The FAL rifle

[GeNoMe X]

Anyone try one of theese babies yet?nice,reliable,accurate 308 for under 700$ magazines and parts are cheap right now too. :D

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

great rifles. I'd try one from DS arms, out of northern illinois. look em up. lots of variations. usually these are euro or south american parts kits reassembled on US manufactured receivers with enough domestic content to comply with all applicable federal regs.

[Rob Roy MacGregor]

Anyone try one of theese babies yet?nice,reliable,accurate 308 for under 700$ magazines and parts are cheap right now too. :D

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24f-e.htm

[William Robert]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24f-e.htm

Why on GOD'S Green Earth, would a local peace officer sworn to serve his neighboors need this?

Well shit gomer if he get's one, I want two!

I liked Spengler's Barney Fife, the Local Home-Town Freindly Deputy Sheriff, better, with His Single Round Strategically Placed in His Secure Pocket, just in Case there was a Real Emergency.

I would be curious to see All the new goodies our dedicated zog agents are having fun testing out for our people.


Here's the catch line that went with the picture:

DSA-58OSW - a select-fire "sawed off" FAL clone made by DS Arms (USA) for police use

***select-fire is a nice way to say FULLY AUTOMATIC ASSAULT RIFLE!***

[GeNoMe X]

What's wrong with the Century guns?my buddy has two and they shoot great! :confused: one has an Imbel reciever and the other says made in Canada.British parts on both.They're the reason I was thinking of getting one.

[GeNoMe X]

What's wrong with the Century guns?my buddy has two and they shoot great! :confused: one has an Imbel reciever and the other says made in Canada.British parts on both.They're the reason I was thinking of getting one.
Neither are scoped,but one has a hooded aftermarket sight set,both are earlier made guns from the mid 90's built on British l1-a1 parts sets.maybe just the current ones are crap. :confused: I agree about the Hesse ones though,I pawed one at a recent gun show and wasn't impressed a bit.the reciever looked hand fitted and the huge shiny cocking knob looked gay as hell.the sheetmetal handguards were crappy too.it was "supposedly built from new Belgian parts,but with all the welded on muzzle brake and handleing marks,it looked like shit.

[Rob Roy MacGregor]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/fal_l1a1_suit.jpg

Reach out and Touch Someone!

LOL!

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Round of applause for Doppel.

So you know something about politics and guns, very impressive.

DSA used to sell a cool Izzy sight for the FAL, peep. Dont know if he still carries it.

I'm fairly well acquainted with what went into the production of this rifle, meaning DS' reproduction, which are parts kits assembled onto American made receivers with enough domestic content to pass regs. I can say that it was very careful and well thought out plan made with careful attention to Fabrique National blue prints and existing ample experience with parts kits imported from all over the world. The credit for this fine arrangement should go not only to DS however but to his former chief gunsmith and production manager whose initials were JE.

Anybody ever shoot at Buffalo Rock? I used to plink there quite a bit years ago.

What does Doppel think of the M1A, the semiauto M14 clone? There you have both the ample supply of the 762 nato cartridge and also the virtue that it is still used by the armed forces-- though not the standard arm. I read that it has been much in use recently in the Middle east. Can anyone confirm that?

[GeNoMe X]

I saw a pic of a seal with one in desert storm.

[MadScienceType]

The FAL/L1A1 is a big ass BATTLE RIFLE, like the M1 Garand, which it was designed to replace. The British wanted an ASSAULT RIFLE in a lighter caliber like 7.62x39, which the Russians had so much success with. The US pushed for a bigger grain cartridge and got it: 7.62x51/.308., sort of a scaled down .30/06.. Then the US didn't take it at all, and the British got a rifle they didn't want in a caliber they didn't want. It then became NATO's official rifle.


At least it was better than the SA-80! I wouldn't wish that piece of shit on anybody. The main thing I don't like about the FAL is the interchangability issue. Inch vs metric and all the different countries' variations. Locking shoulders and ejector blocks, etc. etc. At least with the AR-15, you know that mil-spec parts are gonna fit, unless you've got a Colt Sporter that is.

Been thinking about an M1A, but the cost of the rifle (in the grade I want) and the mags has been a major downer. Not sure about the veracity of this, but I heard that the supply of mil-spec parts for the M14 that the M1A makers were using to manufacture new ones has dried up. Therefore, they're using newly-made parts that aren't nearly as good. Investment cast op-rods instead of forged and such. They mentioned this for the Garand a month or so back in SGN and I think it's hit the M1A as well.

I'm not a big fan of the AR system either. Still, I keep one for the reasons Doppel mentioned.

But, my bug-out kit has an AK in it, cause when I need it to go bang, it will.

The line grunts are still stuck with the M-16/M4, but I think a lot of the special forces guys are carrying the M14 now, god knows where they got them from. I know the Navy still has some for shipboard defense and boarding, so maybe they pulled them out of the Navy's basement or something. I remember that the Delta sniper Shugart who was killed in Mogadishu in '93 carried one. Apparently it dropped the local dusky fauna a lot better than the 5.56 did. I would guess that the word has trickled out amongst the spec-ops crowd that bigger is better, so anyone who can carry non-reg stuff is doing so by now.

Sorry, you wanted confirmation, and all you got was more rumor! Such is the internet.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

No doubt the FAL is hard to keep on target on full auto. The heavier ones more so obviously. But I dont really think an infantryman needs a full auto battle rifle. You cant do the same things you can do with a full size MG, and sustained fire is not really possible due to feed mechanisms and also barrel melting. So what is the point anyhow? Wasting ammo? I guess it depends on the situation and tactics of course but if you are going room to room you probably want an HK MP5, which is very user friendly, or the ColtM4 if a more penetrative round is called for. If it's not room-to-room, who wouldnt want .308?

As for SMGs Col Cooper has said he sees no point other than ship-boarding and maybe room clearing, but he's iffy on that. There's an expert for you. He seems to think the M14 was far superior to the AR pattern, for all the reasons mentioned and then some. Far be it from me to disagree with Cooper.

As for infantry tactics, again I'm not a vet and so my understanding is limited, but do infantrymen really need a full auto battle rifle? And is an "assault rifle," ie, a select fire weapon chambering a mid range cartridge, really the best weapon for anything other than its cheapness and suitability for mass infantry-armor tactics? Hence the original idea in mind had by designer Kalashnikov and his predecessors who worked on the STG44.

I have read that the basic pattern of modern infantry tactics was established at the end of world war one by the Germans, covered in the book by Rommel called "Infantry Tactics." That was refined by the rebels lead by Franco and the Army of North Africa, who used the squad machine gun as the anchor weapon, the individual rifleman in a support role to the machine gun, and leapfrog type movement, with one fixed MG and squad providing cover fire for the moving MG and squad. Then the Germans continued this perfected model with the issuance of the Mauser 98K to the riflemen, and the focus on the unparalleled MG42 as the anchor weapon of the infantry squad.

My understanding is that the next thing that developed were masses of bolshies with PPsHs following behind the excellent Soviet armor, which kind of reminds us all of masses of yankees out-producing and over-whelming the confederates.

There is a story that Kalashnikov configured the selector switch with full auto in the middle position so that panicked soldiers would not switch to full and waste ammo but rather try to place their shots. The gooks probably appreciated that since resupply was a major issue and always is for an insurgent.

Anyways, then you have guerilla warfare, which takes the question into different directions. The principal factor for the guerilla however, it bears repeating, as suggested by Doppel and clearly stated by Che Guevarra: the guerilla should have the issue weapon of the occupying forces. That friends means have an AR15.

I'd like to have feedback on infantry tactics from some of the vets here. I know there's plenty of you out there.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

One more thing. Plenty of cheap m14 mags out there. In fact I think DS Arms-- speak of the devil-- is selling them for like $15 each. So that is not an issue.

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[MadScienceType]

No M-14 mags on their website. Plenty of FAL mags, but no M-14s.

Supposedly, Clinton ordered all the surplus M-14s to be cut up or shipped overseas so they wouldn't end up in the CMP like Garands and '03 Springfields. If true, that really sucks...

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

you guys are right, doesnt like like he's got m14 mags. I recalled incorrectly.

I looked around and yes looks like the average market price is $50 bucks or so. That is amazing considering the chinks were making these and people imported shitloads years ago. I will check around and see if I can come up with a good source.

If you buy a new M1a from Springfield, they still give you some of their 20 rd mags. Like probably three or four, and maybe a coupon to buy more. It would be good to have a couple of theirs-- higher quality.

The weakest link in the chain is usually the magazine. In terms of feed problems that is.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

try this vendor: forrest, co. 888-372-5968

or, www.whatacountry.com, 14 bucks each

http://208.56.61.92/s-cart/form.phtml?g_intCatID=20

[GeNoMe X]

The gun show last week had them for 10$ :p