomes (EO) provided military personnel, training and logistical support to officially recognized governments only. They were however often accused of providing the military strength for corporations to control natural resources in failed states or conflict-ridden areas. Where assistance was given to corporations in conflict areas, EO claims to have had the host government’s approval to provide such assistance.

These claims have been highly contested, however. Scholar James Ferguson has demonstrated how murky the political/social/economic space organizations like the EO occupy is in practice. It is often unclear. He quotes an Amnesty International report which wonders, "what legal framework, if any, [these companies] are operating within [2]." For example, the EO provided the military force to back the ARRC's (Africa Rainforest and River Conservation) efforts to raise its own money through trading diamonds dug up in "its" conserved territory, a practice which is certainly "paralegal" and not at all conforming to the NGO's own purported mission in the Central African Republic. As recently as 2002, Bruce Hayse, founder of the ARRC, was quoted as saying "Diamonds looked like a way to develop the project with some kind of secure financial foundation, and to provide a more equitable means for the local people to sell the diamonds they pick up.[3]" The EO case is not necessarily unique, Ferguson argues, as such "paramilitary" private militias have been employed all across the continent since IMF and World Bank reforms, which encouraged the "disengagement" of the state in favor of the "free market," left governance open to contestation among NGOs, warlords, and private firms which were able to capitalise on the newly deregulated market and rapidly deteriorating state authority.


Contents [hide]
1 History
1.1 Mission statement
1.2 Background
1.3 Formation
1.4 Activities
1.5 Key personnel
2 Dissolution
3 Sandline International
4 References
5 See also
6 External links


[edit] History
[edit] Mission statement
Executive Outcomes' mission statement was described by the company as[4]:

“ To provide a highly professional and confidential military advisory service to legitimate governments.
To provide sound military and strategic advice.
To provide the most professional military training packages currently available to armed forces, covering aspects related to sea, air, and land warfare.
To provide advice to armed forces on weapon and weapon platform selection.
To provide a total apolitical service based on confidentiality, professionalism, and dedication.
”

[edit] Background
In 1989, following the conclusion of South African Border Wars in Angola and Namibia, the apartheid regime in South Africa was beginning to dissolve. The South African Defence Force was looking at broad cuts in its personnel. African National Congress leader Nelson Mandela demanded that then South African President Frederik Willem de Klerk dismantle some of the South African and South-West African Special Forces units such as 32 Battalion, Koevoet and the Reconnaissance Regiments. One of these was the Civil Cooperation Bureau (CCB), a unit that carried out covert operations which included assassinations of government opponents, and worked to bypass the United Nations apartheid sanctions by setting up overseas front companies.

Only Koevoet — being part of the South West African Police (SWAPOL) — was disbanded as part of independence negotiations for South-West Africa (now Namibia). Many members of the other units, or simply former national servicemen, were recruited by Executive Outcomes (EO).

[edit] Formation
Eeben Barlow, formerly in charge of the Western European section of the CCB,[5] established Executive Outcomes (EO) in 1989. Its aim was to provide specialised covert training to Special Forces members. Barlow was also awarded a contract by Debswana to train a selected group of security officers to infiltrate and penetrate the illegal diamond dealing syndicates in Botswana. When Debswana discovered EO was training the Angolan Armed Forces (FAA), it promptly cancelled EO’s contact.

Many of Barlow’s Special Forces students would later join him at EO after he started recruiting men to assist with the training of the Angolan forces Say's Walter Halicki one of Eeben's associates in the FAA.

The company also went on to recruit many of its personnel from the units President F. W. De Klerk disbanded. Within a short period, EO could boast of having 500 military advisers and over 3000 highly-trained military personnel at its disposal. Although EO was approached by many foreign soldiers for work, it only recruited men from South Africa who had either served in the SADF, Koevoet or the ANC’s armed wing Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK).

Barlow registered Executive Outcomes Ltd in the UK on the insistence of the South African Reserve Bank.

[edit] Activities
Executive Outcomes initially trained and later fought on behalf of the Angolan government against UNITA after UNITA refused to accept the election results in 1992. This contract was awarded to the company after EO had assisted Ranger Oil with an equipment recovery operation in the harbour town of Soyo. Dubbed by the South African media as an attempt to assassinate the rebel leader Dr. Jonas Savimbi, EO found itself under constant UNITA attacks where it lost three of its men. This action saw EO as being recognised by the FAA and a contract to train its forces was duly awarded. In a short space of time, UNITA was defeated on the battlefield and sued for peace. The Angolan government, under pressure from the UN and the USA, were forced to terminate EO’s contract. EO was replaced by the UN’s peacekeeping force known as UNAVEM. Angola returned to war shortly thereafter.

In March 1995, the company contained an insurrection of guerrillas known as the Revolutionary United Front (RUF) in Sierra Leone, regained control of the diamond fields, and forced a negotiated peace.[4] In both these instances they are credited with rescuing the legitimate government in both countries from destabilizing forces. In the case of Angola this led to a cease fire and the Lusaka Protocol, which ended the Angolan civil war — albeit only for a few years.[6] As is characteristic of one of the first Private Military Companies (PMCs), Executive Outcomes was directly involved militarily in Angola and Sierra Leone. The company was notable in its ability to provide all aspects of a highly-trained modern army to the less professional government forces of Sierra Leone and Angola. For instance, in Sierra Leone, Executive Outcomes fielded not only professional fighting men, but armor and support aircraft such as a single Mi-24 Hind and two Mi-8 Hip helicopters, and the BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicle. It also possessed medevac capabilities for the wounded to airlift out of combat zones via Boeing 707 aircraft. These were bought from sources in the worldwide arms trade within Africa as well as Eastern Europe. [7]. Executive Outcomes had contracts with multinational corporations such as De Beers, Chevron, JFPI Corporation, Rio Tinto Zinc and Texaco. The governments of Angola, Sierra Leone, and Indonesia were also clients.

[edit] Key personnel
Apart from Eeben Barlow, other senior Executive Outcomes personnel were Lafras Luitingh and Nic van der Bergh.

[edit] Dissolution
EO actively encouraged the SA government to enforce a regulation of PMCs as several South African and international companies were masquerading for work under the banner of Executive Outcomes. Additionally, EO was actively engaged in providing input into the formulation of the bill which became known as “Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act” in 1998.

EO was duly provided with a license stipulating that it met the requirements of the newly introduced Act.

Executive Outcomes was dissolved on 31 December 1998.

The aim of the Act was to stop mercenary activities by the dual actions of:

preventing direct participation as a combatant in armed conflict for private gain including the training, recruitment and use of mercenaries; and,
requiring approval of the National Conventional Arms Control Committee for offering of military assistance overseas.[8]
Many of the company’s members went on to seek employment with other PMCs and PSCs such as Lifeguard, Sandline and Saracen. Despite numerous allegations in the media, these companies were never proven to be a reconstituted Executive Outcomes.

[edit] Sandline International
Executive Outcomes was often loosely linked with the United Kingdom private military company Sandline International, but in 1997 Sandline directly subcontracted Executive Outcomes for their operation in Papua New Guinea to oust the rebels holding the Pangua mine on Bougainville Island which led to the so-called "Sandline affair" when news of the government's intention to hire mercenaries was leaked to the Australian press.

The Commander of the Papua New Guinea Defence Force, Jerry Singirok - who had not been consulted - ordered the detaining of all the mercenaries on their arrival, and forced the Prime Minister Sir Julius Chan with Papua New Guinea coming close to a military coup.[1]

[Gabry Ponte]

PMC in IRAQ

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A private military company (PMC) provides specialized expertise or services of a military nature, sometimes called or classified as mercenary ("soldiers for hire").[1] Such companies are equally known as private military contractors, Private Security Contractors (PSCs), Private Military Corporations, Private Military Firms, Military Service Providers, and generally as the Private Military Industry.

The services and expertise cover those typically found in governmental military or police forces, but most often on a smaller scale. While PMCs often provide services to train or supplement official armed forces in service of governments, they are also employed by private firms. However, contractors who use offensive force in a war zone could be considered unlawful combatants, thereby referring to the "concept" being implicitly mentioned in the Geneva Conventions and explicitly specified by the Military Commissions Act.[2]

Private military companies supply bodyguards for the Afghan president and pilot armed reconnaissance planes and helicopter gunships to destroy Coca crops in Colombia.[3] [4] They are licensed by the State Department, they are contracting with foreign governments, training soldiers and reorganizing militaries in Nigeria, Bulgaria, Taiwan, and Equatorial Guinea. The PMC industry is now worth over $100 billion a year.[5]

Contents [hide]
1 General terms
2 United States
2.1 U.S. administration policy on PMCs
2.2 New U.S. law on PMCs
3 Recruitment
4 PMC activities in Iraq
4.1 Events involving PMCs in Iraq
4.2 Legal position
5 PMC activities elsewhere
6 List of PMCs
6.1 U.S. companies
6.2 U.K. companies
6.3 Others
7 See also
8 Resources
8.1 Academic publications
8.2 Non-academic publications
9 References
10 External links


[edit] General terms
PMCs are also known as security contractors, although this term usually refers to individuals employed or contracted by PMCs. Services are mainly rendered for other business corporations, international and non-governmental organizations, and state forces.

Private military companies are sometimes grouped into the general category of defense contractors. However, most defense contractors supply specialized hardware and perhaps also personnel to support and service that hardware, whereas PMCs supply personnel with specialized operational and tactical skills, which often include combat experience.

The 1949 Third Geneva Convention (GCIII) does not recognize the difference between defense contractors and PMCs; it defines a category called supply contractors. If the supply contractor has been issued with a valid identity card from the armed forces which they accompany, they are entitled to be treated as prisoners of war upon capture (GCIII Article 4.1.4). If, however, the contractor engages in combat, he/she can be classified as a mercenary by the captors under the 1977 Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Conventions (Protocol I) Article 47.c, unless falling under an exemption to this clause in Article 47. If captured contractors are found to be mercenaries, they are unlawful combatants and lose the right to prisoner of war status. Protocol I was not ratified by the United States because, among other issues, it does not require "freedom fighters" to obey the convention in order to be granted its protections.

[edit] United States
The United States State Department employs several companies to provide support in danger zones that would be difficult for conventional U.S. forces. The military employs many of them as guards to high ranking U.S. government officials in high risk areas all around the world. The term most often refers to the two dozen U.S. firms that provide services for the Pentagon and indirectly assist in overseas theaters of operation. Some contractors have served in advisory roles that help train local militaries to fight more effectively instead of intervening directly. Much of the peacekeeper training the United States provides to African militaries is done by private firms, and with the increasing absence of Western military support to international peace operations, the private sector is commonly utilized to provide services to peace and stability operations from Haiti to Darfur.

The Center for Public Integrity reported that since 1994, the Defense Department entered into 3,601 contracts worth $300 billion with 12 U.S. based PMCs. Some view this as an inevitable cost cutting measure and responsible privatization of critical aspects of a military. However, many feel this is a troubling trend, since these private companies are not directly accountable to a legislative body and may cost more than providing the same functions within the military. Seventeen of the nation's leading private military firms have contributed $12.4 million in congressional and presidential campaigns since 1999.[5]

Another issue of concern has been the recent high-profile operation of various PMCs within the United States, specifically during the initial response after Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. Supporters are quick to point out the stabilizing influence that the operators of these companies put into place in the first few days provided, whereas detractors have levied claims of abuse and unlawful activities. Neither side has provided much proof to back their claims, however, beyond anecdotal evidence.

Domestic operations are generally under the auspice of state or federal agencies such as the Department of Energy or the Department of Homeland Security rather than the Department of Defense. Driven by increasingly greater fears of domestic terror attacks and civil unrest and disruption in the wake of disasters, more conventional security companies are moving into operations arenas that would fall within the definition of a PMC.

[edit] U.S. administration policy on PMCs
On December 5, 2005, U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a lecture dubbed "The Future of Iraq" at Johns Hopkins Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies.[6] During a Q&A session afterwards he was asked a question by graduate student Kate Turner regarding PMCs.

Turner: "There are currently thousands of private military contractors in Iraq and you were just speaking of rules of engagement in regards to Iraqi personnel and US personnel. Could you speak to, since the private contractors are operating outside the Uniform Code of Military Justice, can you speak to what law or rules of engagement do govern their behavior and whether there has been any study showing that it is cost effective to have them in Iraq rather than US military personnel. Thank you."

Rumsfeld: "Thank you. It is clearly cost-effective to have contractors for a variety of things that military people need not do, and that for whatever reason other civilians, government people, cannot be deployed to do. There are a lot of contractors, a growing number. They come from our country but they come from all countries, and indeed sometimes the contracts are from our country or another country and they employ people from totally different countries including Iraqis and people from neighboring nations. And there are a lot of them. It's a growing number. Of course we've got to begin with the fact that, as you point out, they're not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. We understand that. There are laws that govern the behavior of Americans in that country. The Department of Justice oversees that. There is an issue that is current as to the extent to which they can or cannot carry weapons, and that's an issue. It's also an issue, of course, with the Iraqis. But if you think about it, Iraq’s a sovereign country. They have their laws and they're going to govern, the UN resolution and the Iraqi laws, as well as U.S. procedures and laws govern behavior in that country depending on who the individual is and what he's doing. But I personally am of the view that there are a lot of things that can be done for a short time basis by contractors that advantage the United States and advantage other countries who also hire contractors, and that any idea that we shouldn't have them I think would be unwise."

[7]

[edit] New U.S. law on PMCs
According to the FY2007 Defense Budget appropriation bill, the text of the UCMJ has been amended to allow for prosecution of military contractors who are deployed in a "declared war or a contingency operation."

"SEC. 552. CLARIFICATION OF APPLICATION OF UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE DURING A TIME OF WAR. Paragraph (10) of section 802(a) of title 10, United States Code (article 2(a) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice), is amended by striking 'war' and inserting 'declared war or a contingency operation'." [8][9]

Farah Stockman of the Boston Globe, (7 January 2007) writes: "Previously, the code applied to "persons serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field" only during a war, which US courts interpreted to mean a war declared by Congress. No such declaration was made in the Iraq conflict. Now, Congress has amended the code to apply to persons accompanying an armed force during a "declared war or contingency operation."

But the provision might also have unintended consequences, if the military chooses to use its new power to court-martial civilians. For instance, the language in the law is so broad that it can be interpreted as saying that embedded journalists and contract employees from foreign countries would also be liable under the military code. Other punishable offenses under the code include disobeying an order, disrespecting an officer, and possession of pornography in a combat zone."[10]

[edit] Recruitment
In light of the above issues, some commentators have argued that there has been a recent exodus from many special operations forces across the globe towards these private military corporations. The British Special Air Service,[11][12] the US Special Operations Forces [13] and the Canadian Joint Task Force 2[14] have allegedly been severely affected. Finding work in the industry is not difficult for most former soldiers as their personal network of fellow and ex-soldiers is enough to keep them informed of available contracts.

[edit] PMC activities in Iraq
Currently in Iraq there are thought to be at least 100,000 contractors working directly for the United States Department of Defense which is a tenfold increase in the use of private contractors for military operations since the Persian Gulf War, just over a decade earlier.[15] The prevalence of PMCs has led to the foundation of trade group the Private Security Company Association of Iraq. In Iraq, the issue of accountability, especially in the case of contractors carrying weapons is a sensitive one. Iraqi laws do not hold over contractors. Just before leaving office as head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, Paul Bremer signed Coalition Provisional Authority Order 17 where it is stated that:

Contractors shall not be subject to Iraqi laws or regulations in matters relating to the terms and conditions of their Contracts, including licensing and registering employees, businesses and corporations; provided, however, that Contractors shall comply with such applicable licensing and registration laws and regulations if engaging in business or transactions in Iraq other than Contracts. Notwithstanding any provisions in this Order, Private Security Companies and their employees operating in Iraq must comply with all CPA Orders, Regulations, Memoranda, and any implementing instructions or regulations governing the existence and activities of Private Security Companies in Iraq, including registration and licensing of weapons and firearms.[16]

PMCs supply support to U.S. military bases throughout the Persian Gulf, from operating mess halls to providing security. They supply armed guards at a U.S. Army base in Qatar, and they use live ammunition to train soldiers at Camp Doha in Kuwait. They maintain an array of weapons systems vital to an invasion of Iraq. They also provide bodyguards for VIPs, guard installations, and escort supply convoys from Kuwait. All these resources are called upon constantly due to the war in Iraq.[5]

[edit] Events involving PMCs in Iraq
Employees of private military company CACI and Titan Corp. were involved in the Iraq Abu Ghraib prison scandal in 2003, and 2004. The U.S. Army "found that contractors were involved in 36 percent of the [Abu Ghraib] proven incidents and identified 6 employees as individually culpable",[17] although none have faced prosecution unlike US military personnel.[17]
On March 31, 2004, four American private contractors belonging to the company Blackwater USA were killed by insurgents in Fallujah as they drove through the town. They were dragged from their car in one of the most violent attacks on U.S. citizens in the conflict. Following the attack, an angry mob mutilated and burned the bodies, dragging them through the streets before they were hung on a bridge. (See also: 31 March 2004 Fallujah ambush, Operation Vigilant Resolve)
On March 28, 2005, 16 American contractors and three Iraqi aides from Zapata Engineering, under contract to the US Army Corps of Engineers to manage an ammunition storage depot, were detained following two incidents in which they allegedly fired upon U.S. Marine checkpoint. While later released, the civilian contractors have levied complaints of mistreatment against the Marines who detained them.
On June 5, 2005, Colonel Theodore S. Westhusing committed suicide, after writing a report exonerating US Investigations Services of allegations of fraud, waste and abuse he received in an anonymous letter in May.
On October 27, 2005, a "trophy" video, complete with post-production Elvis music, appearing to show private military contractors in Baghdad shooting Iraqi civilians sparked two investigations after it was posted on the Internet.[18][19][20] The video has been linked unofficially to Aegis Defence Services. According to the posters, the man who is seen shooting vehicles on this video in Iraq was a South African employee of Aegis Victory team named Danny Heydenreycher. He served in the British military for six years. After the incident the regional director for Victory ROC tried to fire Heydenreycher, but the team threatened to resign if he did. As of December 2005, Aegis is conducting a formal inquiry into the issue, although some concerns on its impartiality have been raised.
On September 17, 2007, the Iraqi government announced that it was revoking the license of the American security firm Blackwater USA over the firm's involvement in the deaths of eight civilians in a firefight that followed a car bomb explosion near a State Department motorcade. Blackwater is currently one of the most high-profile firms operating in Iraq, with around 1,000 employees as well as a fleet of helicopters in the country. Whether the group may be legally prosecuted is still a matter of debate.[21]
[edit] Legal position
Two days before he left Iraq, L. Paul Bremer signed "Order 17"[22] giving all Americans associated with the CPA and the American government immunity from Iraqi law.[23] A July 2007 report from the American Congressional Research Service indicates that the Iraqi government still has no authority over private security firms contracted by the U.S. government.[24]

[edit] PMC activities elsewhere
In 1994 and 1995 South African based PMC Executive Outcomes was involved in two military actions in Africa. In the first conflict, EO fought on the behalf of the Angolan government against UNITA after a UN brokered peace settlement broke down. In the second action EO was tasked with containing a guerrilla movement in Sierra Leone called the Revolutionary United Front. Both missions involved personnel from the firm training 4-5 thousand combat personnel for the Angolan government and retaking control of the diamond fields and forming a negotiated peace in Sierra Leone.
In 1999, an incident involving DynCorp in Bosnia was followed by a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) lawsuit was filed against DynCorp employees stationed in Bosnia, which alleged that: "employees and supervisors from DynCorp were engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior and were illegally purchasing women, weapons, forged passports and participating in other immoral acts."
In 2000, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's ABC Television international affairs program "Foreign Correspondent (tv series)|Foreign Correspondent]]" broadcast a special report "Sierra Leone: Soldiers of Fortune", focussing on the exploits of South African pilot Neall Ellis and his MI-24 Hind gunship.[25] The report also investigated the failures of the UN Peacekeeping Force, and the involvement of mercenaries/private military contractors in providing vital support to UN operations and British military Special Operations in Sierra Leone in 1999-2000.[26]
On April 5, 2005, Jamie Smith, CEO of SCG International Risk announced the expansion of services from the traditional roles of PMCs of protection and intelligence to military aviation support. SCG International Air would provide air support, medevac (medical evacuation), rotary and fixed-wing transportation, heavy-lift cargo, armed escort and executive air travel to "any location on earth." This marks a unique addition and expansion of services to rival the capabilities of some country's armies and air forces.
On March 27, 2006, J. Cofer Black, vice chairman of Blackwater USA announced to attendees of a special operations exhibition in Jordan that his company could now provide a brigade-size force for low intensity conflicts. According to Black, "There is clear potential to conduct security operations at a fraction of the cost of NATO operations".[27]
In mid-May 2006, police in the Democratic Republic of the Congo arrested 32 alleged mercenaries of different nationalities; 19 South Africans, 10 Nigerians and three Americans. Half of them worked for a South African company named Omega Security Solutions and the Americans for AQMI Strategy Corp. The men were accused of plotting to overthrow the government but charges weren't pressed. The men were deported to their home countries.[28][29]
In 2006, a U.S. congressional report listed a number of PMCs and other enterprises that have signed contracts to carry out anti-narcotics operations and related activities as part of Plan Colombia. DynCorp was among those contracted by the State Department, while others signed contracts with the Defense Department. Other companies from different countries, including Israel, have also signed contracts with the Colombian Defense Ministry to carry out security or military activities.[4]
[edit] List of PMCs
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[edit] U.S. companies
Name HQ Portfolio Details
AirScan Titusville, FL US Department of Defense, US Air Force, NASA, US Forest Service, National Test Pilot School, National Response Corporation, US Department of the Interior, Bureau of Land Reclamation, Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia, Maximum Protective Services, ECOPETROL: the national oil company of Colombia, Occidental Petroleum Corporation, Cabinda Gulf Oil Company (Angola), SONANGOL: national oil company of Angola Provides airborne surveillance and security
Custer Battles McLean, Virginia Iraq and oil sector (at present, have ceased operations in Iraq)
Defion Internacional
DynCorp Falls Church, VA Iraq
ITT Corporation White Plains, NY Kosovo
KBR Houston Formerly a Division of Halliburton
Military Professional Resources Inc. Alexandria, VA
MVM, Inc. Vienna, Virginia CIA and NSA contractor
Northbridge Services Group Turkmenistan, Somalia, Nigeria
Northrop Grumman Los Angeles
Paratus World Wide Protection Charlotte, New Jersey Iraq
Raytheon Cambridge, MA
Triple Canopy, Inc. Herndon, Virginia South America, Iraq
Sharp End International Mainly uses Australian and New Zealand ex-special forces instructors
Titan Corporation San Diego, CA Benin Triple Canopy Iraq

Vinnell Corporation Fairfax, Virginia Turkey, Saudi Arabia
Xe Moyock, NC Iraq, Afghanistan, New Orleans, Louisiana, and others Formerly Blackwater Worldwide
Pathfinder Security Services Casper, Wyoming Oil, gas and mining sector; mainly in the US

[edit] U.K. companies
Name HQ Portfolio Details
Aegis Defence Services Iraq, Afghanistan, and others
ArmorGroup Now part of G4S
Control Risks Group Provider of security and armed guards for British Embassies and Consulates
Erinys International Joint South Africa-Britain company
Sandline International Ceased operations on April 16, 2004
PMC Trust Provides risk management

[edit] Others
Executive Outcomes, South Africa (ceased operations on January 1, 1999)
Omega Group - Norway
Integrated Risk Management Services - Ireland, protecting of Shell oil in Ireland and Bolivia
Unity Resources Group, Australia, Based in Dubai - Special Forces veterans from Australia, the US, New Zealand and Great Britain - as well as former law enforcement officers from those countries.
[edit] See also
Arms trade
Blackwater Watch
Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army
Command responsibility
Jus in bello
Mercenaries
Military-industrial complex
Personal Security Detachment
Private defense agency
Privateer
Shadow Force
The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot
UN Mercenary Convention
Unlawful combatant#Mercenaries

[Gabry Ponte]

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4151/091003c.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/i/091003c.jpg/)



Private intelligence agency

A private intelligence agency is a private sector (non-governmental) organization devoted to the collection and analysis of information, most commonly through the evaluation of public sources (OSINT or Open Source INTelligence) and cooperation with other institutions. Some private agencies make their services available to governments as well as individual consumers; however, most of these agencies sell their services to large cooperations with an interest or investment in the category (e.g. crime, disease, corruption, etc.) or the region (e.g. Middle East, Vietnam, Prague, etc.). Some private agencies also provide related services, such as security personnel, surveillance equipment, medical evacuation or traveler's insurance.

The private intelligence industry has boomed due to shifts in how the US government is conducting espionage in the War on Terror. Functions previously performed by the CIA and other intelligence agencies are now outsourced to private intelligence corporations.

[edit] List of Private Intelligence Agencies
Zariba Security
ASI Group
Le Cercle
Control Risks Group
Global Strategies Group
GlobalSource
IANO Group
IISIA(JAPAN)
iJET
International Regional Security Agency
Jane's Information Group
NC4
Olive Group
Secure Solutions International
SIASS - Specialist Intelligence and Security Services
Simplified Information Solutions
Strategic Insight Group
Stratfor
Tangiers International
The Steele Foundation
TranSecur
World-Check
Open Source Intelligence
Private investigator
Think tank
Competitive intelligence

[Gabry Ponte]

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scahill_updates_Blackwater_book_with_new_0731.html

Scahill: Blackwater now in the private intelligence businessDavid Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Thursday July 31, 2008





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Jeremy Scahill, author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army, is worried about the giant mercenary firm's latest foray into private intelligence. "They're marketing their services to not only foreign governments, but to Fortune 500 corporations," he recently told an interviewer.

The forthcoming paperback edition of Scahill's book on Blackwater, which appeared in hardcover in February 2007, will include 100 pages of new material, including a discussion of last September's shooting spree in Baghdad by Blackwater operatives -- which killed 17 Iraqi civilians but for which nobody has ever been charged.

"This is a company that has been accused of murdering Iraqi civilians," Scahill pointed out, "of shooting the bodyguard to the Iraqi vice-president, of causing blowback attacks on United States troops, of hurting the morale of the United States military -- that has cost United States taxpayers over a billion dollars for its operations in Iraq."

However, Scahill's greatest concern at present appears to be Blackwater's venture into the private intelligence business.

"Blackwater started a private intelligence company," he explained, "a private CIA essentially, called Total Intelligence Solutions. And the man running Total Intelligence Solutions is J. Cofer Black. He's a thirty-year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency. He also was the guy who ran the CIA's extraordinary rendition program, the government-sanctioned kidnap-and-torture program."

"His thirty-year CIA career, his network of contacts, his knowledge that was gained through his work in the most sensitive areas of the United States government is now on the open market for hire," Scahill said sadly.

"This isn't a liberal or conservative thing," concluded Scahill. "You have a lot of traditional conservatives who are outraged at what they see as the degradation of the United States armed forces. ... This has everything to do with the future of war-making and global stability."

[Gabry Ponte]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2005/01/spy-who-billed-me

The Spy Who Billed Me

In the post-9/11 rush to beef up intelligence, the government has outsourced everything from spy satellites to covert operations -- and well-connected companies are cashing in.


—By Tim Shorrock




January/February 2005 Issue
A small crowd files past a sign reading “Career Fair Today” at the Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly, Virginia, just outside Washington, D.C. An American flag and a cluster of colorful balloons flutter in the breeze. But inside, it quickly becomes clear that this is no ordinary job fair. Everybody, from the well-dressed applicants to the stern-faced recruiters, wears a badge reading “Secret” or “Top Secret.” That’s because this event is open only to candidates with an intelligence background and a government security clearance -- the more high-level, the better.



Many of the 5,517 jobs available have something to do with the global war on terror or the occupation of Iraq. One recruiter has a position open for an “Iraq Counterterrorism Analyst.” Another is looking for personnel to “conduct interrogations of detainees” in Iraq. There is a job in Baghdad for a senior intelligence analyst and several in Fort Belvoir, Virginia, for intelligence analysts experienced in “counter-terrorism, threat analysis, and counter-narcotics.” One job looks formidable: a “deputy site manager” is needed in Baghdad to supervise “1,500-2,000 linguists providing interpreter-translator service to a 140,000-member deployed U.S. military force conducting counter-insurgency, stabilization and nation building operations.”

There’s only one thing missing: the U.S. government. Every one of these jobs is being advertised by a private company -- one of hundreds of firms that contract with the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, or the Pentagon to provide everything from urine testers to supervisors of clandestine operations overseas. The people hired for these jobs may be doing government work in Washington or Baghdad, but they will be paid by firms such as the international consulting giant Booz Allen Hamilton or CACI International, one of the companies whose employees were implicated in prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib.

The job fair is being sponsored by IntelligenceCareers.com, a recruitment firm headed by William D. Golden, a former Army intelligence officer. Golden says his company can hardly keep up with the demand for intelligence contractors. “The government has become addicted to the use of private industry in the world of intelligence,” he says. “In fact, they’ve made a science of it.” Indeed they have. A CIA official interviewed for this story wouldn’t say how much of the agency’s work is done by private companies, but admitted that outsourcing has increased substantially since 2001. Of the estimated $40 billion the United States is expected to spend on intelligence this year, experts say at least 50 percent will go to private contractors.

Yet as Americans learn more about the role of intelligence contractors from Afghanistan (where a contractor has been charged in connection with the death of a detainee) to Guantanamo (where Lockheed Martin has supplied interrogators, according to the trade publication Federal Times), critics are beginning to question whether private companies should be in the business of handling some of the government’s most sensitive work. Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists, believes that the kind of military intelligence work contracted to CACI, Titan Corp., and other companies is particularly ripe for problems because intelligence agencies “operate under unusual authority.” He adds: “I don’t think the current oversight system is equipped to monitor the activities of contractors. That is one of the central lessons of the Abu Ghraib affair.”

Like the defense industry, the intelligence business is driven by a network of lobbyists and a web of close connections between government and the private sector. But unlike the arms industry, intelligence contractors operate in a world where budgets are classified and many activities -- from covert operations to foreign eavesdropping -- are conducted in secret. Even the bidding for intelligence contracts is often classified. As a result, there is virtually no oversight of the intelligence community and its corporate partners. That was one of the central findings of the 9/11 commission, which called congressional supervision of intelligence and counterterrorism “dysfunctional.”

The outsourcing revolution began with the end of the Cold War, when hundreds of intelligence jobs were eliminated, and quickened in the mid-1990s under Vice President Al Gore’s Reinventing Government initiative. Sensing a niche, information technology companies like CACI and Titan began hiring retired intelligence employees and contracting them back to the agencies they had once worked for; their business boomed after 9/11, when the intelligence community found itself awash in money and desperate to catch up.

Today, the ties between intelligence agencies and the private sector are so close, it’s sometimes hard to tell the difference. Joan Dempsey, a former CIA deputy director, recently -- and approvingly -- referred to consulting firm Booz Allen as “the shadow intelligence community.” Three of Booz Allen’s current and former vice presidents previously served as intelligence agency directors, including James Woolsey, who headed the CIA during the Clinton administration. Connections with the private sector are especially close at the NSA, where outsourcing has grown rapidly. Former NSA director William Studeman is now a vice president of Northrop Grumman, and Barbara McNamara, a former deputy director, is on the board of CACI. After leaving government, these officials keep their high-level security clearances, which makes them extremely valuable to their new employers. “You can’t do anybusiness without having the clearances,” says John Pike of GlobalSecurity.org, a Virginia- based think tank. “How else would you know about the contracts?”

The lines separating contractors from agencies are so blurred that at the leading trade association -- the Security Affairs Support Association (SASA) -- 8 of 20 board members are current government officials. The association represents about 125 intelligence contractors, including Boeing, CACI, General Dynamics, and Computer Sciences Corporation (CSC). Retired Air Force Lt. General Kenneth Minihan, its president and chairman, is yet another former director of the NSA. As a nonprofit, SASA is barred from lobbying, but it frequently sponsors events where government and corporate officials mingle, and it provides infor- mation to members of Congress. “We use the term ‘advocacy,’” says Frank Blanco, SASA’s executive vice president.

Intelligence contractors themselves, meanwhile, have fielded armies of lobbyists to keep the money flowing; according to the Project on Government Oversight, Lockheed Martin spent $47 million on outside lobbying between 1997 and 2004, while another company, SAIC, spent $8.6 million and CSC spent $3.3 million. Lockheed Martin has also hired Joe Allbaugh, who managed the 2000 Bush campaign, to lobby for its rapidly growing intelligence division. And the companies are showering key members of Congress with contributions: The top contributor to Duncan Hunter (R-Ca.), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, is Titan Corp. Over at the Senate Intelligence Committee, Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) received $14,000, almost half of his PAC intake in 2004, from six key contractors.

Most of the big players in the intelligence business have set up shop within shouting distance of SASA’s offices on the National Business Parkway in Annapolis Junction, Maryland -- just blocks from the gleaming headquarters of the NSA. One large building bears the logo of Boeing, the prime contractor for the nation’s spy satellite system; the next complex houses CSC and Logicon, the information technology unit of Northrop Grumman. Together, in 2001, the companies won a $2 billion contract to modernize the NSA’s information systems; the day the project began, more than 600 government workers were instantly transformed into private contractors. Next door sits the brand-new headquarters for Titan, whose earnings have surged due to its contract with the U.S. Army to supply translators and provide support for the military’s unmanned spy planes. Across the street is Booz Allen, one of the prime contractors for the Trailblazer project, a huge effort to overhaul the NSA’s top-secret signals intelligence capabilities. Booz Allen and SAIC are doing research for the project under a $280 million “technology demonstration platform” contract, and few doubt that the NSA will award the final, much larger contract to the same companies. That troubles analysts, who say that allowing contractors to write the specs for their own future deals -- as Halliburton did in Iraq -- is a conflict of interest. That task “should remain within the agencies,” says Aftergood. (Booz Allen, like other contractors contacted for this article, would not comment on its intelligence work.)

But with the contracting boom continuing unchecked, such controls are unlikely -- which means, says Pike of GlobalSecurity.org, that America’s spy network could soon resemble NASA’s mission control room in Houston. “Most people, when they see that room, think they’re looking at a bunch of NASA people,” Pike notes. “But it’s 90 percent contractors.”

[Gabry Ponte]

The mafia is like a PMC and a Private Intell Service. Except that it is a criminal entity without rules, borders, or laws to abide by.

Typically large mafia groups also buy real companies to wash their money. They also buy legit companies to make more money. They undercut the competition because they are subsidizing products or services from money gained by illegal activities. That kills the competition and drives everyone else out of business. Then they can raise prices and make even more money.


If a WN org that operated similar to an organized crime group were to also own several private security companies that would be the start of enabling change in the European political arena. Any of the major PMC's operating in the Middle East can crush most of the armies of Eastern Europe. Did you know that the 1400 Russian troops stationed in the break away Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic are too much for the entire armed forces of Moldova. lol. That is how weak and pathetic some small European countries are.

But the mafia has learned that it is more profitable to work inside the state then to fight it directly. WN must infiltrate and coerce the governments of Europe and put into place a new government step by step. If they operate using proven tactics like the Italians have, then it is not very difficult. Region by region "elected" officials will be placed into power. Enemies will be shut down, and slowly the country will change to a WN state. The press will be bought or controlled, and obstacles will be overcome as described in the previous posts.


These are just ideas of fiction. I am in no way or form condoning or instructing any illegal activities.

[Gabry Ponte]

YouTube - Blackwater: Shadow Army

[Gabry Ponte]

YouTube - Private Armies - 52 min documentary

[Gabry Ponte]

YouTube - south African mercenary training

[Gabry Ponte]

Interesting note: After WWII many Waffen SS and Nazi soldiers went to work as mercenaries for various Middle Eastern and African governments. Otto Skorzeny provided training for them as well. There is an Italian film that has clips of actual mercenaries fighting. It;'s called Africa Addio. You can watch it free on Google video.

YouTube - MERCENARIOS EN EL CONGO


YouTube - Congo, Simba Rebellion 1/2

[Gabry Ponte]

This video clip contains EX Waffen SS officers fighting as mercenaries in Africa.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[Gabry Ponte]

Gabry Ponte = DELUSIONAL

For god's skae have you seen his threads about Gypsy Hunting and Poisoning gypsies with rat poison this guy has no life at all, all he does is stay online all day long and fantasize stuff, besides I read the text and let me tell you that idea is retarded no one in Europe will allow you do and implement that kind of thing.

Gabry Ponte is a teenager who wastes his time online and comes up with unreal and retarded ideas all the time and if you people take him seriously then you really have a problem, plus the last thing I saw on the forum was him getting banned.

It seems that my joke about killing gypsys as a sport was disturbing for you. It was savage maybe? I am glad. I also find the thought of gypsys stealing cookies laced with rat poison hilarious. Maybe someone in Romania or Hungary will read this post and get ideas. I hope they put it on youtube so I can post it for you gypsy lover. Tonny sounds like a gypsy name.

[Donnie in Ohio]

So Donald from Ohio, maybe you should learn about something instead of speaking out of your ass. That is the modus operandi or WN. Talking out their asses when they don;t fucking know what they are discussing.



The name is Donnie, and I'll thank you to STFU troll.

What is with posting in bold? Over 900 posts in a month, and you were banned for a week of that.

A sincere WTF, dude?

Your copy & paste mittyesque fantasy bullshit is a fucking joke. :)

[OTPTT]

The name is Donnie, and I'll thank you to STFU troll.

Makes one wonder when a poster comes here and attacks long time posters in such a vile manner as this loser has done. I've put it on ignore.

[Gabry Ponte]

The name is Donnie, and I'll thank you to STFU troll.

What is with posting in bold? Over 900 posts in a month, and you were banned for a week of that.

A sincere WTF, dude?

Your copy & paste mittyesque fantasy bullshit is a fucking joke. :)

You can never add anything but silly comments. You and your butt buddy OTTPP have been stroking each others cocks so long you forgot how to make posts of your own. Why don't you and OTTPPEEPEE do something extraordinary...start your own threads. Wow. A new concept. But you don't have ideas of your own so you must continue to leach off others. Leaching off others is parasitic. A behavior that zions children often adopt. I type in bold because I know how much you and your butt patrol Rounder and OTPEPE love it. BTW, Rounder just said hail to the brown muzzies. You guys are starting to get sick from breathing all those fumes during your lawn mower races in Rounders yard. Wear a mask or something. You are losing the few brain cells god gave you.

[Gabry Ponte]

Makes one wonder when a poster comes here and attacks long time posters in such a vile manner as this loser has done. I've put it on ignore.

Let's be honest pisshead. You exist to troll my posts. You can not help your little self. It is that little man inside your head again telling you to do things. Doctors call it mental illness. You can never ignore me. Without me what would you write about. You an I both know you are not intelligent enough to write about anything of your own. Lawn mower racer.

http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/2008/05/01mower16.jpg

[OTPTT]

You can never add anything but silly comments. You and your butt buddy OTTPP have been stroking each others cocks so long you forgot how to make posts of your own. Why don't you and OTTPPEEPEE do something extraordinary...start your own threads. Wow. A new concept. But you don't have ideas of your own so you must continue to leach off others. Leaching off others is parasitic. A behavior that zions children often adopt. I type in bold because I know how much you and your butt patrol Rounder and OTPEPE love it. BTW, Rounder just said hail to the brown muzzies. You guys are starting to get sick from breathing all those fumes during your lawn mower races in Rounders yard. Wear a mask or something. You are losing the few brain cells god gave you.

Boiler plate ad hominem attacks. You just cut and paste and plug in names as necessary.

If you're not a filthy kike troll I'm not White. No White man talks about "stroking cocks" as much as you do and that seems to be foremost in your mind. Project much? No White man would attack long time posters in such a vile manner as you have done. Anyone that can't see beyond your facade is blind. Why you aren't banned is a mystery.

:jew:

[MikeTodd]

Anyone that can't see beyond your facade is blind. Why you aren't banned is a mystery.
Put him in tard stocks I say.
That way the villagers can amuse themselves by pelting him with rotten veggies and poking him with sticks.

On a side note he kinda reminds me of sean(duck)martin another shrill but BOLD poster.

[Gabry Ponte]

I guess you are not white then. The only reason I even post about you is because you constantly follow me like a bitch. You have always trolled my posts. You know it very well. What I have learned about you is that you are not only a loser but you are not very intelligent either. I don't know if the lack of intelligence is making you rude or if your parents never taught you how to behave. But there are major charactor flaws with you.
Just because you are a "long time" poster doesn't mean anything. Black Dave is a long time poster. Take a look at your posts. They all bite off of someone elses thread. You can't even come up with threads of your own. You are the red neck peanut gallery. You just stand outside the liquor store and make comments about people going in and out. That is your miserable life. Beavis and Butthead. That is what you and Rounder are. And you think you are smart lol. If you two like to stroke each other that is not my business. But it is evident. Beavis and Butthead...OTTP and Rounder. Same thing.

Boiler plate ad hominem attacks. You just cut and paste and plug in names as necessary.

If you're not a filthy kike troll I'm not White. No White man talks about "stroking cocks" as much as you do and that seems to be foremost in your mind. Project much? No White man would attack long time posters in such a vile manner as you have done. Anyone that can't see beyond your facade is blind. Why you aren't banned is a mystery.

:jew:

[OTPTT]

Gabry Ponte: Potty Mouth Poser.

[Gabry Ponte]

Gabry Ponte: Potty Mouth Poser.

Ok little boy. Is your mommy not changing your diapers anymore? Is that way you are angry? Like I said before. You have the intellect of a 3rd grader. Mental Midget.

http://www.gablefamily.com/qrg_photo3yr/hiding_quin_mar06%20(2).JPG

[Steve B]

Put him in tard stocks I say.
That way the villagers can amuse themselves by pelting him with rotten veggies and poking him with sticks.

On a side note he kinda reminds me of sean(duck)martin another shrill but BOLD poster.

The bold font alone should qualify him for Sergeant at Arms of the vaunted Tard Corral.

[Thomas Ainsworth]

Why is this thread here?

[varg]

Probably because it's Alex's forum and he posted it here. Would be my first guess

[Thomas Ainsworth]

Varg, if you were a newcomer or someone curious, and you saw this thread, and read some of the later posts, what would be your impression?

[COTW]

Put him in tard stocks I say.
That way the villagers can amuse themselves by pelting him with rotten veggies and poking him with sticks.

On a side note he kinda reminds me of sean(duck)martin another shrill but BOLD poster.

More akin to Brad.

[Gabry Ponte]

Why is this thread here?

Because alex wants real solutions and less pussys handing out flyers. And the old ways of doing things don't work and never will. Until WN's are willing to adopt the tactics I spoke of this situation is going nowhere. Actually it is getting worse. Then you have punks that troll and waste everyones time. Try and make a serious thread and you will have people like otptp come on and ridicule. I can tell you that no serious operator would even bother with most of the people on this forum. Because most are wack jobs. Forums are limited anyways. What needs to be done can not be discussed online. And the people doing things have to be chosen carefully and tested with blood before given any membership.

[Gabry Ponte]

Varg, if you were a newcomer or someone curious, and you saw this thread, and read some of the later posts, what would be your impression?

If you are a newcomer and serious about accomplishing a real mission, one look at almost any thread on VNN would make you not return. You can only find real soldiers that are ready to spill blood in Europe. Russians, Magyar Garda, etc..etc..

[Thomas Ainsworth]

Gabry, the first post of this thread was not the issue, it's the incessant flame wars these Americans insist on having the minute one hair is split on their delicate heads. I'm all for tactics, tactics are what we need. A play yard pissing contest, no.

[Gabry Ponte]

[QUOTE=OTPTT;1061190]Let me be the first to thank you sticking with it and helping us all overcome our shortcomings. I hope we'll all be up to the task ahead. :rolleyes:

You can't resist being my troll. My personal troll. Wow. It;'s like having a government agent that lives to follow and document everything I do. Did you learn that from Rounder??

[Steve B]

If you are a newcomer and serious about accomplishing a real mission, one look at almost any thread on VNN would make you not return. You can only find real soldiers that are ready to spill blood in Europe. Russians, Magyar Garda, etc..etc..

I'm curious, what actual blood is being spilled by Europe and Russia? Is there a new skinhead infantry division that has been formed that I'm not aware of? It's called Gabry's Rangers, isn't it? And your standard is a gold embossed taxi meter, right?

[Gabry Ponte]

Gabry, the first post of this thread was not the issue, it's the incessant flame wars these Americans insist on having the minute one hair is split on their delicate heads. I'm all for tactics, tactics are what we need. A play yard pissing contest, no.

I know. It is absolutely retarded. It is impossible to have a real conversation. However if you don't reply back they just keep dishing out shit. And I can't take shit from anyone. Whenever I want to do any activism I always contact European members. I skip the idiots here. I can't trust threm first of all. There is a member here called rounder who actually sold his comrades out to the FBI. Then look at Hal Turner. Later on you read about former posters getting busted for raping boys or other seriously disgusting crimes. You don't have that in Europe. WN's are more serious there. They are ready to act. And will accept certain risks. Americans in most cases will not risk anything.

[Gabry Ponte]

I'm curious, what actual blood is being spilled by Europe and Russia? Is there a new skinhead infantry division that has been formed that I'm not aware of? It's called Gabry's Rangers, isn't it? And your standard is a gold embossed taxi meter, right?

Actually Moscow alone has about 85k skinheads. The whole country is pretty much racist. But you have never been there. So maybe you should keep your fucking trap shut for once. But that is too much for you and your kind.

[Gabry Ponte]

Film clip to the book I mentioned.

YouTube - Gomorrah Trailer 2008-9 [High Quality]

[McKinley]

I know. It is absolutely retarded. It is impossible to have a real conversation. However if you don't reply back they just keep dishing out shit. And I can't take shit from anyone. Whenever I want to do any activism I always contact European members. I skip the idiots here. I can't trust threm first of all. There is a member here called rounder who actually sold his comrades out to the FBI. Then look at Hal Turner. Later on you read about former posters getting busted for raping boys or other seriously disgusting crimes. You don't have that in Europe. WN's are more serious there. They are ready to act. And will accept certain risks. Americans in most cases will not risk anything.

What are you risking?

[Gabry Ponte]

What are you risking?


If you were the type of man that is an operator, then you would not have to ask that question in a public forum. But since you hand out flyers it is obvious you would never contemplate any meaningful action that could result in your death or imprisonment. And that is the only kind of tactics that will work. Infact I think people who pass out flyers should just stay home. Because they are worthless and useless.

[McKinley]

If you were the type of man that is an operator, then you would not have to ask that question in a public forum. But since you hand out flyers it is obvious you would never contemplate any meaningful action that could result in your death or imprisonment. And that is the only kind of tactics that will work. Infact I think people who pass out flyers should just stay home. Because they are worthless and useless.

In other words you're just another blow hard coward. The more you run off at the mouth the more you come off sounding like a Kike.

You have probaly never fought a Sitskin in your life and if by chance you have it was due to you knowing that you woulndn't get your ass kicked.

[Gabry Ponte]

Writing on a public forum about illegal activities is not very smart is it? You want me to put myself in danger to prove to you something?? I have been to jail because of my beliefs. I don't plan on making the same mistake. Letting your emotions guide you is stupid. White people need to use their brains. Niggers are the ones that go around commiting crimes and then bragging online.


You have probaly never fought a Sitskin in your life and if by chance you have it was due to you knowing that you woulndn't get your ass kicked.[/QUOTE]

[Gabry Ponte]

BTW fighting niggers is not a very good strategy. What have you gained??

Scrapping around in the streets with thugs is very amateur. The goal is to end their race. Not kick them and risk damage to yourself or legal action.

[Steve B]

BTW fighting niggers is not a very good strategy. What have you gained??

Scrapping around in the streets with thugs is very amateur. The goal is to end their race. Not kick them and risk damage to yourself or legal action.

But wait a minute, Gabry. In this post you said:

"If you are a newcomer and serious about accomplishing a real mission, one look at almost any thread on VNN would make you not return. You can only find real soldiers that are ready to spill blood in Europe. Russians, Magyar Garda, etc..etc.."
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1061187#post1061187


That sounds like fightin words to me. So according to you the Russians and Europeans are "real soldiers ready to spill blood" but Americans shouldn't scrap with niggers?

You have taken every position, argued every side and talked out your ass from the moment you appeared here. I'm calling fuckin kike on this one.

[Gabry Ponte]

But wait a minute, Gabry. In this post you said:

"If you are a newcomer and serious about accomplishing a real mission, one look at almost any thread on VNN would make you not return. You can only find real soldiers that are ready to spill blood in Europe. Russians, Magyar Garda, etc..etc.."
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1061187#post1061187


That sounds like fightin words to me. So according to you the Russians and Europeans are "real soldiers ready to spill blood" but Americans shouldn't scrap with niggers?

You have taken every position, argued every side and talked out your ass from the moment you appeared here. I'm calling fuckin kike on this one.


America has a different political situation. It is a country built on immigration. It does not have one racial make up. To be an American doesn't mean anything. A gypsy can be an American. Only a real German can be a German. A Turk might get citizenship but his ethnicity is still a Turk. So killing niggers on the street here doesn;t accomplish much. Why couldn't you figure out that by yourself? Why do I always have to sit down and hold your hand and all the other idiots hands all the time?

However..if you want to get convicted of a hate crime by beating niggers in the street then by all means go right ahead. You are not very smart are you.

[Gabry Ponte]

But wait a minute, Gabry. In this post you said:

"If you are a newcomer and serious about accomplishing a real mission, one look at almost any thread on VNN would make you not return. You can only find real soldiers that are ready to spill blood in Europe. Russians, Magyar Garda, etc..etc.."
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1061187#post1061187


That sounds like fightin words to me. So according to you the Russians and Europeans are "real soldiers ready to spill blood" but Americans shouldn't scrap with niggers?

You have taken every position, argued every side and talked out your ass from the moment you appeared here. I'm calling fuckin kike on this one.


I am not a kike and if you keep saying that your ass will be banned!

[Donnie in Ohio]

You can never add anything but silly comments. You and your butt buddy OTTPP have been stroking each others cocks so long you forgot how to make posts of your own. Why don't you and OTTPPEEPEE do something extraordinary...start your own threads. Wow. A new concept. But you don't have ideas of your own so you must continue to leach off others. Leaching off others is parasitic. A behavior that zions children often adopt. I type in bold because I know how much you and your butt patrol Rounder and OTPEPE love it. BTW, Rounder just said hail to the brown muzzies. You guys are starting to get sick from breathing all those fumes during your lawn mower races in Rounders yard. Wear a mask or something. You are losing the few brain cells god gave you.




Someone needs to stuff some Purina Ostrich-Identity Emu Chow in this idiot's pockets.

[Steve B]

I am not a kike and if you keep saying that your ass will be banned!

You're a kike
You're a kike
You're a kike
You're a kike
You're a kike
You're a kike
You're a kike

Ban me.

[McKinley]

If you were the type of man that is an operator, then you would not have to ask that question in a public forum. But since you hand out flyers it is obvious you would never contemplate any meaningful action that could result in your death or imprisonment. And that is the only kind of tactics that will work. Infact I think people who pass out flyers should just stay home. Because they are worthless and useless.

If flyering doesn't work then explain this Gaby.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=102197

I have a filling that you'll be banned way before Steve B.

[Alex Linder]

Perhaps I disagree with most of you. Sure, Ponte is a bit of a puffer, but I see some value in the stuff he's discussing. There is nothing wrong with discussing violence, as long as we do it legally. Steve B is banned for a week for calling Ponte a kike without evidence. Tony, stop trolling like a bitch.

Look...this forum is for strategy. If you have a way to win, lay it out. Start your own thread. Don't bitch and whine like little kids. If I see something that crosses the line, trust me to deal with it. I wouldn't have started this thread if I didn't think some of the ideas Ponte has put out should be discussed.

[MikeTodd]

Steve B is banned for a week for calling Ponte a kike without evidence. buh...buh...buh...but Steve B makes me laff.:confused:

[Alex Linder]

buh...buh...buh...but Steve B makes me laff.:confused:

Me too, but rules is rules. There's a reason we have a rule against calling people jews or feds without evidence, and I don't care if others think it's a bad rule, I think it's a good rule. We've kept the dolts away from this forum.

If you don't like someone, insult them, but don't lie about them, and don't troll their threads. If you have a better idea than they do, put it out there.

If we don't discuss violence, we play into the hands of those, already legion, who think there's a legal, safe way to win. These people are living in fantasyland. Discussing violence is not illegal.

[Gabry Ponte]

buh...buh...buh...but Steve B makes me laff.:confused:

Maybe the laughing needs to stop. Maybe the joking and idiotic behavior needs to stop. Maybe the ones who do nothing but seem to have wise ass comments should shut the fuck up. Infact those who seem to always have some red neck comment but never any fucking ideas should just stop posting. Because they have nothing good to say. They have nothing to give.

More then half of the posters on VNN have nothing useful to offer the forum. Being a fence sitter doesn't cut it anymore.

A constant war mentality must be the modus operandi if this struggle is to succeed.

The forum should be for people with ideas that can contribute and devise strategy without comments from idiots. The idiots derail almost every thread.

The ones with no brains tell the people with ideas that their ideas won't work. Says who?? Says the loser that can't come up with any idea of his own??

That kind of loser is a threat. They suck the energy right out of the process. There is a difference between saying something won;t work and why, and then saying try this instead, vs saying it won't work and then not giving a solution or alternative idea.

I don't know how many times some loser told me...oh that won't work...

Just look at these people. Look at who is telling you this. Look at their lives and what they have accomplished. Usually nothing. They want to keep you down on their level.

Ask any entrepreneur. They will all tell you don't listen to the ney sayers. If you are confident in your idea then do it. If it doesn't work then refine it. Keep trying until you get it right.

There was an interesting article about millionaires and the differences between millionaires and regular people. The millionaires never stopped trying. After failure upon failure they didn't stop until they won. The lemmings gave up after one or two tries. And then they complain about their lives and discourage anyone else from attempting to get ahead. They couldn't do it so they don't want you trying it. Because you might succeed and make them look like the losers they are.

[Gabry Ponte]

Being a pro-white red neck without anything to offer except simplistic commentary is not good enough anymore.

There must be an elite. And elite with radical ideas and guts to follow them through. An elite that is not afraid to die and understand the dangers involved but is still willing to continue.

Look at the muslims. Look at why they kick ass! It's because they have an elite at the top. The elite has radical ideas. They are not afraid to die. Bring it on. Once soldiers see leadership like that they follow. Soldiers must be willing to die. Or else they can't call themselves soldiers.

WN's need to be willing to die or else they can't call themselves WN's.

Fence sitters are not WN's. They are cowards. Cowards bring down any movement or bring it to a stop. This is the situation with WNism today. It has stopped. Being a fence sitting spitting out commentary has become all that WNism is about.

For WNism to continue and move upwards dramatic changes must take place.

A complete radicalization must occur. People must be told the realities and either choose to be part of the solution or go the fuck home.

This is a heroic movement to save a race. It is noble. It requires noble men to fight for it. There can be no middle ground.

Once the proper organizational procedures have been put in place people should be required to actually do something. Not just post. A forum should be used as a tool to bring people in and make them part of the struggle. Not give morons a platform to derail it. Those that are actually involved with operations won't be posting. They are doing things there is no need to talk about it. Less talk more action. That would be a novelty wouldn't it.


A group that had 1000 serious elite members that are intelligent dedicated and ready for anything can do alot. 50,000 loser posters will never be able to do anything.

[MikeTodd]

I'm all for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
The sooner the better cuz I ain't getting any younger but if a White man can't stand on his two hind legs, fists on hips, throw his head back and laugh out loud while pissing on the jooz and other hooman specimins well hell he might as well sell his balls for gefilte fish.
Like it sez in my sig line, "a good-natured indifference to the crass and the common".

[Gabry Ponte]

I'm all for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
The sooner the better cuz I ain't getting any younger but if a White man can't stand on his two hind legs, fists on hips, throw his head back and laugh out loud while pissing on the jooz and other hooman specimins well hell he might as well sell his balls for gefilte fish.
Like it sez in my sig line, "a good-natured indifference to the crass and the common".

Nobody said you can't have humor in your life. We are not robots. There are places for fun and games. This is not the place. A war room is not the place. If you were in Hitlers war room with all the generals and you started laughing or making jokes while everyone is focused on strategy and where to move units I am sure you would be demoted and thrown out of the room. If people think VNN is a joke and discussing the future of our race is funny then that IS a problem. Too many times this has derailed progress. And it is very rare when progress shows it's face.

But these are just my ideas. VNN has to decide on what the role of the forum is. What the goal of the forum is. Does it want to be a place where pro-whites, antis, and tards come to waste each others time? Or does it want to be a tool to recruit pro-white talented individuals? And after recruitment, action.

I don't see the benefit of having a website for all to come and chat. That is a waste of precious resources. I don't think you should pay to have a romper room for everyone's fun. The military is not a place of equality where everyone can speak there mind. Yet through order they can accomplish much. Only when there is order and direction can a group of WN's accomplish set tasks.

[Alex Linder]

A complete radicalization must occur. People must be told the realities and either choose to be part of the solution or go the fuck home.

This is a heroic movement to save a race. It is noble. It requires noble men to fight for it. There can be no middle ground.

Once the proper organizational procedures have been put in place people should be required to actually do something. Not just post. A forum should be used as a tool to bring people in and make them part of the struggle. Not give morons a platform to derail it. Those that are actually involved with operations won't be posting. They are doing things there is no need to talk about it. Less talk more action. That would be a novelty wouldn't it.

A group that had 1000 serious elite members that are intelligent dedicated and ready for anything can do alot. 50,000 loser posters will never be able to do anything.[/B]

I agree with most of this post. WN should think like entrepreneurs - people looking for an opening, people not easily dissuaded. I think what saps energy is the continual tying of our cause to conservatism and the making excuses for anti-White like Jared Taylor who do all they can to prevent whites from recognizing the enemy, let along fighting it. Then you've got those who fancy themselves the intellectual elite but never offer any leadership, just quibbling on the printed page.

There is a fundamental difference between those who think we need to worry about how we look to others, and need to appeal to jaded bourgeois, vs those who see ours as as noble quest entailing death-level risks.

[MikeTodd]

You need to loosen-up the headband on your coal-scuttle, GP. It's much too tight.:swastikasmiley:

[Gabry Ponte]

You need to loosen-up the headband on your coal-scuttle, GP. It's much too tight.:swastikasmiley:

I think that the WN movement has become too lax and weak. A strong hand is needed to beat them into shape and give clear direction. It must exfoliate itself from all the dead weight. A few high calibre members are better then a horde of lemmings. The horde will always derail you and waste your time as well as resources. It is better to be a clean efficient lean machine. The website should be used to recruit only the highest calibre membership. And afterwards those people must be tested and proven before given important tasks.

Training must take place abroad where law enforcement is weak and death is a daily reality. Dagestan/Chechnya/Gaza/Africa/Afghanistan or any region that is at war can be a great training ground. Soldiers coming back from tours with the military already have lived through this. Killing and fighting must be second nature. Taking a life should have no hesitation. Just an automatic instinct. Once members have lived through these experiences then they will be ready for operating in European countries.

[Gabry Ponte]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/heartlandusa/euro-fest-photo-identification-char.jpg

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Originally Posted by bmwbiker

How you can put this shit in public????

I was surfing two hours and i could not find simmilar pic...

Amigo..this is not good, not good at all...you cannot revile infos about people who work for WP...only if you are some fucking agent who hunting people here...

Bullshit..there is good honest people on SF, and Yes they have agents, but they arent all agents. If you canot swim in that mild/sweet scheme of SF you don't need to more expose people from SF.
I dont give a fuck why some one is behave like fucking agent, but this shit must stop...
Whole thread it looks like Mossad agent instalation to gain names and places in organisation of Stormfront..am I wrong about this?

In my country for that you would be "investigated", "interigated", and executed...we Croats are very sensitive on agent issue, becouse we exited from communistic Yugoslavia in bloody war and seek and destroy agents was one thing what was save many lifes.


Do not revile indetities from WN activist...it is simple thing... can you behave like man or crying girl.

You counted many reasons..OK..but that all is BS...behave like man and do not be revenge Jew.

Revenge is fundamental feeling of Jews and Muslims...please do not be like them.

I understand your views. But I disagree. And I will tell you why. There can only be one WN organization in the USA. Stormfront has become JewFront. It misleads and warps the minds of people that could become serious WN activists or soldiers. You are an idealistic man who wants to do everything in an open honest clean way. Unfortunately those tactics don';t work. We are dealing with scum that uses any and all tactics at its disposal. The jew is the master of deceit. StormFront has just become another jew invested propaganda tool. In order to combat such an enemy stronger more dynamic tactics must be taken.

It must be shut down. In order to lead you must accept responsibility and the results. You must be able to live with collateral damage. In war innocent are killed and sacrificed. If you can't send a man on a mission that you know he is going to die, but nevertheless it must be carried out, then you can't be a leader. So if you are not able to do what has to be done, then you must step aside and avoid criticism of such action. Once you begin to criticize and weaken moral for such missions you become a tool of the jew and a traitor.

You fail to remember the night of long knives in 1934. I will send you a link to refresh your memory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives



A purge took place in Nazi Germany within the party. A power struggle would rip the organization apart. So swift deadly action had to take place. Blood had to be spilled. Even fellow comrades had to fall in order for the survival of the party. And so it must happen again. All other WN organizations must submit or be shut down by any means necessary. There can be just one voice. One leader. One organization. Toleration of any upstarts will only weaken the struggle.

Stormfronters must join a new group or keep silent. Don Black has had his chance and failed. They must step aside. And if they don't then a new organization will have to crush them. Crush them all. Exactly like 1934, blood and death. If memebers still want to cling then they will be threatend with outting. ISP's can be tracked, names can be posted. After sometime nobody will post on SF or other organizations. Most of the "leaders" will fall down fast when shown the alternative. Soldiers can stop by and unpleasant visits can be made. It is better to live then to push up daisys.

I am not condoning or suggesting any acts of violence, or illegal activities. This is just fiction about a fictional power struggle between groups of people.

[Thomas Ainsworth]

Hahahaha, in the Kwa! Unbelievable.

[Kyrik]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/heartlandusa/euro-fest-photo-identification-char.jpg

You counted many reasons..OK..but that all is BS...behave like man and do not be revenge Jew.

I understand your views. But I disagree. And I will tell you why. There can only be one WN organization in the USA. Stormfront has become JewFront. It misleads and warps the minds of people that could become serious WN activists or soldiers. You are an idealistic man who wants to do everything in an open honest clean way. Unfortunately those tactics don';t work. We are dealing with scum that uses any and all tactics at its disposal. The jew is the master of deceit. StormFront has just become another jew invested propaganda tool. In order to combat such an enemy stronger more dynamic tactics must be taken.

It must be shut down. In order to lead you must accept responsibility and the results. You must be able to live with collateral damage. In war innocent are killed and sacrificed. If you can't send a man on a mission that you know he is going to die, but nevertheless it must be carried out, then you can't be a leader. So if you are not able to do what has to be done, then you must step aside and avoid criticism of such action. Once you begin to criticize and weaken moral for such missions you become a tool of the jew and a traitor.

You fail to remember the night of long knives in 1934. I will send you a link to refresh your memory.

Stormfronters must join a new group or keep silent. Don Black has had his chance and failed. They must step aside. And if they don't then a new organization will have to crush them. Crush them all. Exactly like 1934, blood and death. If memebers still want to cling then they will be threatend with outting. ISP's can be tracked, names can be posted. After sometime nobody will post on SF or other organizations. Most of the "leaders" will fall down fast when shown the alternative. Soldiers can stop by and unpleasant visits can be made. It is better to live then to push up daisys.


I am not condoning or suggesting any acts of violence, or illegal activities. This is just fiction about a fictional power struggle between groups of people.

What is with this attack on Stormfront? Yes, I truly want Alex's baby, VNN, to prosper. But why does SF have to be demeaned for that to happen? Listen to yourself, this could very well just be the rant rote used to play 'kissy up' to Alex. I feel he is too strong of an individual to grant you favors just because you say there should only be one WN website. There is plenty of room for two.

VNN is prospering a bit, I see more people posting here. If I could suggest anything it would be to create a sustaining membership so Alex could be helped out on his bills. After all, he supports all of this. This should not drain him. He should at least be able to pay himself.

God, you actually chill me to the bone, Gabry, not the chill one would get from a hardened individual, I am one of those, I am a warrior who's seen plenty of action. But the chill one gets when one is in the presence of a true pussy. When you advocate death and violence on Stormfronters, outing them, etc.. you hide behind a monitor when doing so. You who advocate death and violencia on fellow WNs, who have comitted only the crime of being on SF, are actually doing the job of the Jew (I did not say you are a Jew). When people follow you, then the movement begins to eat it's own young. Why do you not use your so-called night of the long knives on the true enemy of the Volk (Jews)? Nope, that would be too hard, you'd rather turn on White people, trusting White People.

I do not have a problem with the passion and virulence here on VNN. Not at all, it is a good and more extreme alternative to SF, for those who want that. SF gets misunderstood, there is quite a lot of meetups going on offline. But Ponte's post is why these kinds of posts are so..censored on SF. Because it so often steps over the line, and into cow patties. Here is a guy, just praised by everyone, and the best he can offer is, "Death to Stormfronters!". How about what to do about (fill in the blank with Jews, Muds, etc..). Nope, you'd rather turn on your own people. Maybe that's the kind of guy you are Gabry, a pot shooter, a cheap shotter. Maybe you were..drunk..perhaps (wishful thinking)?

[Gabry Ponte]

Hello Kyrik,
I stated before that allowing more then one party or organization makes them all weak. How many splinter groups and egos are there in American WN? Too many. They make each other weak. They spread precious resources too thin. There is not enough money or people to have two competing organizations. They would waste resources competing with each other instead of the jew.

There can only be one organization. Everyone must put all their time, energy, money behind one organization. The juden and muds are strong. One reason that this situation is going from bad to worse is having too many groups experimenting with weak tactics that don't work. Then the major problem is poor leadership. Don Black is a fuck up. The NS people wearing uniforms marching around are fuck ups. They turn regualar activists into fuck ups.

The sustaining membership is a fine idea. So far SF'ers have been throwing their money down the toilet though. If a real org is to emerge then it must first shut down all competition. Then it must pool together the best this country has to offer. And with all those people and energy it must push on to more advanced tactics. If a splinter group tries to siphon off members then it must be declared an enemy and dealt with immediately with deadly action.

I view all competing organizations as thieves. They are stealing members and resources. They are sucking the blood of the only hope whites have in North America. And that can't be allowed to happen. Members belonging to other organizations should be informed and told of the impending action and why it must happen. They can decide to join the team or go against the organization. If they choose to work against the org then they should be classified as enemies and dealt with as such.

I think it will be very easy. Most WN are pussies and key board commandos. The intelligent WN will agree with the tactics described. Actually they will be impressed with an org that is so aggressive and takes action that they will want to sign up right away. The die hard idiots can be listed and dealt with one by one in order. But for most people SF is just a website. Not an org. So once it is taken offline and shut down there won;t be anymore SF group.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of me. I just say what needs to be done. The truth is the truth. And it speaks for itself. I think everything I say is self evident.





What is with this attack on Stormfront? Yes, I truly want Alex's baby, VNN, to prosper. But why does SF have to be demeaned for that to happen? Listen to yourself, this could very well just be the rant rote used to play 'kissy up' to Alex. I feel he is too strong of an individual to grant you favors just because you say there should only be one WN website. There is plenty of room for two.

VNN is prospering a bit, I see more people posting here. If I could suggest anything it would be to create a sustaining membership so Alex could be helped out on his bills. After all, he supports all of this. This should not drain him. He should at least be able to pay himself.

God, you actually chill me to the bone, Gabry, not the chill one would get from a hardened individual, I am one of those, I am a warrior who's seen plenty of action. But the chill one gets when one is in the presence of a true pussy. When you advocate death and violence on Stormfronters, outing them, etc.. you hide behind a monitor when doing so. You who advocate death and violencia on fellow WNs, who have comitted only the crime of being on SF, are actually doing the job of the Jew (I did not say you are a Jew). When people follow you, then the movement begins to eat it's own young. Why do you not use your so-called night of the long knives on the true enemy of the Volk (Jews)? Nope, that would be too hard, you'd rather turn on White people, trusting White People.

I do not have a problem with the passion and virulence here on VNN. Not at all, it is a good and more extreme alternative to SF, for those who want that. SF gets misunderstood, there is quite a lot of meetups going on offline. But Ponte's post is why these kinds of posts are so..censored on SF. Because it so often steps over the line, and into cow patties. Here is a guy, just praised by everyone, and the best he can offer is, "Death to Stormfronters!". How about what to do about (fill in the blank with Jews, Muds, etc..). Nope, you'd rather turn on your own people. Maybe that's the kind of guy you are Gabry, a pot shooter, a cheap shotter. Maybe you were..drunk..perhaps (wishful thinking)?

[Alex Linder]

Hello Kyrik,
I stated before that allowing more then one party or organization makes them all weak. How many splinter groups and egos are there in American WN? Too many. They make each other weak. They spread precious resources too thin. There is not enough money or people to have two competing organizations. They would waste resources competing with each other instead of the jew.

There can only be one organization. Everyone must put all their time, energy, money behind one organization. The juden and muds are strong. One reason that this situation is going from bad to worse is having too many groups experimenting with weak tactics that don't work. Then the major problem is poor leadership. Don Black is a fuck up. The NS people wearing uniforms marching around are fuck ups. They turn regualar activists into fuck ups.

The sustaining membership is a fine idea. So far SF'ers have been throwing their money down the toilet though. If a real org is to emerge then it must first shut down all competition. Then it must pool together the best this country has to offer. And with all those people and energy it must push on to more advanced tactics. If a splinter group tries to siphon off members then it must be declared an enemy and dealt with immediately with deadly action.

I view all competing organizations as thieves. They are stealing members and resources. They are sucking the blood of the only hope whites have in North America. And that can't be allowed to happen. Members belonging to other organizations should be informed and told of the impending action and why it must happen. They can decide to join the team or go against the organization. If they choose to work against the org then they should be classified as enemies and dealt with as such.

I think it will be very easy. Most WN are pussies and key board commandos. The intelligent WN will agree with the tactics described. Actually they will be impressed with an org that is so aggressive and takes action that they will want to sign up right away. The die hard idiots can be listed and dealt with one by one in order. But for most people SF is just a website. Not an org. So once it is taken offline and shut down there won;t be anymore SF group.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of me. I just say what needs to be done. The truth is the truth. And it speaks for itself. I think everything I say is self evident.

A web forum and an organization are not the same thing. Stormfront is organized to take in money, beyond that, I don't see that it really does anything, although I pay it little attention.

There really isn't any WN organization in America except maybe NSM, at this point. The rest is online, and, the PhD-level brains seem to have an inevitable tropism toward conservatism and respectability, as always, because that's where the money lies. A real WN organization is possible at this point, I believe, and I have outlined how it would work. If and when I recover enough health, I might start a real one. I won't hold my breath waiting for others, and I've told them enough what they're doing wrong so that more is just female-style bitching.

Believe me, if there were one real organization, people would get in line. The problem is no one wants to lead. The brains have no balls, and the balls have no brains, so the cause is hamstrung in the real world, altho it's doing better than ever in the virtual world.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Believe me, if there were one real organization, people would get in line. The problem is no one wants to lead. The brains have no balls, and the balls have no brains, so the cause is hamstrung in the real world, altho it's doing better than ever in the virtual world.



It's not that no one wants to lead, I can name you a dozen people/orgs that think they are doing just that.

It is easy to lead the feeble-minded & pot-bellied.

I (and I assume others who have anything to lose) won't be lead (anymore) by failures.

[Gabry Ponte]

Money talks. It demands respect. IMO once you have some capital you can then think about having a real org. Because it must be able to take action and last. Not get shut down easy by ZOG. Having money allows you a certain amount of protection. You can hire security people and have measures in place. You can also afford to put on top quality propaganda to recruit and educate.

You also must be realistic. I don't believe there is a future for the USA. As a white nation it will be impossible. I think the multi culti experiement failed. It is already in decline. It is only natural. For me personally the fight is in Europe. Americans really are not worth saving. The few good ones I would recommend going back to Europe. But not in my lifetime. Unless things get really bad. It is going to decline and become like South Afrika and Brasil. Whites in small wealthy communities guarded from muds. But whites really won't have much influence anymore. They will be outnumbered and out voted.
So in my thinking it doesn't make sense to live in a place where you can't get political representation. That is why I set my plans for Europe.

I wouldn't put money or time into a US org. Because of the facts I stated before. It would be a waste if there is no win possible.

[Kyrik]

A web forum and an organization are not the same thing. Stormfront is organized to take in money, beyond that, I don't see that it really does anything, although I pay it little attention.

There really isn't any WN organization in America except maybe NSM, at this point. The rest is online, and, the PhD-level brains seem to have an inevitable tropism toward conservatism and respectability, as always, because that's where the money lies. A real WN organization is possible at this point, I believe, and I have outlined how it would work. If and when I recover enough health, I might start a real one. I won't hold my breath waiting for others, and I've told them enough what they're doing wrong so that more is just female-style bitching.

Believe me, if there were one real organization, people would get in line. The problem is no one wants to lead. The brains have no balls, and the balls have no brains, so the cause is hamstrung in the real world, altho it's doing better than ever in the virtual world.

Point taken, Alex. I appreciate your input on this. I didn't know you were ailing, and hope you recover quickly and soon. A lot of us are waiting for someone like you to lead. I understand where you're coming from more now.

I keep waiting for the leadership to develop, and preaching for everyone to be their own leader, develop their skills, hoping that some will develop into one. At this point, I hate to say it, we WNs will be following the mob into revolt, rather than the other way around.

Despite our internet sucess, our gains could be washed away like the snow in the rain if the Republicrats get back Congress next year. This would give the Sheeple and Tools false hope. There is nothing between the Sovietization of America and the Reds, except us WNs. The Republicrats are only momentary speedbumps in the roadway for the Reds. What's at stake: The Freedom of the White Race, nothing less. If we don't win this thing, we will see an utterly dark age descend. Yes, I believe the Republicrats are shifting rightward, but it would never be enough for them to win.

The truth of everything is that it is race against race, The Jews and their minority allies want everything we have, and for us to die. If the Jews win this, let the world burn, let the world burn.

[Thomas Ainsworth]

YouTube - Hanzel und Gretyl - Let The Planets Burn

[Gabry Ponte]

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/Assets/Imgs/Geografia/Italia/Agguato_Mariano_Bacio_Terracino_web--200x150.jpg

Naples, 29 October (AKI) - Prosecutors in the southern Italian city of Naples have made public a shocking CCTV video of a mafia execution. In the video, the killer is seen shooting a man twice in the head outside a bar, smiling and making a cuckold sign with his hand before walking off. Prosecutors have allowed Italian media to post the video the Internet in the hope that witnesses will come forward to identify the killer and his accomplices.

Dressed in jeans and a baseball cap, the killer arrives at the 'Virgins' bar in the Naples district and mafia stronghold of Sanita after an accomplice, loitering outside, gives him the all-clear.

The killer first walks into the bar, casually holding a pistol in his hand, then turns around and walks out. As he leaves the bar he shoots the victim, named as 53-year-old, Mariano Bacioterracino, in the head.

Bacioterracino, who had previous criminal convictions, falls to the ground and the killer shoots him again in the back of the head. As he does so, he makes the cuckold sign with his free hand, possibly to another accomplice inside the bar, before walking briskly away.

In the video, a man selling cigarettes outside the bar can be seen quickly moving on with his merchandise after the killing, while a female passer-by steps over Bacioterracino's corpse before turning back and bending over him to take a closer look.

Terracino served 10 years in jail for his involvement in the 1977 kidnapping of Guido De Martino, who later became an MP for the former Italian Communist party.

He was also tried as suspect in the killing of Naples mafia member Gennaro Moccia, but was acquitted.

[Marvin Nash]

The mafia deals in heroin trafficking and sex slavery. Should we follow suit?

So some greaseball iced another greaseball. Has nothing to do with jews, but I suppose its more material for your nazi assassin fantasy camp.

You've achieved the rank of super retard with your idiotic ideas.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9269/superretardt.jpg

[Marvin Nash]

Gabry Ponte Harelipped Hungarian - White Revolution

including female mudsharks who want to fuck disco niggers

RAHOWA!!

YouTube - Gabry Ponte - Time To Rock

[Marvin Nash]

Gabry Ponte Harelipped Hungarian - White Revolution

featuring nigger pedo Michael Jackson

RAHOWA!!

YouTube - Tribute to Michael Jackson by Gabry Ponte & Paki

[Gabry Ponte]

The mafia deals in heroin trafficking and sex slavery. Should we follow suit?

So some greaseball iced another greaseball. Has nothing to do with jews, but I suppose its more material for your nazi assassin fantasy camp.

You've achieved the rank of super retard with your idiotic ideas.



Your failure to see the reason I posted this is exactly why tards like you should not be allowed into an organization. Infact tards like you should be brought around to the back of the building and thrown into a wood chipper. Never heard from again. You are weak. If you don;'t have the stomach for eliminating nonwhites then you are not a real WN. Internet fucker.

[Gabry Ponte]

Gabry Ponte Harelipped Hungarian - White Revolution

including female mudsharks who want to fuck disco niggers

RAHOWA!!

RAHOWA??? You are 12 years old..how can you possibly be ready for a racial holy war. You are afraid to beat a jew in your own damn neighborhood. You are a disgrace, a coward and a liar. Don't talk to me of RAHOWA when you are too chicken shit to pick up a gun and use it..