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David Marsh
November 24th, 2005, 02:16 AM
If TSHTF, what would you need to keep a couple families going? Does anybody possess this knowledge? I would guess some chickens for eggs, cows for milk, a water source close to the originating source, veggie garden, some fruit trees, wheat???, ??????

What would be a good animal to raise for meat? It's fascinating how much of our economy is useless crap production. If we focused on the essentials, life would be so much richer and freer.

Sean Martin
November 24th, 2005, 02:35 AM
Ok first off you don’t just buy chickens, cows and hogs with the hope that they will fatten themselves. You need to feed them. For the few animals we have we buy 300 pounds of feed twice a week. That is almost 100 pounds a day. Not to mention the rest of the food we feed them. So our animals take over 100 pounds a day to survive. We don’t have any cattle, horses or any other large animals. Then these animals will require water and lots of it.

A good garden to keep a family of 3 would have to be over 2 acres. Also you would have to protect it from pests. We had a truckload of watermelons destroyed by deer this year.

It is good you are taking an interest now, the sooner the better. It takes a couple years to establish a small farm and learn the best methods of growth.

If you are preparing I would recommend stocking up on things you eat, such as canned food or box food. Nothing frozen or cold. Buy a case instead of a can or box. Then keep a case extra. People stock up on MRE’s but those things are poison and if you are not used to them they will rip up your digestive tract just when you need to be the most active. Buy extra and rotate. Use the stuff and by purchasing extra you will have a months supply of food or more, where everyone else would have a day or a week at most. Most people I know don’t keep enough food in their house to last 3 days.

Stock up on water as well. I use distilled water for drinking and cooking. When I buy it I buy about 10 gallons and keep that much reserve.

This is a good topic and I know you don’t want to sift through my 5,000 + posts but I have covered this topic several times in the past. I strongly recommend reading the works of Kurt Saxon. He has some really good material on the subject. The best I have ever read, no nonsense and to the point. His books are about starting life over like the 1800’s and completely off the grid and self-sufficient. Call him and talk to him. The best series is “The Survivor”. I know a $50 investment may seem like a bit much now, but if the balloon ever does go up that investment may save your life.


www.kurtsaxon.com
www.survivalplus.com



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My neighbor turned about 30 rabbits lose here a couple years back so we would have some meat in time of famine. In less then one year a hunter came and killed 238 rabbits all that existed in the period of one day. He then threw them over a hill. We have plenty game but it is cleaned up daily by hunters and poachers.

Other than that I recommend rabbits, they can survive and produce at a rapid rate. Just keep them away from your garden as they will destroy one quickly. Rattle snake is good meat as well.


Kurt is a former racist and still is but he doesn't promote it in his works as he sticks to survival.

http://www.survivalplus.com/images/Kurtpic.jpg

KURT SAXON ON SURVIVAL:
Kurt Saxon, owner of Atlan Formularies, is the father of Survivalism. He coined the word. For years he's collected knowledge on trades, crafts, cottage industries and survival skills from a past when our immediate ancestors had to do for themselves on a day to day basis. His work is in anticipation of a time when our overcrowded and down-bred system goes the way of Rome.

His program is in no way political, racist or religious. He leaves such considerations to those who seek security in belief rather than practical knowledge.

The only inalienable right is to die for ones beliefs. Those who choose beliefs over knowledge, as well as those who don't know the difference, will not survive the collapse. In most cases, they will have done the only good thing they have ever done, which is to take their defective genes out of our species.

Atlan Formularies supplies the knowledge to survive. Those who reject such knowledge are welcome to share the fate of the rest of the doomed herd.

odin
November 24th, 2005, 08:39 AM
People stock up on MRE’s but those things are poison and if you are not used to them they will rip up your digestive tractCare to elaborate?

Sean Martin
November 24th, 2005, 09:04 AM
There is an excellent article somewhere on this forum about them. Also if your body isn’t used to them they will bind you up. The last thing you need is to be in the middle of fighting off invading hordes of groids only to discover you are bound up and getting cramps.

Use the search function to find MRE, as I am sure your connection is faster than my pitiful 56 K.

Never mind I will post some articles for you.

http://hpscleansing.com/group/showthread.php?t=1263


I searched MRE and it wouldn’t allow me to search that phrase. Then I searched poison and got to page 10 in results before giving up. But there is a good article on VNNF, I just can’t locate it.


Here is a thread on microfarming
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=19500

Here is one of my threads outlining how to grow veggies in an apartment building or something similar.

Short on land and want fresh veggies? Here is how you can do it the SDM way

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=19548


Care to elaborate?