Mother Russia turns to National Socialism

[Aryan Lord]

Russia awakes!

Russian march "Russia against occupants" 4 November 2005(non-White immigrants meant as "occupants")
4 November 2005 Russian nationalist march and meeting was held in Moscow. It was organised by DPNI (http://www.dpni.org -Movement against imigration), Russian National Union ( http://www.rons.ru ) , National Great Power Party of Russia ( http://www.ndpr.ru). Also "Eurasian union" took part-they are not nationalists and racialists, they are simple patriots of pro-empire orientation.
Jewish liberals and Russian-haters (at once they asked JewSA government to bomb Russia because of arrest Jew oligarch Mihail Hodorkovski) wrote letters to Moscow Mayor, compared march with KKK meetings in USA and so on
But we were allowed to march. Provocations of antifa were expected.
One of NS (who marched) tells:
Morning, 10-30. Exit form subway station "Clean ponds" (In Russian-"chistie prudi"). Native nature helps us, giving unusual and surpsing for november sun and warm. Crowds of skins, national-patriots are walking near Griboedov (Russian writer of 19 century) monument.
I go through cops cordon. Enter DPNI column. We make rows at once form 4 men, then from 5, then from 7. People are coming and coming. I look back-and I can't see end of crowd. I am happy, that so many people came to our march. "Eurasian union" have very little group near great crowd of nationalists. I see Russian national flags, banner of Russian National Union. Leader of DPNI tells us not to raise hands in NS salute because of potential troubles with cops.
We began to march. Drum plays. Even blood in veins runs faster! Great feeling. Some people with coming towards the column with megaphone and shouts slogans. "Nation, nation-over all!". Sound wave comes from the end of column to the beginning. Everybody shouts. Some Asian immigrants ran away.when column goes near them.
Some antifas try to stop column. Cops save them from punishment. We march further. Antifa flag is under our legs. We shout: "Russia-for Russians! Moscow without immgrants! Time will come-we will cick occupants away!"
A lot of TV and newspapers reporters around us. I march straight, with proud, showing my profile in cameras. I am master of my land.
Common Russia people are marching with me. Teachers, workers and so on. "Russian order for Russian land!"-powerful shout waves down the street and reflects from house walls in echoe. "Glory to Russia!"-and skin near me raises his right hand in NS salute. Then one more skin raises his nand. At once they do it looking around, then they do it braver, then a lot of people raies thyey hands in NS salute and shouts: "Russia for Russians!".
Columns stops. I hear clash and feel smell of powder, see smoke. Antifa threwed some in column, but it seems to us as salute in our honour. All are all right. Some antifa are took in police department, some ran away -they were rnning near synagogue-how simbolically!
I did not see any antifa that day-only signs "antifa" on walls.

What this bastards can do!

It seems to me dull standing and I start shouting "Russia for Russians! Moscow-Russian city!". Man nare me supports, than others, and thousands shout: "RUSSIA-FOR RUSSIANS!". Moscow, you waited for this words so long. Russia, native country, suffering from occupation, you always thought about it and now you hear and see it.

How great is column! About 10 000 people! It is our great moral victory!
We gathered 10 000 people withot announces on TV, newspapers-only by internet and stickers! No more poltical fore in Russia can do it!
As one antifa said: "Today I saw Germany of 30s on Moscow streets, as I imagined it. If all will come further in this way, we will see torch marches and Chrustal Night" YES, YES!

We come to meeting place. "Eurasians" are speaking. But they do not speak against natinalism, they claim JewSA policy and anti-Russian "orange revolution" in Ukraine. speak about great Russia and so on. Konstantin Krylov says: "We need RUSSIAN Russia!".

It's a pity, but leaders of Russian National Union(Igor' Artemov) and National Great Power Party of Russia (Alexander Sevastianov) do not have time to speak. Speaks Alexander Belov. Speaks about situation in France, where no-White occupants destroy Paris. About drugs, sold by Asian immigrants. Says: "Tommorow belongs to us!". Speaks, that Moscow belongs to Russians.

And at the end of speech he offers everybody who wants to gather more -to raise right nad. Forward, backwar. right, left-everybody raises right hand in NS salute. Skins, football fans, quite students, girls in ellegant coats.... Everybody raises hand in OUR salute.

[Eagle Eye]

Great article. It's nice to hear that thousands of patriotic people are gathering for a march against a foreign takeover.

10,000 Russians gathering together with no publicity other that stickers and the internet, is a great turnout!

Well done Russia, I hope your numbers grow. :cheers:

[Gilgamesh]

How russians can be National Socialists?

National Socialism is against Imperialism, and like we know, russians want to control other nations. :mad:

[-LiveWire-]

How russians can be National Socialists?

National Socialism is against Imperialism, and like we know, russians want to control other nations. :mad:


Gilgamesh,in what sense is "National Socialism against imperialism"? Please explain your reasoning.
Also please clarify your comment that "Russians want to control other nations"!

[Gilgamesh]

Gilgamesh,in what sense is "National Socialism against imperialism"? Please explain your reasoning.
Also please clarify your comment that "Russians want to control other nations"!

According National Socialism, every nation should live in their own areas.

Yes, Russia is Empire. They occupies many areas, which belong to other nations. For example Caucasus, Siberia, Volga-areas, Urals, Karelia, Ingria and that list is almost endless. My best wishes to all russians who want to live just in their own areas and correct those historical unjustices.

[Devere]

Your march stirs my heart.

Russia is the last best hope of White-kind.

I look forward to the day when Russian leaders start to really address the low birthrate by White Russian women. They need to pay White Russian families (and ONLY WHITE Russian families) to have babies -- and to STAY MARRIED.

Of course, we need to do the same in America -- but America is almost past hope.

[Devere]

The day may come, and should come soon, when Russia should open her borders to her White brothers and sisters from all over the world -- and close her borders to non-whites.

[Devere]

Imagine Russia brimming with 500,000,000 intelligent vibrant White Aryans. We as a race could make a tactical retreat to Russia. Russia could safe-guard our race because Russia is a nuclear power and because it's geographically huge and there would be room for us all there. We could make our final racial stand there, in Russia -- against the jews. Later, as we get back on our racial feet, after victory over the jews, we could re-expand outward from Russia, retaking Europe and eventually North America and Australia.

[Gilgamesh]

You are funny devere. :D

[Devere]

And right.

[Gilgamesh]

And right.

Where you live? I guess that you not live in East-Europe. :rolleyes:

If you not live near of russians, you cannot know nothing of them.

[Angle]

Aryan loggers who've lost their jobs to Mestizo invaders should find work in Far Eastern Russia. That is an Aryan bufferzone against the eternal termite-hill that is China.

[Gilgamesh]

Aryan loggers who've lost their jobs to Mestizo invaders should find work in Far Eastern Russia. That is an Aryan bufferzone against the eternal termite-hill that is China.

Far-Eastern "russia" (Siberia) not belongs to russians or chinese.

[Devere]

Where you live? I guess that you not live in East-Europe. :rolleyes:

If you not live near of russians, you cannot know nothing of them.I live in America. But here's my point. The White Race worldwide needs to place more weight on our Whiteness than on our various and varying nationalities. Our enemies place more weight on our Whiteness. They are trying to murder all Whites everywhere -- by destroying all White nations so Whites will have no White breeding grounds. Russia is our best chance for survival. Russia is powerful and still very White. Her leaders understand quite well what the jew is doing. After all, Russia survived Jew Communism and Jew Sovietization which murdered tens of millions of Russians. Russia is capable of saving the White Race and Russia should do it. Russia may be our last real hope.

ORION: Our Race Is Our Nation.

[J.P. Slovjanski]

Far-Eastern "russia" (Siberia) not belongs to russians or chinese.


That leaves the Mongols and the Caribou; neither can do anything productive with that land.

[Bolg]

Far-Eastern "russia" (Siberia) not belongs to russians or chinese.

No doubt it belongs to Armenians, no?

[Aryan Lord]

According National Socialism, every nation should live in their own areas.

Yes, Russia is Empire. They occupies many areas, which belong to other nations. For example Caucasus, Siberia, Volga-areas, Urals, Karelia, Ingria and that list is almost endless. My best wishes to all russians who want to live just in their own areas and correct those historical unjustices.

National Socialism is an ancient Weltanschauung which is in accord with the laws of nature.It was termed "National Socialism" for the first time within Germany in the early 20th century but its principles are as old as nature.It is the application of natures laws.
National Socialism as a Weltanschauung survived the military collapse of the Third Reich and its principles have been applied now to the current global situation in the early 21st century.
It is foolish to continue with our petty 19th century state/ethnic nationalism in face of our extinction not just as a nation or ethnic group but as an entire race.We must adopt a racial nationalism or perish within 100 years.We are already fast approaching the point of no return.
National Socialism offers us our one and only hope of biological salvation but it has to be applied to the race as a whole not just one specific part of it.
I believe that you are in error if you assume that this ideology is only for Germany or just a single nation.
We must embrace the concept of Imperium as developed by Francis Parker Yockey and Julius Evola.A Euro-centric Imperium governed according to the principles of National Socialism.
These principles can just as easily be applied to Russia as any country within the "western" orbit.

[Aryan Lord]

Where you live? I guess that you not live in East-Europe. :rolleyes:

If you not live near of russians, you cannot know nothing of them.

I detect an anti-Russian undercurrent running through your posts on this thread.
I think you should clean and admit the nature of your resentment.

[Aryan Lord]

Imagine Russia brimming with 500,000,000 intelligent vibrant White Aryans. We as a race could make a tactical retreat to Russia. Russia could safe-guard our race because Russia is a nuclear power and because it's geographically huge and there would be room for us all there. We could make our final racial stand there, in Russia -- against the jews. Later, as we get back on our racial feet, after victory over the jews, we could re-expand outward from Russia, retaking Europe and eventually North America and Australia.


I agree,the ex-USSR lands west of Asia could mark our regrouping point as we fight to repel the Untermenschen from our shores.Hail Mother Russia!

[Gilgamesh]

I live in America. But here's my point. The White Race worldwide needs to place more weight on our Whiteness than on our various and varying nationalities. Our enemies place more weight on our Whiteness. They are trying to murder all Whites everywhere -- by destroying all White nations so Whites will have no White breeding grounds. Russia is our best chance for survival. Russia is powerful and still very White. Her leaders understand quite well what the jew is doing. After all, Russia survived Jew Communism and Jew Sovietization which murdered tens of millions of Russians. Russia is capable of saving the White Race and Russia should do it. Russia may be our last real hope.

ORION: Our Race Is Our Nation.

1) I don't believe one white-skinned race.
2) Russians had possibility to destroy communism, but what they did. Same time when commies took power in Russia, they tried same in Finland, Bulgaria, Germany, Hungary etc...They managed only in Russia, and later in Outer-Mongolia. So, something wrong with russians, I would say.

[Gilgamesh]

That leaves the Mongols and the Caribou; neither can do anything productive with that land.

So, for you land is exist only for using it???

[Gilgamesh]

I detect an anti-Russian undercurrent running through your posts on this thread.
I think you should clean and admit the nature of your resentment.

Rather I follow nature of my nation, than some american ideologies.

[Devere]

I notice that the feds/jews came out in full force on this thread -- Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, even JP showed up: undercut undercut undercut. Why?

Because they noted our recognition of a genuine reason for optimism, a Russian spark that can ignite the White Flame worldwide.

Nip it in the bud. Nip it in the bud. Quick. Quick. A ray of hope founded on truth. Nip it in the bud. Mother Russia awakens. Nip Nip Nip Nip.

You god damned kike bastards.

[Gilgamesh]

I notice that the feds/jews came out in full force on this thread -- Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, even JP showed up: undercut undercut undercut. Why?

Because they noted our recognition of a genuine reason for optimism, a Russian spark that can ignite the White Flame worldwide.

Nip it in the bud. Nip it in the bud. Quick. Quick. A ray of hope founded on truth. Nip it in the bud. Mother Russia awakens. Nip Nip Nip Nip.

You god damned kike bastards.

You call me fed and jew???

You yankees imagine that you know what is geopolitical situation in Europe.

Russia is not our friend, never was, and never will be! I have nothing against those russians who live in their own historical areas.

[J.P. Slovjanski]

I notice that the feds/jews came out in full force on this thread -- Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, even JP showed up: undercut undercut undercut. Why?

Because they noted our recognition of a genuine reason for optimism, a Russian spark that can ignite the White Flame worldwide.

Nip it in the bud. Nip it in the bud. Quick. Quick. A ray of hope founded on truth. Nip it in the bud. Mother Russia awakens. Nip Nip Nip Nip.

You god damned kike bastards.


Hey fucktard, do you have any fucking clue who I am? I've been a supporter of Russian National Socialism since I was still a senior in high school. I have spent literally YEARS arguing on boards about how National Socialism has never been inherently anti-Russian or anti-Slav. I've been advocating Russia as the most crucial Aryan nation throughout my whole involvement in WN and all my goals hinge on returning there to get more involved in advancing a political front.

And you, in your boundless ignorance and idiocy have the audacity to say that I am speaking negatively of Russian National Socialism. Maybe you should use GOOGLE or the SEARCH function for a change, and find out who the fuck you are talking about next time, you fucking retard.

[alex]

Gilgamesh,
maybe simply tell us what your nationality is?To whom belongs Siberia,if not to the Russian people?

[Aryan Lord]

Rather I follow nature of my nation, than some american ideologies.

Is English your first language because I am experiencing difficulty in understanding what you are talking about?

[Aryan Lord]

1) I don't believe one white-skinned race.
2) Russians had possibility to destroy communism, but what they did. Same time when commies took power in Russia, they tried same in Finland, Bulgaria, Germany, Hungary etc...They managed only in Russia, and later in Outer-Mongolia. So, something wrong with russians, I would say.


Is it just me or does anyone else find Gilgamesh`s post largely incoherent?

[Gilgamesh]

Gilgamesh,
maybe simply tell us what your nationality is?To whom belongs Siberia,if not to the Russian people?

My nationality is Finnish. :cheers:

Siberia belongs for example to Yakuts, Buryats, Chukchis, Evenkians, etc...

[Gilgamesh]

Is English your first language because I am experiencing difficulty in understanding what you are talking about?

I would like to see you writing in Finnish language. :D

[J.P. Slovjanski]

My nationality is Finnish. :cheers:

Siberia belongs for example to Yakuts, Buryats, Chukchis, Evenkians, etc...


Oh yeah they did a GREAT job with it so far. Those people had their chance, and they blew it.

[Bolg]

I would like to see you writing in Finnish language. :D

I have spoken with many Finns. Unlike you they all spoke perfect English. Gilgamesh is a mythical Armenian hero, and I think you are one too. Well, you're Armenian, at least.

So, why are you posing as a Finn? And why the arrogance? There might very well be people fit to judge the Russians, but why you?

[Gilgamesh]

Oh yeah they did a GREAT job with it so far. Those people had their chance, and they blew it.

What they should have done to that country then?

Respecting nature is much more important than destroy it.

[Gilgamesh]

I have spoken with many Finns. Unlike you they all spoke perfect English. Gilgamesh is a mythical Armenian hero, and I think you are one too. Well, you're Armenian, at least.

So, why are you posing as a Finn? And why the arrogance? There might very well be people fit to judge the Russians, but why you?

1) You have no arguments for claiming that I'm not Finn, if my english is not so perfect.

2) Gilgamesh is from Mezopotamian legend, not armenian.

3) Armenians belongs to my hate-list, and they are quite top there.

4) I'm Finnish nationalist and my dream is eternal justice.


What means Bolg, btw? Are you Bulgarian?

On ihme, jos amerikkalaiset rappioaivot eivät tajua, että jokainen Suomalainen ei kirjoita täydellisesti kieliopillisesti korrektia englantia. Mitä voi odottaa kansalta, jonka valtion historia on juutalaisen vapaamuurariuden aikaansaama. :D

[Angle]

Ah, I see our friend would like Karelia back.


My nationality is Finnish.

Siberia belongs for example to Yakuts, Buryats, Chukchis, Evenkians, etc...


Russia is Aryan and white. Suomi is not Aryan but it is white. Yakuts, Buryats, Chukchis, Evenkians - these people are not white. Finland is an advanced country; these people are tribesmen with little understanding of the legal possession of territory.

[Armenian]

Gilgamesh is a mythical Armenian hero, and I think you are one too. Well, you're Armenian, at least.

You are half right, in a sense. Sumerians were proto-Armenians. But they were not Armenians per say. This person called "Gilgamesh" is most probably a Turk. I say this for three reasons.

1) All nationalist Turks that I have directly and indirectly dealt with have a fetish with Sumerians. They want to be Sumerians along with Hittites, Urartians, etc. All this because they want to "belong" within Asia Minor/Anatolia/Caucasus and they are embarrassed of their primitive national origins.

2) All Turks have hate towards Russians because they see Russians as their natural enemies. They also see Russians controlling their spheres of influence within a "Turkic" Central Asia.

3) All Turks have hate towards Armenians because they have seen Armenians as their natural enemies for centuries. They also see great dangers in the Republic of Armenia becasue Armenia is closely allied with Russia militarily and economically.

This "Gilgamesh" person fits all the aforementioned criteria. While I do not know Fins well, I do nonetheless know that they also hate Russians for historic/political reasons. However, why would a self-proclaimed "Fin" hate Armenians? And why would a "Fin" care about Gilgamesh?

This anti-Russian anti-Armenian idiot called "Gilgamesh" is a Turk if you ask me. There is another Turk here as well. He is the one called "Uppinatta" and, as a typical Turk, he claims to be a Hittite.

[Gilgamesh]

Ah, I see our friend would like Karelia back.





Russia is Aryan and white. Suomi is not Aryan but it is white. Yakuts, Buryats, Chukchis, Evenkians - these people are not white. Finland is an advanced country; these people are tribesmen with little understanding of the legal possession of territory.

Even white-skinned people has no rights took other's areas.

Suomi is white, yes. Suomi is not aryan, again yes. We Finns does not give a shit are we considered to aryans or not. Personally I call gipsies to aryans here. :D

And yes, I want Karelia, Ingria etc. to Finland.

[Gilgamesh]

You are half right, in a sense. Sumerians were proto-Armenians. But they were not Armenians per say. This person called "Gilgamesh" is most probably a Turk. I say this for three reasons.

1) All nationalist Turks that I have directly and indirectly dealt with have a fetish with Sumerians. They want to be Sumerians along with Hittites, Urartians, etc. All this because they want to "belong" within Asia Minor/Anatolia/Caucasus and they are embarrassed of their primitive national origins.

2) All Turks have hate towards Russians because they see Russians as their natural enemies. They also see Russians controlling their spheres of influence within a "Turkic" Central Asia.

3) All Turks have hate towards Armenians because they have seen Armenians as their natural enemies for centuries. They also see great dangers in the Republic of Armenia becasue Armenia is closely allied with Russia militarily and economically.

This "Gilgamesh" person fits all the aforementioned criteria. While I do not know Fins well, I do nonetheless know that they also hate Russians for historic/political reasons. However, why would a self-proclaimed "Fin" hate Armenians? And why would a "Fin" care about Gilgamesh?

This anti-Russian anti-Armenian idiot called "Gilgamesh" is a Turk if you ask me. There is another Turk here as well. He is the one called "Uppinatta" and, as a typical Turk, he claims to be a Hittite.

I hate armenoids, because their inferior race spreads everywhere in world.

And I'm not Turk, but Finn. ;)

Sumerians were proto-armenians??? :D What a joke.

Since what I know Sumerians language was quite similar as Proto-FinnUgor.

[J.P. Slovjanski]

Even white-skinned people has no rights took other's areas.

Suomi is white, yes. Suomi is not aryan, again yes. We Finns does not give a shit are we considered to aryans or not. Personally I call gipsies to aryans here. :D

And yes, I want Karelia, Ingria etc. to Finland.


Well that would entail taking the land from Russians. Maybe you would like to explain why it is right for some people to take land and not others.

[Gilgamesh]

Well that would entail taking the land from Russians. Maybe you would like to explain why it is right for some people to take land and not others.

Every nation has rights to their historical areas. That is part of National Socialism.

[J.P. Slovjanski]

Every nation has rights to their historical areas. That is part of National Socialism.


There are no such things as "rights". People deserve what they fight for.

[Armenian]

I hate armenoids, because their inferior race spreads everywhere in world.

Yeah, an "inferior" race spreading "everywhere" in the world. You make a lot of sense. Well, for a Turk you actually do make sense. Since you claim that we Armenoids are spreading everywhere, how many are there in Finnland?

Listen you pathetic Turdish moron, true "Armenoids," or Armenids, are light-years ahead of your primitive Turkic kin.

And I'm not Turk, but Finn. ;)

You-are-a-Turk!

Sumerians were proto-armenians??? :D What a joke.Since what I know Sumerians language was quite similar as Proto-FinnUgor.

Its quite obvious that you are the sad joke. Sumerian is NOT related to any living language. The *theory* that Sumerian may have been related to Central Asian or Caucasian languages was by refuted many years ago by several modern studies.

According to serious historians today: Sumerian is an *independant* language that influenced various other languges in antiguity. Moreover, Sumerians most probably originated somewhere within Caucasus and they were genetically - Medd/Alpine.

Based on my observation of Sumerians within various depictions, the Sumerians looked very Armenid.

BTW: Have you ever met an Armenian in your life?

[Bolg]

1) You have no arguments for claiming that I'm not Finn, if my english is not so perfect.

Quite true. Sue me.

2) Gilgamesh is from Mezopotamian legend, not armenian.

I don't care.

3) Armenians belongs to my hate-list, and they are quite top there.

See above.

4) I'm Finnish nationalist and my dream is eternal justice.

And I want an end to poverty & world peace. Is "eternal justice" the sacrosanct right to bash the Russians? Were not for them, today you'd be called Mehmed or something.

What means Bolg, btw? Are you Bulgarian?

Yes I am.

[Gilgamesh]

Yeah, an "inferior" race spreading "everywhere" in the world. You make a lot of sense. Well, for a Turk you actually do make sense. Since you claim that we Armenoids are spreading everywhere, how many are there in Finnland?

Listen you pathetic Turdish moron, true "Armenoids," or Armenids, are light-years ahead of your primitive Turkic kin.



You-are-a-Turk!



Its quite obvious that you are the sad joke. Sumerian is NOT related to any living language. The *theory* that Sumerian may have been related to Central Asian or Caucasian languages was by refuted many years ago by several modern studies.

According to serious historians today: Sumerian is an *independant* language that influenced various other languges in antiguity. Moreover, Sumerians most probably originated somewhere within Caucasus and they were genetically - Medd/Alpine.

Based on my observation of Sumerians within various depictions, the Sumerians looked very Armenid.

BTW: Have you ever met an Armenian in your life?

Many immigrants from Turkey etc. here are racially armenoids. I have seen enough armenoids in my life, and propably will see every day when I go to city. You are disgusting race.

Here is link about Sumerian-language: http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/Sumer-phonology.htm

Or can your armenoid-brains understand that?

[Gilgamesh]

Quite true. Sue me.



I don't care.



See above.



And I want an end to poverty & world peace. Is "eternal justice" the sacrosanct right to bash the Russians? Were not for them, today you'd be called Mehmed or something.



Yes I am.

It seems that you don't know Finnish history. :rolleyes:

BTW: Nothing against Bulgars.

[alex]

Gilgamesh,
tell us ,my finnish friend,what do you think about Turks in Finnland?And i dont mean just those who you call "armenoid" Turks but the others too.

[Gilgamesh]

Gilgamesh,
tell us ,my finnish friend,what do you think about Turks in Finnland?And i dont mean just those who you call "armenoid" Turks but the others too.

Those who not look armenoids, looks semitics. I want all those middle-eastern invaders out of Finland. Their kebab-places are money-washing places actually, and they do much other crimes here too. And I don't accept brown-trash in Finland, even if they wouldn't be criminals.

Hopefully that explains. :)

[Angle]

Yep I've got a Finnish friend and I was shocked to hear that Finland has its share of Pakis. Typically, they own restaurants.

[Bolg]

It seems that you don't know Finnish history. :rolleyes:

No, I don't know it well. Still, having civilized people (Russians) as neighbours, even in times of war, is much better than having to deal with savages (Turks, for example). You may lose land, but you don't lose population. When you retake the land, you don't slay the new settlers and so on. Part of the reason Finland is quite well off is that it's had the right neighbours and that includes Russians.

All of us, as Europeans and Whites in general, face much greater danger than the petty quarrels taking place between us (Whites). The small jew behind the curtain loves to see Finns hating Russians, Baltics hating Russians, Moldovans hating Romanians and what not. Imagine two brothers fighting over some stupid thing like a toy or a girl. It's not a matter of life and death, it's everyday life. But the obscure hook-nosed type, grinding the knife across the street with calculating grin, wants them both dead. He is the enemy.

BTW: Nothing against Bulgars.

Nothing but good feelings here too.

[Aryan Lord]

I would like to see you writing in Finnish language. :D

Fair point.I was beginning to think that you were an Afghan! :D

[Gilgamesh]

Fair point.I was beginning to think that you were an Afghan! :D

I'm not member of PANF. :D

[Gilgamesh]

No, I don't know it well. Still, having civilized people (Russians) as neighbours, even in times of war, is much better than having to deal with savages (Turks, for example). You may lose land, but you don't lose population. When you retake the land, you don't slay the new settlers and so on. Part of the reason Finland is quite well off is that it's had the right neighbours and that includes Russians.

All of us, as Europeans and Whites in general, face much greater danger than the petty quarrels taking place between us (Whites). The small jew behind the curtain loves to see Finns hating Russians, Baltics hating Russians, Moldovans hating Romanians and what not. Imagine two brothers fighting over some stupid thing like a toy or a girl. It's not a matter of life and death, it's everyday life. But the obscure hook-nosed type, grinding the knife across the street with calculating grin, wants them both dead. He is the enemy.



Nothing but good feelings here too.


Seems that you don't know how many of us russians have killed in whole history? And they are not civilized people at all. We have those here and their white skin does not change the fact that they act like niggers or gipsies here.

And for a last time, my ideology is National Socialism, not american-based pan-whiteism.

[J.P. Slovjanski]

Seems that you don't know how many of us russians have killed in whole history? And they are not civilized people at all. We have those here and their white skin does not change the fact that they act like niggers or gipsies here.

And for a last time, my ideology is National Socialism, not american-based pan-whiteism.

That's a load of shit. Name one major European people that hasn't commited many atrocities in their history. The most victims of the Soviet Union were Russians themselves.

[Armenian]

Many immigrants from Turkey etc. here are racially armenoids.

Stupid, you have not seen any real Armenoids. You have only seen Turkish mongrels. Turks are a mix of Mongols, Kurds, Arabs, Persians, Armenians, Greeks, Jews and Slavs.

You don't know what an Armenoid is.

I have seen enough armenoids in my life, and propably will see every day when I go to city. You are disgusting race.

You have seen shit.

Perhaps you are just a teenager, or just simply stupid. I'm curious, do you consider the Assyrians, Hittites, Hurrians, Hyksos and Urartians inferior or disgusting as well? I ask this because all of the aforementioned nations were true Armenoids.

Here is link about Sumerian-language: http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/Sumer-phonology.htm

Stupid, the "facts" you are promoting were vauge "theories" devised over 150 years ago, they have been more-or-less refuted by modern studies.

Today, serious scholars consider Sumerian to be an independant language. Insinuations that Turkic "agglutinative" languages and the Sumerian "agglutinative" language are related is superficial, at best. Its like saying, since Latin and Turkish use vowels they must be related. Also, Caucasian languages are gender indifferent as well. These similarities mean nothing. All language groups have similarities with each other.

Sumerian was the first highly advanced civilization on earth. Therefore, during antiquity, the "independant" Sumerian language influenced proto-Aryan, proto-Semtic and proto-Turanid languages.

Sumerians were indeed proto-Armenians. Since you seem to be an idiot, I am not going to waste my time and try to prove my claim. However, I suggest you get your Turanid face out of the computer screen and go out into the real world and learn something.

By the way, Finno-Ugric and Turkic languages have a lot in common in linguistics, no? So, what does this say about your Turanid-Finnish folk? See, you *are* a non-Aryan Turk - deep down inside. This explains your anti-Russian and anti-Armenian hate.

Or can your armenoid-brains understand that?

My "Armenoid brain" is vastly superior to your turanian kin. Don't forget, your backward people were still running away naked from cave bears when my "Armenoid" ancestors were creating civilization that you now enjoy.

You cold blooded filth need to have respect for Slavs, especially Mother Russia. Without Russia you would all be Mongolian today. As a matter of fact, you Turanian folk better have respect for all Aryans, for without Aryans you would still be trying to master the art of making fire.

Don't forget, deep in your heart you are a Turk.

[Armenian]

That's a load of shit.

The Finno-turk is a load of shit.

The most victims of the Soviet Union were Russians themselves.

Correct. Moreover, Bolshevism was essentially an anti-Tsar anti-Orthodox Christian *Jewish* movement within Russia. All peoples within the former Soviet Union fell victim to Bolshevism one time or another.

This Finno-Turkic barbarian is simply stupid. For unfounded reasons he hates Russians and he thinks Turks are Armenian, LOL.

His hate of Russians and Armenians allies him to Turks, Chechens, Azeris and Jews, yet he is too stupid to realize it.

[anoush]

Seems that you don't know how many of us russians have killed in whole history? And they are not civilized people at all. We have those here and their white skin does not change the fact that they act like niggers or gipsies here.

And for a last time, my ideology is National Socialism, not american-based pan-whiteism.


Gilgamesh you supposed mongolian finn, are you posting from the library at the University of Helsinki and have you ever posted as TF, tudjo?

[Gilgamesh]

That's a load of shit. Name one major European people that hasn't commited many atrocities in their history. The most victims of the Soviet Union were Russians themselves.

Pan-Slavist talkin' :rolleyes:

[Gilgamesh]

Stupid, you have not seen any real Armenoids. You have only seen Turkish mongrels. Turks are a mix of Mongols, Kurds, Arabs, Persians, Armenians, Greeks, Jews and Slavs. You don't know what armenoid is?

I know enough well...

You have seen shit.

Perhaps you are just a teenager, or just simply stupid. I'm curious, do you consider the Assyrians, Hittites, Hurrians, Hyksos and Urartians inferior or disgusting as well? I ask this because all of the aforementioned nations were true Armenoids.

I happen consider every semitic-looking mongrils to inferior.

You cold blooded filth need to have respect for Slavs, especially Mother Russia. Without Russia you would all be Mongolian today. As a matter of fact, you Turanian folk better have respect for all Aryans, for without Aryans you would still be trying to master the art of making fire.

Mongolian? Didn't you know that Indo-Europeans have more mongoloid (actually malaijid) genes than what for example Finns have. Who can respect trash called russo-armenians? You speak like a jew, you think that your filthy nation has made something great. :p

His hate of Russians and Armenians allies him to Turks, Chechens, Azeris and Jews, yet he is too stupid to realize it.

Yes, I support Chechens in their war. I have no problems with Turks or Azeris if they stay in their own countries. And just for info to you that Russia has always been lackey of jews. Communism=judeo-russian co-operation!

Gilgamesh you supposed mongolian finn, are you posting from the library at the University of Helsinki and have you ever posted as TF, tudjo?

Mongolian Finn? Those have not ever been existed even. ;) You armo-scum could tell me from where you have stolen your computer? Like phraze says: "One armenian can cheat 12 jews" :D And with their filthy hook-noses, armos also looks like jews.

[Bolg]

Seems that you don't know how many of us russians have killed in whole history? And they are not civilized people at all. We have those here and their white skin does not change the fact that they act like niggers or gipsies here.

Post links. Let us morons know the facts. And speaking of gypsies, how could you be sure those you mention above weren't members of the fine gyp/jew races instead of Russians?

And for a last time, my ideology is National Socialism, not american-based pan-whiteism.


No! Last Tiem???!?!~

[J.P. Slovjanski]

http://www.ravintolazetor.fi/eng/hiztory/mannerheim.gif

The Proud Servant of the Tsar, Marshal Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim.

[alex]

Yes, I support Chechens in their war. I have no problems with Turks or Azeris if they stay in their own countries. And just for info to you that Russia has always been lackey of jews. Communism=judeo-russian co-operation!

I have to partly agree with our finnish friend here.I cannot understand why Russia just not gives the Chechens their autonomy,or independence.Big deal.Let them have the shitty place, nobody cares.Young Russian soldiers dying only to hinder the Chechens from declaring their autonomy/independence is a waste of life in my eyes.
Nevertheless i have to say that Siberia,or at least the bigger parts of it,belong rightfully in the hand of the Russian people.This is not imperialism.Many Siberian regions were totaly unknown to mankind before the first Russian explorers and settlers set their foot in.

[Gilgamesh]

http://www.ravintolazetor.fi/eng/hiztory/mannerheim.gif

The Proud Servant of the Tsar, Marshal Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim.

I respect what he did 1918 and in Winter War, but otherwise he is not my hero at all.

[Gilgamesh]

Want to see me do it? You translate

OK, I translate. :D

I-KIRJAIN maltillinen foorumi. I-KIRJAIN hankkia avara kalu. Munanvalkuainen herra herättää ja yhdistää vastaan Juutalaiset!

I-letter moderate forum. I-letter gets large dick. Egg white lord wakes and unites against jews!

Seems that net-translators not work good if you try to translate Finnish. ;)

[anoush]

I have to partly agree with our finnish friend here.I cannot understand why Russia just not gives the Chechens their autonomy,or independence.Big deal.Let them have the shitty place, nobody cares.Young Russian soldiers dying only to hinder the Chechens from declaring their autonomy/independence is a waste of life in my eyes.
Nevertheless i have to say that Siberia,or at least the bigger parts of it,belong rightfully in the hand of the Russian people.This is not imperialism.Many Siberian regions were totaly unknown to mankind before the first Russian explorers and settlers set their foot in.


Your finnish mongol friend is full of el s.hitski. And I completely disagree with you. Chechnya is Russia. Now they were given autonomy already, but they couldn't handle it and they weren't satisfied with it, just like ALL islamic expansionists. And I will tell you that most of those fighting against Russians are not even Chechens but islamic expansionists mainly from turkey. And I find it interesting that garbage like this guy all support that garbage. They went on to invade Dagestan and one of their leaders even admitted that their ultimate aim is to take the entire Caucasus. So the hell with that and you should not be supporting islamic expansionism into the heart of the great Russian nation.

That is the jew/islamic expansionist agenda.

[J.P. Slovjanski]

I respect what he did 1918 and in Winter War, but otherwise he is not my hero at all.


Obviously he could tell the difference between Russia and the Soviet Union. You however, cannot.

[alex]

Your finnish mongol friend is full of el s.hitski. And I completely disagree with you. Chechnya is Russia. Now they were given autonomy already, but they couldn't handle it and they weren't satisfied with it, just like ALL islamic expansionists. And I will tell you that most of those fighting against Russians are not even Chechens but islamic expansionists mainly from turkey. And I find it interesting that garbage like this guy all support that garbage. They went on to invade Dagestan and one of their leaders even admitted that their ultimate aim is to take the entire Caucasus. So the hell with that and you should not be supporting islamic expansionism into the heart of the great Russian nation.

That is the jew/islamic expansionist agenda.
So what? Let them have it.It may come as a shock to you,but: to hell with the muslim-dominated Caucasus! The Russian people would be better off without these muslim dominated regions anyway.I'm not supporting an islamistic expansion agenda.This "muslim" problem of Russia is homemade.They didnt open the borders and millions of muslims swarmed in,they rather conquered these muslim regions and are since then stuck with its muslim population.As far as i know these "Caucasians" dont see themselves as "ethnic Russians" and the Russians too dont see them that way.Indeed the mainstream Russian doesnt even consider these "Caucasian" people as white.Why not give independence to regions were more than 50% of these "caucasians" live?The rest can be regulated through population-exchanges (the remaining "caucasians" out from Russia,and the remaining Russians out of the Caucasus into Russia),with the option of reperations for lost property etc.That sounds fair to me.And voala! No more "muslim" problem in Russia.Instead of spending billions on the armed forces trying to control these "caucasians" and sacrificing the life of Russian soldiers,the new "pure" Russia can spend these dynamics into repopulating Siberia with pure Russian genetic stock.I dont see how there cant be a peaceful co-existance between Russia and the independent "caucasian" state based on mutual understanding and trade partnerships.

Now i know that you as an Armenian are scared.Its ok,i understand your fears.Tiny Armenia surounded by "evil" muslim states.But here too a peaceful co-existance is possible.Why spending millions upon millions on armed forces when this money can be used for the betterment of the quality of life in these regions,including Armenia.Is a life,living in fear really worth it?

[Gilgamesh]

So what? Let them have it.It may come as a shock to you,but: to hell with the muslim-dominated Caucasus! The Russian people would be better off without these muslim dominated regions anyway.I'm not supporting an islamistic expansion agenda.This "muslim" problem of Russia is homemade.They didnt open the borders and millions of muslims swarmed in,they rather conquered these muslim regions and are since then stuck with its muslim population.As far as i know these "Caucasians" dont see themselves as "ethnic Russians" and the Russians too dont see them that way.Indeed the mainstream Russian doesnt even consider these "Caucasian" people as white.Why not give independence to regions were more than 50% of these "caucasians" live?The rest can be regulated through population-exchanges (the remaining "caucasians" out from Russia,and the remaining Russians out of the Caucasus into Russia),with the option of reperations for lost property etc.That sounds fair to me.And voala! No more "muslim" problem in Russia.Instead of spending billions on the armed forces trying to control these "caucasians" and sacrificing the life of Russian soldiers,the new "pure" Russia can spend these dynamics into repopulating Siberia with pure Russian genetic stock.I dont see how there cant be a peaceful co-existance between Russia and the independent "caucasian" state based on mutual understanding and trade partnerships.

Now i know that you as an Armenian are scared.Its ok,i understand your fears.Tiny Armenia surounded by "evil" muslim states.But here too a peaceful co-existance is possible.Why spending millions upon millions on armed forces when this money can be used for the betterment of the quality of life in these regions,including Armenia.Is a life,living in fear really worth it?


Good words Alex. :cheers:

Are you German? If yes, then I don't wonder why we can agree atleast about something. :)

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

OK, I translate. :D

......Seems that net-translators not work good if you try to translate Finnish. ;)

Ha, that was an interesting experiment. Thanks.

[alex]

Good words Alex. :cheers:

Are you German? If yes, then I don't wonder why we can agree atleast about something. :)

Yes i am German.Well i think that friendship and peaceful co-existance is possible with all kinds of nations as long as these and their populations respect eachothers borders.I do imagine,for example, that even some kind of peaceful co-existance with the black race is possible as long of course as they stay in Africa and out of the white mans land.I do try to see the problem from every possible angle.I try to see it as a Russian,as a Finnish nationalist,as an Armenian and of course as a German NS.I'm not ignorant of the issues and the problems such solutions bring and i understand the fears some have.The hurt pride of the Russian seeing the loss of some of the "empire's" territory,the fear of the small christian armenian-state which feels sorounded only by enemies,namely muslim nations, etc.
I know of these things and i understand them.

(Maybe Germans should rule over the world.There would be less conflicts and more prosperity for all kinds of people ;) Just joking)

[Ural]

Finns? Ah, those guys who travel to Sankt Petersburg to get freakingly drunk. Their glassy eyes and red faces are easily recognizable. :p
well, I still repect Finland for fighting against Soviet invasion. As wel I respect the Armenians from Armenia - They are christians and the quite intelligent people. Sure, some are trash and criminals but we can say that about any nationality.

Russian land included Alaska while ago. Siberia rightfully belongs to the Russians. Buryats, Komi and bunch of the other nationalities most likely would be extinct by now if not the Russians. BTW, I never heard about any racial violence between them and the Russians. They live in peace side by side by centuries, and will continue the same way, no matter what some gilgameshes have to say.

If to follow gilgamesh' logic, America should belong to Indians, Australia and NZ to aborigens and so on. They could have lived on the land but the states were created by the white people.

[AfroRussian]

I have to partly agree with our finnish friend here.I cannot understand why Russia just not gives the Chechens their autonomy,or independence.Big deal.Let them have the shitty place, nobody cares.Young Russian soldiers dying only to hinder the Chechens from declaring their autonomy/independence is a waste of life in my eyes.
Nevertheless i have to say that Siberia,or at least the bigger parts of it,belong rightfully in the hand of the Russian people.This is not imperialism.Many Siberian regions were totaly unknown to mankind before the first Russian explorers and settlers set their foot in.


It's more complicated than Chechens vs Russians. Chechens don't want just Chechnya they want all the Muslim provinces in Russia, such as Dagestan, Ingushetia, etc. They then want to form a large united Muslim state. For obvious reasons this can not be tolerated on the Russian border.

Also there are many ethnic groups who consider themselves Russian and speak only the Russian language, but are not racially Slavic, these are the North and South Ossetians, these peoples are actually Iranian in ethnic origin.

Russia has to be multinational on at least some level, which I don't think is in any way bad or harmful as long as the different races are kept more or less separate in their own territories.

[alex]

It's more complicated than Chechens vs Russians. Chechens don't want just Chechnya they want all the Muslim provinces in Russia, such as Dagestan, Ingushetia, etc. They then want to form a large united Muslim state. For obvious reasons this can not be tolerated on the Russian border.

Also there are many ethnic groups who consider themselves Russian and speak only the Russian language, but are not racially Slavic, these are the North and South Ossetians, these peoples are actually Iranian in ethnic origin.

Russia has to be multinational on at least some level, which I don't think is in any way bad or harmful as long as the different races are kept more or less separate in their own territories.
I did google the "ethnic minorities in Russia" and found this interesting 1989-ethnic minority Census: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/russia_ethnic94.jpg

1989 is way past but this map gives a better apprehension of the "Russian problem".In the map its stated that only 9% of those living in Dagestan are Russians.What a shitty place. Let the muslims get it.Also i dont see how a muslim "Caucasian" state is in any way dangerous to Russia.

Although not beeing a Russia-expert myself from what i've learned all these years is that Russians dont like all those "Caucasians".They dont consider those "Caucasians" as beeing Russians and NS there consider those Caucasians even as non-whites.I strongly disagree that Russia should remain a "multinational state" since homogeneity is strength.

Anyway thats a Russian problem which the Russians themselves have to solve.

[alex]

I will post an article explaining the real political situation in Russia today, because one needs to understand the long way from "democracy" to a "national socialist state" and how the ruling elites react to the changing situations:


How the Kremlin Wants to Polish its Image Abroad

By Jörg R. Mettke

As Russia takes over the rotating presidency of the G8 group of leading industrialized nations this month, Moscow's political elites are annoyed by the country's poor image at home and abroad. But the Kremlin hopes to bolster its influence both domestically and internationally by stoking Soviet-style militaristic patriotism.

Currently locked in a dispute with Ukraine over the price of natural gas, Russia appears less shy about reasserting its regional dominance these days. But using its vast energy wealth to flex its muscles is only part of Moscow's strategy to get Russia the respect the country's people believe it deserves. By resurrecting Soviet-era posturing, Russian officials hope to impress both their own citizens and foreigners -- especially those from the former Soviet republics.

Such grand aims can have humble beginnings, including a heavy metal concert on the fairgrounds of Moscow's working-class Kuzminki district. Fans wade through ankle-deep trash of beer cans and discarded paper shashlik plates, as they sway to the patriotic music of the band Pilgrim: "Holy Rus, we keep the faith."

Sponsored by the ruling Kremlin party United Russia, the spectacle is free for the visibly inebriated concertgoers. But the public drunkenness doesn't seem to bother the organizers much, nor does the fact that the slogan on a massive banner, "For Russia's Glory," was once the motto of Russia's fascists. "We are the craziest of them all," an MC shouts from the stage. "We Russians will show the whole world!"

A constantly filming party functionary believes he's witnessing "a completely new image of Russia" at the concert that needs to be "shown to the entire world." Whether he's right or not, at least he's in good company. Nothing seems to move Russia's political elite at the moment more than the worry that the country is not taken seriously enough abroad.

"We can do whatever we want," complains a Kremlin official. "For the western world we'll remain the Balalaika-playing bears." His boss, Russian President Vladimir Putin, recently complained to foreign scientists and journalists that the West was simply not interested in having a strong Russia as a partner. Others in his administration are less restrained in their language and speak of an an ongoing Cold War being waged against Moscow.

"Russians are the Jews of the 21st century," says Kremlin advisor Gleb Pavlovsky. According to his victimization analysis, his countrymen are "objectively today's pariahs in Europe." The powerful political consultant is considered one of forces behind Putin's rise, and many inside the Kremlin believe he could pack the power of an entire psychological warfare department. Once susceptible to theatrical conspiracy theories, the former history teacher continues to oscillate between very Russian mood swings between imperial euphoria and a national inferiority complex.

In order to keep anti-Russian images from the West -- or what Pavlovsky calls "European civilization" -- from infecting the Motherland, the government has decided to embark on a patriotic vaccination program. For non-Russian speakers, a new English-language television station called Russia Today went on the air in mid-December, with generous government backing of $30 million. Meanwhile, at home, both schools and barracks are being targeted for more pre-packaged patriotic propaganda.

The country's central and regional TV and radio broadcasters are all expected to introduce regular "patriotic citizen education" programs. There are even plans to distribute the national anthem with its familiar melody from Soviet times amongst the population in a particularly emotional version by the Alexandrov Ensemble, which was once the parade band of the Red Army.

The aim of the efforts is purportedly "to increase the awe of state symbolism and develop patriotic feelings among the citizenry of the Russian Federation," according to the normally government-friendly Russian newspaper Izvestiya. The paper complained that the campaign had clear "militaristic leanings."

However, the Kremlin has even more planned: the government has started a new monthly publication called "Patriot of the Motherland"; it's backing national festivities on the "Day of Military Service"; it's holding a scientific conference on the topic "Moral Foundations of Patriotism," and even organizing patriotic games -- for roughly €14 million. All in the service of polishing the image of the Russian state.

As if that's not enough, "the creative potential of journalists, authors and filmmakers in the area of patriotic education" is to be developed. Sergei Mironov, the head of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation and a Putin-backer, is convinced that if Moscow doesn't put out enough propaganda about Russia, others will. "The honor of the homeland is an expensive undertaking," he says, explaining how the West has "learned very well to hurt us and portray us in a bad light." Experts put the price tag on the Kremlin's PR campaign for the Motherland at over €100 million annually.

A few months beforehand a senior official in the Russian foreign ministry estimated that it would cost far more to give Russia a positive foreign image. He said the government would have to earmark at least a billion euros a year for a decade, about the same amount the United States spends on sprucing up its tarnished reputation. "No one has ever managed to revamp a country's image in a short time," the diplomat said.

But Putin wants to do just that, especially because he is chairing the G8 group of leading industrial nations for the first time this year. He wants to start by staging an international mega-event in his home town of St. Petersburg in July, when he will host a summit of G8 leaders.

Old and gloomy Russian cliches

Even before the change of power in the Kremlin six years ago, Moscow began taking steps to change its image abroad. Foreign media organizations and their correspondents were again sorted and given labels like "enemy" or "cooperative" just as they were in the days of the Soviet Union. Around that time, the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, an organization of the Moscow intelligentsia aimed at popularizing the liberal-conservative superpower ideology, formulated a new idea. On the markets of the global information society, its members argued, it is no longer so important "how a country really is, but rather how it appears and is represented." Some countries have a "clearly overinflated image," but Russia, on the other hand, "despite the recognition of all its problems, is clearly underrated."

There's nothing new about these types of complaints. Gloomy Russian cliches have long persisted and have been nurtured by public and published opinion abroard. According to a poll conducted two years ago in Germany, 43 percent of those surveyed said they didn't know a single Russian author and 67 percent said they knew of no composers.

"Even in the most developed countries," Fyoder Dostoevsky lamented some 128 years ago, "people speak nonsense" about Russia. He wondered why enlightened people hadn't bothered to get to better know a country they had long hated and feared.

Russia gained little lasting credit in western Europe for its devastating strike against Napoleon at the start of the 19th century, or for absorbing the Tartars on their westward drive. When Europe's powers began dispatching emissaries to the east, their reports back about despotism and serfdom shaped a western view of Russia that persists to this day.

Back then, tens of thousands of settlers moved to Russia with the same enthusiasm shown by those who emigrated to America. German philosopher Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz swore that he preferred, with the help of Peter the Great, to "do much good with the Russians than little with the Germans or other Europeans." Prussian officers were stationed at the court of the czar and a century later German revolutionaries made pilgrimages to visit Russia's Communist government after the October revolution.

But after a short spell of freedom, the country Lenin had called the "prison of nations" only got a new coat of paint and a new name. Meanwhile, the racism and militant anti-communism of Nazi Germany created prejudices about Russia that lasted beyond the collapse of the Third Reich in 1945. Historian Wolfram Wette said that view of Russia even helped democratic postwar Germany to carve out a new identity for itself.

Old fears of the east were forgotten only briefly amid the euphoria surrounding "Gorby" -- Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, who allowed the Berlin Wall to fall -- and romantic hopes of democratization in the east. The opening of eastern borders rapidly led to a new fear of a wave of eastern crime sweeping westwards from an unpredictable Russia.

New, updated Russian cliches

The golden toilet seats of Russia's new rich, their yachts and villas, combined with mass poverty, mafia killers and corruption, rough justice, the secret services' sinister grab for power, excesses by the army, and the brutal suppression of rebellious Chechens have all added up over the last 15 years to forge a western view of Russia that is both right and wrong.

Right, because facts were almost always well researched and correctly reported. Wrong, because the daily reality would often be blended out. In sum, the image that ensued irritated the Kremlin -- so much so that its propagandists often seemed to forget they had created the problems themselves.

Whereas the Soviet leaders were once angered by caricatures like Ronald Reagan's "Evil Empire" or former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt's "Upper Volta with Nuclear Missiles," at the end of former President Boris Yeltsin's reign, Moscow elites were greeted with descriptions of their country as a "bankrupt zone of nuclear anarchy" (former US Congressman Dick Armey) or the "world's most virulent kleptocracy" (current Congressman Jim Leach).

In Germany, where irony is heavy-handed and often confused with polemic, the magazine Stern last summer laid into Russian tourists on Turkish and Egyptian beaches: former Soviet people were "built as short and robust as a T-34 tank," boozing, pushy -- and the worst were the "assholes from the Caucusus."

No wonder then, that Moscow marketing specialist Alexander Pankruchin's six years of arduously sanding and polishing Putin propaganda has done so little to change the selective perception of Russia abroad. "In the USA," people think "that we're anti-Semites and totally Third World." The French are "afraid of the Russian mafia and any sudden mess in our country."

But the maliciousness or ignorance of some foreign observers is hardly the only problem. International statistics on Russia's reputation, the amount of respect it pays to civil rights, and its economic probity throw up shadows, rather than light:

* In the index of economic freedoms compiled by the Heritage Foundation and the Wall Street Journal, Russia landed in slot 124 of 162 countries -- a decline of 10 places in one year.

* Transparency International's corruption index places Russia in slot 126 out of 159 countries -- a decline of 36 places.

* The United Nations' human development report ranks Russia at 62 out of 177 countries

* In terms of freedom of press, the organization Reporters Without Borders ranks Russia at 138 out of 167 countries.

The only person who seems to have benefited from the PR campaign is Vladimir Putin himself. The help he's gotten from other foreign leaders, like former German chancellor Gerhard Schröder -- who famously called Putin a "flawless democrat" -- hasn't hurt either. Then, of course, there's this zinger from a recent brochure published by the Association of German Businesses in Russia: "When you begin to work in Russia, you'll quickly forget everything you've read about Russia in the German media."

But even as Schröder spoke in Germany of his "increasingly realistic picture of Russia," last April some members of an official group on Russian-German relations criticized Germany for perpetrating its worst-ever image of Russia.

The dilemma is clear: the negative picture Russia projects abroad is developing faster than the Kremlin's retouchers can plaster it over with images of the economic boom.

Despite being small and outnumbered, Russia's cheerleaders ironically control a good number of the electronic images broadcast in the rest of the world. This is despite the fact that, domestically, they are harassed by the state bureaucracy. The same is true for local foundations, which have recently been placed under government control or have been forced to shut down. The government has also made life a lot harder for the foreign media: last summer American television broadcaster ABC lost its permit to operate in Russia, Al-Jazeera has been forced to recall its reporters, and Germany's foreign broadcaster, Deutsche Welle, temporarily lost its license last summer.

Moscow's leaders seem unaware that this domestic state of affairs is shaping how foreigners view Russia. This lack of awareness of its foreign reputation even applies to the former Soviet republics, where a new agency has been set up to airbrush Russia's image. "Russia and the Russian language represent freedom, the possibility of greater freedom and huge possibilities," said the agency's chief, Modest Kolerov, 42. The Ukrainians, who have just had their gas supply switched off by Russia in a price dispute, may see things differently.

Kolerov has served many masters -- banks, publishers and governors of various political persuasions. He sees improving Russia's foreign image as one of the top national priorities. "That's a war in which we're still far away from the triumph of 1945," he said. "At the moment we're still in the terrible year of 1941."

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,393320,00.html