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Alex Linder
September 3rd, 2005, 11:31 PM
Baltic Grudge Match

More than a decade after the fall of the Soviet Union, bad blood still runs deep between Latvia and Russia.

By Kevin O'Flynn
Newsweek International

Sept. 12, 2005 issue - It was a football match, yet more than a game. When Russia took to the field against Latvia in Riga recently, a shot at football's World Cup wasn't the only thing at stake. For both sides, it was a chance to score a blow against a neighbor who has turned into enemy No. 1.

Before the game, police checked the stadium for bombs. When the national hymn of Russia was played—the old Soviet national anthem, albeit with different lyrics—Latvian fans unfurled a poster reading mutin pudak, a spoonerism of the insult "Putin Mudak," or, "Putin is a dick." Meanwhile, a number of Russians wore jerseys emblazoned with the letters CCCP or USSR. Others donned Bolshevik civil-war hats—a red flag, so to speak, for Latvian nationalists who remain bitter about the suffering the country had faced under 60 years of Soviet rule.

More than 14 years have passed since Latvia declared independence from the Soviet Union, yet divisions between the two are growing wider. Latvia, whose population is 29 percent Russian, wants an apology from Moscow for both its annexation in 1940 and the deportations and repressions that characterized Soviet rule—65,000 sent to the gulags, most never to return. President Vladimir Putin curtly noted that Russia already apologized in the 1990s, and that there was no need to do so again. Both sides have since lapsed into a sort of siege mentality, glowering suspiciously at the other. "I don't know any Russian who says 'I love Latvia and I want to live here'," says Ieva Gundare, 35, the education coordinator at the Museum of Occupation in Riga, which documents Soviet-era atrocities. On the day of the big game, in fact, several Russian fans came into the museum and started shouting "O Stalin!"

Grievances run the gamut. There are minor but pesky border disputes. Moscow has repeatedly attacked the Baltic state for its treatment of 400,000 Russian-speakers—specifically Riga's refusal to grant them citizenship unless they pass exams in Latvian language and history. It also objects to education reforms which force ethnic Russian schoolteachers to conduct classes in Latvian. Annual parades of Latvians who served in the Nazi SS, fighting against the Soviet Army, do nothing to soothe relations. "In any civilized European country, if you are born there you automatically get citizenship," said Latvian-born Russian Sergei Marvenkov, 26, as he entered the stadium for the recent match. He made no secret about whom he was rooting for. "Russia!"

For their part, Latvians complain that Russians living in the country make no effort to become "Latvian," forcing the government to enforce strict citizenship laws in order to preserve the country's language and culture. Meanwhile, Latvia has established a commission to examine the issue of reparations for damage done during the Soviet years. Tit for tat, one Moscow weekly, Versia, recently calculated what the Soviet empire had given to Latvia. Jotting up the value of roads, the public-health system and large industries constructed with Soviet labor and money, the newspaper estimated that Latvia owes Russia $60 billion for 60 years of investment.

Bad feeling runs so high that, in their battle against the education reforms, Russian activists over the past year staged a series of large protests and hunger strikes. "It is creating a very explosive situation," says Igor Vatolin, one of the organizers, adding a bit menacingly: "When we were on hunger strike, some people were calling for a Bosnia or Macedonian scenario"—ethnic division, if not necessarily civil conflict.

Latvia isn't about to slip into violence, despite the hotheads. "Society in general is not interested in conflict," says Brigita Zepa, director of the Baltic Institute of Social Sciences. Despite the outward tensions, there was little trouble at the football game—far less, in fact, than you would encounter at a match between England and Germany. It concluded in a 1-1 draw. Never mind that the Latvian captain accused Russia of trying to bribe Latvia's team into losing. Or that, on match day, an unnamed Kremlin source told ITAR-Tass that Russia was considering sanctions to protect the rights of Russian-speakers. Though he was speaking merely of football, the Russian coach Yuri Syomin got it right when he noted that the draw was of no good to either side. The same could be said of the bad blood between the two countries.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9191049/site/newsweek/

prozak
September 4th, 2005, 03:58 PM
More than a decade after the fall of the Soviet Union, bad blood still runs deep between Latvia and Russia.

For good reason. The Russians, detesting a superior racial strain, did their best to trash that country.

What haven't Russians fucked up? America, Russia, Germany... Let them into WN, and they'll fuck that up too.

J.P. Slovjanski
September 5th, 2005, 02:51 AM
For good reason. The Russians, detesting a superior racial strain, did their best to trash that country.

What haven't Russians fucked up? America, Russia, Germany... Let them into WN, and they'll fuck that up too.


Excellent, more ignorant rambling from the phony nationalist Prozak!! Maybe you'd like to explain why Russian White Nationalist groups have been the most successful of all European nationalist groups in general. Last time I checked(seeing as how unlike you I have actually been involved with WN) the American WN movement was being fucked up quite nicely by the horde of German wannabes(almost everyone you meet in the American movement claims to be "Pure German" or German/Irish).

Maybe you'd like to explain exactly how Latvians are "superior". Maybe you'd like to explain how they "fucked" up America? Face it Prozak, you've been exposed. You don't know jack about European history, you can't back your theories, you have never been to Europe, you wouldn't know European culture from your own ass, you can't identify European groups.

Now why don't you come clean and admit that you are not German as well, since that is most likely the case.

Now either fuck off for good or amuse us all by posting something out of a Wikipedia article, fucktard. There's nothing more hilarious than an ignorant moron claiming to be "superior".

Kind Lampshade Maker
September 5th, 2005, 10:13 AM
The Soviets invaded them. Not the other way around. Therefore, whatever roads were built should get written off. Russia should make the first good faith gesture, by repatriating their nationals, returning ethnic Lats home, offering a formal apology and paying restitution damages. Only then, could both ethnic groups unite as Whites

J.P. Slovjanski
September 5th, 2005, 05:36 PM
The Soviets invaded them. Not the other way around. Therefore, whatever roads were built should get written off. Russia should make the first good faith gesture, by repatriating their nationals, returning ethnic Lats home, offering a formal apology and paying restitution damages. Only then, could both ethnic groups unite as Whites

Actually both sides need to shut up. What's funny about many of these anti-Soviet "nationalists" in these countries is that they will talk your ear off about their past oppression yet once they get power they don't mind opening their doors to Turkey. Phony nationalists the lot of them.

The fact is with countries like Ukraine or Latvia, they both had thousands of heroic soldiers that fought on BOTH sides(like Russia itself).

rasputin
September 5th, 2005, 09:26 PM
You can't suit everyone. The Balts are small nations that don't matter. There's no tradition to keep saying "sorry" in Russia. What ultimately matters is the strenght of a nation, and not how nice it is to its neighbors.

Kind Lampshade Maker
September 7th, 2005, 08:11 AM
It takes strength to come to terms with one's past.
Those who are reluctant to do so are foolish

Antiochus Epiphanes
September 14th, 2005, 09:46 AM
For good reason. The Russians, detesting a superior racial strain, did their best to trash that country.

What haven't Russians fucked up? America, Russia, Germany... Let them into WN, and they'll fuck that up too.

They're in it and up to their ears already whether you like it or not, and are doign a good job putting the Jews on the run in Russia, compared to the superior racial Germans and English who can't lick Jewish boots fast enough. Dont be so sure that your standards of "superiority" are shared by everyone else. Success definitely fits into my standards and the absolute inability of the Northern-Europeans to fight off the Jew and stand up to aliens is CONSPICUOUS in my mind -- and at least as worthy of discussing as all your crap about Italians miscegenating with Arabs etc. Your Nordish theme here is getting pretty close to flaming. We still dont know YOUR ethnicity, VIJAY, who previously described yourself as a 1/3 eskimo-jew. Ha-ha, you amuse me like a fucking clown, but see if you can step up to the plate and tell the truth for once? What's your ancestral backround? And "troll" is not an acceptable component. We know that about you already.

cg jung
September 30th, 2005, 09:11 AM
Dead ringer for Vijay...

http://specials.rediff.com/news/2004/oct/30sld2.jpg

Stasi
April 7th, 2006, 11:47 PM
The Soviets invaded them. Not the other way around.

Latvia in 1939 was under the control of a bourgeois nationalistic autocrat Ulmanis. A treaty of friendship was signed with USSR legally permitting the deployment of USSR troops. When USSR troops entered Latvia in 1940, the autocrat of the country was ousted. Subsequently, new elections to the legislature were held and afterwards the legislature of the country voted to join USSR. You all are probably closet Jews with your anti-Soviet, anti-Russian outlook.

From NY Times, 25 February 2004

RETURN TO RIGA

By WILLIAM SAFIRE

Can people who have been taught only submission for generations, who are strangers to democracy, be trusted to govern themselves?

That's the question facing us in Iraq today. We will be asking the same question come the revolution in Iran or, even sooner and closer, after the chaos in Haiti.

Look for an answer in Riga, the beautiful capital of Latvia, a northern European nation conquered by Hitler before we entered World War II. He traded it to Stalin, and Latvians lived under oppression and Russian colonization for two generations.

Fifteen years ago, a Latvian in the U.S., Ojars Kalnins, put me in touch with dissidents there. He showed me on a map of Riga where to position myself and said that an intense, dark-haired young woman would take me to leaders of the Popular Front agitating for freedom from Moscow's rule.

The route was through Leningrad in the U.S.S.R. because the Communists permitted no air service directly between Riga and the West. At the designated meeting place, the courier signaled me to follow her to the writers of a declaration of independence.

The streets of Riga were dismal; the gray buildings were crumbling; the faces of Latvians, whenever they looked up, were expressionless. There was no place to buy a cup of coffee, lest people congregate. No telephone books were printed, lest people communicate. Americans who never visited the Soviet Union or its captive nations cannot imagine the palpable weight of oppression everywhere.

I datelined my column "Riga, Soviet-occupied Latvia" and followed up with "Free the Baltics" agitation, reminding readers that the U.S. had never recognized the cynical pact transferring that nation's captivity. This irritated Moscow's apologists and embarrassed the elder Bush's administration, which supported Mikhail Gorbachev's call for "stability."

But the Baltics, whose annexation by the Soviet Union had no legitimacy in law, were the key to the Soviet empire's dissolution. When Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia broke free, Ukraine followed (despite Bush's "chicken Kiev" speech) and the house of Communist cards collapsed.

In the years since, Latvians suffered the anguish of raw democracy. The hundreds of thousands of Russians sent to colonize and dominate were no longer the elite; they now made up a disliked minority that would not go "home." Grudgingly, Latvia offered citizenship to Russians willing to learn the local language and residency to the rest.

Meanwhile, squabbles proliferated among former political allies. Personalities clash; coalitions are hard. Ten rightist cabinets failed to last a full term and only last week, the Parliament had to turn to an amiable Green Party leader to preside as the nation achieves its dream of membership in NATO and the European Union.

The Kremlin hates that proximity of political freedom and is trying to intimidate its "near abroad." I recently went back to Riga, site of a conference that rallied support for reformers in Belarus and Ukraine, urging resistance to local despots as well as to Putin's revanchism.

I took a stroll around the center of Riga with my friend Ojars, now a spokesman for his nation. We were joined by Sarmite Elerte, editor of the newspaper Diena and one of the best journalists in Europe.

Sarmite is the dissident who was my resistance contact in the Soviet days. "Do you feel the difference in the atmosphere here now? The streets are active, and doors are not shut. Cafes are open with delicious cakes, we have bookstores, antiques, new arts, and" ? she pointed to an old-new purple structure ? "buildings have their colors back. The people talk to each other, and look right at you and not at their feet all the time."

Latvians, new to democracy, are trying to embrace Europe without forgetting that America is their most reliable friend. In the same way, my other favorite pushed-around people ? the Kurds of Iraq ? have emerged from a U.S.-protected decade of tribal rivalries to show other Iraqi Muslims how their regional parliamentary progress can be a national example.

Democracy is heady wine and causes initial hangovers. But given a chance to become a habit, the exhilarating experience of freedom enriches and ennobles people. That's hard to believe until you've seen it with your own eyes.

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Americans who never visited the Soviet Union or its captive nations cannot imagine the palpable weight of oppression everywhere.

There wasn't a deployment of USSR troops in Romania, Bulgaria, and Albania. If Poland and Hungary are to be considered "captive nations" for bearing the presence of USSR troops, then Japan, Germany, England, Korea, Turkey, Italy, and Iceland can be classified as countries under U.S subjugation. You can go ahead with the argument that these countries were allies of America that permitted for the deployment of troops. However, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and German Democratic Republic did the exact same to USSR.

But the Baltics, whose annexation by the Soviet Union had no legitimacy in law, were the key to the Soviet empire's dissolution.

Now this here is a lie. The key to USSR's dissolution was the failed 1991 August Revolution.

To reiterate, the legislatures of the Baltic countries in 1940 had voted to join the USSR. The sole reason why these countries were not within USSR was due to the coercive Brest-Litovsk Treaty. Prior to that, these Baltic countries had belonged to Russia from 1720-1918. Even before that, Livonia belonged to Sweden and Lithuania belonged to Poland for hundreds of years.

The hundreds of thousands of Russians sent to colonize and dominate were no longer the elite; they now made up a disliked minority that would not go "home." Grudgingly, Latvia offered citizenship to Russians willing to learn the local language and residency to the rest.

It is fascistic intolerance to refuse citizenship to 33% of the country's population whose native birthplace is likely in Latvia. This filthy Zionist Jew has echoed the monstrous policies of the chauvinist Latvian regime. In contrast, Latvia's neighbour Lithuania has regardless of the knowledge of a tongue spoken by few others permitted citizenship to minorities.

The Kremlin hates that proximity of political freedom and is trying to intimidate its "near abroad."

Which is why a dozen political parties are represented in the Kremlin? In contrast, America is a totalitarian country ruled by two virtually indistinguishable corporatist parties that bear "bi-partisanship" on nearly every issue.

Kind Lampshade Maker
April 18th, 2006, 03:31 PM
...It is fascistic intolerance to refuse citizenship to 33% of the country's population whose native birthplace is likely in Latvia...How about applying this principal to the Mexican Question in White North America?