Friedrich Nietzsche Quotes

[Fredrik Haerne]

To shape things up a little I thought some quotes from one of the masters would be in order. Feast your eyes on some quotes from Friedrich Nietzsche, slayer of fog dragons, harbinger of the Will to Power, and generally a stand-up bloke:



My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (its will to power) and to thrust back all that resists its extension. But it continually encounters similar efforts on the part of other bodies and ends by coming to an arrangement ("union") with those of them that are sufficiently related to it: thus they then conspire together for power. And the process goes on.
--The Will to Power

[Anything which] is a living and not a dying body... will have to be an incarnate will to power, it will strive to grow, spread, seize, become predominant - not from any morality or immorality but because it is living and because life simply is will to power... 'Exploitation'... belongs to the essence of what lives, as a basic organic function; it is a consequence of the will to power, which is after all the will to life.
--Beyond Good and Evil

If all goes well, the time will come when one will take up the memorabilia of Socrates rather than the Bible as a guide to morals and reason... The pathways of the most various philosophical modes of life lead back to him... Socrates excels the founder of Christianity in being able to be serious cheerfully and in possessing that wisdom full of roguishness that constitutes the finest state of the human soul. And he also possessed the finer intellect.
--The Wanderer and his Shadow

Where the poor power of the eye can no longer see the evil impulse as such because it has become too subtle, man posits the realm of goodness; and the feeling that we have now entered the realm of goodness excites all those impulses which had been threatened and limited by the evil impulses, like the feeling of security, of comfort, of benevolence. Hence, the duller the eye, the more extensive the good. Hence the eternal cheerfulness of the common people and of children. Hence the gloominess and grief - akin to a bad conscience - of the great thinkers.
--The Gay Science

The most senile thing ever thought about man is contained in the celebrated saying 'the ego is always hateful'; the most childish is the even more celebrated 'love thy neighbor as thyself'. -- In the former, knowledge of human nature has ceased, in the latter it has not yet even begun.
--Assorted Opinions and Maxims

It is not things, but opinions about things that have absolutely no existence, which have so deranged mankind!
--Daybreak

To die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly. Death of one's own free choice, death at the proper time, with a clear head and with joyfulness, consummated in the midst of children and witnesses: so that an actual leave-taking is possible while he who is leaving is still there.
--Expeditions of an Untimely Man

I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him?
All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is the ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And man shall be just that for the overman: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment...
Behold, I teach you the overman. The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth!
--Thus Spake Zarathustra

Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping. What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end: what can be loved in man is that he is an overture and a going under. I love those who do not know how to live, for they are those who cross over.
--Thus Spake Zarathustra

Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks--those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest.
--Thus Spake Zarathustra


And finally, quotes that I don't know where they appear:

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."

"He who has a why to live for can bear almost any how."

"In heaven all the interesting people are missing."

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."

"He who cannot obey himself will be commanded. That is the nature of living creatures."

"All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking."

[FadeTheButcher]

"To friend Overbeck and wife. Although you have so far demonstrated little faith in my ability to pay, I yet hope to demonstrate that I am somebody who pays his debts -- for example, to you. I am just having all anti-Semites shot. Signed, Dionysus"

-- Friedrich Nietzsche

Dear Sir,

Herewith I am returning to you the three issues of your correspondence sheet, thanking you for your confidence which you permitted me to cast a glance at the muddle of principles that lie at the heart of this strange movement. Yet I ask in the future not to provide me with these [anti-Semitic] mailings: I fear, in the end, for my patience. Believe me: this abominable "wanting to have a say" of noisy dilettantes about the value of people and races, this subjection to "authorities" who are utterly rejected with cold contempt by every sensible mind (e.g., E. Dühring, R. Wagner, Ebrard, Wahrmund, P. de Lagarde—who among these in questions of morality and history is the most unqualified, the most unjust?), these constant, absurd falsifications and rationalizations of vague concepts "germanic," "semitic," "aryan," "christian," "German"—all of that could in the long run cause me to lose my temper and bring me out of the ironic benevolence with which I have hitherto observed the virtuous velleities and pharisaisms of modern Germans.

— And finally, how do you think I feel when the name Zarathustra is mouthed by anti-Semites? ...

Yours humbly

Dr. Fr. Nietzsche

"You have committed one of the greatest stupidities—for yourself and for me! Your association with an anti-Semitic chief expresses a foreignness to my whole way of life which fills me again and again with ire or melancholy. [...] It is a matter of honor with me to be absolutely clean and unequivocal in relation to anti-Semitism, namely, opposed to it, as I am in my writings. I have recently been persecuted with letters and Anti-Semitic Correspondence Sheets. My disgust with this party (which would like the benefit of my name only too well!) is as pronounced as possible, but the relation to Förster, as well as the aftereffects of my former publisher, the anti-Semitic Schmeitzner, always brings the adherents of this disagreeable party back to the idea that I must belong to them after all. [...] It arouses mistrust against my character, as if publicly I condemned something which I have favored secretly—and that I am unable to do anything against it, that the name of Zarathustra is used in every Anti-Semitic Correspondence Sheet, has almost made me sick several times. [....]"

-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[Craig Smith]

Nietzsche was reacting to Christian Anti-Semitism which is obviously ludicrous. He was opposed to caste-mixing and therefore was as Anti-Semitic as needs be. Further, Nietzsche's views changed over time, and he was extreme in his responses to anything tinged with Christianity or that seemed to him part of the general social failing of his time.

[no_nomen]

Yes! Nietzsche - There is also a very good case to be made that
Nietzsche's views changed over time, as evidenced by these quotes
from "The Antichrist", which was his last or next to last book:
http://www.intellex.com/~rigs/page1/nietz.htm

translation by H.L. Mencken
Published 1920

THE ANTICHRIST

by Friedrich Nietzsche
Published 1895

http://www.fns.org.uk/ac.htm

.;'~)))

[no_nomen]

btw, I vaguely remember FadeTheFelcher from the Original Dissent
forum... from what I recall he's a christian suckpoop who polishes
jew-jesus' uncircumcised knob whenever the opportunity arises. heh

FTB/F sure looks fustrated doesn't he?
Love his avitar!

Clicking on the search button below his posts
gives a pretty interesting overview.

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[Fredrik Haerne]

Yep, all true about Nietzsche: he couldn't stand Christian hypocrisy about the Jew. But he also knew that it was the Jew who had inverted the values of the world, especially through Christianity. Really, the anti-Semitic passages in his writings are too many to list here.

Anyway, it is telling that you can't start a thread about one of the philosophical masters without having a Christian fanatic trying to blacken his name. They can't accept any philosophy that is not based on their mythic dogma, it seems. Thus, for their viewing pleasure and ours, I present the following enlightening quotes:


Christianity was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life's nausea and disgust with life, merely concealed behind, masked by, dressed up as, faith in 'another' or 'better' life.
--The Birth of Tragedy

Those who boast so mightily of the scientificality of their metaphysics should receive no answer; it is enough to pluck at the bundle which, with a certain degree of embarrassment, they keep concealed behind their back; if one succeeds in opening it, the products of that scientificality come to light, attended by their blushes: a dear little Lord God, a nice little immortality, perhaps a certain quantity of spiritualism, and in any event a whole tangled heap of 'wretched poor sinner' and Pharisee arrogance.
--Assorted Opinions and Maxims

Even today many educated people think that the victory of Christianity over Greek philosophy is a proof of the superior truth of the former - although in this case it was only the coarser and more violent that conquered the more spiritual and delicate. So far as superior truth is concerned, it is enough to observe that the awakening sciences have allied themselves point by point with the philosophy of Epicurus, but point by point rejected Christianity.
--Human, all too Human

As soon as a religion comes to dominate it has as its opponents all those who would have been its first disciples.
--Human, all too Human

A Jesus Christ was possible only in a Jewish landscape--I mean one over which the gloomy and sublime thunder cloud of the wrathful Yahweh was brooding continually. Only here was the rare and sudden piercing of the gruesome and perpetual general day-night by a single ray of the sun experienced as if it were a miracle of "love" and the ray of unmerited "grace." Only here could Jesus dream of his rainbow and his ladder to heaven on which God descended to man. Everywhere else good weather and sunshine were considered the rule and everyday occurrences.
--The Gay Science

Paul thought up the idea and Calvin rethought it, that for innumerable people damnation has been decreed from eternity, and that this beautiful world plan was instituted to reveal the glory of God: heaven and hell and humanity are thus supposed to exist - to satisfy the vanity of God! What cruel and insatiable vanity must have flared in the soul of the man who thought this up first, or second. Paul has remained Saul after all - the persecutor of God.
--The Wanderer and his Shadow

The Christian church is an encyclopaedia of prehistoric cults and conceptions of the most diverse origin, and that is why it is so capable of proselytizing: it always could, and it can still go wherever it pleases and it always found, and always finds something similar to itself to which it can adapt itself and gradually impose upon it a Christian meaning. . . . One may admire this power of causing the most various elements to coalesce, but one must not forget the contemptible quality that adheres to this power: the astonishing crudeness and self-satisfiedness of the church's intellect during the time it was in process of formation, which permitted it to accept any food and to digest opposites like pebbles.
--Daybreak

Christianity has done its utmost to close the circle and declared even doubt to be sin. One is supposed to be cast into belief without reason, by a miracle, and from then on to swim in it as in the brightest and least ambiguous of elements: even a glance towards land, even the thought that one perhaps exists for something else as well as swimming, even the slightest impulse of our amphibious nature- is sin! And notice that all this means that the foundation of belief and all reflection on its origin is likewise excluded as sinful. What is wanted are blindness and intoxication and an eternal song over the waves in which reason has drowned.
--Daybreak

Christianity came into existence in order to lighten the heart; but now it has first to burden the heart so as afterwards to be able to lighten it. Consequently it shall perish.
--Human, all too Human

When we hear the ancient bells growling on a Sunday morning we ask ourselves: Is it really possible! This, for a jew, crucified two thousand years ago, who said he was God's son? The proof of such a claim is lacking. Certainly the Christian religion is an antiquity projected into our times from remote prehistory; and the fact that the claim is believed - whereas one is otherwise so strict in examining pretensions - is perhaps the most ancient piece of this heritage. A god who begets children with a mortal woman; a sage who bids men work no more, have no more courts, but look for the signs of the impending end of the world; a justice that accepts the innocent as a vicarious sacrifice; someone who orders his disciples to drink his blood; prayers for miraculous interventions; sins perpetrated against a god, atoned for by a god; fear of a beyond to which death is the portal; the form of the cross as a symbol in a time that no longer knows the function and ignominy of the cross -- how ghoulishly all this touches us, as if from the tomb of a primeval past! Can one believe that such things are still believed?
--Human, all too Human

[Gabrielle]

LOL. What’s the matter, ErikD? I noticed you edited your post; are you afraid to let FadeTheButcher see what you wrote about him? ;) :)

[no_nomen]

LOL. What’s the matter, ErikD? I noticed you edited your post;
are you afraid to let FadeTheButcher see what you wrote about him?
Hi there gabby,

I thought you would come around. Speaking of posts, I saved many of your better ones from the old forum. I'll dig them out. I'm sure you won't mind if
I quote you some. They were timeless classics !

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[Gabrielle]

Post away, and while you are at it – get a life, moron. :)

[thewalloonsss]

Hey, ya still spewing Asiatic fairytales?

[Gabrielle]

I have every right to be upset, thewalloonsss! Have you read the attacks against good people that certain wicked people post here?

[Draco]

I'm saddened to see they let you out of the psychiatric ward so soon Gab. Your antics last time you were here only helped prove my suspicions that all CIers were as neurotic as their judaic god. Been busy "stoning" any Heathans, or have you just been converting your trailer into a "mobile combat unit" while muttering scripture to yourself? I remember CHOICE insanity you posted last time, if anyone saved Gabbies old ranting, bring them out. I'm snowed in and need a laugh.

[Gabrielle]

Wacko Draco, how do you like the FACT that old Friedrich Nietzsche was a jew loving, anti-Christ swine? LOL. I love it! :)

[Fredrik Haerne]

Wacko Draco, how do you like the FACT that old Friedrich Nietzsche was a jew loving, anti-Christ swine? LOL. I love it! :)

After all these posts on how Nietzsche hated Jews and Christian anti-semites alike, the Gabrielle still Jews the truth Jewingly. What's up with that, eh?


I have read the Bible and the Qu'ran, and a great deal of Nietzsche's work. I reject both the Bible and the Qu'ran. These Christian fanatics, they say that Nietzsche's philosophy is bad and the Qu'ran's version of God is wrong -- without even having read the literature they are talking about! Surely, this must be called stupidity as well as fanaticism.

[no_nomen]

Your antics last time you were here only helped prove my suspicions
that all CIers were as neurotic as their judaic god. Been busy "stoning"
any Heathans?
Seems gabby would rather 'stone' White Folks who don't
'go along' with the jew-dazed ravings of CI! OH! MY!

I thought all the ANTI-WHITE posters were confined
to the 'opposition forum' !!! How did they get out here?

As Gabrielle (CI) said in the Old VNN Forum:

"The #1 enemy of white people =

=People who deny Christ is God."

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[Gabrielle]

Seems gabby would rather 'stone' White Folks who don't
'go along' with the jew-dazed ravings of CI! OH! MY!

I thought all the ANTI-WHITE posters were confined
to the 'opposition forum' !!! How did they get out here?

As Gabrielle (CI) said in the Old VNN Forum:

"The #1 enemy of white people =

=People who deny Christ is God."

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Oh, my, thank goodness you saved that, nomen! Don't you have anything better to do with your hard drive space? LOL!

[Draco]

Wacko Draco, how do you like the FACT that old Friedrich Nietzsche was a jew loving, anti-Christ swine? LOL. I love it! :)

Actually, I find Nietzsche to be rather boring. Too self-important for a man living with a horse he talked to. Yeah, he made some interesting points, but the amount of rubbish you have to sift through to find them is a strong disincentive.

I tend to give anyone who is anti-Christ a bonus in my book, so maybe ole Nietzie is alright after all. As for jew-loving, the only one here who worships a jew is you. A scrawny liberal rabbi nailed to a stick.

Listen, you can get your mental meds from Canada for cheap and still be able to pay off that sixth mortgage on your trailer. Shouldn't spend all your welfare money on guns so you can masturbate with them while fantasizing about Jesus second coming.

I dont like you.

[no_nomen]

(to : Gabrielle ) I dont like you.

Draco, I can certianly see how you would feel that way
toward gabby and all the CI followers... Especially since
they go around trying to convince other White Folks that:

You are the "The #1 enemy of white people" !!!



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[no_nomen]

Amazing.
This thread here is an example of Gabby's irrational "thought" processes.

EricD Sir,

I will have to disagree with you on that point!

Since CI Followers have Declared:

ALL White Non-Believers are their Mortal and Spiritual ENEMY:

Then any means they might use to Destroy you and all other
Non-Believers would not be irrational at all.

"By Deception You Shall Do War"


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[Gabrielle]

ErikDumbscum

As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34

This is a message board, stupido, not a church – so, you shut your mouth, big tough guy!

[Draco]

If I could pick one who most influenced me, I'd choose Machiavelli, for his work The Prince. Numerous other authors have also given me great pleasure, Chaucer, Aristotle, Ovid, Virgil(The Aeneid is my all-time favorite work of fiction, a true Pagan epic), Goethe(I would love to see a well-done production of Faust), the unknown author(s) who composed Beowulf, Shakespeare( The Tempest and The Merchant of Venice were my favorites), and many more.


[QUOTE=Draco]Yeah, he made some interesting points, but the amount of rubbish you have to sift through to find them is a strong disincentive.
QUOTE]


But the ratio of rubbish to quality varies greatly from book to book. Beyond Good and Evil is probably the worst offender, but it contains my favorite passage, What Is Noble?

Sometimes I get the suspicion that Nietzsche is hiding his real message is codes, riddles, and metaphor, particularly some passages from Also Sprach.

What other writers do you like to read, Draco?

[FadeTheButcher]

Ok, FadeTheButcher, you point out that Nietzsche is somehow soiled for some PC comments he made about anti-semitism.

Nietzsche loathed anti-Semites you moron.

That is not the whole story, my lovely pouty lipped friend. Number one, Nietzsche is the godfather of aryan racial utopias and genocide (see GM, and ASZ).

ROFL what the hell are you talking about? Nietzsche advocated race-mixing with Jews. He even wanted to have a threesome himself with the Jewess Lou Salome.

Number two, Nietzsche is full of contradictions, he was against anti-semitism but hated Jews.

LOL where did you get the notion that Nietzsche hated the Jews? What modern scholar has advanced such a thesis?

Nietzsche said he had to obscure his message or else be lynched. He said it was only meant for the higher men. He said, he who has ears, let him hear.

ROFL Nietzsche was DISGUSTED by anti-Semitism and hated anti-Semites with a passion, particularly his brother-in-law. He even went through the trouble of switching publishers to disassociate himself with anti-Semitism and Wagner’s anti-Semitism was one of the critical factors in his break with him.

Nietzsche was reacting to Christian Anti-Semitism which is obviously ludicrous.

Nietzsche hated anti-Semites period and would be disgusted and appalled at your abuse of his philosophy.

He was opposed to caste-mixing and therefore was as Anti-Semitic as needs be.

ROFL yes, that is why Nietzsche himself wanted to have sex with a Jewess, because he was an anti-Semite!!

Fade, you are a fucking fake-ass phony hypocrite liar...

Who let you out of the barn this morning Cletus? :p

I doubt you have even read any of Nietzsche' books.

I have read every single one of Nietzsche’s books. Unlike many of you barnyard animals and trailer park philosophers, I am a scholar. The notion that Nietzsche hated the Jews, that Nietzsche himself was somehow an anti-Semite who spoke in secret code (LOL!), is a lie so preposterous that it could only possibly be made by a jejune little simpleton like yourself.

You are just spewing bullshit because you are a jew-worshipping, jew-suckpooping little christian bitch. Fuck off and take your pathetic jew-worshipping religion with you. Fucking sophist.

Well, I suppose I will let you get back to impregnating your sister now. If you need any help getting your G.E.D., don’t be afraid to ask. :p

[FadeTheButcher]

It looks like some of my posts were deleted, which is a shame, because people should know that FadeTheFelcher is a typical christian fuckhead who polishes jew-jesus' uncirumcised knob whenever the opportunity arises.

Savages have the hardest time with grammar.

Christians like Gabrielle and FadeTheFelcher cannot grasp concepts like that because they don't want to grasp anything that could cast doubt on their jew-worshipping religion.

Where have I ever suggested that I was a Christian?

So, they do everything in their power to undermine their opponents like Nietzsche... without ever actually reading any of the books they wrote. Amazing.

LOL I never suggested that Nietzsche was any fan of Christianity. You have a hard enough time with history. I don’t suppose they teach logic or philosophy in the trailer park either.

After all these posts on how Nietzsche hated Jews and Christian anti-semites alike, the Gabrielle still Jews the truth Jewingly. What's up with that, eh?

I challenge you to post one sentence where Nietzsche in his own hand writes anything like “I hate the Jews.”

btw, I vaguely remember FadeTheFelcher from the Original Dissent forum... from what I recall he's a christian suckpoop who polishes jew-jesus' uncircumcised knob whenever the opportunity arises. Heh

ROFL that’s funny. I was banned from Original Dissent by Texas Dissident for being an “atheist Bolshevik.” :p

Really, the anti-Semitic passages in his writings are too many to list here.

I don’t see any anti-Semitism in Nietzsche’s works.

[FadeTheButcher]

This will be a work in progress. Where should we begin, oh yes. . .

"It must be taken into the bargain if all sorts of clouds and disturbances - in brief, little atttacks of hebetation - pass over the spirit of a people that is suffering, and wants to suffer, of nationalistic nerve and political ambition. Examples among the Germans today include the anti-French stupidity, now the anti-Jewish, now the anti-Polish, now the Christian-romantic, now the Wagnerian, now the Teutonic, now the Prussian (just look at the wretched historians, these Sybels and Treitschkes and their thickly bandaged heads!) and whatever other names have little mistifications of the German spirit and conscience may have."

Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil. Translated by Walter Kaufmann. (New York, 1966), p.186

"Meanwhile they [the Jews] want and wish rather, even with some importunity, to be absorbed and assimilated by Europe; they long to be fixed, permitted, respected somewhere at long last, putting an end to the nomad's life, to the "Wandering Jew"; and this bent and impulse (which may even express an attenuation of the Jewish instincts) should be noted well and accomodated: to that end it might be useful and fair to expel the anti-Semitic screamers from the country."

Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil. Translated by Walter Kaufmann. (New York, 1966), p.188

[Gott]

[QUOTE=ErikD]Here is Scabrielle's "essay" on Nietzsche, which attempts to prove, in Scabby's earlier words, that: "Nietzsche is worthy of contempt", but only serve to prove Gabrielle a moron incapable of debating or essay writing at the fifth grade level:

[i]Friedrich Nietzsche
By Gabrielle La Foote

I love this really deep, intellectual-and-then-some, piece by Gabby. HAhahahahahaha. It's almost as good as the one where she 'fixes' Socrates. How those guys must be trembling now! And, who will be the next 'suspiciously gay' author she puts in his place? I just can't hardly wait, almost.

And, ErikD, I really like how accurately you call it with that total piece of worthless shit - Fade The Bowelmovement. That thing is the living enbodyment of the kike, oh sorry, 'christian' (IE, those who suck out the assholes of the real kikes). You too Gabby!

It would be nice to watch the jew ass suckers around here doing their devotions to their imaginary sand nigger god - abasing themselves, admitting their sinful ways, doing penance, weeping and smiting their bosoms, yada yada yada, over how worthless and low they are. For once, they would be right, too. It's just wonderful how imaginative christianity was and is in coming up with sickening, humiliating shit. Sick fucks. No wonder they filled the Romans with horror and disgust. Too bad the Romans didn't off them all and spare the world 2000 years of their terror and horror.

[Gabrielle]

[QUOTE=ErikD]Here is Scabrielle's "essay" on Nietzsche, which attempts to prove, in Scabby's earlier words, that: "Nietzsche is worthy of contempt", but only serve to prove Gabrielle a moron incapable of debating or essay writing at the fifth grade level:

[i]Friedrich Nietzsche
By Gabrielle La Foote

I love this really deep, intellectual-and-then-some, piece by Gabby. HAhahahahahaha. It's almost as good as the one where she 'fixes' Socrates. How those guys must be trembling now! And, who will be the next 'suspiciously gay' author she puts in his place? I just can't hardly wait, almost.

And, ErikD, I really like how accurately you call it with that total piece of worthless shit - Fade The Bowelmovement. That thing is the living enbodyment of the kike, oh sorry, 'christian' (IE, those who suck out the assholes of the real kikes). You too Gabby!

It would be nice to watch the jew ass suckers around here doing their devotions to their imaginary sand nigger god - abasing themselves, admitting their sinful ways, doing penance, weeping and smiting their bosoms, yada yada yada, over how worthless and low they are. For once, they would be right, too. It's just wonderful how imaginative christianity was and is in coming up with sickening, humiliating shit. Sick fucks. No wonder they filled the Romans with horror and disgust. Too bad the Romans didn't off them all and spare the world 2000 years of their terror and horror.


How dumb can you people be?! FadeTheButcher has told you simpletons repeatedly he is NOT a Christian!
I am afraid you Christ-haters just can’t handle the truth about your little gods, because there is no truth in you; you are brainwashed, brain-dead, wicked men who hate the truth. I am sorry to have to say it, but… there it is…

[FadeTheButcher]

How dumb can you people be?! FadeTheButcher has told you simpletons repeatedly he is NOT a Christian!

I am anti-ignorance. I take issue with morons who like to abuse history and philosophy to suit their own warped political agendas. I am not even a Christian myself, or any fan of Christianity. That does not necessarily mean I am any fan of the tree-worshipers and rock-collectors either.

I am afraid you Christ-haters just can’t handle the truth about your little gods, because there is no truth in you; you are brainwashed, brain-dead, wicked men who hate the truth. I am sorry to have to say it, but… there it is…

Where was Northern Europe in the 10,000 years prior 1 AD? Why do we have so little records from this period? Here is just one reason.

"This work, which is an attempt to present the Druids to a general readership, sets out to demonstrate the role of the Druids in ancient Celtic society; what we know of their teachings, and how they imparted their knowledge without the aid of writing. This oral tradition existed not because they had no knowledge of the art of writing but because they placed a religious prohibition on committing their knowledge to that form, in order that such knowledge should not fall into the wrong hands. It thus took between twelve and twenty years of study to reach the highest level of learning amongst them.

This prohibition on committing their knowledge and philosophy to writing has been a great stumbling block for modern scholars attempting to understand exactly what they believed and taught; that, combined with the periodic destruction of native Celtic books and manuscripts by conquering forces."

Peter Berresford Ellis, A Brief History of the Druids (New York, 2002), pp.13-14

In other words, the glorious religion of the beloved tree-worshipers ensured that Western Europe remained an ignorant backwater for centuries.

"When Christianity replaced the pre-Christian Celtic religion and the Druidic proscription on writing down the native history and philosophy was ended, the Celts poured out a wealth of literature. Indeed, Irish became Europe's third written langauge. From early Irish and Welsh sources there are many references to the Druids and, in a few places, they do confirm some of the information found in Greek and Roman sources."

Peter Berresford Ellis, A Brief History of the Druids (New York, 2002), pp.15

The horror of Christianity! :p

And, ErikD, I really like how accurately you call it with that total piece of worthless shit - Fade The Bowelmovement. That thing is the living enbodyment of the kike, oh sorry, 'christian' (IE, those who suck out the assholes of the real kikes). You too Gabby!

Civilized men have a phrase to describe the inbred like Gott - white trash. Tell us, at what age did you become attracted to your sister? Was it before or after you got your first tattoo? Was it before or after you dropped out of high school? :p

[Gott]

You bein called a christian agin, felch the bowel-movement? You are a JEW all the way, whatever lying label you use. Who gives a fuck anyway? Except Gabby, of course. Maybe she will 'write u up' as a positive role model as opposed to Schopenhauer and Socrates. And frankly, I don't think Nietzsche is too high on that ol list a hers. Tell him how Nietzsche is a fag Gabby, go on, he's a 'scholar' he can take it. Will you do a profound study of felch, Gabby, even though he likes Nietzsche? He likes Nietzsche = Nietzsche is a fag according to Gabby = felch is a fag? That how it works, Gabby? But even so, Gabby, come on and unleash that genius a'urs agin.

What matters is that you are the enemy - just as much, if not more so - as the jews who have come out from under their rocks. So, take your bullshit scholarship, and your kike transference (you hate those who use history to yada, yada, yaha boooo hoooooooo!!!) and shove them both up your butt.

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[Bardamu]

I don't like Nietzsche. For one thing he was a philo-Semite and a complete elitist in the sense of being anti-common man, or worker. He thought, so far as I can tell, and so far as I have read, that the entire value of a society is bound up in the higher cultural segments of that society. His idea was that high cultural artefacts like paintings and philosophical works have more value than a peasant or working class man and woman who make a beautiful family. I disagree. In addition Nietzsche went insane and trying to make sense of Thus Spake Zarathustra is impossible because it is one contradiction after another.

[Gott]

My my, all the books out there! And who, again, totally controls the book printing racket today, Mr. kike? Who controls the content and slant of history books today, Mr. jew? Now give me 67 different, intentionally confusing, misleading, and lying answers, with footnotes, and with material from the posts you are attempting to answer taken out of context, etc.

I have plenty of books too, Mr. 'scholar.' And guess what? They give me exactly the answers I want too, if that is what I want. Truth is relative and facts can be put together many ways. And the dead christian church (and jew controllers), have lotsa paid hacks, even as rigor mortis sets into the front-organization. Very sophisticated argument felch. Very.

And I can always bring dear old Edward Gibbon into it, now can't I? But what is he next to the fame down-through-the-ages of Peter Berresford Ellis, A Brief History of the Druids (New York, 2002)? Personally, I'm very dubious about any contemporary or even near contemporary 'history' book, considering who owns the companies that print them. So, I'll stick to small printing houses, or better yet strictly military history or best, the great historians. You can keep your peterberresfordellis, thanks. But, the old guys are so passé, now aren't they Mr. jew? As your mental and moral equivalent on the VNN main and letters page said more than once, Gibbon is 'OUTDATED'. 'Outdated' yeah, like Voltaire, Socrates and Kant. How very, very JEW.

I have shelves of history books coming at issues from all different angles - a totally new concept to you, I'm sure, Mr. kike. And then, after I read them, I MAKE UP MY OWN MIND on the basis of sifting and weighing the facts and the arguments. You should try it some time.

You are a jew - and like most around here, I know the yid tricks you habitually employ, and which stamp you as a jew. They are easy to see - particularly when used so directly according the the package directions, without even the slightest variants.

The name calling at the end was the best though - so totally, completely kike. The trailer park, white trash, not making it through high school, etc. the jew routine, complete in all particulars. And they say you can't see the truth of a person on the INTERNET.

Don't you worry about me social status or educational background, Mr. Kike. Unlike you, I find it rather vulgar and low-class to hawk my own wares. But then again, that is what jews do, now isn't it - so how can you help it? Doing anything other than that would be going against your very nature. So, by all means, continue to drag around with you the little spotlight you use to illuminate your superiority and oh-so-unsubtle condescension. And don't forget to throw the occasional bone to your groupie/claque (of one) - you don't want to hurt Gabby's feelings now do you Mr. jew? You can afford to go against your sacred talmud just this once, can't you?

[Gott]

That is precisely why the Jews are the most catastrophic people of world history: by their after-effect they have made mankind so thoroughly false that even today the Christian can feel anti-Jewish without realizing that he himself is the ultimate Jewish consequence."


wow. Thank you so much for this and all the other terrific quotations.

[Bardamu]

Red Baron,

I think you have proved your point about Nietzsche. From where does the notion come that he was philo-Semitic? Did he not admire the Jews just as often in print? It is my understanding that he wrote it would be desirable to create a new elite in Europe by marrying Jews with Prussian aristocrats? Perhaps he contradicts himself throughout the body of his work so that he is anti and philo semitic depending at what point of his career a person reads?

[Draco]

Fade lacks a clear perception of history. The Druids were the priestly caste of their region, which did not cover the entire continent of Europe. Pagan Europe encompasses a wildly diverse collection of peoples, places, and times. The Northern Europeans were concerned mainly with survival, that whole pesky winter thing and all, as for the Westerners, who we will call Celts for the sake of simplicity, were quite advanced in terms of what we would call "culture"-women had more rights than anywhere else in the world at that time(save for matriarchal societies), and honor was the backbone of life. Dishonor could have been mistreating prisoners of war, offering poor hospitality, cowardice, or lying. "Death by song", where a poet would publicly ridicule dishonorable or inept deeds of a nobleman or king, was considered worse than death, as a man losing his honor was worse than losing his life.

The Celts as well as the Scandinavians had their own written languages. The Druids used Ogham, which could be spoken as well as written, and the Scandinavians had the Runic alphabet, and bits of Latin and Greek writing were also adopted. Although both culture seldom used their own written languages, they did have them.

The reason they didn't use them? Because it was felt that the poems, songs, and legends, represented the SOUL of their people-to write them down cheapened it, and letters can never convey the true meaning, the emotions, the feeling that a skilled poet could.

[Bardamu]

The Celts as well as the Scandinavians had their own written languages.

Really? I was under the impression Celts had no written language and that everything we know about them comes from what Romans wrote down and what archeologists study. Did they leave any literature?

[Draco]

As I said, the Celts rarely used it, and it was often etched into wood or bark, and wood does not keep well, especially in the damp areas in which they lived. They did leave literature, but it was not committed to paper until Irish monks decided to write them down, and no one knows why they did.

The Scandinavians used stone as their medium(runestones), which is why its rare-who wants to carve into a heavy slab of stone? They also trusted most of their lives to the spoken word, not the written one, for the same reasons as the Celts.

Edited because I forgot to add the Celtic literature-Tain Bo Cuailnge, The Mabinogion(has many alternate spellings), The Dream of Oengus, Accalam Na Senorach, Cattle Raid of Froech, the Kings of Tara, and any stories related to the Tuatha De Danaan are must reads. Do keep in mind the Christian bias/agenda has changed them around somewhat.


Really? I was under the impression Celts had no written language and that everything we know about them comes from what Romans wrote down and what archeologists study. Did they leave any literature?

[Bardamu]

Draco,

I know about the Old Norse Sagas and Eddas. What is the equivalent Celtic literature that the monks put down?

[FadeTheButcher]

You bein called a christian agin, felch the bowel-movement? You are a JEW all the way, whatever lying label you use. Who gives a fuck anyway? Except Gabby, of course. Maybe she will 'write u up' as a positive role model as opposed to Schopenhauer and Socrates. And frankly, I don't think Nietzsche is too high on that ol list a hers. Tell him how Nietzsche is a fag Gabby, go on, he's a 'scholar' he can take it. Will you do a profound study of felch, Gabby, even though he likes Nietzsche? He likes Nietzsche = Nietzsche is a fag according to Gabby = felch is a fag? That how it works, Gabby? But even so, Gabby, come on and unleash that genius a'urs agin. What matters is that you are the enemy - just as much, if not more so - as the jews who have come out from under their rocks. So, take your bullshit scholarship, and your kike transference (you hate those who use history to yada, yada, yaha boooo hoooooooo!!!) and shove them both up your butt.

Can someone translate this into English for me? I am having trouble trying to understand the vernacular of this country bumpkin. Leave it to a feeble-minded savage to sully this thread with his barbarism.

[Gott]

Can someone translate this into English for me? I am having trouble trying to understand the vernacular of this country bumpkin. Leave it to a feeble-minded savage to sully this thread with his barbarism.


Having a major hissy fit, eh? You forgot to put in a LOL, or a ROFL or two, asshole. Get lost, kike.

[FadeTheButcher]

Well, I won't claim that I'm rolling on the floor laughing at your ignorance, but you are wrong. . .
Anyway, let's get down to the nitty gritty of evidence

By all means, lets do that. Who is “wrong” here? :p

Lets take a look:

“Anti-Semitism also looked to Nietzsche for confirmation; a great deal has already been written on this topic. It is indisputable that Nietzsche was an “anti-anti-Semite,” for the simple reason that when he pictured anti-Semitism, he saw the hated figures of his brother-in-law Bernhard Förster and his sister. Furthermore, he abhorred German chauvinism. He regarded the anti-Semitic movement of the 1880s as a mutiny of the mediocre, who unjustifiably played themselves up as the master race just because they considered themselves Aryans. Nietzsche was even prepared to assert and defend the racial superiority of the Jews to anti-Semites of this ilk. He contended that because the Jews had had to defend themselves against centuries of attacks, they had become resolute and clever and introduced an invaluable richness into European history. The Jews, he wrote, had the “most sorrowful history of all peoples,” and for this very reason we have the Jews to thank for “the noblest human being (Christ), the purest sage (Spinoza), the mightiest book, and the most effective moral code in the world.” (2,310; HH 1 475). He decried the misguided notions of the nationalists, who led “the Jews to the slaughterhouse as scapegoats for every possible public and private misfortune.” (2, 310; HH 1 475).

Nietzsche’s hatred of the anti-Semites grew in intensity in the final two years before his breakdown. He broke off with his anti-Semitic publisher Schmeitzner and called his publishing house an “anti-Semitic dump” (B 7, 117; Dec. 1885). In a draft of a letter to his sister in late December 1887, Nietzsche wrote: ”Now that I have even seen the name Zarathustra in the Anti-Semitic Correspondence Newsletter, my patience has run out. I am against your husband’s party as a matter of self-defense. These cursed anti-Semitic nincompoops should not take hold on my ideal.” (B 8, 218). In the fall of 1888, Nietzsche assembled his thoughts on the psychology of anti-Semitism. He described anti-Semites as people who, seized with panic when they realize they are too weak to give their lives meaning, join whatever party satisfies their “tyrannical quest for meaning.” For example, they became anti-Semites ”simply because the anti-Semites have an extraordinarily handy target: Jewish money.” Nietzsche then added his psychograph of the typical anti-Semite: ”Envy, ressentiment, blind fury as a leitmotif of instinct: the claim of the ‘chosen’; complete moralistic hypocrisy – they perpetually rattle off virtuous and grand words. Here is the typical sign: they do not even notice whom they are the spitting image of! An anti-Semite is an envious, i.e., extremely stupid Jew” (13,581)

Nietzsche was an “anti-anti-Semite” to the point of writing in one of his last letters, which were all tinged with madness: ”I will simply have all anti-Semites shot.” )B 8,575; ca. Jan. 4, 1889). Yet he also developed a theory in On the Genealogy of Morals, Twilight of the Idols, and The Anti-Christ according to which Judaism had played a major role in ushering in and guiding the “slave revolt in morality” (5,268; GM First Essay 7).”

Rüdiger Safranski. Nietzsche: A Philosophical Biography (New York, 2002), pp.338-39

You claim you've read all of Nietzsche's works, but the abridged Walter Kaufmann edition does not count.

I didn’t quote the abridged Walter Kaufmann edition you moron.

I'm going to post some quotes by Nietzsche that make your quote above look moronic, and then you can go on responding to me with copious ROFLs and LOLs. I doubt that Abe Foxman would appreciate any of the following sentiments towards Jews.

LOL you are going to deliberately take Nietzsche’s words out of context, one of things that irritated him more than anything else, to ascribe to him an anti-Semitic motive he never possessed.



From the Anti-Christ, which I'm sure you've read every third word of employing your infomercial speed-reading techniques: "Here we are among Jews: this is the first thing to be borne in mind if we are not to lose the thread of the matter. This positive genius for conjuring up a delusion of personal "holiness" unmatched anywhere else, either in books or by men; this elevation of fraud in word and attitude to the level of an art -- all this is not an accident due to the chance talents of an individual, or to any violation of nature. The thing responsible is race. The whole of Judaism appears in Christianity as the art of concocting holy lies, and there, after many centuries of earnest Jewish training and hard practice of Jewish technique, the business comes to the stage of mastery." Now, let me spell it out for you Fade, Nietzsche calls the entire Jewish race fradulent masters of the lie in this passage.

There is nothing anti-Semitic whatsoever about this quote you moron. Nietzsche in fact saw nobility in this you idiot as he described in On the Genealogy of Morals:

“In On the Geneaology of Morals, Nietzsche even managed to express a grudging admiration for the incompatibility of creative ressentiment that had imposed a “revaluation of all values” on the world, first when Jewish law was introduced and later when the Jewish apostate Paul transcended this law. Nietzsche regarded this revaluation as an essential component of a “secret black art of a truly grand-scale politics of revenge” (5,269; GM First Essay 8) A renaissance of “noble” values would now need to be enacted against the Jewish revaluation, but the Jewish success story still merited our respect as an example of an unconditional will to power that understood how to win over the allegiance of the weak.”

Rüdiger Safranski. Nietzsche: A Philosophical Biography (New York, 2002), pp.339

[FadeTheButcher]

Nevertheless, the god of "the great numbers," the democrat among the gods, did not become a proud pagan god: he remained a Jew, he remained a god of nooks, the god of all the dark corners and places, of all the unhealthy quarters the world over! ... His world-wide kingdom is, as ever, an underworld kingdom, a hospital, a souterrain kingdom, a ghetto kingdom ... And he himself: so pale, so weak, so décadent ... Even the palest of the pale were able to master him—our honorable metaphysicians, those concept-albinos."

What is anti-Semitic about this quotation?

"The symbol of this struggle, inscribed in letters legible across all human history, is "Rome against Judea, Judea against Rome": —there has hitherto been no greater event than this struggle, this question, this deadly contradiction. Rome felt the Jew to be something like anti-nature itself, its antipodal monstrosity as it were: in Rome the Jew stood "convicted of hatred for the whole human race"; and rightly, provided one has a right to link the salvation and future of the human race with the unconditional dominance of aristocratic values, Roman values.

How, on the other hand, did the Jews feel about Rome? A thousand signs tell us; but it suffices to recall the Apocalypse of John, the most wanton of all literary outbursts that vengefulness has on its conscience. (One should not underestimate the profound consistency of the Christian instinct when it signed this book of hate with the name of the disciple of love, the same disciple to whom it attributed that amorous-enthusiastic Gospel: there is a piece of truth in this, however much literary counterfeiting might have been required to produce it.) For the Romans were the strong and noble, and nobody stronger and nobler has yet existed on earth or ever been dreamed of: every remnant of them, every inscription gives delight, if only one divines what it was that was there at work. The Jews, on the contrary, were the priestly nation of ressentiment par excellence."

What is anti-Semitic about this quotation?

"With the French Revolution, Judea once again triumphed over the classical ideal, and this time in an even more profound and decisive sense: the last political noblesse in Europe, that of the French seventeenth and eighteenth century, collapsed beneath the popular instincts of ressentiment—greater rejoicing, more uproarious enthusiasm had never been heard on earth! To be sure, in the midst of it there occurred the most tremendous, the most unexpected thing: the ideal of antiquity itself stepped incarnate and in unheard-of splendor before the eyes and conscience of mankind—and once again, in opposition to the mendacious slogan of ressentiment, "supreme rights of the majority," in opposition to the will to the lowering, the abasement, the leveling and the decline and twilight of mankind, there sounder stronger, simpler, and more insistently than ever the terrible and rapturous counterslogan "supreme rights of the few"! Like a last signpost to the other path, Napoleon appeared, the most isolated and late-born man there has ever been, and in him the problem of the noble ideal as such made flesh—one might well ponder what kind of problem it is: Napoleon, this synthesis of the inhuman and superhuman."

What is anti-Semitic about this quotation?

"The Jews are the strangest people in world history because, confronted with the question whether to be or not to be, they chose, with a perfectly uncanny deliberateness, to be at any price: this price was the radical falsification of all nature, all naturalness, all reality, of the whole inner world as well as the outer. They defined themselves sharply against all the conditions under which a people had hitherto been able to live, been allowed to live; out of themselves they created a counter-concept to natural conditions—they turned religion, cult, morality, history, psychology, one after the other, into an incurable contradiction to their natural values. We encounter this same phenomenon once again and in immeasurably enlarged proportions, yet merely as a copy: the Christian church cannot make the slightest claim to originality when compared with the "holy people." That is precisely why the Jews are the most catastrophic people of world history: by their after-effect they have made mankind so thoroughly false that even today the Christian can feel anti-Jewish without realizing that he himself is the ultimate Jewish consequence."

What is anti-Semitic about this quotation?

"Epicurus fought: not paganism but "Christianity," by which I mean the corruption of souls by the concepts of guilt, punishment, and immortality.— He fought the subterranean cults which were exactly like a latent form of Christianity—to deny immortality was then nothing less than a real salvation.— And Epicurus would have won; every respectable spirit in the Roman Empire was an Epicurean: then Paul appeared ... Paul, the chandala hatred against Rome, against "the world," become flesh, become genius, the Jew, the eternal Jew par excellence ... "

What is anti-Semitic about this quotation?

"This was the most disastrous kind of megalomania that has yet existed on earth: little abortions of prigs and liars began to claim for themselves the concepts of God, truth, light, spirit, love, wisdom, life—as synonyms for themselves, as it were, in order to define themselves against "the world": little superlative Jews, ripe for every kind of madhouse, turned all values around in their own image, just as if "the Christian" alone were the meaning, the salt, the measure, also the Last Judgment, of all the rest ... The whole calamity became possible only because a related, racially related, kind of megalomania already existed in this world, the Jewish one: as soon as the cleft between the Jews and the Jewish Christians opened, no choice whatever remained to the latter but to apply against the Jews themselves the same procedures of self-preservation that the Jewish instinct recommended, whereas hitherto the Jews had applied them only against everything non-Jewish. The Christian is merely a Jew of "more liberal" persuasion."
What is anti-Semitic about this quotation?

[Gabrielle]

There is no question that he believed that, and I and many others think that he was correct. The problems arise when Christians like Gabrielle come onto this forum and attempt to discredit Nietzsche by any means necessary, instead of addressing the actual ideas he wrote about, and debating their merits. I had the impression that you were another such Christian-apologist Fade, and if that is not the case, then I apologize for my misperception.

First of all, I have kept away from debating religion and Nietzsche in this new forum.
Secondly, you keep knocking my school essay about Nietzsche, yet you show no specific mistakes or any lies. You have only misquoted or taken a sentence out of context.
Is that honest, or is that Jewish?

[FadeTheButcher]

This discussion has progressed pretty roughly over the course of this thread, because there are so many different stances and claims all being forwarded at the same time

Was Nietzsche an anti-Semite? Lets take a look:

“That anti-Semitism played such a major role in Nietzsche’s break with Wagner, his sister, and even his publisher; that he urged those closest to him to renounce anti-Semitism and suffered personal sacrifice for doing so; that his later writings show increased preoccupation with contemporary Jews, Christianity, and German nationalism; and that he raved against anti-Semites during the hours of his transition to insanity, make clear that the issue of anti-Semitism – and Nietzsche’s almost pathological response to it – was not a passing phase nor peripheral to his existence. However, the question as to why Nietzsche identified with the Jews, who only composed on percent of the population, remains unclear.

Most all commentators assert that Nietzsche had a strong empathy with the Jews because he viewed them as a suffering and creative people; thus, in his own painful and unique existence, personally identified with them. Others, such as Alfred Low, stress cultural and political elements. Low states that Nietzsche saw the Jews as political allies because the Jews, in Nietzsche’s own words, were “the most conservative power in an insecure and threatened Europe,” who had no use for “revolutions of socialism or militarism.” Low states that Nietzsche’s vehement aversion to anti-Semitism was not a private affair driven by a liking for individual Jews or the Jewish people as a whole; rather, Nietzsche saw anti-Semitism as a form of socialism, and thus viewed it as a slave revolt “against European culture, a movement destined to become the antipode of his own philosophy and the archenemy.”

Weaver Santaniello, Nietzsche, God, and the Jews (Albany, 1994) p.138

First, Fade, I have a distinct memory of you making christian apologist posts on the Original Dissent forum, though I am having a hard time locating them just now.

LOL I was banned from Original Dissent with the rest of the “Euro cabal” for attacking America and Christianity, as well as for suggesting the extinction of the Jews would be desirable. Anyone who posts at Original Dissent, such as Franco who is here, can confirm that.

My only claim regarding Nietzsche is that he declared that chritianity was a creation of the jews, and was dishonestly advanced by the jew Saul of Tarsus (aka "St. Paul") as a way to undermine the Roman Empire and weaken Aryans. Nietzsche clearly says as much in his book "The Antichrist".

That’s not what is in dispute here. What is in dispute is whether or not Nietzsche himself was personally an anti-Semite, which is preposterous given Nietzsche’s well-known vehement hatred and revulsion against anti-Semitism.

However, there are others on this thread who put forward the thesis that Nietzsche was anti-jew.

ROFL some of Nietzsche’s closest associates were Jews.

Now, in many of his writings, Nietzsche has negative things to say about anti-Semites, and there is a good case to be made that he may have been primarily referring to the christian hypocrisy of hating jews while worshipping one at the same time.

Nietzsche was opposed to anti-Semitism period. This includes anti-Christian anti-Semites like Eugen Dühring who he attacked in On the Geneaology of Morals.

There is also a case to be made that Nietzsche had mixed feelings about the Jews, on one hand admiring their ethnocentric, practical religion and their success in business and academia, and on the other hand, despising them for their creation and promotion of the "slave morality" and "inversion of values" that was stifling the rise of the superman.

As I pointed out before, Nietzsche even admired the Jewish transvaluation of values as an example of unlimited will to power.

I have heard that Nietzsche postulated that the Superman would be a combination Aryan/Jew race, but then in his later works, he writes of the "Blond Beast" as the epitome of the "Master Morality".

LOL

“One cannot fail to see at the bottom of all these noble races the beast of prey, the splendid blond beast prowling about avidly in search of spoil and victory; this hidden core needs to erupt from time to time, the animal has to get out again and go back to the wilderness: the Roman, Arabian, Germanic, Japanese nobility, the Homeric heroes, the Scandinavian Vikings--they all shared this need (Kaufmann 40-41).”

Nietzsche considered this blond beast to be as much Roman or Arabian as Aryan, yet Nazis failed to understand Nietzsche's point.

http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/core/nietzsche/n_words.html

The main question with many things related to Nietzsche seems to be: "Did his views change over time?"

Nietzsche was vehemently opposed to anti-Semitism.

“The ironic twist is exemplified in a suppressed letter written at that time in which Nietzsche complained: “Nothing stands more in the way of my influence than for the name Nietzsche to be associated with anti-Semites such as E. Dühring.”

Weaver Santaniello, Nietzsche, God, and the Jews (Albany, 1994) p.112

I think there is a good case to be made that, yes, his views towards jews may have changed over time, and he may have become more anti-semitic.

ROFL even on the verge of insanity Nietzsche was ranting that he was going to have all the anti-Semites shot.

You must remember that in his next-to-last book, "The Antichrist", he made numerous and powerful indictments of the jews, but no positive comments about them or indictments of anti-Semites that I can recall. Some examples

Nietzsche attacks the elements of ancient Judaism that are associated with and gave rise to Christianity. That is NOT in itself anti-Semitism, much less any indication that he advocated anti-Semitism against present day Jews.

Also, in the last book he wrote "Ecce Homo", I cannot recall any mention of the jews at all... but it has been a long time since I have read his books.

Once and for all, tell us the name of the scholar who has suggested Nietzsche was an anti-Semite.

The fact is, there is a good case to be made for the idea that Nietzsche's views may have changed some over time regarding the jews and their role in our society, and that he may have come to be more anti-semitic, and less philo-semitic as time went on.

Show us the evidence.

It would certainly make sense that his later works would be more representative of his stance on various issues, and it is no secret that "The Antichrist" is very anti-jewish, as evidenced by the quotes I've provided above, as well as those provided by The Red Baron and others.

Non Sequitur.

All that being said, my only original purpose in posting here was to show that Nietzsche believed that christianity was created and spread by jews like Saul of Tarsus to undermine Rome and weaken gentiles.

This makes Nietzsche an anti-Semite how?

For years it has been fashionable to claim that Nietzsche was a philo-Semite, but I think it's clear that there is a very good case to be made that his views changed over time, and that he became more and more anti-semitic as his life went on.

ROFL

Perhaps his romantic interest in the jewess caused him to be more philo-Semitic in his earlier years... I don't know.

. . . whom he proposed marriage to.

What I do know is that when people come onto this forum and try to claim that Nietzsche was a philo-Semite, while purposely ignoring his anti-Semitic sentiments, and overlooking the possibility that his views may have changed over time to become more anti-Semitic, well... I consider that to be dishonest debate tactics.

Wait a second. YOU are plucking quotations out of Nietzsche’s writings and describing them as anti-Semitic. Nietzsche himself did not regard them as being anti-Semitic.

Regardless, I do not consider any of that to be materially relevant to the FACT that Nietzsche considered christianity to be psycho-spiritual poison brewed and spread by the jews to undermine Rome and weaken and enslave gentiles.

Do you think race-mixing with the Jews is a good idea? Nietzsche did. :p

There is no question that he believed that, and I and many others think that he was correct. The problems arise when Christians like Gabrielle come onto this forum and attempt to discredit Nietzsche by any means necessary, instead of addressing the actual ideas he wrote about, and debating their merits. I had that impression that you were another such Christian-apologist Fade, and if that is not the case, then I apologize for my misperception.

Martin Luther, a Christian, was BY FAR more anti-Semitic than Nietzsche ever was.

That being said, let us proceed and address that actual issue of Nietzsche's views on jews and whether they changed over time.

First, it is pertinent to discuss Nietzsche’s views on anti-Semitism. Nietzsche hated anti-Semitism with a passion and fought for years against anti-Semites. Nietzsche criticized some aspects of ancient Judaism in his writings – that is true – it does not follows from such quotations that Nietzsche considered his criticism to be anti-Semitic in nature.

[FadeTheButcher]

This is the kind of shit that I can't stand Fade... you should know very well that the above quote from "Human, all too Human" was written by Nietzsche in 1878, and then he expressed the EXACT OPPOSITE sentiment in "The Antichrist" which he wrote in 1888, ten years later.

Where did Nietzsche suggest that he was expressing the "exact opposite sentiment" about the Jews in The Antichrist as opposed to Human, all too Human? YOU are seeing "anti-Semitism" in his criticism of some aspects of ancient Judaism - not Nietzsche himself.

Who are you trying to kid here?

You are not going to pass off a non sequitur on your readers by ascribing to Nietzsche an anti-Semitic motive in The Antichrist he himself never stated he possessed while I am here.

Are you really trying to pretend that the ideas expressed by a philosopher in an earlier book are a more accurate representation of his sentiments than a book written by the same man TEN YEARS LATER?

Show me evidence that Nietzsche considered his criticisms of the Jews in The Antichrist to be anti-Semitic.

[FadeTheButcher]

Having a major hissy fit, eh? You forgot to put in a LOL, or a ROFL or two, asshole. Get lost, kike.

Eat any human flesh today Gott? Worship any rocks? :p

[Bardamu]

LOL I was banned from Original Dissent with the rest of the “Euro cabal” for attacking America and Christianity, as well as for suggesting the extinction of the Jews would be desirable. Anyone who posts at Original Dissent, such as Franco who is here, can confirm that.





I remember the thread. Fade was banned for suggesting the extinction of jews would be desirable. Leland Gaunt was banned for remaining unflappable as he flammed his opponents to cinders.

[Gott]

[QUOTE=The Red Baron]Fuck you FadeTheButcher. Calling Jews the most catastrophic people of history is anti-Semitic you panty waste.

He's a stinking jew - just here to do exactly what he's doing. He has no interest whatsoever in learning anything, seeing things from a new perspective, being open to any other viewpoint or having a fair minded but respectful difference of opinion. He is here to spoil, twist, misrepresent, confuse and disrupt - the total kike.

This place attracts such filth, because garbage like felch thinks it will be an easy ride, what with few rules and all. This kike should be, I think, dumped in the opposition forum along with the likes of Dozer and any other niggers and kikes who come here looking to mess things up. Let them piss all over each other in there and when they get tired of that, they can sting each other to death with their venom.

Your command of Nietzsche is impressive - this whole thread has been a great learning experience not only for the quotes but the really supple ways in which a number of you guys have worked with them. So fair minded too. Excepting this disgusting kike, of course.

[FadeTheButcher]

Fuck you FadeTheButcher.

Oh, welcome back Red Baron. I suppose you are still recovering from the routing you received above.

Calling Jews the most catastrophic people of history is anti-Semitic you panty waste.

Provide empirical evidence that Nietzsche HIMSELF, a man who hated anti-Semitism both before and after writing The Antichrist, considered his statement to be “anti-Semitic” or have your absurd proposition dismissed as arbitrary.

There is a scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where the Nazi archaeologist says to Indy, "How odd that it should end this way for us after so many stimulating encounters. I almost regret it. Where shall I find a new adversary so close to my own level?"

This is an example of the logical fallacy known as Red Herring.

This attitude, respect for one's enemy, is what Nietzsche held for the Jews.

“Most all commentators assert that Nietzsche had a strong empathy with the Jews because he viewed them as a suffering and creative people; thus, in his own painful and unique existence, personally identified with them. Others, such as Alfred Low, stress cultural and political elements. Low states that Nietzsche saw the Jews as political allies because the Jews, in Nietzsche’s own words, were “the most conservative power in an insecure and threatened Europe,” who had no use for “revolutions of socialism or militarism.” Low states that Nietzsche’s vehement aversion to anti-Semitism was not a private affair driven by a liking for individual Jews or the Jewish people as a whole; rather, Nietzsche saw anti-Semitism as a form of socialism, and thus viewed it as a slave revolt “against European culture, a movement destined to become the antipode of his own philosophy and the archenemy.”

Weaver Santaniello, Nietzsche, God, and the Jews (Albany, 1994) p.138

LOL, pwnd

Nietzsche felt that this was the posture of a strong and noble man who enjoyed conflict but was secure in his superiority. He derides the Germans for wanting to expel the Jews, as if they are afraid to be destroyed by a superior race.

Nietzsche advocated race-mixing with the Jews in Beyond Good and Evil. This begs the question, why would an anti-Semite DESIRE miscegenation with Jews? The answer of course is that Nietzsche was not himself an anti-Semite, that he hated anti-Semites like his publisher and his brother-in-law, that Red Baron is simply a misguided fool who distorts history and philosophy, albeit in ignorance, to pass off his lies onto his readers.

That is the reaction of a weak people, Nietzsche claimed. The Jews deserve respect for reversing all values, taking over the media, etc., but they are not less hatable villains for it. One should not close their eyes to their enemy, pretending he is not there. One should face the enemy directly.

Actually, it is Red Baron that hates the Jews. It is Red Baron, the anti-Semite, who sees the Jews as his enemy. Red Baron projects his own prejudices onto Nietzsche who, as we have demonstrated, loathed anti-Semites like Red Baron.
Nietzsche praised the Jews as being stubborn and full of vitality despite having squinting and crooked souls. As for his suggestion that Jews could be part of a new European master race bred from all European nationalities, I don't think I can apologize for this too much.

It is undeniable that Nietzsche sought miscegenation with Jews, that many of his closest associates were Jews, like the woman he sought to marry Lou Salomé, his friend Paul Rée, and his assistant Peter Gast. On the contrary, Nietzsche broke with Richard Wagner in large part because of his anti-Semitism, his publisher, and his sister who married an anti-Semite Nietzsche despised.
Nietzsche hated the Jews, realized the nature of race, but he loved the concept of the superman, which he held more dearly than anti-Semitism.
What scholar says Nietzsche hated the Jews?

Oh, and I must have forgot last time:

GG, you lose.

[FadeTheButcher]

You know Fade, Hitler once sent a letter to a JEW doctor thanking him for attending to his mother after she contracted a terminal illness. I guess Hitler loved the Jews! You show me evidence that he felt the holocaust was anti-Semitic! You know, you've never been explicit about your point in this entire thread. Shall we dismiss the entire Nietzsche canon, which you've read for some reason (even "On Music and Words"?)? I'm done with you, as I suspect many others are. Perhaps you should change your handle and learn to make friends.

Leave it to Red Baron to post yet another False Analogy and Red Herring in this thread, amongst several of his other logical fallacies to date. Perhaps I should keep a running tally for future reference.

[FadeTheButcher]

He's a stinking jew - just here to do exactly what he's doing.

Oh, the tree-worshiper is back. Shoot any rats today Gott?

He has no interest whatsoever in learning anything, seeing things from a new perspective, being open to any other viewpoint or having a fair minded but respectful difference of opinion. He is here to spoil, twist, misrepresent, confuse and disrupt - the total kike.

I forgive you Gott. I will admit, it does take a few years for philosophy to reach your part of the swamp. :p

This place attracts such filth, because garbage like felch thinks it will be an easy ride, what with few rules and all.

Did you get your mom any teeth for Christmas Gott?

This kike should be, I think, dumped in the opposition forum along with the likes of Dozer and any other niggers and kikes who come here looking to mess things up. Let them piss all over each other in there and when they get tired of that, they can sting each other to death with their venom.

Well, being white trash, I suspect Gott would know more about niggers than myself. They are, after all, his neighbours.

Your command of Nietzsche is impressive - this whole thread has been a great learning experience not only for the quotes but the really supple ways in which a number of you guys have worked with them. So fair minded too. Excepting this disgusting kike, of course.

Eat any worms today Gott, you fucking savage? :p

[Fredrik Haerne]

The Christian fanatic is still at it, I see? As I read through the posts I note that it has been proven beyond doubt that Nietzsche did not like the Jews, the bringers of slave morality (as anyone can learn from his books), and that his stance hardened over time.

And as we all know, one can make friends with an individual of another race without becoming a lover of that race. Why, I know a few Arabs myself who make it into my highest category for non-Whites, LKTL (Let's Kill Them Last).

And yet, Fanatic Fade presses on pretending he hasn't read one bit of what has been posted here. All the while keeping up with his silly "that's a fallacy!" to pretend he is a superior debator. We could turn it around and say "that's a fallacy" to everything he writes as well, but why bother? He's just happy for any attention he can get. *pats Fade on head*

[Gabrielle]

FadeTheButcher has put all you cry babies to shame! LOL. And he doesn’t even have to lie or distort the truth like certain other people do – of course, I would never name names!
FadeTheButcher belongs in the same category as Pat Buchanan, Joseph Sobran, and Charlie Reese.
Aren’t we lucky to have such a great scholar and honest man on VNN? :)

[Fredrik Haerne]

FadeTheButcher belongs in the same category as Pat Buchanan, Joseph Sobran, and Charlie Reese.

Wow! Interesting to hear even a CI criticize Fanatic Fade! In this case by comparing him to men who don't dare name the Jew! Yes, I think we all agree: just like the conned-servatives Buchanan, Sobran and Reese, Fade misses the target.

[FadeTheButcher]

The Christian fanatic is still at it, I see?

I am not a Christian you fucking moron.

As I read through the posts I note that it has been proven beyond doubt that Nietzsche did not like the Jews. . .

That is precisely why Nietzsche disassociated himself with anti-Semites (Wagner, Schmeitzner, Förster) and associated himself with Jews like Peter Gast, why he attacked anti-Semites throughout his career (Christian and anti-Christian), and why he sought miscegenation with Jews. The secret motivation as Fredrik has informed us was anti-Semitism all along! Nietzsche's biographers, translators, Nietzsche himself, and closest associates have it all wrong!

the bringers of slave morality (as anyone can learn from his books)

Nietzsche actually admired the Jews, as I noted before, for bringing about the transvaluation of values.

and that his stance hardened over time.

What circus does Fredrik Haerne and the other loony toons and white trash freaks in this thread come from?

And as we all know, one can make friends with an individual of another race without becoming a lover of that race.

Once again, what scholar says Nietzsche hated the Jews? Tell us.

Why, I know a few Arabs myself who make it into my highest category for non-Whites, LKTL (Let's Kill Them Last).

Red Herring.

And yet, Fanatic Fade presses on pretending he hasn't read one bit of what has been posted here.

What has been posted here, aside from my demolition of the above arguments, are quotations from Nietzsche taken out of context by lay readers.

All the while keeping up with his silly "that's a fallacy!" to pretend he is a superior debator.

I am the superior debator here.

We could turn it around and say "that's a fallacy" to everything he writes as well, but why bother? He's just happy for any attention he can get. *pats Fade on head*

By the way, the thread about the Vikings is next Fredrik. It looks like I have mopped up here for now. Perhaps I am speaking too soon though. Gott might of course post something puerile yet again at any moment.

[FadeTheButcher]

Wow! Interesting to hear even a CI criticize Fanatic Fade! In this case by comparing him to men who don't dare name the Jew! Yes, I think we all agree: just like the conned-servatives Buchanan, Sobran and Reese, Fade misses the target.

Fredrik is continuing his campaign of distortions and lies I see. I have no problem gassing every single Jew on Earth myself. It would not bother me in the slightest, as I am not a Christian or a moralist by any means. I am bothered however by the gross misrepresentations of history and philosophy going on here.

[no_nomen]

Oh, and I must have forgot last time:

GG, you lose.

I wonder exactly what it is that FADE thinks GG has lost!


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[Fredrik Haerne]

This is just too funny!

I am not a Christian you fucking moron.

Fanatic Fade is heating up, I see!

That is precisely why Nietzsche disassociated himself with anti-Semites, bla, bla, bla

Ah, too bad he continues to pretend he hasn't seen a word of what people have written in this thread.

Nietzsche actually admired the Jews, as I noted before, for bringing about the transvaluation of values.

Is Fade now suggesting that Nietzsche supported the slave morality? *LOL* That's just too much! Nietzsche has become the anti-Nietzsche! Shows just how Fade treats the facts.

Well, ahem, as has been pointed out many times, and as even a child could understand, Nietzsche simply admired them for being worthy adversaries. How more clearly could one say this? How obvious is it not that he would never appreciate that Jews brought on the slave morality, the very thing he spent his life fighting?

What circus does Fredrik Haerne and the other loony toons and white trash freaks in this thread come from?

The typical "I'm such a superior intellectual" attitude that litters nationalism in the West. "The rest of you are all just dirty skinheads!"

Red Herring.

As I wrote earlier: he keeps attaching his "logical fallacies" to everything other people write.


quotations from Nietzsche taken out of context by lay readers.

Ah, we see again: "I'm superior! You are all just amateurs!"

I am the superior debator here.

Wow! He even comes out and admits he is a snob! I rest my case. That was too easy, though.


By the way, the thread about the Vikings is next Fredrik.

Ooooooh!

*S* We note again Fade's strange snobbery, his self-centered worldview. He writes as if he imagines himself the doom to all opponents, someone who would make others shiver. Preferably he should have another poster announcing him before he starts writing in a thread. "Bow before Fade!" And then when he has laid down his emotion-based reasoning, which ignores everything that others say, the announcer would tell us that "Fade has now won and left the thread!"
Anyone feel up to the task?

[FadeTheButcher]

This is just too funny!

I agree.

Fanatic Fade is heating up, I see!

Fredrik Haerne, your mother looks quite lovely, how much do you want for the old bag? You are Swedish right? The Swedes have an old habit of selling their women.

Ah, too bad he continues to pretend he hasn't seen a word of what people have written in this thread.

Fredrik cites the jejune interpretations of out-of-context quotations by lay readers who do not understand Nietzsche's philosophy. This is of course necessary since he has yet to cite an ounce of scholarly evidence to back up his assertions.

Is Fade now suggesting that Nietzsche supported the slave morality? *LOL* That's just too much!

See the above post. You could respond to it of course, but wait, you can't. :p

Nietzsche has become the anti-Nietzsche! Shows just how Fade treats the facts.

A bizarre interpretation from Fredrik.

The typical "I'm such a superior intellectual" attitude that litters nationalism in the West. "The rest of you are all just dirty skinheads!"

Are you a skinhead Fredrik?

As I wrote earlier: he keeps attaching his "logical fallacies" to everything other people write.

Fredrik is sensitive about the errors in his reasoning.

Ah, we see again: "I'm superior! You are all just amateurs!"

Yeah, basically.

Wow! He even comes out and admits he is a snob! I rest my case. That was too easy, though.

Well, it is the truth.

Ooooooh!

I wonder if any of Fredrik's ancestors ever ended up in Islamic harems.

*S* We note again Fade's strange snobbery, his self-centered worldview. He writes as if he imagines himself the doom to all opponents, someone who would make others shiver. Preferably he should have another poster announcing him before he starts writing in a thread. "Bow before Fade!" And then when he has laid down his emotion-based reasoning, which ignores everything that others say, the announcer would tell us that "Fade has now won and left the thread!"
Anyone feel up to the task?

Do you eat bark Fredrik? :p

[Bardamu]

"The Jews are the strangest people in world history because, confronted with the question whether to be or not to be, they chose, with a perfectly uncanny deliberateness, to be at any price: this price was the radical falsification of all nature, all naturalness, all reality, of the whole inner world as well as the outer. They defined themselves sharply against all the conditions under which a people had hitherto been able to live, been allowed to live; out of themselves they created a counter-concept to natural conditions—they turned religion, cult, morality, history, psychology, one after the other, into an incurable contradiction to their natural values. We encounter this same phenomenon once again and in immeasurably enlarged proportions, yet merely as a copy: the Christian church cannot make the slightest claim to originality when compared with the "holy people." That is precisely why the Jews are the most catastrophic people of world history: by their after-effect they have made mankind so thoroughly false that even today the Christian can feel anti-Jewish without realizing that he himself is the ultimate Jewish consequence."



That is precisely why the Jews are the most catastrophic people of world history: by their after-effect they have made mankind so thoroughly false that even today the Christian can feel anti-Jewish without realizing that he himself is the ultimate Jewish consequence.

This is an anti-semitic statement. At the same time, it is also true that Nietzsche despised German anti-semites. Both of you guys are right and if you could just refrain from baiting each other with the little end of sentence insults this wouldnt turn into a grudge match. Not that it makes any difference to me. Nietzsche was so inconsistent it is not even appropriate to call him a philosopher. He is some kind of poet madman. But it is understandable. ONe could fairly easily make anti-semitic statements and despise anti-semites. We all have to know that is true. lol.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Are you a skinhead Fredrik?

Ehh, what on earth would this have to do with anything? Then again, with Fade it's not easy to know.

Fredrik is sensitive about the errors in his reasoning.

*L* Fade, have you noticed how noone has turned that "logical fallacy" thing against the many glaring errors in your reasoning? It's because using that stuff excessively, like you do, is just a way to show how oh-so-important you are. It doesn't impress anyone. It's quite the laughing matter, actually.


Ah, we see again: "I'm superior! You are all just amateurs!"

Yeah, basically.

As this shows, work these people enough, and eventually they can't resist the temptation: they will come out of the closet and tell people that yes, they do indeed think they are the best and the greatest in the world. You know the type. These boys get their noses broken in the schoolyard simply because they are such stuck-up idiots; the internet is a blessing for them.

I wonder if any of Fredrik's ancestors ever ended up in Islamic harems.

*L* As normal people understand, if my ancestors had not lived in Europa, I could not have been born. Ah, this is way too easy. Fanatic Fade is crashing.

[Grand_Inquisitor]

Nietzsche isn't worth reading. Read some cooking recipies --they have been overlooked by so many people who focus on this wierdo Nietzsche.

[FadeTheButcher]

Fade, you misunderstand me. What I am referring to is when Nietzsche called Christ "the noblest human being", and then spent the whole of "The Antichrist" attacking Christianity.

Furthermore, while the subject is fresh back on my mind, it should be noted that one of the things Nietzsche despised more than anything else were those who cherry-picked quotes out of his writings to serve their own agendas while rejecting the whole. I also haven't seen anyone in this thread mention the fact either that Nietzsche's fundamental philosophical thought was the eternal recurrence of the same from which everything else followed. That's right. Even Christianity is necessary because EVERYTHING RECURS.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Furthermore, while the subject is fresh back on my mind, it should be noted that one of the things Nietzsche despised more than anything else were those who cherry-picked quotes out of his writings to serve their own agendas while rejecting the whole.

Umm...like you have done?

I suppose we need to post Nietzsche's books in their entirety here, then!

I also haven't seen anyone in this thread mention the fact either that Nietzsche's fundamental philosophical thought was the eternal recurrence of the same from which everything else followed.

Naw, not fundamental, but it was important sometimes. But who cares? You think we agree with exactly everything Nietzsche wrote? Yeesh.

[FadeTheButcher]

Umm...like you have done?

I have posted quotes from Nietzsche. However, unlike yourself, I most certainly have not taken them out of their context. I have not tried to make up the lie that Nietzsche was an anti-Semite by distorting his words. You don't see me trying to pass off the lie that Nietzsche was a fan of Christianity. I am no fan of the Jews myself, but I am not going to abuse Nietzsche's philosophy and deceive my readers as you have done. Some of us, unlike yourself, have integrity Fredrik Haerne.

I suppose we need to post Nietzsche's books in their entirety here, then!

There is quite a difference between posting quotes from Nietzsche, within their context, and taking arbitrary quotes from Nietzsche while rejecting much of the rest of his philosophy. You simply cannot accept Nietzsche's attack on Christianity as a ressentiment ideology and ignore his criticism of anti-Semitism which is made on the same grounds. That's hypocrisy, but then again, that suits you now doesn't it Fredrik Haerne?

Naw, not fundamental, but it was important sometimes. But who cares?

The eternal return of the same IS Nietzsche's fundamental thought. It is the greatest burden to bear, from which EVERYTHING else follows. Nietzsche's entire philosophy is derived from the eternal return of the same.

"Nietzsche's fundamental metaphysical position is captured in his doctrine of the eternal return of the same."

-- Martin Heidegger, Nietzsche, Volume II: The Eternal Recurrence of the Same (Pfulligen, 1961), translated by David Farrel Krell, p.5

“In opposition to all the disparate kinds of confusion and perplexity vis-à-vis Nietzsche’s doctrine of return, we must say at the outset, and initially purely in the form of an assertion, that the doctrine of the eternal return of the same is the fundamental doctrine in Nietzsche’s philosophy. Bereft of this teaching as its ground, Nietzsche’s philosophy is like a tree without roots. But if the doctrine of return is sundered and removed to one side as a “theory,” is observed as a compilation of assertions, then the resulting product is like a deracinated root, torn from the soil and chopped from the trunk, so that it is no longer a root that roots, no longer a doctrine that serves as the fundamental teaching, but merely an eccentricity.”

-- Martin Heidegger, Nietzsche, Volume II: The Eternal Recurrence of the Same (Pfulligen, 1961), translated by David Farrel Krell, p.6

Nietzsche always considered Thus Spoke Zarathustra to be his most important work. In Ecce Homo, Nietzsche reveals the essence of Zarathustra.

“I shall now relate the history of Zarathustra. The basic conception of the work, the thought of eternal return, the highest formula of affirmation that can ever be achieved, originates in the month of August in the year 1881. It is jotted on a page signed with the phrase “6,000 feet beyond humanity and time.” On the day I wrote it I had gone walking in the woods by the lake of Silvaplana. By a mightily towering pyramidal boulder not far from Surlei I stopped. The thought came to me then.”

Nietzsche, Ecce Homo, (XV, 85)

You think we agree with exactly everything Nietzsche wrote? Yeesh.

LOL that's what I thought. You simply take what you please from Nietzsche to suit what fits your own distorted worldview while ignoring entirely his reasoning.

[Fredrik Haerne]

I have posted quotes from Nietzsche. However, unlike yourself, I most certainly have not taken them out of their context.

*ROTFLOL*

I have not tried to make up the lie that Nietzsche was an anti-Semite by distorting his words.

*S* Ahem, his condemnations of the Jews are so forceful that they hardly need to be repeated. Again. However, I understand if you have the need to pretend they don't exist. It's not easy for those with small brains to change their worldviews.

Some of us, unlike yourself, have integrity Fredrik Haerne.

Some of us, unlike yourself, have intelligence Fanatic Fade. :)


That's hypocrisy, but then again, that suits you now doesn't it Fredrik Haerne?

That's not understanding a word Nietzsche says, but then again, that suits you now doesn't it Fanatic Fade? :p

It just sounds so funny when you have the need to write my name again and again at the end of the ... "arguments" you make. That is a sure sign that you are sitting at the edge of your seat, frothing with suppressed aggression, looking for an outlet. The way you write shows that over and over again.


The eternal return of the same IS Nietzsche's fundamental thought.

"Behold, I teach you the overman. The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth!"
--Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra

Is his fundamental thought "eternal return," the noble morality, a better man, or simply to show us the harm Christianity made when it destroyed Paganism? Who knows? Not you, my dear Fade, that's for sure. But I'm equally sure you think you know.


Nietzsche always considered Thus Spoke Zarathustra to be his most important work. In Ecce Homo, Nietzsche reveals the essence of Zarathustra.

"Behold, I teach you the overman. The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth!"
--Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra



You simply take what you please from Nietzsche to suit what fits your own distorted worldview while ignoring entirely his reasoning.

*S* Poor little Fade. So obsessed with hating others that you never see yourself.

[Craig Smith]

This thread needed a resurrection. Better it than Half-Roman Jesus Christ!

[Europe Endless]

1. There is quite a difference between posting quotes from Nietzsche, within their context, and taking arbitrary quotes from Nietzsche while rejecting much of the rest of his philosophy. You simply cannot accept Nietzsche's attack on Christianity as a ressentiment ideology and ignore his criticism of anti-Semitism which is made on the same grounds.

2. The eternal return of the same IS Nietzsche's fundamental thought. It is the greatest burden to bear, from which EVERYTHING else follows. Nietzsche's entire philosophy is derived from the eternal return of the same.

"Nietzsche's fundamental metaphysical position is captured in his doctrine of the eternal return of the same." - Martin Heidegger

1. Nietzsche's attack on anti-Semitism as a ressentiment ideology is an attack on Christian anti-Semitism as a ressentiment ideology. Would he call National Socialism and its essential anti-Semitism a ressentiment ideology? That's difficult to answer because it's a question as to the reality of National Socialism and of the perception of it (by Nietzsche hypothetically). Then again, Tacitus was an anti-Semite. Hell, back then everyone who encountered Jews became anti-Semites and clearly not because they "resented" them in the passive-aggressive Judeo-Christian sense of the term. As I see it, Nietzsche and most Nazis leaders were anti-Semites in the old pre-Christian and pre-Muslim tradition.

2. Heidegger also said that eternal recurrence and will to power express essentially the same idea: a cyclical and expansive process of power overcoming power. It's hard to dispute that because these seem to be implicitly assumed in everything he writes.

[Fredrik Haerne]

This thread needed a resurrection. Better it than Half-Roman Jesus Christ!

If a thread is worthy of surviving it will survive on its own. Let's not see threads go on forever and take all the space just because people adopt the "bumping" posting stuff going on in internet forums.

[friedrich braun]

This post has already been posted on another forum, but I thinks it's relevant here as well.

Thoughts on Nietzsche and National Socialism.

It is the Jew Kaufmann and others in the post-war period that have distorted Nietzsche. Nietzsche's sister knew her brother and his philosophy INTIMATELY. She set up the Nietzsche Archive and got generous funding from Hitler's government [whereas the previous 'democratic' Weimar government impoverished it]. It is thanks to Nietzsche's sister that we have a complete edition of Nietzsche's writings. In the last years of his life Nietzsche was planning to publish his magnus opus The Will To Power; his letters, notebooks and various comments from his friends show that the work was in a very advanced state. It was only Nietzsche's untimely collapse in his mid-40s [while running to the rescue of a horse who was being beaten by his owner] that prevented its ultimate completion. His sister was completely right to publish the unfinished masterpiece as she did. As a general point - we do not have Aristotle's finished works; his treatises are largely lecture notes. The Presocratic philosophers [Nietzsche's favourites] have only come down to us in fragments - and not written in their own hand. So let us not fall for this Jewish deception regarding Nietzsche. He was THE philosopher of National Socialism/Fascism.

Only three books were enshrined in the Tannenberg Memorial in 1933: Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra, Rosenberg's Myth of the 20th Century, and Hitler's Mein Kampf. That act of singular homage shows how important Nietzsche was to National Socialism. The world renowned philosopher Martin Heidegger [NSDAP member] gave a mammoth series of lectures on Nietzsche in the 1930s which place Nietzsche's concepts to the very centre of National Socialism [and are now available in a 2 volume book called 'Nietzsche' for those interested in this philosophy]. The fact that Nietzsche liked Heine [a jew] does not disqualify - Hitler liked the music of Brahms! Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil deals in part with contemporary politics, while Book IV of The Will to Power [called 'Discipline and Breeding' is all about politics!]. See also Nietzsche's early essay 'The Greek State' to understand his political stance [which was elitist, anti-democratic and anti-liberal, rather like fascism]. There's passage in Zarathustra where Nietzsche refers to the democratic 'State' of his own time, a state which PRETENDS to be of the people. He found Bismarck's State to be: "founded on the most thread-bare and despised ideas: equal rights and universal suffrage". [Nietzsche WP 742]

Nietzsche envisaged a military dictatorship ruled by an elite as his ideal. "The maintenance of the military state is the last means of all of acquiring or maintaining the great tradition with regard to the supreme type of man, the strong type". [Nietzsche WP 729] Remember that Nietzsche's rejection was of contemporary PARTY politics and liberal democracy. He was always pushing for what he called 'Great Politics', and regarded the breeding of a new European Ruling Caste as the most important project. This Nietzschean conception can be seen in the SS, for example. I think 'Super-Human' is the best translation of 'Uebermensch' in most cases, simply because this is the term used twice in Byron's Manfred which clearly inspired Nietzsche's use of the term. Alfred Rosenberg is usually referred to as the in-house philosopher of National Socialism. That the only pre-Nazi philosopher placed in the Tannenberg was Nietzsche demonstrates something! Not Schopenhauer, not Hegel, not Kant - but Nietzsche! This is a fact, not an opinion. The Left may call that 'appropriation', but that means nothing; it is a fact that fascism and nazism were both influenced BY Nietzsche. Moreover, Nietzsche was not [is not] considered a respectable academic philosopher; so if all the Nazis wanted was credibility [and hence to 'appropriate' a philosopher] they would NOT have chosen Nietzsche [rather Hegel, Kant etc.,] Who is THE philosopher [pre-cursor of course, as Nietzsche died in 1900] of National Socialism? That Nietzsche enjoyed the German-Jewish poet Heine means nothing, as Hitler himself enjoyed the music of the German-Jewish composer Mahler! Nietzsche hated the CHRISTIAN anti-Semitism of HIS TIME. He tried to make the Christian anti-Semites aware that their own creed was of Jewish roots; in this he was like Himmler, Bormann and Rosenberg. Nietzsche pitted Semite against Aryan in his work: "Judea versus Rome"! Nietzsche was a prime influence on the Italian Futurists and on Mussolini. Also, look at the work of Julius Evola - this is Nietzschean, fascist elitism. Fascism sought to create the New Man - a kind of Super Human. Nietzsche admired the Roman Empire above all other political forms - so did Mussolini. Nietzscheanism is NOT individualism - Ubermensche means Super Human. An Aristocracy is a group, an elite - NOT an individual. How could they breed without being a race? Nietzsche always spoke of a Master Race, a group of Free Spirits etc., It is the post-war liberal distortion of Nietzsche that has tried [miserably] to make him an existentialist/individualist.

Those who disagree with the above should read Book IV of 'The Will To Power' [entitled 'Discipline and Breeding']. That liberals such as Kaufmann are the dominant translators of Nietzsche in English in the post-war period indicates that a liberal reading [distortion] of Nietzsche has occurred after WWII. This was a rehabilitation - a denazification if you like. As proof, compare this to the pre-WWI [one] reading of Nietzsche in England, where eugenicists pre-dominated. If we look at Nietzsche the MAN we see that he constantly craved to find a small group of like-minds [see his relations with Ree, Gast and Salome to name a few]. He belonged to Germanic associations at University and there is some speculation that he was an initiate in a secret order or society. He wanted a Brotherhood of the 'Joyful Wisdom' to propagate his philosophy - unfortunately there was no one in his day who understood him.

[friedrich braun]

Nietzsche's view of society was hierarchical - great Artist Tyrants dominating at the top [Leadership Principle as in fascism]; an Aristocracy of Breeding round them and the masses below. This is similar to the basic Aryan division of society -- where the Aryan male is master and ruler. Such an arrangement has transmogrified today into a global racial hierarchy. For Nietzsche only Blood [race] could deliver Nobility - nothing else. Nietzsche spoke of a great chain of becoming and recurring cycles - all of us are connected by that chain.

When I don't read Nietzsche in its German original (as Nietzsche should be read), I prefer the translations made in the late 19th/early 20th century. I feel they are nearer to Nietzsche in spirit as well in time. However I do use the modern translations, but only for comparison/modification where necessary. While I agree that Kaufmann sins mainly in his self-serving and politically correct notes, I cannot help but think that such a liberal jew would also - even if unconsciously - slant a translation that way as well.

Many of the early translators were elitists, racialists, anti-feminists and eugenicists [such as Anthony Ludoici, James Kennedy, Alexander Tille] and one of them [Helen Zimmern] even knew Nietzsche and was asked by him to translate his work. Indeed, on the latter point, Nietzsche also asked Strindberg to translate some of his books [he declined]; therefore the perspective of the translator is important [see also Mencken's translations]. There will always be a bias, and I would rather the bias be my way.

A lot of nonsense is talked about Nietzsche's sister's tampering with his works. The Will to Power was near completion, and if his nationalist and anti-Semitic sister was intent on removing everything she disagreed with [as the executrix of his works], then we would not have the anti-German and pro-Jewish references within them. I know the latter point is a problem for modern Nationalists in the Anglo-Saxon world today. It was not such a problem to Hitler and his circle because Germany is the home of philosophy. Germans understood that a philosopher must thoroughly test all his ideas and opinions; a philosopher is not a mere ideologist. Nietzsche's early work was written when he was an associate of Wagner; he then shared Wagner's anti-Semitism and German nationalism. However, he felt the Master's domination over-much and did not want to become a mere propagandist for the Wagnerites. This led him to break with Wagner - this could only be done by a rejection of Wagner's values. In his book Human all too Human, Nietzsche "took sides against himself". Every position he had once held he argued against. He criticised the Germans and praised the French; he also found good things to say about the jews, knowing that this would cause a break with Wagner. When the Master received his copy of Nietzsche's book he read a few pages and set it aside forbidding the name of Nietzsche to be said in his house, while his wife Cosima said that "the Jews have got to Nietzsche." But as Nietzsche's career went on, and he wrote Zarathustra and the rest, it became clear where his true position lay. He was against the narrow, petty nationalism which led eventually to White nations fighting each other; Nietzsche advocated a wider nationalism of the Good European [a precursor of today's White nationalism?]. As I mentioned before, the anti-Semitism in Nietzsche's time was mainly Christian. Nietzsche, the anti-Christian, felt that the anti-Semites were sneaking Christianity into the back door and so attacked them at every turn with a sledgehammer. In so doing he made some ironic, teasing, and provocative pro-jewish remarks which should only be seen in this context. Nietzsche desired a pagan, Aryan spirituality, and so was essentially anti-Semitic in the profoundest sense of the phrase. He saw Semitic values as the antithesis of the Aryan, and thought of Christianity as Semitic. So you will not find in Nietzsche the black and white of an ideologist and dogmatist, but you will find the very profound depths of a true philosophy. The nearest to him that I've seen since is Julius Evola who has a similarly subtle [Latin?] view of the racial issue. But I return to something that I have already touched upon - is there an ORIGINAL philosopher in the Anglo-Saxon tradition who could compare and be useful to nationalism?

[friedrich braun]

I think there is a constant level of irony in Nietzsche [irony = saying one thing to mean the opposite and thereby giving added emphasis]. Look what Nietzsche praises the jews for - their racial purity! Nietzsche is doing here what Tacitus did when he wrote his Germania [the Germania was a very flattering description of a race regarded by Tacitus's fellow Romans as 'barbaric'; Tacitus wanted to bring home to the Romans that the Germans still valued racial purity while the Romans had become miscegenated racial bastards]. Again, you cannot expect a philosopher to be a black and white ideologist - and you cannot therefore take a philosopher too literally. I believe that this difficulty is due to the cultural difference between the Germanic and Anglo-Saxon worlds. How was it that the most profoundly anti-Semitic regime in the modern era, the Third Reich, was able to take Nietzsche as their main philosopher [remembering that only Nietzsche's works were placed along side those of Hitler and Rosenberg]? How were they able to take from Nietzsche what they needed and see the spirit of Nietzsche as essentially Aryan, whereas the Anglo-Saxon world quibbles over any non-sectarian remarks and even goes into etymology? I suspect that Nietzsche was right when he said in BGE that they are "no philosophical race these English" [and by extension Americans]. It must be down to a Puritan streak in the Anglo-Saxon world. But I ask again, where is the ORIGINAL Anglo-Saxon philosopher of racial nationalism who could compare with Nietzsche? I say 'original' because Yockey owed so much from Spengler who in turn was indebted to Nietzsche. Surely this is an important philosophical question.

There is a reference to Nietzsche in "Liber L II Manifesto of the O.T.O." [see www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib52]. Viewing Nietzsche's work 'internally', I am finding certain parallels with 'philosophical alchemy'. Similarities in Blake's thought and Nietzsche's come out along those lines [perhaps Blake is the nearest philosopher in the Anglo-Saxon world - but then he is not a philosopher but a poet/artist]. Note also that Nietzsche corresponded with Strindberg - another adept. This all connects ultimately with what we may call 'Nazi Esotericism'; the Superhumans of Nietzsche and the SS as realization of the same. The Nationalist who strives for power -even if it means him having to suffer hardship and persecution - is hardly striving just to gain pleasure. Nor is the ascetic who half starves himself and deliberately inflicts pain on himself in order to purify his being. Indeed, in both cases there is not a 'will to pleasure', but a 'will to purity'. Ultimately though, all these drives are a 'will to power' - whether to political power or power over Self. Will to pleasure/pain/purity are all aspects of the will to power. Nietzsche was not only talking about humans with his will to power; he saw it in Nature also; Nature seeks to grow and expand, to over-reach herself; one cannot accord 'pleasure' to this. The Universe itself is in continual flux; it is ascending and declining again and again - striving for Power and losing Power ... eternally. This is why Nietzsche settled on Will to Power as his most fundamental principle. That should underlie a political outlook too - what good is it without Power? The position, 'to avoid pain and seek pleasure', is called Hedonism. This is the basic philosophy of liberalism. Nietzsche's philosophy, on the other hand, said that one should struggle - 'what does not kill me makes me stronger', and one should always keep in mind his injunction to 'be hard!'. This philosophy is much closer to nationalism.

Nietzsche meant power by power [he spoke of pleasure and pain only as aspects of power]. The philosophy of pleasure or Hedonism, does not really apply to the nationalist outlook - Hedonist Nationalists would be something of a push-over, consuming pop culture and drugs and having cross-racial sex like today's democrats. But a philosophy of 'human rights' applies to all political philosophies; the question is where you draw the line around your rights. In the Third Reich Germans had more human rights than non-Germans, it was a healthy society; in today's decadent West, immigrants and have more rights than indigenous populations and criminals have more rights than their victims. Nietzsche's philosophy is not negative - far from it. When he tears something down he always replaces it with something else - something Aryan. Slave Morality is replaced by Nietzsche's Aryan Master Morality. The will to pleasure of hedonism is replaced by the Will to Power. And Liberalism [of any stripe] is replaced by Discipline and Breeding. And the diminishing man of equal rights is replaced by the Order of Rank and the Super Human.

Finally, let us keep in mind that many National Socialists became anti-Semitic only after the tumultuous events of 1919. David Irving in his biography of Goebbels quotes in extensio from his letters to his family where THE ANTI-SEMITE of the Third Reich expresses philo-Semitic sentiments and attacks anti-Semites! Or read Mein Kampf where Hitler writes [via Hess et al. who did most of the actual writing] that he never heard the word 'jew' in his family home and was even positively and naively predisposed toward the jew as a young man. No one is born an anti-Semite, one becomes an anti-Semite through careful study and observation of the Enemy. Therefore, we don't know how Nietzsche's world-view and thinking would have evolved on the all-important "Jewish Question", a question that ultimately determines everything for the Aryan/Euro man -- down to his physical survival -- in the post World War I period. But something tells me that a man of his psychological make-up and temperament would feel at home among National Socialists.

http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9998&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

[Carrigan]

To my knowledge this board is unmoderated and uncensored.
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[FolkishChristian]

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/nietzsche.html


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F5061FFB3A550C758CDDAE0894DA404482

[NeoNietzsche]

I have read every single one of Nietzsche’s books. Unlike many of you barnyard animals and trailer park philosophers, I am a scholar. The notion that Nietzsche hated the Jews, that Nietzsche himself was somehow an anti-Semite who spoke in secret code (LOL!), is a lie so preposterous that it could only possibly be made by a jejune little simpleton like yourself.

Let us do a little "scholarly" analysis of the following famous passage from BGE:

The Jews, however, are beyond all doubt the strongest, toughest and purest race at present living in Europe; they know how to prevail even under the worst conditions (better even than under favorable ones), by means of virtues which one would like to stamp as vices—thanks above all to a resolute faith which does not need to be ashamed before “modern ideas”; they change, when they change, only in the way in which the Russian Empire makes its conquests—an empire that has time and is not of yesterday—: namely, according to the principle “as slowly as possible”! A thinker who has the future of Europe on his conscience will, in all the designs he makes for this future, take the Jews into account as he will take the Russians, as the immediately surest and most probable factors in the great game and struggle of forces. That which is called a “nation” in Europe today and is actually more of a res facta than nata (indeed sometimes positively resembles a res ficta et picta [res facta: something made; res nata: something born; res ficta et picta: something fictitious and unreal]—) is in any case something growing, young, easily disruptable, not yet a race, let alone such an aere perennius [more enduring than bronze] as the Jewish type is: these “nations” should certainly avoid all hot-headed rivalry and hostility very carefully! That the Jews could, if they wanted—or if they were compelled, as the anti-Semites seem to want—even now predominate, indeed quite literally rule over Europe, is certain; that they are not planning and working towards that is equally certain. In the meantime they are, rather, wanting and wishing, even with some importunity, to be absorbed and assimilated by and into Europe, they are longing to be finally settled, permitted, respected somewhere and to put an end to the nomadic life, to the “Wandering Jew”—; one ought to pay heed to this inclination and impulse (which is perhaps even a sign that the Jewish instincts are becoming milder) and go out to meet it: for which it would perhaps be a good idea to eject the anti-Semitic ranters from the country. Go out to meet it with all caution, with selectivity; much as the English nobility do. It is plain that the stronger and already more firmly formed types of the new Germanism could enter into relations with them with the least hesitation; the aristocratic officer of the March, for example: it would be interesting in many ways to see whether the genius of money and patience (and above all a little mind and spirituality, of which there is a plentiful lack in the persons above mentioned—) could not be added and bred into the hereditary art of commanding and obeying, in both of which the above-mentioned land is today classic. But here it is fitting that I should break off my cheerful Germanomaniac address: for already I am touching on what is to me serious, on the “European problem” as I understand it, on the breeding of a new ruling caste for Europe. —

How is it, Boys and Girls, that the thundering philosopher of the Will to Power as the essence of all Life has the "strongest, toughest, and purest race" allegedly refusing the power to "rule over Europe" that lies open before them and merely wishing to "assimilate"?

Obviously, Nietzsche is radically contradicting himself here in the most fundamental terms - or making a point with a bit of provocative ("cheerful Germanomaniac") sarcasm directed at elements in Germany that fall short of his expectations of them.

NN

[JB112]

There is nothing philo-Semitic in Nietzsche's statements. They're just a matter of fact which no honest exponent of our own ideas and Nietzsche's would deny. The jews were the strongest people in Europe and are today the strongest in America. Nietzsche was not a racial anthropologist, he was a cultural critic; he examined and analyzed the psychological basis for philosophical and cultural systems; which are strong, which are weak, which are ascendant, which decadent? Europe, being Christian, was obviously deeply decadent at the time. The jews, on the other hand, had held fast to their innate, self-assertive morality and myths, their paganism. That doesn't make them a valuable type, doesn't make them any less parasitic or dangerous to mankind. All it means is that the moral system of the jews is healthy, and the moral system of the Christians is not, and most of us already believe that and agree with Nietzsche.

That says nothing about the racial characteristics of the jews themselves, anymore than a brood of fleas with a strong will to live and spread is a positive statement as to the character or mode of existence of the flea. Nietzsche's disgust toward Christianity is also a disgust towards the nature of it's founders, as is clear in numerous of his writings; his greater disgust toward christians and especially their hypocritical moral anti-Semitism is also fully sensible. Don't many of us laugh or cringe at the Christian who hates the jew for being non-Christian, for being, in a word, healthy, proud, self-assertive? That has nothing to do with other forms of anti-Semitism; opposition to jews by types who are equally healthy and self-assertive, i.e., ourselves or the National Socialists. Anyone who knows Nietzsche knows that had he witnessed the National Socialist rise to power and Hitler's state he would have probably given a sigh of relief: "My work is done."

Two more points. Nietzsche was not necessarily right about every idea he ever floated on the jews. All philosophy is a work in progress. He didn't know everything about jews. He lived in the 19th century. This was a time before the full scope of jewishness was laid bare, in the 20th century, especially in between wars and then fully after the Second World War. The world the jew created under his stewardship is a desert, a wasteland; it's sole focus is commercial activity. The characteristics of the jewish people are on display to the whole world in the form of 20th century America culture, espec. the latter half. That is what a jewish ruled state looks like.

Thus, whatever can be said about the extraordinary self-assertive power of the jews in advance of their aims, their nature remains what it is; purely destructive, parasitic; a reversal of everything noble and creative, everything Aryan. And an overthrow of it. The jews didn't fight their way to the top. They sickened their prey with ideas... the jew as priest, as prophet, as 'light unto nations' and the savior of mankind... christianity, marxism, psychology; you know what I mean. Only a sickened mankind can play host to the jew, who himself lacks creative abilities and must depend on other human groups. Nietzsche passed his verdict on the jews in "The Anti-Christ."

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=11995&page=7&pp=10

"Because of their capacity for distortion, the Jews are the most fateful people in human history. In the course of their operations they have hoodwinked mankind so much that, even to this day, the Christian can feel anti-Semitic without realizing that he himself is the logical consequence of Judaism." - Nietzsche

"The Jew's life as a parasite in the body of other nations and states explains a characteristic which once caused Schopenhauer, as has already been mentioned, to call him the 'great master in lying.' Existence impels the Jew to lies and to lie perpetually..." - Hitler

[Steve Lillywhite]

A thinker who has the future of Europe on his conscience will, in all the designs he makes for this future, take the Jews into account as he will take the Russians, as the immediately surest and most probable factors in the great game and struggle of forces.....That the Jews could, if they wanted—or if they were compelled, as the anti-Semites seem to want—even now predominate, indeed quite literally rule over Europe, is certain; that they are not planning and working towards that is equally certain.
History has proven him right and wrong.

Beyond Good & Evil was written in the 1880s. Too bad FN didn’t live to see jews take over Russia in 1917!

One thing is certain: If Nietzsche were alive today he’d be on the ADL’s hit list.

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