WTF is this?

[Lord Sidious]

I just went to $camfront to have a look at the latest non-events over there and found this, http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/may-26-28-patriot-gathering-385968.html
So now, not only do they not promote the Knoxville rally because we organised it, but now they promote a competing event? WTF sort of show are they running over there? :mad:

[McKinley]

I just went to $camfront to have a look at the latest non-events over there and found this, http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/may-26-28-patriot-gathering-385968.html
So now, not only do they not promote the Knoxville rally because we organised it, but now they promote a competing event? WTF sort of show are they running over there? :mad:

And imagine you wasted so much valuable time over there.

[Lord Sidious]

And imagine you wasted so much valuable time over there.

Not really, I was there for a couple of reasons. To reach those who needed help and to make contacts. I achieved both. I have been a member here almost as long as there. A matter of weeks less.

[fdtwainth]

I just went to $camfront to have a look at the latest non-events over there and found this, http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/may-26-28-patriot-gathering-385968.html
So now, not only do they not promote the Knoxville rally because we organised it, but now they promote a competing event? WTF sort of show are they running over there? :mad:

Should we care about this, Comrade: in my humble opinion, the more publicity over Knoxville murders, the better, even if this means two competing events. And the base behavior of Stromfront towards White Nationalist activists is nor secret, unfortunately.

[East Tennessee]

I hope this clears a few things up. One main reason why Pastor Ken is having the rally in June is because he gave his word before this rally in May was set up to be at another rally the very same day this one is. well folks things happen and he is a man of his word so we decided to have one in June. no hard feelings in fact on the websites Both rallies are listed with no groups claiming the websites for their own. They were registered privately
www.channonchristian.com
www.christophernewsom.com

[Mark Faust]

Just more "look at us!" attempts by gayfront that's all. I am amazed at how horribly gayfront is taking it that VNN has become the home for true activism and white media. You would think that they would be happy that VNN is doing so much more than gayfront and give a good salute and some thanks like we would do if the shoe was on the other foot.

[Aimee]

I hope this clears a few things up. One main reason why Pastor Ken is having the rally in June is because he gave his word before this rally in May was set up to be at another rally the very same day this one is. well folks things happen and he is a man of his word so we decided to have one in June. no hard feelings in fact on the websites Both rallies are listed with no groups claiming the websites for their own. They were registered privately
www.channonchristian.com
www.christophernewsom.com
That thread he linked isn't about the June rally. The link is about the "Patriot's Gathering" that they hastily threw together, in order to take people from this important rally. There's no other reason that SF has come up with this idea all of a sudden. They know VNN, Alex, and the other members here are getting something done. They can't stand it.

They aren't willing to organize something like this, or help with it being done. They want to plan 3 day long "field trips." Yeah, a trip to a museum is really much more important that exposing the media's covering up of stories.

They set this up merely to detract from the good work VNN has been doing. Fuck them and their "gathering." I'll be in Knoxville, with Whites who care more about our problems, than looking at a piece of friggin' art.

[East Tennessee]

There has always been people trying to keep white folks from working with others.

[YANKEE_JIM]

They aren't willing to organize something like this, or help with it being done. They want to plan 3 day long "field trips." Yeah, a trip to a museum is really much more important that exposing the media's covering up of stories.

They set this up merely to detract from the good work VNN has been doing. Fuck them and their "gathering." I'll be in Knoxville, with Whites who care more about our problems, than looking at a piece of friggin' art.


Are you serious? Is that really what's going to happen?

I know this is going to sound funny...but, I still believe there's a place for Stormfront. Even after that baby shit jackie (boot) pulled on me.

I think there's still a link to SF on The Hudson Valley Freeman (http://thehudsonvalleyfreeman.blogspot.com/). ;)


-Jim

[McKinley]

ET, I am glad you came over here to clear things up about your alls event, thanks.

I went over to your thread at SF about your rally, to ask a few quitions and to say we should unite as one.

That post never did get posted, but what I wrote is posted somewhere on VNNF. That was about three or four weeks ago.

I tried to post something last night on SF where someone is bad mouthing a good friend of mine and a great actavist(Mich Bubba). As of now I still do not see my post.

I believe that the powers that be on SF are a cancer too our volk and should be radiated for high treason. I would not normally say this about fellow WN but their actions speak volumes.

With their shinanigans they are doing great damage of dividing us. It's no wonder the enemy is winnig right now. Itz all bullshit.

I hope you decide to post more often on VNNF ET we always need more White Patriots around these here parts.

Thanks again!

[Lord Sidious]

Are you serious? Is that really what's going to happen?

I know this is going to sound funny...but, I still believe there's a place for Stormfront. Even after that baby shit jackie (boot) pulled on me.

I think there's still a link to SF on The Hudson Valley Freeman (http://thehudsonvalleyfreeman.blogspot.com/). ;)


-Jim

You know Jim, I did believe that, hence me going back there. After I saw what they are REALLY like, I found that there is NO place for the admin of that site in WN. They are liars, gameplayers and egotists. We are better off without them. I just feel sad about all the good folk who get screwed around by them.

[OTPTT]

If and when the time comes the people at Stormfront will have to be dealt with in a swift and furious manner. It should be clear to everyone who is behind their curtain and calls the shots. No mercy and no quarter for those bastards.

[Donnie in Ohio]

If and when the time comes the people at Stormfront will have to be dealt with in a swift and furious manner. It should be clear to everyone who is behind their curtain and calls the shots. No mercy and no quarter for those bastards.

Whoa there, Buckaroo... "All on the same side" and all that rubbish.

Stormfront is like kindergarten.

VNNF is like USMC bootcamp. (I've been to both)

Would you send a 7 year old to Parris Island? Of course not. They would just cry, and get nothing from it...Now send a young Aryan MAN there, and things happen. He learns how to fight...How to lead.

We are all on different points in the WN timeline....Cut 'em some slack. Many will come around.

[OTPTT]

VNNF is like USMC bootcamp. (I've been to both) ... We are all on different points in the WN timeline....Cut 'em some slack. Many will come around.

Forgive me if I have failed to understand what exactly is going on over there. I've tried to stay out of the internal bickering but all I see from Stormfront is an ongoing campaign to dilute and malign anything that the people who frequent VNN do. What am I missing here?

If they're actually working for white interests I don't see it. Banning people for mentioning the Knoxville rally. Banning people for mentioning VNN. And now they are deliberately working to dilute the Knoxville rally by holding some so-called patriot gig.

I'll say it again. If and when the time comes they will have to be dealt with in the swiftest and most definitive way possible. No mercy, no quarter. Nothing but pure, emotionally detached, righteous judgment.

Of course that may not be necessary since they seem to be doing a good job of killing their own organization without any outside influence.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Forgive me if I have failed to understand what exactly is going on over there. I've tried to stay out of the internal bickering but all I see from Stormfront is an ongoing campaign to dilute and malign anything that the people who frequent VNN do. What am I missing here?

If they're actually working for white interests I don't see it. Banning people for mentioning the Knoxville rally. Banning people for mentioning VNN. And now they are deliberately working to dilute the Knoxville rally by holding some so-called patriot gig.

I'll say it again. If and when the time comes they will have to be dealt with in the swiftest and most definitive way possible. No mercy, no quarter. Nothing but pure, emotionally detached, righteous judgment.

Of course that may not be necessary since they seem to be doing a good job of killing their own organization without any outside influence.


Just let it die on the vine, Brother. We both know it's coming.

The ascension of VNNF was inevitable, in my opinion.

I'm a "big picture" kinda guy.

You and I are VNNers. Why piss on the hundreds who will soon find themselves in HMS Stormfront lifeboats?

[Ron Doggett]

The event in New Jersey was planned prior to the announcement of the Knoxville rally date as Elisha stated. Also planned for that weekend a Holocaust revision Conference in Hillsboro WV also planned prior to the date being announced. Nordic Fest in Kentucky is held every Memorial Day weekend and has been for a few years now as is a conference at the KKKK headquarters in AK.
I doubt anyone is going to the trouble to put together a meeting or conference to mess up the Knoxville rally.
The second round of demonstrations in Knoxville going on June 16th are also in no way an effort to undermine the first rally, and should be saluted not attacked. Check out East TN's posts why it's being done that way.
If the Knoxville event is going to be a success it will need local support from at least a part of the White public in that area of TN. If the event is depending on people coming hundreds or a thousand miles it's success will be limited. There are a million White people within that region, among that million are a large number of Whites who agree with us to a degree and could support our efforts. How VNN works that region just prior to the event is going to be the key, and I'm sad to say I have no knowledge of how they are doing that or if they even plan to do so.

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, I messed up. They organised their deal first. That still doesn't excuse them for not promoting the Knoxville rally. Every nugget that wants to play ego or petty games, should be forced to look at the pics of the victims once an hour, all day, for the next 6 months.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Ok, I messed up. They organised their deal first. That still doesn't excuse them for not promoting the Knoxville rally. Every nugget that wants to play ego or petty games, should be forced to look at the pics of the victims once an hour, all day, for the next 6 months.

Agreed, My Lord.

Those who read this thread, no matter where "home" is, need to understand that this thing is bigger than our individual egos. It's closing time, Lads..

Stand up.

Stormfronters:

I'm 6'3 235, Ex Force Recon Marine.. Stand with/behind me and other VNNers, in Knoxville.

Get involved.

[Aimee]

If it wasn't hastily thrown together, so be it. That announcement, and the only other thing I've seen about it from SF, all came well AFTER the VNN plans were made known. SF "events" used to be announced, and Jamie's cheerleading threads made, MONTHS in advance.

Oh, and Elisha, you made no mention of what kind of event, not in that post, nor the one you made when I announced the date for the Knoxville rally. So you'll have to forgive me for my ESP being on the blink that day, and not knowing you were talking about some SF event that I hadn't even seen talked about until here recently.

[Donnie in Ohio]

If it wasn't hastily thrown together, so be it. That announcement, and the only other thing I've seen about it from SF, all came well AFTER the VNN plans were made known. SF "events" used to be announced, and Jamie's cheerleading threads made, MONTHS in advance.
Oh, and Elisha, you made no mention of what kind of event, not in that post, nor the one you made when I announced the date for the Knoxville rally. So you'll have to forgive me for my ESP being on the blink that day, and not knowing you were talking about some SF event that I hadn't even seen talked about until here recently.

No shit?

CAL's threads looked like Walt Disney threw up. Not that you SF fucks would get that reference..lol

[MjolnirStrike]

Wow...a three day circle-jerk in lovely New Jersey :cool:

[OTPTT]

Working together is only possible if two groups are willing to work together. It appears that only one group is willing and it isn't SF.

By the way Knoxville isn't the time or place to bring the children. Oh and neither is the SF get together. Leave your children with a trusted relative especially the 10 year-old girls if you are going to the patriotard shindig.

[Briseis]

You know Jim, I did believe that, hence me going back there. After I saw what they are REALLY like, I found that there is NO place for the admin of that site in WN. They are liars, gameplayers and egotists. We are better off without them. I just feel sad about all the good folk who get screwed around by them.

Working together is only possible if two groups are willing to work together. It appears that only one group is willing and it isn't SF.

By the way Knoxville isn't the time or place to bring the children. Oh and neither is the SF get together. Leave your children with a trusted relative especially the 10 year-old girls if you are going to the patriotard shindig.




what is funny is how in the "WN world" we see these huuuge differences, VNN vS SF, SF VS AMRen, whoever VS OD, VS Phora, etc etc..
but the 'people on the outside' they probably don't.
A lot of it is the language thing- I dont go around N-This N-that, and Im not going to try and play the "oh , I was raised in this 'nice, middle-class way' blah blah" or "I dont want to offend people"... I don't say it because I feel hypocritical saying it in the sense I dont live around it. I feel almost like I havent "earned the right to use the N word".. how's that for "incorrect"?
Anyway, the use of this and of course the "he-man woman-haters club" stuff bothers some people, and by this I dont mean "SF people", just most people in the 'Kwa. I look at it like maybe they will benefit in some way by the WN lite version that the other groups will present, it offers yet another WN thing on the menu, hence it doesnt take away from the VNN showing. Not everyone is "up for " hardcore racists, some prefer the "slow dance" style. Those people may eventually get here. Look at Dietrich, didnt he say he came in through AmRen or one of those other places? He was smart enough to keep going with it and find out for himself.
Try to look at these other groups as an opportunity rather than a threat. Im sure it wont be hard to find out where they will be, and perhaps have someone show up there anyway, and pass out flyers or whatever. We are looking at things again, in that stilted, tiny-little-world way that does not pay off. Let us say things get ugly there, I am hoping not, but the demographics being what they are, you just never know. In that case, it wouldn't be SF vs VNN, that would be stupid.
This place may not be doing things the way SF does things, but that doesnt mean they are sabotaging us or are a threat. In fact, I would take it more like this:

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
C. C. Colton (1780–1832): The Lacon.

[YANKEE_JIM]

This place may not be doing things the way SF does things, but that doesnt mean they are sabotaging us


You did hear Jackie's (boot) little "board wars" nonsense...didn't you? ;)

I honestly didn't think he could stoop to such a level of childishness.


-Jim

[YANKEE_JIM]

Don't know why you'd say that; I'd say they're pretty darn safe. Now.



So...what you're saying is that your husband likes very young girls?

I mean...that's not a very direct way of putting it, but is that basically what you're saying?


-Jim

[jimbrolin]

Are you serious? Is that really what's going to happen?
-Jim

Yankee Jim,

These are friends of both of us. Don't know how it happened, but I just heard about the Patriot thing Friday after a phone call from JK who is concerned about using the Hall at this sensitive point in time. Will call RL in a few minutes to see what's up.

The Knoxville Rally, me thniks, is paramount and takes precedence over all else.

Jim

[McKinley]

So...what you're saying is that your husband likes very young girls?

I mean...that's not a very direct way of putting it, but is that basically what you're saying?


-Jim

That is the conclusion I got from that statment also. If that was not a swipe at her husband, then what is?

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, the Dark Side of the Force let me down this time. I got my facts wrong. Not the first time and certainly not the last time. I was contacted by the organiser of the NJ conference. He had organised it around new year and got the date just after the murders in Knoxville occurred.

So I apologise to him and his crew. It was not intended to insult or berate them, they are members of $camfront, not admin or mods.
However, I am still pissed off that the admin there can't 'lower' themselves enough to help with a worthy cause such as the rally.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Ok, the Dark Side of the Force let me down this time. I got my facts wrong. Not the first time and certainly not the last time. I was contacted by the organiser of the NJ conference. He had organised it around new year and got the date just after the murders in Knoxville occurred.

So I apologise to him and his crew. It was not intended to insult or berate them, they are members of $camfront, not admin or mods.
However, I am still pissed off that the admin there can't 'lower' themselves enough to help with a worthy cause such as the rally.


Hey, shit happens, you know?

For your penance, say 5 Hail Don's and 10 Our Boot's.

All's forgiven :)

[EURO]

If you attend the SF event keep your children at home. Since they back Joe Fields and Kevin Strom ,there's a greater chance your children will be in more danger from SF and their backers than the ara crowd.

[Ron Doggett]

If you attend the SF event keep your children at home. Since they back Joe Fields and Kevin Strom ,there's a greater chance your children will be in more danger from SF and their backers than the ara crowd.

There is no Stormfront event on this issue. The other demo is being organized by a group of White patriots in TN. It's only connection to Stormfront is that it was announced on their events section. If one can't make the Memorial rally because of the date they should go to the 16th of June demo. Stormfront is advertising a national leaflet distribution about the murders on the upcoming weekend of the 18th through the 20th but all pro-White groups including VNN have been asked to join in, it also is not just a Stormfront deal.

[Frank Simmet]

There is no Stormfront event on this issue. The other demo is being organized by a group of White patriots in TN. It's only connection to Stormfront is that it was announced on their events section. If one can't make the Memorial rally because of the date they should go to the 16th of June demo. Stormfront is advertising a national leaflet distribution about the murders on the upcoming weekend of the 18th through the 20th but all pro-White groups including VNN have been asked to join in, it also is not just a Stormfront deal.


Speaking of which. I am printing out a few hundred now. All with various forums and orgs at the bottom. I need a good one for VNN but can't find it. Anyone?

[Joe_J.]

I just went to $camfront to have a look at the latest non-events over there and found this, http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/may-26-28-patriot-gathering-385968.html
So now, not only do they not promote the Knoxville rally because we organised it, but now they promote a competing event? WTF sort of show are they running over there? :mad:

We know what they are running over there. They are certainly not about unity among Whites, especially if it involves Hal Turner, Alex Linder or Rounder.

They are about promoting David Duke, Stormfront and Don Black and enriching those coffers. If they really gave a rat's ass about The Race, they would have linked to VNN and told people to attend and support the basis of the rally and to remember Christian and Newsome. They always do this kind of thing. They quibble over personal differences and it is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

The more they do, the more utter disrespect and contempt I have for them. I wasted a good deal of time over there.

Steinfront sucksnugget. hehe.

[Joe_J.]

There is no Stormfront event on this issue. The other demo is being organized by a group of White patriots in TN. It's only connection to Stormfront is that it was announced on their events section. If one can't make the Memorial rally because of the date they should go to the 16th of June demo. Stormfront is advertising a national leaflet distribution about the murders on the upcoming weekend of the 18th through the 20th but all pro-White groups including VNN have been asked to join in, it also is not just a Stormfront deal.

Steinfront should be promoting the VNN sponsored rally with no qualms, comments, or bullshit.

[East Tennessee]

I am all for the Stormfront rally. At least someone is standing up for Kevin Strom.

[Aimee]

SFers are taking credit for getting this in the media finally. After banning and silencing people who dared to talk about this rally, or who were busting their asses getting the information out, they're going to claim credit. How big can a set of proverbial balls be?

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/congrats-we-did-knoxville-murders-389402.html?t=389402

[Leshrac]

On a related note, pop the champagne boys : FIRST SF RALLY/GATHERING IN ALL RECORDED HISTORY :D :rolleyes: :p

[Prussian Eagle]

what is funny is how in the "WN world" we see these huuuge differences, VNN vS SF, SF VS AMRen, whoever VS OD, VS Phora, etc etc..
but the 'people on the outside' they probably don't.


Yeah, it's kinda funny. I noticed on the AmRen thread promoting the knoxville rally this weekend, even the posters on that site considered SF and VNN to be the same thing

[Cate]

Although I think the VNN rally makes more sense and will garner more support, I can't help thinking that any rally bringing this gruesome murder to the forefront is a bad thing. The only person I like on Stormfront's lineup is Edwards from the Political Cesspool, but I think having a rally with Hal Turner among its ranks in Knoxville will be far more effective. I wish Hal and everyone who is traveling with him Godspeed and good wishes for a very successful event.