UFOs: Tesla, Hitler and Von Braun

[FranzJoseph]

For anyone who has not discovered the book Pentagon Aliens by William Lyne, here's part of his own summary:

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/research/ufo-pent.html

Some of the highlights:

1. An American citizen (naturalized), Nikola Tesla (an athiest and a capitalist), invented the flying saucer, before 1900, and reduced it to practice by 1915.

2. The American government helped the Nazis steal the invention from Tesla (who hated the Nazis),and by 1937, the Nazis were secretly developing it at Los Alamos, New Mexico (then called the "p2" project), under the direction of the Baron Wernher von Braun, who also collaborated in rocket research with Dr. Robert Goddard at Roswell, funded by the American Rocket Society (The Smithsonian Institution and the Guggenheim Foundation).

3. The American government later helped Wernher von Braun, the Nazis, and the Trilateral Commission and Illuminati (who still retain control) remove the "KT-p2" Projekt ("KT" is for "Kreisel-Teller" [German, for "Gyrating Plate"], and "p2" is the electronic designation for an "oscillating electromagnetic dipole") to Germany, after 1937.

4. The Nazis, who attempted to develop and use the flying saucer during the war (called "Foo-Fighters" by us, "Fireballs" and "Flying Turtles" by them), were unsuccessful in developing appropriate weapons for it until too late, and finally traded it back to us during the stalemate of 1945, in exchange for amnesty for numerous persons (including many war criminals), and for other concessions and guarantees (many of which are too numerous or incredible to mention here).

5. The U.S. government (N.S.A., O.S.I.), on behalf of the Trilateral Commission, continues with and enforces a Nazi-originated "Big Lie" program, in which it perpetuates the hoax that flying saucers ("U.F.O.s") are: (a) Extraterrestrial in origin; (b) psychological phenomena ("collective consciousness archetypal images", ala C. G. Jung); (c) swamp gas; (d) "free-floating plasmas"; (e) piezo-electric effects; (f) ball-lightning; (g) other natural phenomena; (h) unknown life forms; (i) hallucinations; (j) non-existent; (k)hoaxes by attention-seekers; (l)the products of hysteria, insanity, etc., etc.

6. The German navy surrounded the U.S. with 24 U-boats, armed with (V-6?) I.C.B.M.s, having celestial guidance systems, and armed with neutron bomb warheads, trained on key American cities and centers, in a 1945 stalemate; German Admiral Karl Doenitz negotiated a secret truce and amnesty agreement with American authorities, under which he was required to order all 24 U-boats "...scuttled, with all hands on board...", under the agreement, pursuant to which Nazi skippers opened the hatches and the subs and all men on board went to the bottom. Under Operation Paperclip, all Nazi scientific research materials, most of their important scientists, and the "KT-p2 Projekt" technology, were transferred to the U.S. and to the Trilateral Commission corporations, thus attempting to insure that the Illuminati would retain control of the materials. Certain unusual security procedures were initiated to insure this, including the "sacrificing" of some major German scientists to the Soviets, to plant misinformation, and to insure that the hoax was successful.

7. During the war, German scientists bypassed development of the "atom bomb", and built and tested the neutron bomb. German field marshall Erwin Rommel and the Afrika Korps were originally sent to North Africa to test the neutron bomb, as well as Tesla's "death ray" (which freezes whole armies); this technology was acquired by American corporations, held chiefly by David Rockefeller, and was later sold in part back to the U.S. government and tested in the '60s, and the same technology was again sold to the U.S. government again in the '70s and '80s, as "star wars" technology.

8. Over 15,000 German military, technical, intelligence, and support personnel were<...>

For much more, go to the above link.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

didnt ernst z used to sell nazi ufo books? a good roundup of this sort of fantasy is Joyceln Goodwin's book entitled "Arktos." Kind of covers the Lovecraftian nexus too. LOL crinoid creatures etc. Hyperborea, all that jazz. light reading fiction.

[FranzJoseph]

didnt ernst z used to sell nazi ufo books? ...

That he did. Lyne actually knows what he's talking about, though, and he's worth a look if a copy is nearby.

Lyne was an Ayn Rand objectivist who observed UFOs very early on (he's a New Mexican) and he noted the gulf between official statements and what he was seeing. He took extensive notes and studied a lot.

He notes that the CIA nearly destroyed him when he tried to go public at first. Sound familiar? When Trevor James Constable offered his evidence for what UFOs really were in 1975, the printing plant burned down!

Whether or not there is a Tesla connection remains the sticking point with lots of people who have seen the reality behind the Hollywood. In the opinion of more than a couple, Germany was capable of the stuff Lyne describes without any need of Tesla's notes.

However, Tesla is a subject for specialists too, since much of his work is now classified.

UFOs cover a deliberate area of security state malfeasance, as Jim Marrs has noted. When one agency of the US government manages to loose 2 billion dollars in a year without civilian oversight, it's clear something is going on the chiefs don't want us to know.

Till Washington tells the truth, I'm assuming people like Bill Lyne are at least part-right.

[Whirlwind]

I'm inclined to agree with FJ. Come on A.E., "light reading fiction"? From the guy trying to sell religion? If all this springs from the imagination, they at least have a damn fine gift of imagination. Occam's razor does not shred this info.

[Xuxalina Rihhia]

William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose! ;)

[MOMUS]

What did it look like? Where was it? Go on...

William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose! ;)

[Steve B]

Dude, I just bought one! It's only got 100 light years on the odometer, beryllium exterior, leather interior (of course). I'm thinking of putting those blindingly bright blue headlights on as an aftermarket item. You know, like the nigger drug dealers have. I plan to have the dopest whip in space.

LOL........................!!

[FranzJoseph]

Go on...

I'd like to hear more too.

Hilter's Flying Saucer's is still selling, from what I've heard, and gives lots of interesting details on what the German's actually did (as opposed to the warp-speed mars colony bullshit).

I liked it because it finally gets into the public record what "foo fighters" actually were. It was a minor German weapons system, but the curious part is the British and US saw fit to classify it for decades after the war.

This is the sort of thing researchers call a smoking gun: If UFOs are just hallucinations and hoaxes, why did the military and intelligence people keep foo fighters classified for over 50 years? What part of this technology don't they want us to know, and why?

[Intrepid]

Dude, I just bought one! It's only got 100 light years on the odometer, beryllium exterior, leather interior (of course). I'm thinking of putting those blindingly bright blue headlights on as an aftermarket item. You know, like the nigger drug dealers have. I plan to have the dopest whip in space.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you're being sarcastic to Zulu. Why, just last month I saw several of just these very intergalactic cruisers down in Roswell. I would recommend you tuning in to Art Bell, then you would know none of the lighting systems are blue. Duh!

[MOMUS]

I'd like to hear more about what it looked like and where it was, please.

William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose! ;)

[MOMUS]

Greetings, Xuxa the White. I noticed that you recently posted so I take the opportunity to remind you of my request for more information on your intriguing encounter. please describe what you saw. Where were you?

William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose! ;)

[Dresden]

I must admit I recently had an encounter with aliens myself; One night in August they appeared. They were small, squat repugnant looking creatures with rows of sqaure teeth. Both the male and female of the species were covered in thick body hair, with a sloping bulbous face, and they spoke a strange language. They attempted to have me mate with one of their females in their strangely illuminated, vibrating vehicle. In addition, they smelled of beer, tacos, and grass clippings.

Creepy.

Dresden

[MOMUS]

The aliens you describe are to be found in every part of our country with the exception of one benighted holler in West Virginia.

Clearly Xuxa the White is reluctant to divulge info on his encounter.

I must admit I recently had an encounter with aliens myself; One night in August they appeared. They were small, squat repugnant looking creatures with rows of sqaure teeth. Both the male and female of the species were covered in thick body hair, with a sloping bulbous face, and they spoke a strange language. They attempted to have me mate with one of their females in their strangely illuminated, vibrating vehicle. In addition, they smelled of beer, tacos, and grass clippings.

Creepy.

Dresden

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Advance Scout to Mother Ship Come in.

Advance Scout to Mother Ship Come on in.

The cat is out of the bag. Repeat the cat is out of the bag.

Activate "Green Ray" shield and enable "black sun" cloaking mechanism to protect the Antarctic Redoubt. Evacuate Hitler clones. Contact Agartha and Shambala bases re these developments.

Agent Vril signing off. Over and out.

[Dresden]

Sir,

Have you thought of writing a screenplay which incorporates all the conspiracy theories in a wild and psychotic manner, somewhere along the lines of Mars Attacks? Your statement has the exact flavor for it and it would be wild.

[albion]

http://www.rense.com/prints2/KhimLG.jpg
http://www.rense.com/1.cal/neff.htm

[Xuxalina Rihhia]

Greetings, Xuxa the White. I noticed that you recently posted so I take the opportunity to remind you of my request for more information on your intriguing encounter. please describe what you saw. Where were you?

It was over the Caribbean Sea as I was taking a flight to South America. It was a classic diskoid shape, silvery, somewhat flattened and it was roughly the size of a quarter in a fully outstreched hand and arm. It was tilted at a 45 degree angle with the "left" part of the disk down and the "right part of the disk up, from my point of view. I was sitting next to the window on the left side of the plane's interior. I saw it only for a few seconds before it flew away. At the time, I though it might be alien, but as I have mentioned, I know know that it was a man-made electrogravitic machine!

http://members.tripod.com/~lyne4lyne/

Here is the link! Sorry that I took so long to answer, but I was having fun baiting the antis! ;)

[Abzug Hoffman]

I'd like to hear more too.

Hilter's Flying Saucer's is still selling, from what I've heard, and gives lots of interesting details on what the German's actually did (as opposed to the warp-speed mars colony bullshit).

I liked it because it finally gets into the public record what "foo fighters" actually were. It was a minor German weapons system, but the curious part is the British and US saw fit to classify it for decades after the war.

This is the sort of thing researchers call a smoking gun: If UFOs are just hallucinations and hoaxes, why did the military and intelligence people keep foo fighters classified for over 50 years? What part of this technology don't they want us to know, and why?

I think UFOs were part of a proposed government plan to fake a neverending international emergency with a 'war of the worlds'. It must have never got out of the early experiments stage and then we got the war on terror instead which will accomplish the same 'one world under ZOG' political goals in the end.

[Hadding]

For anyone who has not discovered the book Pentagon Aliens by William Lyne, here's part of his own summary:

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/research/ufo-pent.html

Some of the highlights:



For much more, go to the above link.
US Government collaborating with Germany in 1937? Not likely. The Jews had already declared war in 1933. With the 20th-century reference to illuminati it becomes certifiably kooky. This belongs on shortwave.

[FranzJoseph]

I think UFOs were part of a proposed government plan to fake a neverending international emergency with a 'war of the worlds'. It must have never got out of the early experiments stage and then we got the war on terror instead which will accomplish the same 'one world under ZOG' political goals in the end.

Werner Von Braun came out and said as much in 1974:

"The Grand War Plan: It's All Based on a LIE
Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries, Spokesperson for Wernher
von Braun, Dr. Carol Rosin: Von Braun [founder of modern rocket science] told me [in 1974] that the reasons for space-based weaponry were all based on a lie. He said that the strategy was to use scare tactics - that FIRST THE
RUSSIANS, THEN the TERRORISTS are going to be considered the enemy.
The NEXT ENEMY was ASTEROIDS. "The last card is the alien card. We
are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens, and
all of it is a lie."...

But if everything since 1974 (and before) is a lie, what's the truth except they'e robbing us blind? Which is bad enough, I suppose.

Hadding:

For reasons nobody has ever explained, Von Braun indeed showed up in New Mexico in the mid-30s. Worse yet is that American rocket pioneer Robert H. Goddard died under highly suspicious circumstances in 1945 -- just in time to let Von Braun come over and run the show.

There's lots of strange stories involving the subject of NASA, UFOs and Hitler's Germany. I've given up on a short review because even the background runs over 5000 words. I'll let everyone know when I put up the blog.

Incidentally, Lyne is quite correct in stating there are no aliens. The devil is in the details. Colin Wilson, famed British researcher of the paranormal, gave up on UFOs because there's "too many explanations." Right. Just what you'd expect when something is being kept well-hidden.

For the best short look under the curtain, aviation writer Nick Cook's book The Hunt for Zero Point gives you some idea how big the secret is.


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[-LiveWire-]

Interesting thread. I didn't know Colin Wilson abandoned UFO's, he's written so many books on the subject.

[Aryan Lord]

Interesting thread. I didn't know Colin Wilson abandoned UFO's, he's written so many books on the subject.

Colin Wilson wrote an incredible book in the 1970s on the Occult.I think it was actually called The Occult.It is a very long time since I read that but even as a teenager I was impressed by the guy`s writing ability and depth of research.A very fine writer. :)
I will try and find you details of the book if you would like?

[-LiveWire-]

Colin Wilson wrote an incredible book in the 1970s on the Occult.I think it was actually called The Occult.It is a very long time since I read that but even as a teenager I was impressed by the guy`s writing ability and depth of research.A very fine writer. :)
I will try and find you details of the book if you would like?

Thanks, its very kind of you :)

[Aryan Lord]

Thanks, its very kind of you :)

I will pm you then. ;)

[Abzug Hoffman]

Colin Wilson wrote an incredible book in the 1970s on the Occult.I think it was actually called The Occult.It is a very long time since I read that but even as a teenager I was impressed by the guy`s writing ability and depth of research.A very fine writer. :)
I will try and find you details of the book if you would like?


I have this book. A good indication of the value:

Chapter 4 The World of the Kabbalists....Nostradamus. His prophecies... The end of the world in 1997?

[Abzug Hoffman]

Werner Von Braun came out and said as much in 1974:



But if everything since 1974 (and before) is a lie, what's the truth except they'e robbing us blind? Which is bad enough, I suppose.

Hadding:

For reasons nobody has ever explained, Von Braun indeed showed up in New Mexico in the mid-30s. Worse yet is that American rocket pioneer Robert H. Goddard died under highly suspicious circumstances in 1945 -- just in time to let Von Braun come over and run the show.

There's lots of strange stories involving the subject of NASA, UFOs and Hitler's Germany. I've given up on a short review because even the background runs over 5000 words. I'll let everyone know when I put up the blog.

Incidentally, Lyne is quite correct in stating there are no aliens. The devil is in the details. Colin Wilson, famed British researcher of the paranormal, gave up on UFOs because there's "too many explanations." Right. Just what you'd expect when something is being kept well-hidden.

For the best short look under the curtain, aviation writer Nick Cook's book The Hunt for Zero Point gives you some idea how big the secret is.


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Oh, so the 'war of the worlds' comes AFTER 'Israel's war on the world (war on terror)'. That makes sense, because younger people believe in UFOs but people who grew up in WASP America don't.

[Aryan Lord]

I have this book. A good indication of the value:

Chapter 4 The World of the Kabbalists....Nostradamus. His prophecies... The end of the world in 1997?

I dont believe Nostradamus actually said 1997 but his prophecies are very cryptic and open to misinterpretation.I am wary of those who give dates for the "end of the world".They are always caught out eventually and their work discredited by a simple mistake.

[Abzug Hoffman]

I dont believe Nostradamus actually said 1997 but his prophecies are very cryptic and open to misinterpretation.I am wary of those who give dates for the "end of the world".They are always caught out eventually and their work discredited by a simple mistake.

Funny, page 17 gives the date as 1997, but on pages 265-267 Wilson gives the prophecy that in 1999, the seventh month,

"the great king of terror will descend from the sky, at this time Mars will reign for the good cause..."

Nostrodamus may be following a notion...that the world would last seven thousand years...The Millennium is the last thousand years of the earth's existence, so Nostradamus may have calculated July 1999 as the beginning of the end, rather than the end. It may be worth the while of world statesmen to make special efforts for peace in mid-1999."

Here, I opened at random and got this tid bit -

"Godwin rejected Crowley's practice of "magical masturbation" and replaced it with what he called Dianism, and what is usually called the Karezza, sexual intercourse continued indefinitely without orgasm. (It had been 'invented' as far as America was concerned, by J. H. Noyes, founder of the Oneida Community.) The aim of the Karezza is to produce long-drawn out ecstasy or intoxication. Francis King says that Godwin is still operative on the West Coast. Another Crowley disciple, Jack Parsons (who founded Cal Tech.) apparently collaborated with Ron Hubbard, founder of Dianetics, in various magical exercises; while Parsons had magical intercourse with a girl, Hubbard described what was happening on the astral plane. Hubbard claims he was actually spying for the Navy [ZOG]."

[FranzJoseph]

Oh, so the 'war of the worlds' comes AFTER 'Israel's war on the world (war on terror)'...

No it's all the same war, they just keep changing the pretext to fool the sheeple.

Just look at the dates: In 1947 the National Security Act is passed -- and suddenly UFOs are all over the place. By 1974 when Von Braun shoots his mouth off, US and Israeli policy are joined at the hip. No coincidence.

So Werner was telling us the pretexts are already in place. Communism, as a threat, was getting unconvincing by the 70s. The Reagan Show in the 80s gave it another decade or so, but it was a close-run thing. Long time anticommunists like Charley Reese were smelling a rat before Reagan left Washington, suspecting that the whole thing was a fraud.

The terrorist thing was planned from 1969, when Nixon started the first "war on drugs". Some of his hysterical laws read like the Patriot Act and he was only going after college war protestors.

The "asteroid" and "alien" part of the threat is just being kept as insurance in case people begin to suspect that the war on terror is as much as scam as the Cold War was.

The NSA is a black budget operation. They spend billions without any accountability. That sort of jack buys a lot of bogus aliens, and if the PTB feels threatened enough to use them, they will.

The Rosen quote is not considered suspicious anymore because she told everyone what Werner said before the "war on terror" started. Still this is security state territory and nothing is firm. Consider:

Barry Goldwater was a senator from Arizona, a presidential candidate and a full general in the Air Force reserve. When he tried to get Curtis LeMay to tell him what the hell was really going on at Area 51 and the black budget operations, LeMay threatened him with court martial.

Barry never brought it up after that. Not many other politicians have brought it up at all.


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[Abzug Hoffman]

Communism killed a lot of Christians. It was no joke, and I think it is still going on. I think ZOG spreads the lie that communism is dead, and never was a threat to us, but in fact, our ZOG adopted the communist agenda whole hog and we are living with it right now.

[Abzug Hoffman]

I was looking for a list made by a senator in the forties, which was about day care and equal rights, but here is a good enough example from the sixties.

CLU fulfilling communist agenda

Posted: December 3, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Every day, the headlines scream with some new threat from the American Civil Liberties Union. I believe it's important to look behind the curtain and discover the origins of groups and organizations to better understand their activities.

The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman, described as a "progressive" and "the perfect feminist."

Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year, Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to deny what can easily be proven as truth.

For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under "freedom of speech and expression," and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record. Below are the communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to destroy America's culture and traditions:

Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.

Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can easily see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to "promote democracy" and protect your "civil rights." Lenin stated: "Communism alone is capable of providing really complete democracy." (See Tucker, "The Lenin Anthology"). James Madison, known as the "Father of the Constitution" had something different to say about a democracy:

Democracy is the most vile form of government ... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous "civil rights" stage name.

No organization can exist without memberships and funding. It is inconceivable to me how anyone who claims to be a Christian, lawyer or layman, could belong to such an anti-American organization as the ACLU. Burn your card and get out. Organizations like Working Assets, tobacco companies and big corporations all donate to the ACLU, which in turn uses that money to buy the favors of those who serve in Congress – who vote to unconstitutionally fund the activities of the ACLU under the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Awards Act of 1976.

If Americans really want to put the ACLU out of business, remove yourself as a member of their organization, boycott companies that donate to them and demand these public servants in Congress repeal the unconstitutional funding of this subversive organization.

There is no justification under Art. 1, Sec. 8, to steal from the people's treasury to give money to the ACLU or any other organization for "civil rights" lawsuits. Your Congress critter will be in your district during the month of December – make the most of it.

[FranzJoseph]

Communism killed a lot of Christians. It was no joke, and I think it is still going on...

Sure it is, it's called the "global economy." Marx and Lenin both insisted on free trade because it weakened the nation-state and the people's loyalty to it.

Commies just change their terminology every few years. Lenin's New Economic Plan in the 20s is highly familiar to anyone who's read Two Cheers for Capitalism, the cornerstone of Neoconservatism by the godfaher himself, Irving Kristol. Kristol started off as a Trotskyite who never changed, he just called himself "conservative" and gullible Americans believed him.

The question is how deeply embedded is the real regime, as opposed to the clown act we see in public (ie, George Bush.) There's serious evidence that the American and Russian government converged secretly sometime in the 1930s, then faked both the cold war and the USSR's implosion.

The latter part of that is covered in an interesting book, New Lies For Old: The Communist Strategy of Deception and Disinformation Now Revealed by an ex-KGB Officer, by Anatoly Golitsyn.


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[Serbian]

The question is how deeply embedded is the real regime, as opposed to the clown act we see in public (ie, George Bush.) There's serious evidence that the American and Russian government converged secretly sometime in the 1930s, then faked both the cold war and the USSR's implosion.

The latter part of that is covered in an interesting book, New Lies For Old: The Communist Strategy of Deception and Disinformation Now Revealed by an ex-KGB Officer, by Anatoly Golitsyn.


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Yes I have read this and its very interesting!

[Abzug Hoffman]

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Where he got them - the FBI.

The following 45 goals of the Communist Party were
published 40 years ago in "The Naked Communist" by
Cleon Skousen, who was head of communications at the
FBI for 16 years.

45 GOALS OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY*

*All 45 Goals above are from "The Naked Communist,"
W. Cleon Skousen, November 1961, pp. 259-262.

[Abzug Hoffman]

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[Aryan Lord]

Communism killed a lot of Christians. It was no joke, and I think it is still going on. I think ZOG spreads the lie that communism is dead, and never was a threat to us, but in fact, our ZOG adopted the communist agenda whole hog and we are living with it right now.

So communism did some good then. :D
"What goes around comes around".

[Abzug Hoffman]

So communism did some good then. :D
"What goes around comes around".

Go join Nelson Mandela.

[Aryan Lord]

didnt ernst z used to sell nazi ufo books? a good roundup of this sort of fantasy is Joyceln Goodwin's book entitled "Arktos." Kind of covers the Lovecraftian nexus too. LOL crinoid creatures etc. Hyperborea, all that jazz. light reading fiction.

I wouldnt call it "light reading" and I wouldnt say it was "fiction" either.

[Aryan Lord]

Go join Nelson Mandela.

Why,is he a friend of yours? You both worship the same multicultural Jewish god so I shouldnt be surprised.

[Hadding]

For reasons nobody has ever explained, Von Braun indeed showed up in New Mexico in the mid-30s. Worse yet is that American rocket pioneer Robert H. Goddard died under highly suspicious circumstances in 1945 -- just in time to let Von Braun come over and run the show.
Is there something unusual about a prominent German visiting the US? It doesn't constitute evidence of any collaboration between the U.S. Government and the Third Reich. The injection of the word illuminati into this scenario (as previously mentioned) eliminates credibility. It sounds a lot like some of the Jews who peddle kosher conspiracy theories to rightwingers; some of them are very keen on painting a picture in which the US Government or the Rockefellers or other American luminaries are supporting the alleged Holocaust. I think maybe these Jews figure that if their nutty conspiracy theories take hold among the rubes, the World Jewish Congress will be able to win a lawsuit based on them.

[FranzJoseph]

Is there something unusual about a prominent German visiting the US? It doesn't constitute evidence ...

By itself, no. The amount of strangeness that comes with Von Braun coupled with it is where the rub comes.

I know he's still worshipped in some circles but VB was way too much of an Albert Speer for some of us. There are white men who'll work for anybody and chuck their principles at the drop of a hat -- which makes one wonder if they had any in the first place. Bad enough. But worse is the sheer number and calibre of men like this who went from working for Hitler to working for his mortal enemies as if they were just switching jobs from Ford to GM. Either physicists and mathematicians have no honor whatever, or there's another story.

Since the USSR discorporated (officially at least) the amount of information declassified on this subject has made it clear that there indeed is another story. World War II was not "the good war" the court historians have made it out to be.

VB's biography was heavily doctored by the Americans after he switched after the war. Again of itself this is probably nothing. But when you discover that his entire crew had new bios written and documented for them by the CIA it adds up to something lots more interesting.

One of VB's mates was given an entirely new identity -- as a "holocaust survivor". I kid you not. And this ain't theory, it's documented and declassified.

Like I said, I'll let everyone know when I put the blog up.

[Whirlwind]

Please do. Always wondered about that arrangement. How the U.S. felt comfortable with scientists formerly working for a supposed enemy.

[Hadding]

By itself, no. The amount of strangeness that comes with Von Braun coupled with it is where the rub comes.

I know he's still worshipped in some circles but VB was way too much of an Albert Speer for some of us. There are white men who'll work for anybody and chuck their principles at the drop of a hat -- which makes one wonder if they had any in the first place. Bad enough. But worse is the sheer number and calibre of men like this who went from working for Hitler to working for his mortal enemies as if they were just switching jobs from Ford to GM.
I don't think that there was a lot of choice in the matter. Tell me the names of some Germans who were given a chance to be at peace with the victors and turned it down. And did they even have a choice? The German scientists taken by the USSR certainly did not. This is a bit like criticizing Pétain for accepting France's defeat in 1940 (although I advise against pressing that analogy in every detail, since the debacle was actually an opportunity for French patriots to clean house and to prevent the deplorable condition that France is in today). I suspect that Wernher von Braun and other Germans who went to work for the US consoled themselves that they were at least working against Communism, and I would add that their work for the US helped to counter the effects of wartime propaganda. I think the caricature of WVB by Jewish actor Peter Sellers in Jewish director Stanley Kubric's Dr. Strangelove, along with other postwar Jewish grumblings (e.g. the legend built up around Operation Paperclip and MK Ultra) shows what the Jewish feeling about the postwar employment, and concommitant rehabilitation, of German scientists has been. They hate it.

[FranzJoseph]

I think the caricature of WVB by Jewish actor Peter Sellers in Jewish director Stanley Kubric's Dr. Strangelove, along with other postwar Jewish grumblings (e.g. the legend built up around Operation Paperclip and MK Ultra) shows what the Jewish feeling about the postwar employment, and concommitant rehabilitation, of German scientists has been. They hate it.

Sure. Absolutely, but the problem is that by the time the Jews were making movies like this, the war had been over for 20 years and Germany had been paying tribute to Israel (and "holocaust survivors") for almost a generation. It's either raising "sore winning" to the cosmic level or something else is going on.

My first feelings when I got into this were that a few strands were out of joint, like everybody else. Now I think the whole history of that war needs to be rewritten from the ground up.

..

[Hadding]

Sure. Absolutely, but the problem is that by the time the Jews were making movies like this, the war had been over for 20 years and Germany had been paying tribute to Israel (and "holocaust survivors") for almost a generation. It's either raising "sore winning" to the cosmic level or something else is going on.

My first feelings when I got into this were that a few strands were out of joint, like everybody else. Now I think the whole history of that war needs to be rewritten from the ground up.

..
As the Jew Maurice Samuel wrote in You Gentiles, the Jews can never be satisfied.

[Kind Lampshade Maker]

http://tinypic.com/1e2a2t

[FranzJoseph]

There's a fairly persistent rumor that WWII Germany developed stealth. It beats the old faked "nazi UFO' pictures by miles:


http://people.freenet.de/paleoseti/NAZI_UFO.jpg

[Kind Lampshade Maker]

http://tinypic.com/1e54sm

[FranzJoseph]

KLM:

I guess, but neither of these pictures look like the ones I found two years ago, which I can't find now. (The earlier ones had no markings and were shaped even odder. The Russians found them in at an SS facility.)

Nick Cook covers all this in The Hunt for Zero Point. He provides no photos, but the SS was absolutely years ahead on stealth. I found that impressive. I used to think the V-rockets were all they were working on.

[Herman van Houten]

From the UFO Files...

1944: SECRETS OF THE
ANTARCTIC REICH

If you had been a Wehrmacht soldier at the bombed-out
railroad station in Poltava, a city in the Ukraine, during
the summer of 1942, you would have seen a very strange-
looking military unit on the march, heading for a waiting
passenger train.
The unit consisted of women, all of them blond and
blue-eyed, between the ages of 17 and 24, tall and
slender, their sensational figures encased in striking
sky-blue uniforms. Each woman wore an Italian-style
garrison cap, an A-line skirt with the hem below the knee,
and a form-fitting jacket with the insignia of the SS.
You might have thought the SS had recruited a platoon
of high-class call girls. But the truth was far stranger
than that. You would have been looking at Reichsfuhrer-SS
Heinrich Himmler's latest brainstorm--the Antarctische
Siedlungensfrauen (ASF).
The story actually begins in 1938, when the German
seaplane carrier Schwabenland sailed across the South
Atlantic, bound for Queen Maud's Land in Antarctica.
According to Russian ufologist Konstantin Ivanenko, "The
Schwabenland sailed to Antarctica, commanded by Albert
Richter, a veteran of cold-weather operations. The
Richter expedition's scientists used their large Dornier
seaplanes to explore the polar wastes, emulating Admiral
Richard E. Byrd's efforts a decade earlier. The German
scientists discovered ice-free lakes (heated by
underground volcanic features--J.T.) and were able to land
on them. It is widely believed that the Schwabenland's
expedition was aimed at scouting out a secret base of
operations."
A German base was established in the Muhlig-Hofmann
Mountains, just inland from the Princess Astrid Coast.
The area was renamed Neuschwabenland (German for New
Swabia) and "the base was known only as Station
211."
This shuffle was accomplished by a little-known
office of the SS called the Rasse und Siedlungshauptamt
(German for Race and Settlement Bureau--J.T.) or RuSHA.
In the Ukraine alone, RuSHA drafted 500,000 women for
forced labor in the munitions factories of Nazi Germany.
It was RuSHA which selected women for Himmler's unit
of Antarctische Siedlungensfrauen (German for Antarctic
Settlement Women) About half of the "recruits" were
Volksdeutsch--ethnic Germans whose ancestors had settled
in the Ukraine in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth
Centuries. The others were native Ukrainians whom RuSHA
had "upgraded" to full Aryans. This process was called
Eindeutschung (Translated: Germanization).
According to Ivanenko, "There is increased popularity
for the idea of a 'German-Slavonic Antarctic Reich.' It
is said that 10,000 of the 'racially most pure'
Ukrainians, out of half a million deported in 1942 by
Martin Bormann, were transported to the German Antarctic
bases during World War II, in the proportion of four
Ukrainian women to one German man."
If true, this would mean that Himmler transferred
2,500 Waffen-SS soldiers, who had proven themselves in
combat on the Russian front, to Station 211--now
Neuschwabenland--in Antarctica. This may be the source of
the myth of the "Last SS Battalion."
An ASF training camp was set up in Estonia, on a
peninsula near Ristna on Hiiumaa Island in the Baltic Sea.
It was a combination finishing school and boot camp, where
the ladies took lessons in charm and housekeeping along
with their courses in polar survival. Himmler kept the
camp's existence a closely-guarded secret. For "unhappy
campers," the only escape consisted of a one-way train
ticket to Auschwitz.
There is one known instance of an ASF
"deserter." In 1943, Auschwitz guard Irma Griese, 22, the
off-and-on girl friend of Dr. Joseph Mengele, took to
wearing a sky-blue ASF uniform, which she had scavenged
from a pile of inmate clothing. Griese was hanged in 1946
for war crimes. The uniform's original owner must have
had serious second thoughts about a permanent move to
Antarctica.)
The failure of Grossadmiral Karl Doenitz's U-boat
offensive by May 1943 freed up dozens of "milk cow" U-
boats. These were large submarines, almost as big as
tramp steamers, which Doenitz had used to supply his U-
boat "wolf packs" in remote seas of the world. Himmler
now put them to work carting supplies and personnel to
Antarctica.
Himmler's rationale for sending thousands of settlers
to Antarctica can only be understood within the context of
his mystic beliefs. As a result of his youthful reading
of New Age books, his association with the occultist Dr.
Friedrich Wichtl, and his membership in the Artamen,
Himmler became a believer in the Hindu concept of world-
ages or yugas. He believed that the current age, or Kali
Yuga, would end in a global cataclysm, thereby giving
birth to a new world-age called the Satya Yuga.
By sending a colony to Antarctica, Himmler was
ensuring that a remnant of the "pure Aryan race" would
survive the coming cataclysm with its society and culture
intact. They would then take possession of Antarctica
when the cataclysm melted the south polar ice cap.
According to believers, the Neuschwabenland colony
survived the end of World War II and Operation High Jump,
a battle with Admiral Byrd's Antarctic task force in the
summer of 1947.
Ivanenko writes, "The total population of Nazis in
Antarctica now exceeds two million and that many of them
have undergone plastic surgery in order to move about with
greater ease through South America and conduct all manner
of business transactions."
In 1969, author Michael X. Branton wrote a book
"alleging that the Nazis had managed to build rudimentary
flying saucers and transfer them to the Antarctic in
1944."
Ivanenko called the Antarctic Reich "one of the most
militarily powerful states in the world because it can
destroy the USA several times over with its submarine-
based nuclear missiles, remaining itself invulnerable to
U.S. nuclear strikes because of the two-mile-thick ice
shield" overhead.
The city of Neuberlin, the colony's capital, sprawls
through "narrow subglacial tunnels" under the mountain
range, heated by volcanic vents and adjoining the
prehistoric ruins of Kadath, which may have been built by
settlers from the lost continent of Atlantis well over
100,000 years ago.
Most amazing of the stories about Neuberlin is the
claim that, like Shambhala, the city has an Alien Quarter,
where Pleiadians, Zeta Reticulans, Reptoids, Men In Black,
Aldebarani and other visitors from the stars dwell.
Ivanenko reported that talk about the Antarctic Reich
is "becoming more and more popular" in Russia, Poland, the
Ukraine, Belarus and other countries in eastern Europe.
He writes, "In the May 10, 2003 issue of the (newspaper)
Frankfurter Allgemeine, Polish journalist A. Stagjuk
criticized Poland's decision to send troops to Iraq" to
assist with the Allied occupation. "At the end, he said,
'The next Polish government will sign a treaty with
Antarctica and declare war on the USA.'"
Ivanenko added that Stagjuk's words were broadcast on
the shortwave radio station Deutsche Welle the same week.
"Some analysts compared this sentence to famous code
phrases which started wars in the Twentieth Century, such
as ' Over all of Spain, the sky is cloudless' in 1936, and
'Climb Mount Niitaka' in 1941."
(Editor's Note: "Climb Mount Niitaka" was the signal
Admiral Yamamoto sent to Kido Butai, the Imperial Japanese
Navy's fleet, to begin the attack on Pearl Harbor.)
It is strange to think of a large population living
under the ice of Antarctica, totally divorced from the
"mainstream" world. Then again, there are Jivaro
indigenous people living on Lago de Yanayacu (lake), less
than 50 kilometers (30 miles) east of Iquitos, Peru, who
have never heard of Courtney Love.
So, is there a city under the ice inhabited by the
grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the original SS
settlers? Or is it just an urban legend stemming from the
chaotic conditions that prevailed in Europe during World
War II?
Some day we may know for certain. (See the books
Himmler by Peter Padfield, Henry Holt & Co., New York,
N.Y., 1990, pages 37, 68, 85 and 90; Hitler's Flying
Saucers by Henry Stevens, Adventures Unlimited Press,
Kempton, Illinois, 2003; Hitler's Heirs by Paul Meskil,
Pyramid Books, New York, N.Y., 1961, page 37; and Fate
magazine for June 2002, "Vostok: Lake of the Shadows" by
Scott Corrales. Many thanks to Konstantin Ivanenko for
allowing UFO Roundup to quote from his online article of
November 18, 2003.)

[airlinemusic]

Special for the last poster:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/manypics/jan2006/largebase.jpg

Now me.

Greetings future Illumiati of the World.
At least a topic about Mr. Lyne so some might have read the book.
(Beatles-A Day In a Life)

The forums are full of wild ideas and assorted bashers, so when resistence
is met I give further ideas. If anyone knows Lyne, pass on the result of
electrical physics presented later although incomplete.

The reason for electrical suspension Tesla did give a full treatment
and may require a work function factor based on high frequency and
high voltage effects.

But for every question I get, it gives me a reason to add more, sample
question:
"...Further more -sparks are merely the coversion of energy into light,
light also has no electron repelling capability it can only be absorbed,
redirected and further converted. Complete nonsense!.."

ans:
Its more than light, its a current pulse that you would see as tv interference
when lightning strikes. Big lightning, big pulse but is it going to induce force
in a high voltage high frequency coil. Its a Ben Franklin opposite, lightning
surrounds the coil instead of going to ground.

Spark gap is an air Capacitor driven to dielectric breakdown at say 50,000vDC
pulse. Have no idea if correct, saw that number on a message board.
If I could understand the coil builders web site better I'd have inductance.

Using the verified equation F = i x B:
i, current radiated = Capacitance x voltage pulse/ pulse duration
= 1 microfarad x 50,000 / microsecond
B, or ac coil current = 15vac/ coil inductance

Force is now 750,000,000/ coil (L) inductance newtons (.225 pounds/newton)
160,000,000 pounds (US short ton/2000 pounds)/ L of coil
80,000 tons/ L

1 newton = 0.224808943 pounds force (ans from google)

Unless that coil dashes all hope, we got a Haunebu lifting off.
And good hope of fast sideways motion.

Perhaps more involved such that pulse frequency is quarter wavelength
of the B field, its all speculation and just something to dabble with.

Just to sum up the large rectangular ships appear to have 4 coils.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/manypics/jan2006/verticalsparkEfieldsfrowardmotion.jpg

I call it quad coil Tesla electron stream perpendicular to flight propultion system. Right Hand Rule in effect.

If its all true, I told you so, if not its all fiction.

__________________
Roll Over Einstein And Let Tesla Take Over

[airlinemusic]

Special for the last poster:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/manypics/jan2006/largebase.jpg

Now me.

Greetings future Illumiati of the World.
At least a topic about Mr. Lyne so some might have read the book.
(Beatles-A Day In a Life)

The forums are full of wild ideas and assorted bashers, so when resistence
is met I give further ideas. If anyone knows Lyne, pass on the result of
electrical physics presented later although incomplete.

The reason for electrical suspension Tesla did give a full treatment
and may require a work function factor based on high frequency and
high voltage effects.

But for every question I get, it gives me a reason to add more, sample
question:
"...Further more -sparks are merely the coversion of energy into light,
light also has no electron repelling capability it can only be absorbed,
redirected and further converted. Complete nonsense!.."

ans:
Its more than light, its a current pulse that you would see as tv interference
when lightning strikes. Big lightning, big pulse but is it going to induce force
in a high voltage high frequency coil. Its a Ben Franklin opposite, lightning
surrounds the coil instead of going to ground.

Spark gap is an air Capacitor driven to dielectric breakdown at say 50,000vDC
pulse. Have no idea if correct, saw that number on a message board.
If I could understand the coil builders web site better I'd have inductance.

Using the verified equation F = i x B:
i, current radiated = Capacitance x voltage pulse/ pulse duration
= 1 microfarad x 50,000 / microsecond
B, or ac coil current = 15vac/ coil inductance

Force is now 750,000,000/ coil (L) inductance newtons (.225 pounds/newton)
160,000,000 pounds (US short ton/2000 pounds)/ L of coil
80,000 tons/ L

1 newton = 0.224808943 pounds force (ans from google)

Unless that coil dashes all hope, we got a Haunebu lifting off.
And good hope of fast sideways motion.

Perhaps more involved such that pulse frequency is quarter wavelength
of the B field, its all speculation and just something to dabble with.

Just to sum up the large rectangular ships appear to have 4 coils.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/manypics/jan2006/verticalsparkEfieldsfrowardmotion.jpg

I call it quad coil Tesla electron stream perpendicular to flight propultion system. Right Hand Rule in effect.

If its all true, I told you so, if not its all fiction.
__________________
Roll Over Einstein And Let Tesla Take Over

[airlinemusic]

To late to edit, I'll check more controls.

Still reading the thread.

[Bob 88]

I picked up an interesting book in a secondhand bookshp recently entitled -
Last Talons Of The Eagle
Seceret Nazi technology which could have changed the course of WW11
By Gary Hyland & Anton Gill
Published by Headline in 1998

The book documents aircraft actally built by the Third Reich including jet fighters and helicopters.
One photograph is especially interesting, describes as the Gotha Go229 the aircraft bears a striking similarity to the Stealth bomber!:cool: I believe it is the same aircraft pictured in post 49.
There are several fascinating artist impressions of aircraft which were on the drawing board.