Is this a good alternative to a bolt action sniper?

[Georgie]

Would this little puppy be a nice alternative to one of those scoped bolt action sniper rifles like the Remington 700 and other rifles of that nature?

It is semi-auto (i think anyway) and in a nice .308 cal. And I hear that their accuracy is quite good.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/M21.jpg

I'm trying to figure out what would be good. M-14 a bolt action sniper rifle or maybe one of those AR-15's (and copies) with a scope. The purpose is for it to be a nice, accurate, and functioning rifle.

Any opinions?

[purestatic]

Would this little puppy be a nice alternative to one of those scoped bolt action sniper rifles like the Remington 700 and other rifles of that nature?

It is semi-auto (i think anyway) and in a nice .308 cal. And I hear that their accuracy is quite good.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/M21.jpg

I'm trying to figure out what would be good. M-14 a bolt action sniper rifle or maybe one of those AR-15's (and copies) with a scope. The purpose is for it to be a nice, accurate, and functioning rifle.

Any opinions?

I hope you aren't going to be on a Bell Tower any time soon.


Only kidding.

[Georgie]

I hope you aren't going to be on a Bell Tower any time soon.


Only kidding.

LOL. :D Nah just curious as to whats the "best" out there.

[MadScienceType]

Very nice piece (I wish I could afford one right now) but keep in mind it's going to cost you about twice (or more) what a Rem 700 in the same caliber will cost. Magazines for it are also outrageously expensive. But, if money's no object, I say go for it, since the M-14/M-1A can also double as a battle rifle while a bolt-action cannot.

Scoped AR-15 clones are nice and can be accurate, but the .223 doesn't have a lot of steam out past 350 yards or so, while the .308's pretty lethal at twice that. However, they're a lot cheaper than the M-1A system and more widely available hi-cap magazines and mil-spec spare parts make them attractive as well.

A good scope for the AR is the ATN 5x33LU Hunter (I like fixed-power scopes on battle-type rifles and variables on bolt-actions). I have one of the ATN 5x33s on my AR and it's very rugged and has an illuminated reticle as well as a built-in bullet-drop compensator and rangefinding capability. Decent light transmission and coated glass optics with a price tag under $200. Here's a pic...

http://www.binoculars.com/Images/Web_ATN_5x33LU.jpg

Here's one of the reticle, with the rangefinder being the scale below the main horizontal markers. It works, like most, on the principle of fitting an object of known size between graduated marks on the scale (easier to do than explain).

http://www.nightvisionweb.com/images/atn_5x33LU_ret.jpg

[Paki Baiter]

LOL. :D Nah just curious as to whats the "best" out there.

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[Antiochus Epiphanes]

you need to beef up on guns dude. VNN is not the place to learn about guns.

M14/M1A kicks ass obviously, but AR 15 is the service longarm, which dictates that the insurrectionist choose it as his primary arm.

now if youre talking about sniper or counter terr applications, obviously the 308 has a longer stronger reach.

again, I suggest you research this elsewhere. this board should not degenerate into a gun-nut fantasyland.

[Paki Baiter]

you need to beef up on guns dude. VNN is not the place to learn about guns.

M14/M1A kicks ass obviously, but AR 15 is the service longarm, which dictates that the insurrectionist choose it as his primary arm.

now if youre talking about sniper or counter terr applications, obviously the 308 has a longer stronger reach.

again, I suggest you research this elsewhere. this board should not degenerate into a gun-nut fantasyland.

I haven't held a weapon for 20 years, there4 haven't been keeping up with modern technology. I was compelled to help this guy out with the knowledge that I have and I don't claim to be a know-it-all. This guy was getting all kind of 1 sided messages which were often misleading and I didn't want to him go down all because of misin4mation from wanna-be gun fanatics

[GeNoMe X]

Would this little puppy be a nice alternative to one of those scoped bolt action sniper rifles like the Remington 700 and other rifles of that nature?

It is semi-auto (i think anyway) and in a nice .308 cal. And I hear that their accuracy is quite good.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/M21.jpg

I'm trying to figure out what would be good. M-14 a bolt action sniper rifle or maybe one of those AR-15's (and copies) with a scope. The purpose is for it to be a nice, accurate, and functioning rifle.

Any opinions?

Take it from a guy who's used one,they are incredibly accurate,but you better keep some high pressure grease on the operateing rod and bolt cams or else!

My 100$ mauser 98 outshot it though.......

[Granddragon36]

Sure at $2,000+ for what you show (more like $3000, but who is counting bucks here?) and $50 mags, it is a primo set up. However the $100 surplus rifles will give it a run for the money. Log on to theindependentamerican.freeyellow.com and read the mag. Yhe first four were/are free, but now a pay per view. They do a surplus gun article every issue, plus what guns you REALLY need. NO BS!! Great mag if you want teh truth about stuff.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

for a cheap rifle in 308, why not the Gibbs Enfield redo? $200, ten shot capacity, refinished with Jungle carbine "wandering zero" problem fixed. Great rifle, fastest bolt action they say. I enjoy using this rifle greatly.

[MadScienceType]

Oh, one thing I just realized about the newly-manufactured M1A' is that the receivers are cast which is not something you want in an MBR. They are very good castings, but still castings and they will break where a forged receiver will keep on ticking.

It's near-impossible to find a good M-14-type receiver these days, but you can have an original M1 Garand receiver modified to take detachable mags (for some $$$$, mind you) or you can try to buy an LRB Arms www.lrbarms.com receiver or barreled action. These are also pricey, but there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

I would think that an $1100+ gun would at least be forged, but caveat emptor applies to this as it does all things it appears.

[123]

for a cheap rifle in 308, why not the Gibbs Enfield redo? $200, ten shot capacity, refinished with Jungle carbine "wandering zero" problem fixed. Great rifle, fastest bolt action they say. I enjoy using this rifle greatly.

excellent choice. You don't want a 3000$ guns if ever the shit hits the fan.
They will shoot you just to get your fancy gun. Plus bolt action doesn't waste ammo.

[GeNoMe X]

Springfield Armory sells a basic match model for 1200$the mags are only 35$
locally for usgi,cheaper if you get overseas stuff.the only alternative I've found is a tuned FAL rifle,try to steer clear of the slap together junk from century,but it can still be worked up for about 75$.

[Robert W. Hoffman]

excellent choice. You don't want a 3000$ guns if ever the shit hits the fan.
They will shoot you just to get your fancy gun. Plus bolt action doesn't waste ammo.Not only that, bolt-actions are the most accurate at long distances. I had a Remington 700 BDL and a Remington 740 Woodsmaster (semi-auto). Both were in .30-06. I consistently had much tighter groups at 300+ yds. with the BDL. .30-06 is probably the flattest shooting, most versatile caliber around.

I now have a Ruger 77 in .308 and am thinking of topping it off with either a Zeiss or Leupold scope. Gotta git to shopping.