Hague Inquisition- Karadzic 'trial'

[Serbian]

Karadzic trial told of plan to wipe out Bosnia's Muslims

IAN TRAYNOR in The Hague


RADOVAN KARADZIC threatened months before the start of the Bosnian war that 300,000 Muslims would die while the forces under his command turned Sarajevo into a “black cauldron”.

He told colleagues Bosnia’s Muslims would “disappear from the face of the Earth” and said he had up to 400,000 Serbs under arms awaiting his orders and 20,000 men ready to besiege Sarajevo.

The Yugoslav war crimes tribunal in The Hague yesterday was told of the former Bosnian Serb leader’s threats as he went on trial for genocide and war crimes 14 years after the end of the conflict.

For a second day running, the accused shunned the proceedings on the grounds that he was not yet fit to conduct his own defence. The presiding judge, O-Gon Kwon of South Korea, ordered the case to proceed despite the boycott.

US lawyer Alan Tieger, leading the prosecution, delivered several hours of graphic evidence against Mr Karadzic, including transcripts of phone intercepts in which he threatened the Muslim community with extermination should Bosnia declare independence from Yugoslavia. “There are 300,000 to 400,000 armed Serbs in Bosnia-Herzegovina . . . It will be a real bloodbath,” Mr Karadzic predicted.

The threats came as the war between Serbs and Croats raged in Croatia in autumn 1991, well before the outbreak of war in Bosnia in April 1992.

Mr Tieger painted a picture of a “supreme commander”, Mr Karadzic, who enjoyed total control of Bosnian Serb politics, parliament, police, paramilitary forces and the army during the 44-month war.

He sought to portray Mr Karadzic as a cold-blooded monster who systematically and methodically planned the war well in advance and conducted it to the letter.

At the end of the war, in summer 1995, the accused boasted he had ordered the murder of more than 7,000 Muslim males at Srebrenica, Mr Tieger said.

Mr Karadzic told a closed session of the Bosnian Serb parliament a few weeks after the massacre that he had signed “directive number seven” authorising it, the court was told.

“I was in favour of all decisions made and I support them. The time had come,” Mr Karadzic told the assembly, according to Mr Tieger.

The presentation of the prosecution case came amid a test of strength between the judges and Mr Karadzic. Although he spurns defence lawyers, Mr Karadzic has a team of 40 legal experts and lawyers assisting him behind the scenes and has filed about 400 motions on various issues to the court since being detained.

Judge O-Gon said Mr Karadzic (64) was entitled to defend himself but this right was “not absolute” and he may have forfeited it by his boycott. The judge added that he might impose defence lawyers next week if the non-appearances persisted.

The trial is arguably the most important of the tribunal’s 15-year existence and could be its swansong. Mr Karadzic faces 11 charges of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity for the Srebrenica massacre, the siege of Sarajevo, the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of non-Serbs and the seizure of more than 200 UN peacekeepers as hostages.

The aim of Mr Karadzic’s campaign, said Mr Tieger, was “to carve out a mono-ethnic state from a multi-ethnic country”.

The prosecutor cited a UN report from 1992 noting that, in Mr Karadzic’s strategy, “ethnic cleansing does not appear to be the consequence of the war, rather its goal”. – (Guardian service)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/1028/1224257554502.html

[Serbian]

The lies and slander against not only Karadzic but the RS and Serbs in general which are going to come out during this staged ZOG farce will be so hysterical and disgusting that any intelligent person will find it hard to believe.
Of course the aim of this political show is to pass a guilty verdict on the entire Serbian nation and let the real war criminals of the hook, that being nato and the bosnian muslims. This trial is also designed to discredit the Bosnian Serb Republic and to put pressure on it to dissolve because after all if the west says that it is built on genocide than it has no right to exist.

[Serbian]

Bosnia: Karadzic asks UN tribunal for more time

The Hague, 3 Nov. (AKI) - Wartime Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic, accused of genocide and war crimes, appeared before the United Nations war crimes tribunal (ICTY) on Tuesday breaking a boycott he had imposed on the court last week, and asked the court for more time in order to prepare his defence. However, it was not clear how the trial would proceed.

Karadzic boycotted the court sessions last week and the prosecutors' introductory statements, saying he needed 10 more months to prepare his defence. He has asked for the trial to be postponed until May or June of 2010, but the appeals panel turned down his request.

"I, in no way intend to boycott this process, which is very important and the last chance to reach the truth," Karadzic told the court on Tuesday.

"But I can't participate in something that has been wrong from the start because of violation of my fundamental rights to prepare my defence," he added.

The presiding judge, O-gon Kwon, said it was "up to the trial chamber, not an individual" to decide when the case was ready for trial.

Karadzic, who was arrested in the Serbian capital Belgrade in July last year, after 13 years in hiding, said it was impossible to read 1.3 million pages of prosecution documents and some 700,000 of his own in such a short time.

The prosecutor, Hildegard Uertz-Retzlaff, demanded that the trial should proceed with, or without Karadzic present and that he be appointed an official defence lawyer.

He added any extra delays accrued would be a "reasonable price" to pay to end Karadzic's obstruction of the trial.

Karadzic is defending himself, but has a team of legal experts assisting him.

Karadzic has been charged on two counts of genocide and nine counts of crimes against humanity committed by the Bosnian Serb forces during the 1992-1995 civil war, including a massacre of up to 8,000 Muslims in the eastern town of Srebrenica in July 1995.

He has threatened to go on a hunger strike if he was denied the right to defend himself, arguing that the appointed lawyer would need even more time to prepare himself for the trial.

O-gon Kwon said the court would consider all possibilities and decide "by the end of the week" on how to proceed with the trial

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Politics/?id=3.0.3946955306

[Serbian]

Kikes will not let Karadzic defend himself T.J.B.

Karadžić trial to resume in March
5 November 2009 | 16:12 | Source: Tanjug

THE HAGUE -- The trial of Radovan Karadžić will continue in March 2010, it was announced by the Hague Tribunal today.

The court has also decided to appoint a defense attorney to represent the former political leader of Bosnia's Serbs.

Karadžić, who has been indicted for war crimes and genocide, appeared only in one status conference since the start of the trial

[bmwbiker]

Kikes will not let Karadzic defend himself T.J.B.
Karadjic is trying to discredit Judges and whole Tribunal...that was also Milosevic tactics...
Milosevic was one special man, but Karadjic is total idiot..

After war Karadjic was hiding from Tribunal...and he masked into "shaman healer" !!!!

He took new name: Dr. Dabic!!! and started to practice alternative medicine!!!

http://www.tportal.hr/ResourceManager/GetImage.aspx?imgId=5293&fmtId=20
Two guys - one schizo
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00039/karadzic3_39896t.jpg
shaman from Balkan
http://www.zadarskilist.hr/media/base/mladic_karadzic_apr_190303a.jpg
pic from war...he was "crazy little" then

Karadjic was politican..he never had any true power with military, becuse main boss was Mladić and Milosevic, Karadjic was only idiot instaled by Milosevic to obay orders from Belgrade...

[John Balmont]

Crazy ?

The man is university educated. He is a psychologist educated in Sarajevo, Denmark and USA. He is much smarter than Milosevic.

If you have ever watched an interview with him before 1995, you would know what I am talking about. He could debunk any loaded question by analyzing it first, structure of the question and intentions of the person asking it, and then answering it. It drove the Western media interviewers crazy because they couldn't get away with their cheap shit tricks.

Just because he masked himself as an alternative medicine practitioner, and you disagree with this, does not make him crazy. Look who got arrested first and who managed to hide from authorities for over 10 years.

Radovan Karadzic is a highly intelligent man. I would not underestimate him for a second.

[fyc]

this is just another show trial with the verdict already assured.

all he did was defend his people. the muslims shouldnt even be in europe.

[Serbian]

[QUOTE]Karadjic is trying to discredit Judges and whole Tribunal...that was also Milosevic tactics...

He should discredit it and point out the way in which it was set up by NATO. The Tribunal isnt a legitimate institution, its a tool of war.



Karadjic was politican..he never had any true power with military, becuse main boss was Mladić and Milosevic, Karadjic was only idiot instaled by Milosevic to obay orders from Belgrade...

Karadzic was democratically elected and had the full support of the Bosnian Serb people. If his job as you claim was to simply obey orders from Belgrade then he wasn't doing a very good job as Milosevic was furious with him for not obeying him and refusing to commit national suicide in the face of international pressure. Karadzic did not take orders from Milosevic and even Milosevic's leftist wife Mira Markovic was angry at Karadzic for being 'too nationalistic' and not willing to back down in the face of muslim and ZOG aggression.

[Serbian]

Resurrecting the Caliphate

Bosnia and Ottoman Dreams

by Nebojsa Malic, November 09, 2009


The "trial" of the former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic began last week before the Hague Inquisition. Karadzic himself boycotted the proceedings, arguing that he had no time to prepare a defense (the indictment was finalized October 19, though the ICTY had 14 years to do it). The Inquisition’s response — imposing counsel on him and adjourning till March 2010 — was not a surprise. Karadzic has already been convicted by the Western media, but a show trial has certain rules it must follow, even if the Inquisition gets to write its own. With the Inquisition already beginning to misrepresent what dubious evidence it has offered, the railroading of Radovan Karadzic looks set to proceed apace come spring.

At that time, if he is allowed, he may resort to quoting a most unlikely defender: Turkey’s foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

A Neo-Ottoman Minister

A scholar who has influenced Turkish foreign policy since 2002, and became the country’s chief diplomat in May this year, Davutoglu has pursued what his critics have labeled a "neo-Ottoman" foreign policy. He speaks of "historical depth" of Ankara’s relationship with the Balkans, the Caucasus and the Middle East, and argues that conflicts in these areas originate in their separation from the Ottoman Empire.

In mid-October, immediately after a trip to Iraq, Davutoglu flew to Bosnia, where he opened a conference titled "The Ottoman Legacy and the Balkans Muslim Communities Today." His opening remarks, quoted extensively in the Sarajevo weekly BH Dani on October 23, went virtually unnoticed in the West. However, as Davutoglu also met with Serbia’s foreign minister, Vuk Jeremic, a Serbian magazine for political analysis dug up the article from Dani and published it on their website. Davutoglu’s speech ought to be alarming not just to the Serbian public and the West, but to all Turks committed to preservation of Kemal Ataturk’s vision of a secular state — if any remain.

The "Golden Age"

On October 11, Davutoglu had met with the U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton and his Armenian counterpart in Zurich, Switzerland, and signed a protocol to restore bilateral ties. By his own admission in Sarajevo, though, he spent more time with Clinton talking about the "Bosnian issue" than about Armenia.

To the surprise of some Western diplomats at his "drop-in," he retorted, "We didn’t drop in, we came to Bosnia on horseback."

At the conference in Sarajevo, Davutoglu explained his view of the Balkans. The region is a geopolitical "buffer zone," and a crossroads of economic and cultural interaction between Europe and Asia, Baltics and the Mediterranean. Such a region, he argued, "has two possible destinies in history. One is to be the center of world history, and the other to be a victim of global conflict…"

And what an amazing coincidence, it was precisely during the Ottoman Empire’s peak that the Balkans was "at the center of world politics." The 16th century, he argued, was the "golden age of the Balkans. This is a historical fact."

Why, without the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed-Pasha Sokolovic would have been a peasant instead of a Grand Vizier, and Kavalali Mehmet Ali-Pasha would have stayed in his native Albania instead of establishing modern-day Egypt!

He didn’t bother with trifling details, such as that Sokolovic was seized by force from his family as a child and turned into a Janissary, or that Ali-Pasha established Egypt by rebelling against the Ottomans. But with this "golden age" as his point of departure, Davutoglu’s conclusion sounds perfectly logical:

"Now is the time for reunification. Then we will rediscover the spirit of the Balkans. We need to create a new feeling of unity in the region. We need to strengthen regional ownership, a common regional conscience… It all depends on which part of history you look to. From the 15th to the 20th century, the history of the Balkans was a history of success. We can have this success again."

And again, later in the speech:

"The Ottoman era in the Balkans is a success story. Now it needs to come back."

Davutoglu doesn’t specify as to how. But when he talks about "reintegrating" the Balkans, the Caucasus and the Middle East, and how Turkey is a "safe haven and homeland" for Bosnian, Chechens and Albanians, it isn’t hard to fill in the blanks. What Ahmet Davutoglu wants is to resurrect the empire of Mehmet el-Fatih and Suleiman the Magnificent.

The Dark Age

What Davutoglu and his Muslim audience saw as the "golden age" was the Dark Age for everyone else. Vlad the Impaler isn’t a national hero in Romania because he cruelly dispatched his enemies, but because those enemies were mostly Turks. The Ottomans destroyed the Byzantine Empire, which had carried on in the East for a thousand years after the fall of Rome itself. They obliterated the medieval kingdom of Bosnia, depopulated vast swathes of present-day Croatia and Hungary, nearly exterminated the Serbs from Kosovo… Ask the Croats, Hungarians, Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians, Armenians or Greeks what they think of the Ottoman "golden age" and their answer will probably be too vulgar to print.

Yes, Mehmed-Pasha Sokolovic rose to prominence in the Ottoman hierarchy, and he wasn’t the first or the last Janissary to do so. But he also remembered his roots — something the Janissaries were emphatically not supposed to do. The legacy of this is the legendary Bridge on the Drina, and the restored Patriarchate of the Serbian Orthodox Church (to which he appointed his brother, Makarije). A far more typical Janissary, and another Grand Vizier, was serasker Hurshid Ahmed-Pasha, the general who built a tower of Serbian skulls after a battle in 1809.

Rejecting Ataturk?

Davutoglu’s Ottoman nostalgia isn’t simply another dream of greatness most politicians are prone to at times, but stands in direct opposition to the Kemalist ideology that is the foundation of modern Turkey.

Kept artificially alive by the European powers throughout the 1800s, the Ottoman Empire finally collapsed following its defeat in the Great War. It was Mustafa Kemal, a German-trained Army officer, who organized resistance to the British and French plans to partition the Empire’s heartland. Under his command, the Turks emerged victorious out of a conflict with Britain, France and Greece (resulting in the destruction of Greek communities in Asia Minor that had existed since antiquity), and established the Turkish Republic in 1923.

The Republic has rested on six pillars of Kemalist ideology ever since: republicanism, secularism, populism, revolutionism, nationalism and statism. Nationalism, for example, explains Ankara’s view that everyone who speaks Turkish is a Turk, and there is no such thing as a Kurd. Hardly a foundation for "multiculturalism," is it?

Kemalism has been enforced by the Turkish Army, which has often threatened a coup and made good on the threat several times. However, Turkey is now ruled by the AKP, a party that in 2008 almost got banned for its "anti-secularist" (meaning, Islamic) leanings. Party chairman Recep Erdogan is currently the Prime Minister, and Davutoglu’s former boss Abdullah Gul is the President of Turkey.

Echoes of Izetbegovic

Davutoglu’s claim that under the Ottomans the Balkans used to be the "center of the world" while now it is but a victim of power politics sounds eerily like the argument of Bosnian Muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic, who in his 1971 manifesto, "The Islamic Declaration," wrote this:

"Turkey as an Islamic country used to rule the world. Turkey as an imitation of Europe represents a third-rate country."

One very important distinction here is that the Ottoman Empire was not "Turkey," but an Islamic Caliphate. One cannot talk about some sort of Ottoman resurrection without dealing with the Islamic aspect of the Empire. Davutoglu doesn’t address this directly, but merely talks about a shared "cultural heritage" and "multicultural coexistence."

Then again, so did Izetbegovic. For years, he had the West believe that he was a multi-cultural democrat, rather than an advocate of establishing a Caliphate "from Morocco to Malaysia." After his death in 2003, several men have competed for the political leadership of the Bosnian Muslims, but the religious leadership has remained in the hands of Mustafa Ceric, Izetbegovic’s Grand Mufti. Ceric openly talks about how "Turkey is our mother" and "Mehmet el-Fatih is our father."

So, when Ahmet Davutoglu speaks in Sarajevo about how he feels at home, how Sarajevo is "ours" (Turkish) and "Turkey is yours," and how Turkey’s vital interest is ensuring "your [i.e. Muslim] ownership of Sarajevo and Bosnia," it isn’t hard to reach the same conclusion as Radovan Karadzic did in 1992: something is seriously wrong with a picture of the country that has no room for over half of its (Christian) population.

Karadzic acted on this realization by mobilizing the Bosnian Serbs for war, and opposing the creation of the Muslim-dominated Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina by the force of arms. Now countries that have engaged in naked aggression themselves have dubbed this "aggression" and "genocide" and put Karadzic on trial at a "court" they illegally established and control.

Davutoglu, meanwhile, goes about the business of resurrecting the Caliphate

http://original.antiwar.com/malic/2009/11/08/resurrecting-the-caliphate/

[bmwbiker]

Radovan Karadžić i dalje tvrdi da je postojao sporazum između njega i američkog diplomata Richarda Holbrookea, koji mu je u ime Sjedinjenih Država dao amnestiju od progona Haaškog tribunala u zamjenu za povlačenje iz politike.

Karadžić vjeruje da bi Holbrooke poštovao dogovor ''da je mogao'', ali dodaje da ''nije lijepo' što to ne želi priznati. Ističe kako je Holbrooke bio ''pragmatičan, uporan i nasilan, ali je bio svjestan prave prirode konflikta''. Bio je potpuno svjestan da mi nismo 'ratni zločinci', inače, ne bi ni pregovarao sa nama, tvrdi Karadžić.
Koji su to US/UK varalice..dogovor na bilo koji način...je li taj Holbroke možda neki Židovčić?

- Kad je to postalo nesporno, postavilo se pitanje da li je ambasador Holbrooke imao ovlaštenje da sklopi sporazum, a kad smo dokazali da je djelovao sa ovlaštenjima cijele međunarodne zajednice, ali stvarne, a ne fiktivne, u bliskoj saradnji sa Vijećem sigurnosti UN, onda je razlog odbijanja bio izostanak rezolucije Vijeća sigurnosti UN o tome. Pa, nisam ja mogao da iniciram rezoluciju. To je Holbrookeov dio posla, mada nije jasno zašto bi bila potrebna rezolucija - rekao je Karadžić u intervjuu za ''Večernje novosti''.

Karadžić tvrdi da su sa Holbrookeom "poslije dugog rada i u punom razumijevanju", postavljeni temelji Daytonskog sporazuma u prvih šest principa, koji su kasnije izmijenjeni.
Mislim...on se dogovara s nekim drugorazrednim pušačem kuraca Holbrokeom...pa i moja baba je skužila da je taj samo neki lapančić..normalno da ga je zajebao..Franjo je tog Holbrokea bio izbacio iz ureda jer mu je ovaj dosađivao

Karadžić se prije uhićenja dugo skrivao i izbjegavao gradove, obitelj i prijatelje
nemožemo reć da ga nismo tražili

- Neke istine koje je Holbrooke priopćio muslimanskoj strani i danas stoje, i još su izvor nevolja, i bit će sve dok ne bude jasno da se ništa ne može mijenjati bez konsenzusa. Neka netko proba ukinuti ili ograničiti Flandriju, Kataloniju, Sjevernu Irsku, bilo koji kanton u Švicarskoj - rekao je.
pizdarije za malu djecu....svaka pokrajina, autonomija se može poništit ili proširit..sve je stvar naroda hoće li ili neće..

Na pitanje je li se rat u BiH mogao izbjeći, Karadžić je rekao da je najbolja opcija bila opstanak Jugoslavije i da je to bilo i stajalište SDA do siječnja 1991, ali onda se dogodilo da je Alija Izetbegović ''trpio neke pritiske i SDA je krenula silovito i nasilno ka nezavisnosti''.

- Ali, kad je SDA krenula u uništavanje zajedničke države, s ciljem potčinjavanja Srba u unitarnoj BiH, mi smo izabrali svoj legitiman put: poduzeli smo mjere osiguranja opstanka kroz osiguranje konstitutivnosti i suverenosti tamo gdje smo bili suverena većina - smatra Karadžić.
I do 1993 još se s muslimanima moglo nešto napravit..no istina je da SDA s Izetbegovićem je postala ultra-muslimanska i zahvaljujući tome sad je Bosna unazađena za 500 godina..
Novi identitet je ''šale radi izvedeno iz naziva slovenskog boga Daboga, hromog Dabe''
hromi Daba....špijun u crtićima...sinonim za špijuna UDBE.....ha ha ha..teško da mu je padao na pamet hromi Svarog

- Zatim sam morao da budem sam, a za rutinsku kontrolu i legitimiranje potrebni su vam uvjerljivi papiri i tako je došlo do novog imena - ispričao je Karadžić.
hromi Daba....njegova taktika...



Radovan KaradžićRekao je da ga u Srbiji nisu legitimirali, jer je bio ''uzoran građanin, ali je početkom lipnja osjetio da ga netko prati, ali je to ignorirao, misleći da pretjeruje.
pa koga briga za nekog ispaljenka sjede kose koji prdi o narodnoj medicini.....pravi mali vrač

Njegova odbrana pred Haškim tribunalom, koji ga tereti za genocid i ratne zločine u BiH temeljit će se ''na istini, na iznošenju najvećeg mogućeg obujma istine''.

- A, istina je, vidjet će cijeli svijet, dijametralno suprotna od slike koja je stvorena. I zato je ovaj proces dio Božje pravde, i on će cijelu krizu osvijetliti i razjasniti. Zbog toga ne smije da bude 'smandrljan' - istakao je Karadžić.
bit će interesantno kako će objasnit pokolje muslimana i Hrvata....jedva čekam tu "dijametralno suprotnu istinu"..a pogotovo me interesira kako će objasnit Srebrenicu...tu dijametralna istina bi bila da su muslimani ubijali Srbe i to pisali ko ubijene muslimane...a onda ostaju silovanja i na tisuće male slatke Srbske kopiladi koje su muslimanke okotile

...ludnica....

[Serbian]

[QUOTE]Koji su to US/UK varalice..dogovor na bilo koji način...je li taj Holbroke možda neki Židovčić?

Holbrooke je stari zidovski pacov.

Mislim...on se dogovara s nekim drugorazrednim pušačem kuraca Holbrokeom...pa i moja baba je skužila da je taj samo neki lapančić..normalno da ga je zajebao..Franjo je tog Holbrokea bio izbacio iz ureda jer mu je ovaj dosađivao

Taj zidov je imao veliki uticaj u Clintonovoj administraciji, narocito po pitanju bive jugoslavije.

Tog skota je trebalo uhapsiti kad je bio u Beogradu 99 pred bombardovanje, pa onda kazati Amerima, bude li pala jedna bomba zidovu rezemo glavu.

nemožemo reć da ga nismo tražili

Znamo ko ga trazio T.J.B.

pizdarije za malu djecu....svaka pokrajina, autonomija se može poništit ili proširit..sve je stvar naroda hoće li ili neće..

Sve je stvar zidova i kako ce oni resiti. Narod se nikad i ne pita.


I do 1993 još se s muslimanima moglo nešto napravit..no istina je da SDA s Izetbegovićem je postala ultra-muslimanska i zahvaljujući tome sad je Bosna unazađena za 500 godina..

Jel SDA jos aktivna u Hrvatskoj? Pitam zato sto znam da su 90ih bili. Ko sad predstavlja balije kod vas?


hromi Daba....špijun u crtićima...sinonim za špijuna UDBE.....ha ha ha..teško da mu je padao na pamet hromi Svarog

Pa sinovi bivsih UDBAsa su ga i uhapsili/izrucili.

hromi Daba....njegova taktika...

Radovan je veliki covek. Bagra koja trenutno vlada nasim prostorima nije zasluzila ni cipele da mu lize.


pa koga briga za nekog ispaljenka sjede kose koji prdi o narodnoj medicini.....pravi mali vrač

Kao sto vidimo briga ih je, i te kako ih je briga. CNN/BBC i ostala belosvetska bagra je slavila danima.

bit će interesantno kako će objasnit pokolje muslimana i Hrvata....jedva čekam tu "dijametralno suprotnu istinu"..a pogotovo me interesira kako će objasnit Srebrenicu...tu dijametralna istina bi bila da su muslimani ubijali Srbe i to pisali ko ubijene muslimane...a onda ostaju silovanja i na tisuće male slatke Srbske kopiladi koje su muslimanke okotile

...ludnica

Kako su vas nakljukali sa tom bajatom i prezvakanom propagandom. Nemogu verovati da i dalje nasedas na ove gluposti, mislim stvarno...
:o

[bmwbiker]

Holbrooke je stari zidovski pacov.
Taj zidov je imao veliki uticaj u Clintonovoj administraciji, narocito po pitanju bive jugoslavije.
Tog skota je trebalo uhapsiti kad je bio u Beogradu 99 pred bombardovanje, pa onda kazati Amerima, bude li pala jedna bomba zidovu rezemo glavu.

Ja neznam šta ste se uopće raspravljali s tim debilom, kako sam ti rekao njega je Franjo ispalio i to jebeno nasilo iz ureda...nakon toga je pukla ljubav između US i Hrvatske...koja je trajala dosta godina..i mogu ti reć da nismo imali nekih problema većih osim šta su kamate na kredite bile velike..a sve ostalo je bilo više nego dobro za ono vrijeme
Jel SDA jos aktivna u Hrvatskoj? Pitam zato sto znam da su 90ih bili. Ko sad predstavlja balije kod vas?
SDA kao stranka je aktivna, no nemaju dovoljno glasača da priđu bilo kakav prag, zato ko manjina dobiju jedno mjesto u saboru.
Nešto se govorilo da imaju po izborima oko par tisuća glasova...šta je dosta jadno..no objašnjavaju s time da je dosta muslimana se prebacilo u katolike ili ateiste

Pa sinovi bivsih UDBAsa su ga i uhapsili/izrucili.
Radovan je veliki covek. Bagra koja trenutno vlada nasim prostorima nije zasluzila ni cipele da mu lize.
Zakleo bih se da je i Radovan imao svoju malu karijericu u UDBI..pa nebi ga Milošević tolerirao da UDBA nije dala blagosov.

Kako su vas nakljukali sa tom bajatom i prezvakanom propagandom. Nemogu verovati da i dalje nasedas na ove gluposti, mislim stvarno...
:o
Čuj da sam vidio na TV, drukčije bih pizdio...ali i moj grad je napadalo, moji su bili u ratu tih '90-tih, i bilo je ogromnih sranja napravljenih iz osvete ili zastrašivanja od Srba...
Najbliži veći zločin je u Kruševu...100 kilometara od mene...60 staraca zaklanih na dan pada Vukovara...to je šta sam 110% siguran bilo je sranja op zadarskom zaleđu, Dubrovniku, a svugdje gdje su "hrabri" četnici ušli u sela.
Mog prijatelja je uhvatilo '91 kad je vozio kamion s oružjem..i prošao je Kninski zatvor i Glinski, nije on bio jedini u svojih 8 mjeseci koliko je bio u tim zatvorima, no bio je jedan od rijetkih preživjelih, preživio je samo zato šta je mučao i šta je iznimne jake konstrukcije..svaki dan je bio premlaćivan, SVAKI DAN..sve zube su mu izbili, sva rebra, par lomova ruku i nogu, fraktura ... čudo da je preživio..i moj prijatelj kaže: bilo je dosta momaka kraj mene u ćelijama, dosta ih je ubilo premlaćujući do smrti a neki su i masakrirani noževima do smrti..jer kad god bi Hrvati ubili par četnika na frontu, ovi bi dovodili obitelji u zatvor da se iživljavaju na zarobljenim Hrvatima.
Svi znamo da je to bila standardna taktika zastrašivanja i čišćenja i da su klanje i masakri bili u tome planu..zato nemoj govorit da sam napunpan od propagande kad sam ja bio umješan i kao vojnik u Oluji sam vidio isto svašta i svega šta četnici mogu i u stanju su napravit.
Mene TV nije imao kad sjebat jer sam ja znao vjesti prije nego na TV dođu..sad znaš iz koje sam familije (sve ekipa dragovoljaca i zapovjednika). Još jednom ponavljam: nije bilo problema s Hrvatima, čak i s muslimanima..ali Srbi su stvarno radili pizdarije. Nisu na vas skočili židovi ili takvi ispižđeni medijima papci..na vas su skočili ljudi koji su izgubili nekoga svoga, koji su vidjeli leš u komadima od svog djeteta...svi vole brojke napumpavat, no ona srž da se sranje desilo ona je bitna..jebe se mene da li je netko rekao da je na Srebrenici ubijeno 100 000 ili 1 000..prvo nije moj narod, niti moj problem, drugo i da je jedan masakriran ili ubijen za kurac već je sranje.

[Serbian]

[QUOTE]Zakleo bih se da je i Radovan imao svoju malu karijericu u UDBI..pa nebi ga Milošević tolerirao da UDBA nije dala blagosov.


Nije nikakva tajna da je Milosevic imao negativno misljenje o Radovanu dok ga je Mira Markovic mrzela zato sto je bio nacionalista. Samo da znas u RS je bila zabranjena komunisticka partija.



Čuj da sam vidio na TV, drukčije bih pizdio...ali i moj grad je napadalo, moji su bili u ratu tih '90-tih, i bilo je ogromnih sranja napravljenih iz osvete ili zastrašivanja od Srba...
Najbliži veći zločin je u Kruševu...100 kilometara od mene...60 staraca zaklanih na dan pada Vukovara...to je šta sam 110% siguran bilo je sranja op zadarskom zaleđu, Dubrovniku, a svugdje gdje su "hrabri" četnici ušli u sela.
Mog prijatelja je uhvatilo '91 kad je vozio kamion s oružjem..i prošao je Kninski zatvor i Glinski, nije on bio jedini u svojih 8 mjeseci koliko je bio u tim zatvorima, no bio je jedan od rijetkih preživjelih, preživio je samo zato šta je mučao i šta je iznimne jake konstrukcije..svaki dan je bio premlaćivan, SVAKI DAN..sve zube su mu izbili, sva rebra, par lomova ruku i nogu, fraktura ... čudo da je preživio..i moj prijatelj kaže: bilo je dosta momaka kraj mene u ćelijama, dosta ih je ubilo premlaćujući do smrti a neki su i masakrirani noževima do smrti..jer kad god bi Hrvati ubili par četnika na frontu, ovi bi dovodili obitelji u zatvor da se iživljavaju na zarobljenim Hrvatima.
Svi znamo da je to bila standardna taktika zastrašivanja i čišćenja i da su klanje i masakri bili u tome planu..zato nemoj govorit da sam napunpan od propagande kad sam ja bio umješan i kao vojnik u Oluji sam vidio isto svašta i svega šta četnici mogu i u stanju su napravit.
Mene TV nije imao kad sjebat jer sam ja znao vjesti prije nego na TV dođu..sad znaš iz koje sam familije (sve ekipa dragovoljaca i zapovjednika). Još jednom ponavljam: nije bilo problema s Hrvatima, čak i s muslimanima..ali Srbi su stvarno radili pizdarije. Nisu na vas skočili židovi ili takvi ispižđeni medijima papci..na vas su skočili ljudi koji su izgubili nekoga svoga, koji su vidjeli leš u komadima od svog djeteta...svi vole brojke napumpavat, no ona srž da se sranje desilo ona je bitna..jebe se mene da li je netko rekao da je na Srebrenici ubijeno 100 000 ili 1 000..prvo nije moj narod, niti moj problem, drugo i da je jedan masakriran ili ubijen za kurac već je sranje.



Vec sam ti rekao da uopste nemam namere da te ubedjujem u bilo sta. Veruj u sta hoces. Ja mogu sad da postujem brdo dokaza i slika o vasim zlocinima nad srpskim civilima i sta onda? Ko da ces ti da promenis svoje misljene o nama? Sigurno da neces, niti ocekujem od tebe da stvari malo pogledas iz drugog ugla. Vi imate svoju verziju dogadjaja iz 90ih mi svoju i tacka.
A to sa Srebrenicom, valjda znas da su balije odbile da se predaju i da su naoruzani krenuli u prodor prema Tuzli. Da su nas poslusali i prihvatili predaju svi bi bili zivi danas. Za Srebrenicu tvrde da je genocid, zasto onda nismo pobili bule i njihov nakot nego smo im obezbedili sokove sendvice i prevoz, da mirno stignu do muslimanske teritorije. Srebrenica je jedna notorna laz i manipulacija.

[bmwbiker]

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Nije nikakva tajna da je Milosevic imao negativno misljenje o Radovanu dok ga je Mira Markovic mrzela zato sto je bio nacionalista. Samo da znas u RS je bila zabranjena komunisticka partija.
e ovo za komunističku partiju nisam zna...svaka čast Radovane!!

Za Srebrenicu tvrde da je genocid, zasto onda nismo pobili bule i njihov nakot nego smo im obezbedili sokove sendvice i prevoz, da mirno stignu do muslimanske teritorije. Srebrenica je jedna notorna laz i manipulacija.
Sendviće i sokove ste im dali?..mora da ste im stavili puno svinjetine u sendviće kad je nastao toliki dernek..ha ha ha
No ipak se skupi poprilčan broj muslimanki koje traže svoju djecu...ja nebih baš to odbacio kako kilav i namješten dokaz

[Serbian]

Karadžić wants more time to prepare

2 February 2010 | 09:47 | Source: Beta, Tanjug

THE HAGUE -- Radovan Karadžić wants the continuation of his trial to be postponed so that he could have more time to prepare his defense.

The trial before the Hague Tribunal is scheduled to reconvene on March 1.

Karadžić said that he was not able to prepare because the court secretariat did not give his defense team the necessary funds, and he was not allowed to pick his own attorney.

The former Republic of Srpska president is accused of genocide and crimes against humanity committed against Muslims and Croats in Bosnia-Herzegovina between 1991 and 1993. He is also accused of holding an international hostage.

Karadžić, who is defending himself, did not mention how long of a postponement he requires.

He stated that the trial secretariat stopped financing his eight legal advisers, assistants and investigations against regulations. He has appealed the decision and a ruling on the matter is expected from Tribunal President Patrick Robinson.

Karadžić added that at the end of 2009, in a similar situation, Judge Robinson approved the added money for his defense team, mentioning that the secretariat’s decision was unreasonable. Karadžić is asking that the trial be postponed until Robinson makes a decision on the matter.

If Robinson confirms the decision of the secretariat, then “there might not be a need to postpone the trial, but it is “not likely” that Karadžić “will participate in the trial in which he must face the prosecution and all of its resources with one member in his team, without advisers and investigators. Such a trial would be a farce,” the defense stated.

In the meantime, the prosecution has given Karadžić’s team another 300,000 pages of documentation and submitted a demand for introducing another 2,000 pages, which has caused Karadžić to “fall even further behind.”

The trial before the Hague Tribunal began on October 26, 2009 with the opening statements of the prosecution. Karadžić boycotted participation, stating that he was not given enough time to prepare.

After the prosecution’s opening statement was completed, the judges made a decision three days later to impose a defense attorney for Karadžić and continue the trial on March 1, in order to give him enough time to prepare.

According to this decision, Karadžić’s right to defend himself was not revoked, and the imposed attorney Richard Harvey will take his place in court only if Karadžić refuses to appear on March 1.

Previously on Monday at the Hague, the prosecution submitted to the court a list of the first 30 witnesses to be called in the trial of Radovan Karadžić.

One of the first witnesses will be former justice minister in Karadžić’s government, Momčilo Mandić, who is also on trial for war crimes related to Sarajevo.

Mandić was earlier freed from all charges, but the prosecution appealed the verdict and will go to court again.

The first witnesses that is expected to take the stand in the Karadžić case is a protect witnesses and will be testifying under a pseudonym.

After him, Sulejman Crncalo will take the stand. Crncalo testified in the trial of Momčilo Krajišnik on the circumstances under which the Muslim community left Pale in 1992.

American diplomat Herbert Okun, who served as the deputy of Cyrus Vance, the UN special envoy for the Balkans at the beginning of the conflict, will also testify.

The prosecution will call to the stand former Sky News journalist Arnout Van Linden, as well as the former chief of the EU Monitoring Mission to Bosnia-Herzegovina, Colm Doyle, U.S. professors Robert Donia and John Wilson, and retired British General Michael Rose, who served as UNPROFOR commander in Bosnia.

The prosecution states that these witnesses are expected to testify in March and April.

Karadžić is expected to give the opening statements of his defense on March 1-2.

The prosecution gave its opening statements in October, after which Karadžić refused to participate in the trial, stating that he needed more time to prepare his defense.

The trial was then postponed and is expected to begin again on March 1.

[Serbian]

Serbs merely fought back, Karadzic to tell court

AFP/The Hague

Radovan Karadzic will seek to portray Bosnia’s Serbs as a threatened minority that acted in self-defence throughout the war when his genocide trial resumes in The Hague today.

The 1992-95 Bosnian conflict that killed 100,000 people and displaced 2.2mn “was a civil war that the Serbs did not want”, Karadzic’s legal adviser Marko Sladojevic told AFP.

Bosnian Serbs “merely responded to the actions of others”, he said ahead of Karadzic’s scheduled two-day opening statement, a summary of his defence.

The 64-year-old Bosnian Serb wartime leader faces 11 counts of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity before the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia.

Arrested on a Belgrade bus in July 2008 after 13 years on the run, Karadzic risks life imprisonment. He has pleaded not guilty and insists on conducting his own defence.

He will tell the court that Serbs found themselves “national minorities” in newly formed states as Yugoslavia disintegrated, said Sladojevic, who helped draft the statement.

Karadzic will argue that “the Muslim political side and President (Alija) Izetbegovic needed the war in order to change the status of Bosnia and achieve its final plan to establish an Islamic republic in Bosnia”.

Prosecutor Alan Tieger told the tribunal last year that Karadzic was the “supreme commander” of an ethnic cleansing campaign of Croats and Muslims in the pursuit of a Greater Serbia that was to include 60% of the territory of Bosnia.

He is alleged to have worked with Yugoslav strongman Slobodan Milosevic, who died mid-way through his own genocide trial in March 2006.

“We will attack from the very start,” Sladojevic said of his client’s defence strategy. “We are not going to act as an ordinary defence team because ordinary defence teams think that they should only respond, always defend.”

Karadzic will contend that the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, alleged to have killed more than 7,000 captured Muslim men and boys, was not genocide as charged but “at maximum, a war crime against prisoners of war”.

Defence forensic experts had found evidence of 500 slain prisoners, not thousands, said Sladojevic.

“It was not a safe area as it should have been. It was never demilitarised. The Bosnian Muslims armed themselves strongly and constantly in the area and committed atrocities on the Serb villages outside the area.

“In the end, the Serb side had no choice but to eliminate the enclave militarily ... to eliminate the forces of the Muslim army.”

As for the 44-month siege of the capital Sarajevo that ended in November 1995 with some 10,000 people killed, Karadzic will argue there were “dozens and dozens” of military formations in the city.

“Sarajevo was not a city of helpless civilians that were under siege,” said his adviser. “The Muslims were very organised and very armed.

“Many atrocities ... were committed against their own people in order to bring about the intervention of the Western powers on behalf of the Bosnian Muslims.”

Karadzic boycotted the start of his trial in October last year, insisting on more time to prepare. He has sought a delay until June 17 after his opening statement, but this was refused by the court which ruled on Friday that prosecution evidence shall be heard from Wednesday, March 3.

Of 161 people indicted since the UN created the tribunal in 1993, 61 have been sentenced and two remain at large: Karadzic’s military right-hand man Ratko Mladic and Goran Hadzic, former president of the self-proclaimed Serb republic of Krajina in Croatia.

[Serbian]

He should have exposed ZOG as well.

Karadzic: Islamic militants caused bloodshed

Mar 1, 2010

Former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic, charged with the worst genocide in Europe since the Holocaust, testified Monday that his people were simply defending themselves against Islamic fundamentalists who he claimed sought to take over Bosnia during the war.

In his opening defense statement at the U.N. war crimes tribunal, Karadzic denied any intention to expel non-Serbs from their homes, and said the Serb objective was to protect their own lives and property during the violent 1990s breakup of the former Yugoslavia.

The Serb “cause is just and holy,” Karadzic said as he began his two-day statement, relying only on sparse notes. “We have a good case. We have good evidence and proof.”

Karadzic, 64, faces two counts of genocide and nine other counts of murder, extermination, persecution, forced deportation and the seizing of 200 U.N. hostages. He faces possible life imprisonment if convicted.

Prosecutors say Karadzic orchestrated a campaign to destroy the Muslim and Croat communities in eastern Bosnia to create an ethnically pure Serbian state. The campaign included the 44-month siege of the capital of Sarajevo and the torture and murder of hundreds of prisoners in inhuman detention camps. That violence culminated in the massacre of some 8,000 Muslim males in one horrific week in July 1995 in the Srebrenica enclave, the worst bloodbath in Europe since World War II.

Karadzic sought to trace the origin of Bosnia’s full-scale civil war to the Muslims’ rejection of all power-sharing proposals.

A core group of Muslim leaders in Bosnia was “plotting and conniving,” Karadzic told the court. “They wanted Islamic fundamentalism and they wanted it from 1991.”

Prosecutors are trying “to present me as a monster because they do not have any evidence” that I committed a crime, he said. “This indictment should not have been issued in the first place.”

Karadzic is the most important figure to be brought to trial since former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, who died of a heart attack in 2006 before his case was concluded. Karadzic, president of the breakaway Bosnian Serb state, negotiated with diplomats, U.N. officials and peace envoys; he appeared often in the media; and he set the tone and pace of the 1992-95 Bosnian war that killed an estimated 100,000 people.

In his statement, Karadzic portrayed himself in the pre-war years as a conciliator who had been prepared to compromise on Serb ambitions to preserve the Yugoslav federation or to unite predominantly Bosnian Serb territory with Serbia.

“The Serbs were claiming their own territories, and that is not a crime,” he said. “It was never an intention, never any idea let along a plan, to expel Muslims and Croats” from the autonomous Republika Srbska.

Bosnia’s Serbs “wanted to live with Muslims, but not under Muslims,” when they would be deprived of fundamental rights, he declared.

Karadzic rarely referred to specific allegations in the indictment, concentrating instead on what he described as the victimization of the Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia, which prompted them to take up arms.

He rebutted charges that the Serbs ran concentration camps where non-Serbs were tortured and killed, saying the camps were “collection centers” for refugees. “It was a transit point for persons who had nowhere to go because of the fighting going on around them,” he said.

He also denied that Serb forces deliberately targeted a market during the siege of Sarajevo, an attack that killed 68 people.

The trial was being broadcast in Bosnia and aroused strong reactions among some Sarajevo residents who survived the siege.

“I don’t believe The Hague can punish him enough. They should send him back to us here in Sarajevo so we can hang him here in the middle of the city,” said Muhamed Dizdar, a merchant in the Markale market who was injured by the Serb mortar shell.

Karadzic said in the run-up to the conflict he repeatedly accepted peace proposals put forward at international conferences. He accused Bosnian Muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic of rejecting or reneging on them.

He charged that Serbs were the first victims of violence, killed by Muslims who “had blood up to their shoulders.”

He said, “Their conduct gave rise to our conduct.”

Karadzic’s legal aide Peter Robinson told the judges he had submitted an appeal earlier Monday against Friday’s court ruling denying Karadzic a delay in the continuation of his trial until June.

Karadzic, who is representing himself, boycotted the opening of his trial four months ago, claiming he had not had enough time to study more than 1 million pages of trial documents.

Accusing Karadzic of obstructing the proceedings, the judges allowed him to continue his self defense, but appointed a veteran British defense attorney, Richard Harvey, to take over if Karadzic was found to again hinder the case.

Karadzic has refused to cooperate with Harvey, who was in the courtroom Monday but not at the same table as Karadzic.

Karadzic’s daughter Sonja, speaking to The Associated Press from her father’s former headquarters in Pale, called the trial unfair because her father was not given enough time to prepare.

“What I know is that my father wants this process to start, but a fair process which he is entitled to. We are wondering who wants this process to be unfair, who is creating crisis after crisis in this process, who is afraid of Radovan Karadzic’s well prepared defense?” she said.

The Karadzic trial is likely to be one of the last cases handled by the U.N. court. The U.N. Security Council has asked the tribunal to wind up its cases and appeals and close down, leaving future trials to national courts in the former Yugoslav republics.

The court, set up in 1993, has indicted 161 political and military officials, of which 40 cases are still continuing.

Two key figures are fugitives and could still be brought to trial in The Hague: Karadzic’s former top general, Ratko Mladic, and Croatian Serb leader Goran Hadzic.

ARTHUR MAX
Monday, March 01, 2010
Associated Press Writer Radul Radovanovic in Sarajevo contributed to this report
Associated Press