HenryHaysExecutioner is Disingenuous and more interested in Obfuscation than in Facts

[Hadding]

HenryHaysExecutioner is starting a new thread and changing the subject because (1) he was getting his ass whipped in the Ernst Zundel thread that he started, and (2) he wanted to post tons of accumulated bullshit at the beginning of a new thread so as to create shock and awe. Said bullshit consists largely of material of a scurrilous nature which shows clearly that the discussion-thread has not been started with a good-faith intention to have a civil discussion and to get at the truth.

What "Dresden Deception"? Nobody is trying to prohibit open discussion about the death-toll at Dresden. Nobody at all, not even David Irving.

And I am still waiting for this HenryHaysExecutioner person to show me an online copy of a German plan for a homicidal mass-gassing chamber. HHE has asserted that such a plan exists, and I insist that we must examine it. This is the third time that I have made this demand. Let's have an honest inquiry, one detail at a time, instead of playing these stupid games.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/p1.gif

http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/p2.gif

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/p3.gif

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

Translation:

Draft

The Reich Ministry
for the Occupied Eastern Territories
Berlin, October 25, 1941


Expert AGR Dr. Wetzel

Secret!

Re: Solution of the Jewish Question

1. To the Reich Commissar for the East

Re: Your report of October 4, 1941 in respect to the Solution of the Jewish Question

With reference to my letter of October 18, 1941, this is to inform you that Oberdienstleiter Brack of the Führer Chancellery has agreed to collaborate in the production of the required shelters and gassing devices. At this time, the envisaged devices are not available in sufficient quantity; they will first have to be manufactured. Since in Brack's opinion, the manufacture of the devices in the Reich will cause much greater difficulties than doing it on the spot, Brack considers it most expedient to send his people to Riga, especially his chemist Dr. Kallmeyer, who will effect all further steps there. Oberdienstleiter Brack points out that the procedure in question is not without danger, so that special protective measures are necessary. In these circumstances, I request that you address yourself to Oberdienstleiter Brack in the Führer Chancellery through your Higher SS and Police Leader and request the dispatch of the chemist Kallmeyer and other assistants. I should inform you that Sturmbannführer Eichmann, the expert for the Jewish Question in the RSHA is entirely in agreement with this process. According to information from Sturmbannführer Eichmann, camps for Jews are to be set up in Riga and Minsk, to which Jews from the Old Reich territory may also come. At this time, Jews are being evacuated out of the Old Reich to Litzmannstadt (Lodz), and also other camps, to then later be used for labour in the east insofar as they are capable of work.

As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy. In this way, events such as those that, according to a report in front of me, took place on the occasion of the shootings of the Jews in Vilna, and which, considering that the shootings were carried out in public, can hardly be excused, will no longer be possible. On the other hand, those capable of work will be transported for labour in the east. It goes without saying that the male and female Jews capable of work will be kept apart.

I request a report on your further measures.





Transcription:

Entwurf

Der Reichsminister
für die besetzten Ostgebiete
Berlin, den 25. Oktober 1941.


Sachbearbeiter AGR Dr. Wetzel

Geheim!

Betr.: Lösung der Judenfrage.

1. An den Reichskommissar für den Ostland

Betr.: Ihren Bericht vom 4.10.1941 bezüglich Lösung der Judenfrage

Unter Bezugnahme auf mein Schreiben vom 18.Okt. 1941 teile ich Ihnen mit, daß sich Oberdienstleiter Brack von der Kanzlei des Führers bereit erklärt hat, bei der Herstellung der erforderlichen Unterkünfte sowie der Vergasungsapparate mitzuwirken. Zur Zeit sind die in Betracht kommenden Apparate in genügender Anzahl nicht vorhanden, sie müssen erst hergestellt werden. Da nach Aufassung Bracks die Herstellung der Apparate im Reich viel größere Schwierigkeiten bereitet als am Ort und Stelle, hält es Brack für am zweckmäßigsten, wenn er umgehend seine Leute, insbesondere sein Chemiker Dr. Kallmayer nach Riga sendet, der dort alles weitere veranlassen wird. Oberdienstleiter Brack weist darauf hin, daß das in Betracht kommende Verfahren nicht ungefährlich ist, so daß insbesondere Schutzmaßnahmen erforderlich seien. Unter diesen Umständen bitte ich Sie, sich über Ihren Höheren SS- und Polizeiführer an Oberdienstleiter Brack in der Kanzlei des Führers zu wenden und um die Entsendung des Chemikers Kallmeyer sowie weitere Hilfskräfte zu bitten. Ich darf darauf hinweisen, daß Sturmbannführer Eichmann, der Sachbearbeiter für Judenfragen im RSHA durchaus mit diesem Verfahren einverstanden ist. Nach Mitteilung von Sturmbannführer Eichmann sollen in Riga und in Minsk Lager für Juden geschaffen werden, in die evtl. auch Juden aus dem Altreichgebeit kommen. Es werden zur Zeit aus dem Altreich Juden evakuiert, die nach Litzmannstadt, aber auch nach anderen Lagern kommen sollen, um dann später im Osten, soweit arbeitsfähig, in Arbeiteinsatz zu kommen.

Nach Sachlage bestehen keine Bedanken, wenn diejenigen Juden, die nicht arbeitsfähig sind, mit den Brackschen Hilfsmitteln beseitigt werden. Auf diese Weise dürften dann auch die Vorgänge, wie sie sich bei den Erschießungen der Juden in Wilna nach einem mir vorliegenden Bericht ergeben haben, und die auch im Hinblick darauf, daß die Erschießungen öffentlich vorgenommen wurden, kaum gebilligt werden können, nicht mehr möglich sein. Die Arbeitsfähigen dagegen werden zum Arbeitseinsatz nach Osten abtransportiert. Daß bei den arbeitsfähigen Juden Männer und Frauen getrennt zu halten sind, dürfte selbstverständlich sein.

Über Ihre weiteren maßnahmen erbitte ich Bericht.

[Hadding]

This is not exactly what I expected as a "plan" but I will go through it, checking the translation etc.

[Hadding]

Richard Verrall, author of Did Six Million Really Die?, addressed the question of this document in a letter dated 10 November 1979 to the editor of the New Statesman, which had published an article by well known Holocaust-Asserter Gitta Sereny that relied heavily on the document in question. Verrall infers from the fact that the author of the document was never tried or punished, that the document is not genuine. First Verrall notes that Gitty Sereny (like HenryHaysExecutioner) was unable to produce any plan for a mass-gassing chamber, but in lieu of that ...

... Miss Sereny cites [DOCUMENT] NO-365. This is a typed draft of a letter, and it has a very suspicious history. It is apparently initialled by Dr. Wetzel, a member of Rosenberg's Ministry. Wetzel is one of the many mysterious cases of minor officials whose initialled documents constituted trial evidence but who themselves became immune from prosecution. He was not arrested until 1961, but no trial ever materialized. He had lived undisturbed until that time because he had supplied Reitlinger with material which gave credence to the gas chamber thesis of his book The Final Solution. "In the opinion of the authorities Wetzel was indebted for his incognito, which lasted for years, to the British historian Gerald Reitlinger..." (Allguer Anzeigeblatt, 18 August 1961). In other words, we doubtless have here another fabrication after the event, like the Gerstein Statement.

Professor Robert Faurisson, in a letter on the same subject dated 30 November 1979, also is skeptical about the document's authenticity:

Certainly persecution existed; but there was no "extermination," "genocide" or "Holocaust." Gitta Sereny is unable to offer a single item of evidence to the contrary. She does mention Nuremberg document NO-365, but this "document" is not even signed, and is therefore worthless as evidence.
http://64.143.9.197/jhr/v01/v01p153_Butz.html

The document does bear "Wet 25/10" in ink, but that is not quite a signature.

[jack_boot]

365 is genuine enough. It is a draft, actually a second draft, of a letter that was never sent. Wetzel denies authorship, saying he was not in his office on or about 25 October 1941.

Brack was the chief of T4, the Reich euthanasia program concerning the insane; and Kallmeyer was his technical specialist. Kallmeyer was a chemist, who did indeed concern himself with the handling of hydrogen cyanide, and was up to his elbows in so-called medical euthanasia, though it is never said anywhere that he used hydrogen cyanide for that purpose.

The clear implication in the unsent letter is to use gas chambers supplied with hydrogen cyanide for the extermination of jews unfit to work, and that the construction of such facilities would be at Riga.

Further, Kallmeyer did go to Riga, and did supervise the construction of a large gassing facility there. But it was a delousing facility. There were no homicidal gas chambers at Riga, even the Shoah business historians agree on this.

The Shoah business historians contend that hydrogen cyanide was used to systematically murder human beings in one place and one place only: Birchenau, at Auschwitz, in the form of Zyklon-B, a trade name for hydrogen cyanide manufactured as a delousing agent.

Someone in Wetzel's office wrote a draft over Wetzel's name, recommending that personnel from the T4 program be dispatched to Riga to supervise the extermination of jews by gassing. Some form of this letter was no doubt sent out, because these specialists were indeed ordered to Riga, where they did indeed build a gas chamber. A delousing gas chamber. But no homicidal gas chamber was ever built.

In 1944, three years later, there were still hundreds of thousands of jews in this district, or "Gau", of the General Government of occupied Poland.

Yes, the draft known as 365 is damnably phrased. Clearly some NS officials were thinking along these lines as early as 1941. But did policy come about as a result? Not at Riga - all are in agreement.

This is not a document establishing policy, just an unsigned draft in a filing cabinet. Nothing ever came of it - except a delousing facility.

[jack_boot]

Now then. About that floor plan of a homicidal gas chamber...? Already posted, you say?

Damned if I can find it.

[jack_boot]

Oy vey Jack boot! They need no proof. Thousands of Jews were there, we witnessed these gas chambers! My dear mother and father, God bless them, were forced into one and then thrown into an oven.

If you want proof, just rent a movie about the holocaust. The proof is there! How dare you not blindly accept the holocaust and the gas chambers! Bad goy! No dessert for you.

Funny you should mention that. I'm having a cinnamon bagel at the moment.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

365 is genuine enough. It is a draft, actually a second draft, of a letter that was never sent. Wetzel denies authorship, saying he was not in his office on or about 25 October 1941.

Brack was the chief of T4, the Reich euthanasia program concerning the insane; and Kallmeyer was his technical specialist. Kallmeyer was a chemist, who did indeed concern himself with the handling of hydrogen cyanide, and was up to his elbows in so-called medical euthanasia, though it is never said anywhere that he used hydrogen cyanide for that purpose.

The clear implication in the unsent letter is to use gas chambers supplied with hydrogen cyanide for the extermination of jews unfit to work, and that the construction of such facilities would be at Riga.

Further, Kallmeyer did go to Riga, and did supervise the construction of a large gassing facility there. But it was a delousing facility. There were no homicidal gas chambers at Riga, even the Shoah business historians agree on this.

The Shoah business historians contend that hydrogen cyanide was used to systematically murder human beings in one place and one place only: Birchenau, at Auschwitz, in the form of Zyklon-B, a trade name for hydrogen cyanide manufactured as a delousing agent.

Someone in Wetzel's office wrote a draft over Wetzel's name, recommending that personnel from the T4 program be dispatched to Riga to supervise the extermination of jews by gassing. Some form of this letter was no doubt sent out, because these specialists were indeed ordered to Riga, where they did indeed build a gas chamber. A delousing gas chamber. But no homicidal gas chamber was ever built.

In 1944, three years later, there were still hundreds of thousands of jews in this district, or "Gau", of the General Government of occupied Poland.

Yes, the draft known as 365 is damnably phrased. Clearly some NS officials were thinking along these lines as early as 1941. But did policy come about as a result? Not at Riga - all are in agreement.

This is not a document establishing policy, just an unsigned draft in a filing cabinet. Nothing ever came of it - except a delousing facility.

Ok first off, if that letter was refering to delousing chambers show me another document known to be about delousing chambers that refers to them as "Vergasungsapparate".

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

Now then. About that floor plan of a homicidal gas chamber...? Already posted, you say?

Damned if I can find it.

I said plans, that draft is a letter detailing plans to build homicidal gas chambers.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

"mit den Brackschen Hilfsmitteln beseitigt"

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

What did you accuse me of? Obfuscation?

[Hadding]

365 is genuine enough. It is a draft, actually a second draft, of a letter that was never sent. Wetzel denies authorship, saying he was not in his office on or about 25 October 1941.

Brack was the chief of T4, the Reich euthanasia program concerning the insane; and Kallmeyer was his technical specialist. Kallmeyer was a chemist, who did indeed concern himself with the handling of hydrogen cyanide, and was up to his elbows in so-called medical euthanasia, though it is never said anywhere that he used hydrogen cyanide for that purpose.

The clear implication in the unsent letter is to use gas chambers supplied with hydrogen cyanide for the extermination of jews unfit to work, and that the construction of such facilities would be at Riga....

Someone in Wetzel's office wrote a draft over Wetzel's name, recommending that personnel from the T4 program be dispatched to Riga to supervise the extermination of jews by gassing. Some form of this letter was no doubt sent out, because these specialists were indeed ordered to Riga, where they did indeed build a gas chamber. A delousing gas chamber. But no homicidal gas chamber was ever built.

In 1944, three years later, there were still hundreds of thousands of jews in this district, or "Gau", of the General Government of occupied Poland.

Yes, the draft known as 365 is damnably phrased. Clearly some NS officials were thinking along these lines as early as 1941. But did policy come about as a result? Not at Riga - all are in agreement.

This is not a document establishing policy, just an unsigned draft in a filing cabinet. Nothing ever came of it - except a delousing facility.


I am really puzzled at how Jack_Boot can say that Nuremberg Document 365 is "genuine enough" when
(1) it is an unsigned draft for a secret letter that was never sent, which means that only the author could attest to its authenticity, and
(2) the alleged author of the draft says that he did not write it.

Jack_Boot is calling the letter a forgery and genuine at the same time. In this case, Jack_Boot means by "genuine" only that the draft was forged in 1941 and not after the war, and he adduces events of that time as evidence. I am not sure how credible it is, however, to argue that Dr. Kellmeyer went to Riga to build a delousing facility because of a letter that ostensibly advocates building a gas-chamber for euthanasia. The text could well be based on a real letter from 1941 about the need for delousing chambers, with certain incriminating references woven in after the war, or it could be a clever post-war forgery written to cast a malicious interpretetion on events that actually occurred. We pretty well agree that it is a forgery; the only question is when it was forged.

This brings me to the problems of content. The meaning of this unsigned draft is not as clear as Jack_Boot says. At least, it does not fit the current version of the Holocaust myth. There is nothing in this text about large numbers of Jews going into a room where Zyklon-B pellets are dropped in through a hole in the roof.

As Jack_Boot mentions, this unsigned draft (of a letter that was never sent) purports that preparations were being made so that Jews who were unable to work would be euthanized through gassing, a method of euthanasia allegedly proposed by Dr. Viktor Brack.

There is a page about Viktor Brack on David Irving's website http://fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/testimonies/Brack1947.html , including the following observations from Samuel Crowell:

BRACK was Bouhler's deputy and played a role in, among other things, euthanasia. Brack, like Brandt, took the lead from Konrad Morgen's testimony at the IMT in the summer of 1946, and "confessed" that the euthanasia program was carried out using carbon monoxide.... All the hard evidence I have seen indicates that injections were used instead, although Brandt "confessed" to gassing way back in September, 1945, while the Belsen trial was going on.
They admitted to gassing because that is what the US interrogators were expecting, based on Morgen's affidavits and testimony and wartime and prewar rumors. By turning "state's evidence" they hoped to save their own lives: yes, we used poison gas, but it was the most merciful method.

If Crowell is right, then the association of Dr. Viktor Brack with euthanasia by gassing in Nuremberg Document 365 marks it as a tissue of post-war propaganda.

Jack_Boot thinks the document speaks clearly about using cyanide gas for euthanasia but that is not the case. It speaks of the manufacture of "gassing apparatus." The reference is more likely to be (as Crowell mentions) to the mythical use of carbon monoxide generated by diesel engines for euthanasia, with which Dr. Brack was falsely associated.

And of course the unsigned draft also speaks of "camps for Jews" being set up at Riga and Minsk, where no camps are today claimed to have existed.

There are a number of reasons for doubting this unsigned "draft's" authenticity, on grounds of both provenance and content. In the immediate postwar period the Holocaust Myth included a lot of tales that were gradually abandoned. Some stories like the euthanasia story (in which there was a kernel of truth, although the accusation that people were euthanized just for being unable to work is outrageous) had much more prominence in the anti-Nazi propaganda of that time than they have now. This text is evidently a forgery from that period.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

Typyical denier. Alot of gabbing but the only real response is "I say it was a forgery", with no evidence to back up the claim. The real reason "revisionists" deny it's authenticity is clear: it is very strong evidence of efforts to produce gas chambers for the killing of Jews.

[Hadding]

Typyical denier. Alot of gabbing but the only real response is "I say it was a forgery", with no evidence to back up the claim. The real reason "revisionists" deny it's authenticity is clear: it is very strong evidence of efforts to produce gas chambers for the killing of Jews.

Nuremberg Document 365, which you adduce as documentation of the Holocaust, is not a plan of a homicidal mass-gassing chamber and it is does not even say anything about hydrogen cyanide gas or Zyklon-B or killing Jews just for being Jews. You have gone off-topic by introducing this text as evidence for the Holocaust, which was supposed to be the killing of six-million Jews just for being Jews. It speaks of a "gassing apparatus" when the alleged method of gassing at Auschwitz (Zyklon-B pellets dumped in through a hole in the roof of a brick building) involves no special apparatus. This text is not about "the Holocaust"; rather it presents a caricature of the euthanasia program that existed in the Third Reich. It is off-topic.

The fact that the text is unsigned is a pretty good indication that it is a forgery. The fact that it associates the Third Reich's euthanasia program with gassing (where the gas alleged in the traditional propaganda about the Third Reich's euthanasia program was diesel exhaust) proves that it is a forgery. (And apparently the alleged author Wetzel denies that he even wrote it: Jack_Boot: where can we read that?)

When are you going to show a plan of a mass-gassing chamber?

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

When are you going to show a plan of a mass-gassing chamber?

I just did and all you have done is obfuscate and call it a forgery with no evidence.

[Hadding]

I just did and all you have done is obfuscate and call it a forgery with no evidence.

What you posted was not a plan of a mass-gassing facility that shows how the gas chamber is constructed etc. What you posted was an alleged draft for a letter--a letter proposing projects such as the construction of "camps for Jews" at Riga and Minsk, which never took place.

In the words of Professor Robert Faurisson: "Show me or draw me an homicidal nazi gas-chamber."

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

What you posted was not a plan of a mass-gassing facility that shows how the gas chamber is constructed etc.

I said plan. I posted a plan.

What you posted was an alleged draft for a letter--a letter proposing projects such as the construction of "camps for Jews" at Riga and Minsk, which never took place.

So? They made plans and they changed them. They built their gas chambers elsewhere.

In the words of Professor Robert Faurisson: "Show me or draw me an homicidal nazi gas-chamber."


In the words of me "you are no position to demand this or that specific piece of evidence." This document speaks for itself and that is why you are forced to try to argue that it is a fake, but you present no evidence of this.


As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy. In this way, events such as those that, according to a report in front of me, took place on the occasion of the shootings of the Jews in Vilna, and which, considering that the shootings were carried out in public, can hardly be excused, will no longer be possible. On the other hand, those capable of work will be transported for labour in the east. It goes without saying that the male and female Jews capable of work will be kept apart.

[Hadding]

The text, an alleged document, speaks for nobody and nothing because it bears no signature.

I think you are the only person reading this thread who pretends not to understand that a "plan for a mass-gassing chamber," means an exposition of one gas chamber.

This is the general tendency of you Holocaust-Asserters. You ramble from one thing to another and refuse to focus on any single thing long enough to find out whether it can withstand scrutiny.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

The text, an alleged document, speaks for nobody and nothing because it bears no signature.

I think you are the only person reading this thread who pretends not to understand that a "plan for a mass-gassing chamber," means an exposition of one gas chamber.

This is the general tendency of you Holocaust-Asserters. You ramble from one thing to another and refuse to focus on any single thing long enough to find out whether it can withstand scrutiny.

LOL I don't know who you think you are fooling. Any peice of evidence for anything can be said to be "alleged". How do you know anything?

[jack_boot]

Oftentimes the Asserters like to produce a photocopy of an inventory for an Auschwitz gas chamber. The problem is that all the damning items in the bill of materials are penciled in.

When they wish to play violins they wax faux miserable about Anne Frank's diary. Problem is, the juicy stuff in the diary is written with a ball-point pen, a device not invented until after the war, and after Anne's death. Anne, by the way, was not gassed, shot, vacuumed, steamed, electrocuted or boiled alive, but died of typhoid in a hospital as duly recorded by the German camp administration. The diary is now enshrined in the bowels of Yad Vashem, forever forbidden to the sight of mere infidel goyim, who, by the mere act of beholding such holy-of-holies, should sully it.

When rending their garments, such as Daniel Goldhagen is wont to make a good buck or two with such display, they hold aloft the "Memoirs" of Commandant Hoess of Auschwitz, failing to mention of course that Hoess was tortured relentlessly for months; in fact, the jews beat two such "Memoirs" out of him, the second one a toned-down version of the first, before hanging him in some godforsaken commie dungeon in Poland.

Elie Weasel, sobbing boob and purveyor of such sappy mendacity that even jews have had a bellyful of him, writes baldly that he chose, chose of his own free will, to stay with the SS as they retreated before the Red onslaught. Maybe he just wanted to watch some more gas-oven action at the hands of these monstrous fiends, or maybe he is lying through his goddam teeth about the SS and was never in any danger at all from them. You decide.

Combine this with their fake Krema I attraction, amazingly flexible head counts, and the myriad other honking lies we've caught them in, that I won't even bother to list as the reader will get cross-eyed.

Yet HHE is shocked - shocked! - at Hadding's skepticism concerning 365. The very idea, Hadding.

Shocked that Hadding could misunderstand so, that when HHE says he will post plans of a homicidal gas chamber, Hadding thought he meant plans of a homicidal gas chamber! And me too, but then, I'm the dummy, eh, HHE?

[Roy Batty]

So I'm going through the thread, going through the thread, getting ready to fire off a rejoinder ... and then there's this great post from jack_boot that takes HHE's drivel, crumples it up and tosses it into the circular file. Case closed. Well done.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

So I'm going through the thread, going through the thread, getting ready to fire off a rejoinder ... and then there's this great post from jack_boot that takes HHE's drivel, crumples it up and tosses it into the circular file. Case closed. Well done.

Notice that he did not even adress the document that I posted. He does the denier dance of lies. Start talking about Auschwitz and they bring up Treblinka (remember Boot?), bring up the subject of gas chambers and they start ranting about soap, start talking about the Eizengruppen and they bring up Isreal, talk about euthenasia and they bring up the Bolsheviks. It is a deniers game of musical chairs. If Boot really had a case he would take it to alt.revisionism and give it a go. But he has no argument really, all he is doing is playing a game, and he knows it.

[jack_boot]

Nuremberg Document 365 [] speaks of a "gassing apparatus" when the alleged method of gassing at Auschwitz (Zyklon-B pellets dumped in through a hole in the roof of a brick building) involves no special apparatus.

That allegation has always puzzled me. Use of HCN for delousing was routine at this time in Europe; some of the biggest gas chambers ever built are in European railyards, used for delousing trains (and a more perfect scenario for the fiendish Germans and their Endlosung could hardly be imagined). A perfectly serviceable device for introducing the deadly pellets into such a chamber can be seen here:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/disinfection02.html

Yet the claim about Auschwitz was that the Germans dumped pellets through a wooden hatch on the roof (!) of the chamber, which pellets fell into a wire cage, positioned vertically like a column from floor to ceiling in the room. Hence the need for the famous "holes" that no one can find. Nor have I ever heard any description of the means used by the Germans to then bring these pellets to activation temperature, 78 degrees F. Why play with fire when specialty equipment was available, manufactured no doubt by a dozen firms in Europe? We hear such stories because the accusers don't know what they are talking about, when it comes to handling HCN.

The fact that the text is unsigned is a pretty good indication that it is a forgery. The fact that it associates the Third Reich's euthanasia program with gassing (where the gas alleged in the traditional propaganda about the Third Reich's euthanasia program was diesel exhaust) proves that it is a forgery. (And apparently the alleged author Wetzel denies that he even wrote it: Jack_Boot: where can we read that?)

I think a transcript of Wetzel's Nuremburg testimony on Nizkor. I didn't save the link, but their search engine works pretty good. He also talks about Kallmeyer being sent on this mission, and that Kallmeyer took care of some gas chambers, presumably the delousing facility somewhere in Riga. They always used HCN for delousing so I put that together. Still, if 365 is not a forgery, it's not worth much more than a forgery.

When are you going to show a plan of a mass-gassing chamber?

It seems, Hadding, we must content ourselves with conjecture in text.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

If that letter was refering to delousing chambers show me another document known to be about delousing chambers that refers to them as "Vergasungsapparate".

[jack_boot]

Notice that he did not even adress the document that I posted.

Jaw-dropping claim. Mind-boggling. On what post did we not concern ourselves with 365?

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

Jaw-dropping claim. Mind-boggling. On what post did we not concern ourselves with 365?

Post #26, the one that the guy I was reply to was refering to. Are you ever going to admit that your 99% empty space fire requirements are jaw-dropping mind-boggling bullshit boot?

If that letter was refering to delousing chambers show me another document known to be about delousing chambers that refers to them as "Vergasungsapparate".

[Gott]

Jaw-dropping claim. Mind-boggling. On what post did we not concern ourselves with 365?


I used to try and discuss the holohoax over at The Third Reich Fact Book forum. There is a full time 24/7 kike who runs that show, no doubt because his superiors threaten the owner with the 'hate site' label if jew Roberto doesn't get to call the shots. And so, over there, anyone who deviates from the official yid line gets offed pronto.

Therefore it is mighty refreshing to see you and Hadding so magnificently wiping the floor with this lying jew slime. What ever they are paying this particular example of jew corruption for putting in his 8 hour days here at VNN sure isn't enough, considering the beating you two are administering. And with such relaxed and amused ease on both your parts too. Not even working up a sweat over this insect, eh?

Keep these posts coming!

[jack_boot]

Post #26, the one that the guy I was reply to was refering to. Are you ever going to admit that your 99% empty space fire requirements are jaw-dropping mind-boggling bullshit boot?

If that letter was refering to delousing chambers show me another document known to be about delousing chambers that refers to them as "Vergasungsapparate".

Oh, for God's sake.

Anyway, thank you, Roy. Hadding inspired me near to poetry - alas, I couldn't think of a rhyming phrase for "HHE is a dumb putz".

Gotta go shovel a car out from under 14 inches of snow. If Henry's lucky, I'll have a heart attack. If not, I'll be back to monger to some more hate later.

We'll discuss how to convert the '87 Merc into a "Vergasungsapparate", with radiator hose and duct tape.

[Hadding]

LOL I don't know who you think you are fooling. Any peice of evidence for anything can be said to be "alleged". How do you know anything?

I referred to Nuremberg Document 365 as an "alleged" document. More accurately I should have referred to it as a so-called document, because a document is a proof and this so-called document, an unsigned page, is as good for proving what it says as an unsigned check would be for proving that I want to give you money.

Is that easy enough to understand?

[Ossian]

I used to try and discuss the holohoax over at The Third Reich Fact Book forum. There is a full time 24/7 kike who runs that show, no doubt because his superiors threaten the owner with the 'hate site' label if jew Roberto doesn't get to call the shots. And so, over there, anyone who deviates from the official yid line gets offed pronto.



That's the Swedish one, right? That formerly free, formerly all-White country, where telling, or even inquiring into the truth (whenever if conflicts with "The Truth") has lately become an "antisemitic," and even imprisonable offense? Those folks are hilarious. It's so kind of them to come here to further entertain us.

[Hadding]

If that letter was refering to delousing chambers show me another document known to be about delousing chambers that refers to them as "Vergasungsapparate".
Vergasung is the conversion of something to gas or aerosol. The venturi or fuel-injector in an internal combustion engine is a Vergasser, as I understand. There is nothing inherently sinister in the word Vergasung.

[Hadding]

[QUOTE=jack_boot]Anne [Frank], by the way, was not gassed, shot, vacuumed, steamed, electrocuted or boiled alive, but died of typhoid in a hospital as duly recorded by the German camp administration. QUOTE]
Typhus I believe, not typhoid. Typhus is transmitted through lice whereas typhoid comes from contaminated water.

[Hadding]

Post #26, the one that the guy I was reply to was refering to. Are you ever going to admit that your 99% empty space fire requirements are jaw-dropping mind-boggling bullshit boot?

If that letter was refering to delousing chambers show me another document known to be about delousing chambers that refers to them as "Vergasungsapparate".

I don't think the so-called document refers consistently to any apparatus that actually existed. Jack_Boot commits the fallacy of trying to make sense out of what is in all likelihood a corrupt text. There are muddled references to real events (if in fact a delousing facility was built at Riga) combined with references to events that never occurred (use of gas in euthanasia).

[Gott]

That's the Swedish one, right? That formerly free, formerly all-White country, where telling, or even inquiring into the truth (whenever if conflicts with "The Truth") has lately become an "antisemitic," and even imprisonable offense? Those folks are hilarious. It's so kind of them to come here to further entertain us.

Yes, I think the guy who runs it is Swedish. Northern European anyway. It is a terrific site if you are interested in military history - you can get hard fact information on virtually anything having to do with warfare there. I had some really obscure questions about a few Italian engagements in the Austro Prussian war (The Battle of Lissa) and got the answers and links within a few minutes.
But the jews own the holohoax forum there.

http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

The fact that the document was initialed and not signed is in no way proof, or even an indication, that it is a forgery. I have written thousands of documents for work without signing them. It is simple really. You say that it was a forgery: provide some proof.

[Hadding]

The fact that the document was initialed and not signed is in no way proof, or even an indication, that it is a forgery. I have written thousands of documents for work without signing them. It is simple really. You say that it was a forgery: provide some proof.

It has "Wet 25/10" written on it. That is not even Wetzel's initials (contrary to what Verrall said). That is apparently some kind of notation for filing.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

It has "Wet 25/10" written on it. That is not even Wetzel's initials (contrary to what Verrall said). That is apparently some kind of notation for filing.

Ok so it was a filing notation. Any proof the document was a forgery?

[jack_boot]

Anne [Frank], by the way, was not gassed, shot, vacuumed, steamed, electrocuted or boiled alive, but died of typhoid in a hospital as duly recorded by the German camp administration.
Typhus I believe, not typhoid. Typhus is transmitted through lice whereas typhoid comes from contaminated water.

Typhus, typhoid. At least she's dead.

[jack_boot]

I don't think the so-called document refers consistently to any apparatus that actually existed. Jack_Boot commits the fallacy of trying to make sense out of what is in all likelihood a corrupt text. There are muddled references to real events (if in fact a delousing facility was built at Riga) combined with references to events that never occurred (use of gas in euthanasia).

I took the draft at face value for what it was - or rather, purported to be - a draft in a filing cabinet. Besides, it's famous; though the mention of it always bores me, because it was never anything but a draft in a filing cabinet. If that. I must say, Hadding and Faurisson have got me mighty suspicious of good ol' 365.

Wasn't it recently revealed the Pentagon had a plan on file to nuke an American city, if necessary, to rile up the yahoos for yet another foreign war?

Didn't the Brits have contingency plans for poison gas attacks on Germany during jews' war 2?

We can go on and on about drafts in filing cabinets.

Yet, let us produce a document like this little nugget right here:

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

And listen to the howls of derision from the neocons and traitors of HHE's ilk.

Never mind that the jews who wrote this paper are now to be found stalking the halls of the White House and the Pentagon, powerful members of the President's Inner Party; never mind that current administration foreign policy tracks this strategic outline to the letter - as witness the recent sabre-rattling in Syria's face, and the sanctions about to be placed on that country.

No - we produce a document that clearly has fomented policy, and really has got quite a few people killed in the process, and what do we hear? That we are liars, conspiracy-theorists, ignorant racists, anti-Semites!!!, trailer trash, hatemongers, traitors. Nazis.

We produce a document that outlines a plan that is undeniably being executed at this very moment, and we hear plenty of skepticism from HHE's kind, don't we?

But HHE trots out some scrap of memo dug out of a minor bureaucratic functionary's bottom drawer, and that we are to take as Gospel.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

More denier slithering. If you had any kind of a case you would never have to bring up Isreal. So your proof consists of repeating that some else has doubts with no proof?

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

HHE continues in the fashion we have taught him! Don't attack facts or materials that are at odds with the lies you espouse! No! Merely slither out of the way and accuse your opponent of doing the slithering! Oy, he's so sharp, no one will notice these tactics. Bow before us, we are your masters, just as we are HHE's masters!

Shut up stupid.

[Hadding]

Evidently somebody decided that HHE's efforts here were not producing good results, since he seems to have given up.

[Gott]

Evidently somebody decided that HHE's efforts here were not producing good results, since he seems to have given up.


Congratulations on demolishing him (and those who assigned him to this beat) so thoroughly.

88

[luhwind]

Excellent thread...

Evidence for a probably forged document? It's called reasonable doubt, thoroughly demonstrated here, it's a legal concept we've been using for a while now... Got any proof it wasn't forged?

[Hadding]

Excellent thread...

Evidence for a probably forged document? It's called reasonable doubt, thoroughly demonstrated here, it's a legal concept we've been using for a while now... Got any proof it wasn't forged?

I asked Professor Faurisson for more elucidation about the alleged letter-draft and he said that Wetzel, the ostensible author, was employed by the United Nations after the war, and the professor repeated what Verrall said in 1979, that Wetzel was never tried or punished.

Faurisson only mentions that Brack said that he knew nothing of any such letter, implying that no such letter was sent. (Perhaps Jack_Boot was mistaken in saying that Wetzel was the one who said that he knew nothing of the letter.)

There were some spies in the N-S bureaucracy. Circumstances make it appear that Wetzel was one. Another prominent example of such a false witness was a man named von dem Busche, an anti-Hitlerite who appeared in The World at War, and then there was Kurt Gerstein, who if he was not a spy bearing false witness, was just insane.

In any case an alleged draft for a letter containing proposals that everyone admits were never enacted has zero value as a document.

[jack_boot]

I asked Professor Faurisson for more elucidation about the alleged letter-draft and he said that Wetzel, the ostensible author, was employed by the United Nations after the war, and the professor repeated what Verrall said in 1979, that Wetzel was never tried or punished.

Faurisson only mentions that Brack said that he knew nothing of any such letter, implying that no such letter was sent. (Perhaps Jack_Boot was mistaken in saying that Wetzel was the one who said that he knew nothing of the letter.)

There were some spies in the N-S bureaucracy. Circumstances make it appear that Wetzel was one. Another prominent example of such a false witness was a man named von dem Busche, an anti-Hitlerite who appeared in The World at War, and then there was Kurt Gerstein, who if he was not a spy bearing false witness, was just insane.

In any case an alleged draft for a letter containing proposals that everyone admits were never enacted has zero value as a document.

I was mistaken; it was Brack I was thinking of. Here Nizkor has a transcript of his NMT testimony cited during the Eichmann trial in Israel:

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/eichmann-adolf/transcripts/Appeal/Appeal-Session-04-06.html

"Q. Did you receive a copy of this letter?
"A. May I first ask you what the date of this letter is?

"Q. Only 1941 is mentioned here. But that is the date I told you. Did you receive a copy of this letter, Herr Brack?

"A. I did not receive a copy of it nor did I even see a copy of that letter, nor do I know this Amtsgerichtsrat Wetzel.

"Q. Did you have a conference with Eichmann on this problem, on the solution of the Jewish question?

"A. I already said that I cannot even remember the name Eichmann, nor can I remember the name Wetzel."

****

"Herr Brack, are you still going to maintain what you said here in direct examination, namely, that you tried to protect the Jews and to save the Jews from their terrible fate and that you were never a champion for the extermination program?
"Q. I should even like to maintain that misuse, terrible misuse, was made of my name. I see from this letter and from the date of this letter that all these negotiations were carried out at a time when I was far away from Berlin, when I was on sick leave."

And here corax cites a transcript from Nuremberg:

http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/brack.html

Q. Was Kallmeyer the engineer, or was he a chemist, who made these plans for gas chambers and assisted the directors in euthanasia stations in setting up these gas chambers?

A. No. Kallmeyer had to check that the gas chambers were operating properly, but I don't believe he made any plans for that purpose.

Q. Kallmeyer was the man who supervised these gas chambers, was he not?

A. I believe so, yes, but not for long, only for a short time.

Q. All right. And does the name Kallmeyer refresh your memory as to eventual plans you made together with Eichmann about the solution of the Jewish problem, Herr Brack?

[Hadding]

And here corax cites a transcript from Nuremberg:

http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/brack.html

Q. Was Kallmeyer the engineer, or was he a chemist, who made these plans for gas chambers and assisted the directors in euthanasia stations in setting up these gas chambers?

A. No. Kallmeyer had to check that the gas chambers were operating properly, but I don't believe he made any plans for that purpose.

Q. Kallmeyer was the man who supervised these gas chambers, was he not?

A. I believe so, yes, but not for long, only for a short time.

Q. All right. And does the name Kallmeyer refresh your memory as to eventual plans you made together with Eichmann about the solution of the Jewish problem, Herr Brack?

The key statement in this exchange is Brack's statement about Kallmeyer: "I don't believe he made any plans for that purpose," which evidently means that in Brack's opinion Kallmeyer didn't have any knowledge of (delousing) gas-chambers being used for euthanasia. Strictly speaking, Brack is answering a question that was not asked.

The exchange is a little confusing because the questioner jumbles together several claims (Kallmeyer was an engineer; Kallmeyer was a chemist; Kallmeyer planned gas-chambers; Kallmeyer helped set up gas-chambers; euthanasia stations existed; gas-chambers were at euthanasia stations; and by implication: Kallmeyer planned gas-chambers for use in euthanasia) which Brack then has to sort out on the spur of the moment. Brack's initial No is mainly in response to the implication, rather than what is actually said, but with all those claims jumbled together, perhaps there is something else there that Brack would have disputed if it had been asked separately, e.g. the claim that gas-chambers were set up at euthanasia stations, or that euthanasia stations existed.

It's not really a fair manner of questioning, and I even wonder if the bit about "Kallmeyer the engineer, or was he a chemist" was not deliberately thrown in at the start to increase the level of confusion.

Thank you for the self-correction, Jack_Boot.

[jack_boot]

Exactly, and leading questions were the least of the judicial transgressions at Nuremburg. Brack acquitted himself well enough, under the circumstances. No way was he going to let the prosecutor claim Kallmeyer was gassing jews at Riga.

It's a pleasure working with you, Hadding.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

I see you circle-jerkers are still at it. Have you convinced each other yet? LOL. Get back to me when you have found some proof that this document is a forgery. :rolleyes:

[jack_boot]

I see you circle-jerkers are still at it. Have you convinced each other yet? LOL. Get back to me when you have found some proof that this document is a forgery. :rolleyes:

Sure. And you let us know when you've found the holes in the roof of your Auschwitz gas-oven, or if you can turn up a single kosher charcoal from Treblinka. Righto?

'Bye, now.

Loser.

[Hadding]

If that's the best "document" that this screwball can produce, an alleged draft for a letter referring to some actions that everyone agrees were never actually performed, then there are no documents that he can produce for his case whatsoever.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

Sure. And you let us know when you've found the holes in the roof of your Auschwitz gas-oven, or if you can turn up a single kosher charcoal from Treblinka. Righto?


Typical denier circle dance. Jack Boot's circle always comes back to Treblinka, which shows that he is completely aware that he is lying, and relies on the Nazi's own destruction of evidence in his efforts to reform their image in line with his William Peirce fan club mentality. If he actually believed the holocaust was a hoax he would not focus on the place where the least of this supposedly faked evidence survived. No one has shown proof that this document is false. It is admitted as evidence, and it is evidence that is very damaging to the deniers' case (which is why they have futily thrown every technique they have against it).

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

If that's the best "document" that this screwball can produce, an alleged draft for a letter referring to some actions that everyone agrees were never actually performed, then there are no documents that he can produce for his case whatsoever.

More stereotypical denier logic. "I personally question this document, therefore this document is worthless and so are any others" ***Hadding wipes hands and puts on a smug smile***

This document shows clear intent and planning towards construction of devises to be used to murder Jews by gassing, no amount of your reaching around and stroking each other off is going to change that.

As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy. In this way, events such as those that, according to a report in front of me, took place on the occasion of the shootings of the Jews in Vilna, and which, considering that the shootings were carried out in public, can hardly be excused, will no longer be possible. On the other hand, those capable of work will be transported for labour in the east.

[jack_boot]

Typical propagandist obfuscation. Holes in the roof of the Auschwitz vaporization chamber, HHE. Where are they?

What is it with you, anyway? Don't have a skeptical bone in your body?

You know, on any given Sunday, there are fifty million people gathered into churches in this UN refugee camp we call a country, all praying to a magic grampa they believe is floating around on a cloud waiting to give them, the True Believers, pie in the sky when they die. They believe he has an army of angels and is fighting an invisible, supernatural, cosmic war with an invisible devil and an army of lesser devils.

Three hundred years ago, if I had said to them : "Bullshit, what a bunch of fools you are" they would have burned me at the stake. Why? Because the powers-that-were had a vested interest in selling the mob this particular bill of goods, and it wasn't all bad.

It wasn't all bad, I say, and still isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a pack of lies. And laughably obvious.

Why do you, HHE, so desperately want to believe the holocaust tales to the last dot and comma? Why do you demand that everyone else does, too? Why do you support law punishing the skeptics? How can you justify the present-day Inquisition?

By what moral framework do you make us out to be evil, and yourself and your ilk morally superior, when in fact it is you jailing people for what they think - and not us? How does that make you anything but another run-of-the-mill, orthodox, party line dogmatic yes-man?

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

Typical propagandist obfuscation. Holes in the roof of the Auschwitz vaporization chamber, HHE. Where are they?

You been hanging at the John Ball site or something?

What is it with you, anyway? Don't have a skeptical bone in your body?

I am a skeptic, have been for a long time, since before I could read. That is why:
A) When I first read the revisionists I did it with a completely open mind, they presented themselves as legitimate historians and I gave them the benefit of the doubt.
B) I realized very quickly that the whole lot of it was bullshit.

You know, on any given Sunday, there are fifty million people gathered into churches in this UN refugee camp we call a country, all praying to a magic grampa they believe is floating around on a cloud waiting to give them, the True Believers, pie in the sky when they die. They believe he has an army of angels and is fighting an invisible, supernatural, cosmic war with an invisible devil and an army of lesser devils.

Three hundred years ago, if I had said to them : "Bullshit, what a bunch of fools you are" they would have burned me at the stake. Why? Because the powers-that-were had a vested interest in selling the mob this particular bill of goods, and it wasn't all bad.

Standard crap argument. I guess I need to make a webpage to link to so I don't have to refute the same things over and over. Just because somthing is "establishment" does not mean it is wrong. You can use that argument to shore up all kinds of whacky BS. Flat Earth. Moon Hoax. I tried to show this by example at stormfront but you mini fuerors put a stop to that very quick. Search for "moon hoax" if you have not seen it. I was just getting started, and I even had a few folks going right along with me, and it was this very argument that got them.

It wasn't all bad, I say, and still isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a pack of lies. And laughably obvious.Why do you, HHE, so desperately want to believe the holocaust tales to the last dot and comma?

I don't "want" to believe it. I believe it for the same reason I believe there was a war in the Pacific in the 40's that took many lives. The same reason I believe Pol Pott and Stalin and Mao killed millions of people. Evidence. Why do you construct BS arguments that contend a fire needs to be 99% air to burn? YOU are the one that "wants" to believe that it did NOT happen. Or at least you want to convince others of this.

Why do you demand that everyone else does, too?

I don't demand that anyone believe anything. But you caonnot just make a few webpages and declare yourself the "other side" of some issue and expect your ideas to be treated with respect. Respect has to be earned. To paraphrase the IHR's response to the potato hoax inquiries: "some theories are not worthy of scholarly debate".


Why do you support law punishing the skeptics?

First, you insult real skeptics by applying this label to revisionists. Revisionists are the total opposite of skeptics. Second, I never said I support laws which punish people for printing their BS little Jew hating pamphlets. I don't get too worked up about them either though, they are not in my country and there are much larger injustices going on in the world.


How can you justify the present-day Inquisition?

Give me a break. Simple unashamed hyperbole.

By what moral framework do you make us out to be evil, and yourself and your ilk morally superior,

Not morally superior (unless you admit you are lying on purpose), intellectually superior. But that is not saying much (unless you are lying on purpose).
Us,them, your ilk, my ilk...blah blah..you want to see some REAL bullshit Boot. Go look at some of those old National Alliance publications. Look at the selective crime stats that you guys give to every newbie that comes your way. Hell just look at SF or practically your whole movement. FULL OF LIES.


when in fact it is you jailing people for what they think -and not us?

First I am not jailing anyone, nor am I calling for anyone to be jailed. You can search my posts for days and days and you will never find such a thing. And as for you guys not jailing anyone, that is only because you do not have the power to do so. I have seen the way that you mini-fueror moderators exercise the limited power you have to stifle and supress "intelligent opposition", I see no reason to think that you would not jail or kill people who disagreed with you given the chance, in fact it is fairly obvious that you would, there are thousands of posts on SF that basically say just that. Remember the denver radio host, Alan Berg? The guys that killed him are still heros to you fucks so don't give me this bullshit about wanting freedom of speech, you are a Nazi. Nazi and freedom of speech are worlds apart Boot.

How does that make you anything but another run-of-the-mill, orthodox, party line dogmatic yes-man?

So believe your bullshit, erm excuse me your "work", believe that a fire needs 99% empty space to burn, believe the CIA doctored photos just because Jon Ball said so, believe David Irving based years of work on translation errors that even I can catch even though he is fluent in German, on and on and on...believe all these things or else I am another run-of-the-mill, orthodox, party line dogmatic yes-man?, No sorry Boot that kind of psychological crap does not work on me, I am a skeptic.

[Hadding]

More stereotypical denier logic. "I personally question this document, therefore this document is worthless and so are any others" ***Hadding wipes hands and puts on a smug smile***
B]

Do I even need to say that HenryHaysExecutioner's characterization of my position is recklessly and maliciously false?

It cannot be assumed that anything described in the so-called document (Nuremberg Do-365), actually happened because it describes events that everybody agrees did not happen.

The so-called document doesn't prove anything about intentions either, because the putative author (Wetzel) was treated with kid-gloves by the post-war establishment.

What is really telling is that this is the best so-called documentation for the Holohoax that HenryHaysExecutioner can produce: an unsigned typewritten page attributed to a low-level bureaucrat who for some reason was well favored by the victorious Allies after the war, declaring alleged intentions that were never carried out.

What can be the motive for someone who claims not to be a Jew to exhibit such obtuseness in these questions? I believe that any unbiased person would have acknowledged long ago, without making a lot of snide comments, that this so-called document really wasn't reliable. HHE has clearly not been arguing in good faith and this naturally calls his motives into question: Christian Zionist? Freemason? Marxist? Gay Activist? or just a common dissembling Jew? I am inclined to place HHE in the last category, even though he has said that he is not a Jew, because of the amount of reckless and unscrupulous chutzpah that he has shown.

[Gott]

I am inclined to place HHE in the last category, even though he has said that he is not a Jew, because of the amount of reckless and unscrupulous chutzpah that he has shown.

Well, gee wiz, he said he wasn't a jew...isn't that enough for you? Or as Martin Luther once said: THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES. And was it A. Schopenhauer who once said: THE JEW IS THE LIE? Pardon me if they were really talking about avocados.

There is a jew over at Third Reich Fact Book who runs their holocaust (IE hoax) board and decides what can be said (worshipful acceptance of jew mythology) and what can't be said (everything else) named 'Roberto' who has a routine remarkably like this kike toad. Maybe they are brother serpents?

Ain't the INTERNET grand?

Merry Christmas!

[Hadding]

Well, gee wiz, he said he wasn't a jew...isn't that enough for you
.... Ain't the INTERNET grand?


I have known a few Jews who, when the occasion suited them, would deny in person that they were Jews. They rely on the fact that the word Jew has more than one definition to rationalize that this is not really lying. Since they don't formally practice the Jewish religion, they are not Jews: this is the logic that they use. Otherwise, if the occasion suits them, they are Jews again.

[Gott]

Yep, and you do know, of course, that White men had nothing to do with its invention. That's right, it was God that gave us the Internet, in all HIS WISDOM. Ain't God grand?

Happy Winter Solstice to you Colonel Kurtz, and Sieg Heil!

[Gott]

I have known a few Jews who, when the occasion suited them, would deny in person that they were Jews. They rely on the fact that the word Jew has more than one definition to rationalize that this is not really lying. Since they don't formally practice the Jewish religion, they are not Jews: this is the logic that they use. Otherwise, if the occasion suits them, they are Jews again.


I worked with a particularly revolting kike at a local ritzy college a while ago and he was very loud in telling all what a jew was and wasn't. The only persons who were jews where those devoutly into the kike 'religion' (if you will pardon using the word religion in relation to such filth). Wonderful how 'jew' can mean all sorts of things, depending. I've hardly every hated anyone the way I hated and hate that slimy kike. It's will be best when 'jew' comes to mean 'extinct'.

Happy winter solstice to you Hadding - and thanks for all your knowledge about the Reich and the facts about jew lies (IE the holohoax). Sieg Heil!

[Hadding]

Colonel Kurtz's take, although mostly accurate, is mistaken on two points:

2. DDT, not Zyklon-B, was used for delousing humans.

3. Cremation is much more time-consuming than burial. It takes several hours to cremate just one corpse.

[jack_boot]

No sorry Boot that kind of psychological crap does not work on me, I am a skeptic.

No, you are a liar and, if not a jew, a race traitor. If not a jew, you are a contemptible and obnoxious sycophant (and if you are a jew, you are simply contemptible and obnoxious). I'd like you to show me one claim you've made, one thing you've said, wherein you have diverted from the party line of your masters.

Oh, my mistake - you did claim, numerous times, that David Irving wrote a book about flying saucers. Your one original thought, a clumsy attempt to impeach Mr. Irving's credibility. You should be more careful, your masters would not be quite that easily caught.

Your conformity is militant, that can be truly said of you. Had the National Socialists prevailed, you would be a party-line National Socialist today. As it happens, you have a different master's ass to kiss.

But skepticism? You have none of that virtue.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

No, you are a liar and, if not a jew, a race traitor. If not a jew, you are a contemptible and obnoxious sycophant (and if you are a jew, you are simply contemptible and obnoxious).

Yes I know in your world there is only two types of anglos, race traitors and Nazis. But to the rest of us (200 million or so of us) YOU are the traitor, that is plain and simple. Tell me what country you like better than this one, then move there, OK? That's what I thought.

I'd like you to show me one claim you've made, one thing you've said, wherein you have diverted from the party line of your masters.

"party line"? I think you mean LOGIC. I try not to divert from logic Boot, but you do it repeatedly in your attepts to reform your precious fuerors image. As for me diverting from the "party line". I would assume you would put the genetic basis for IQ and the possibilities of variance in these genetic factors between human groups outside of the "party line", so go read my first SF post (descendant). The thing is, I did not need a bunch of sub 95IQ neo-nots to tell me this, my skeptical mind saw through the "party line" all on it's own.

Oh, my mistake - you did claim, numerous times, that David Irving wrote a book about flying saucers. Your one original thought, a clumsy attempt to impeach Mr. Irving's credibility. You should be more careful, your masters would not be quite that easily caught.

Oh give me a fucking break Boot, so I mixed up their names, big deal. That was a simple mistake, unlike your 99% air empty space requirment for combustion, which contains so many errors, all errors in the same direction, that the chances of it being a mistake are something like one in 2^15.

Your conformity is militant, that can be truly said of you. Had the National Socialists prevailed, you would be a party-line National Socialist today. As it happens, you have a different master's ass to kiss.

No I would have been one of the first wave that Hitler would have went after, since I call people on bullshit.

But skepticism? You have none of that virtue.


In your warped worldview "skepticism" is merely conformity to a set of neo-nazi propaganda, you are the conformist, you are just conforming to the cultish beliefs of your Brownshirt wannabes.

[jack_boot]

Oh give me a fucking break Boot, so I mixed up their names, big deal.


A baldfaced lie.

That was a simple mistake,

It was a deliberate lie. You repeated the allegation three times, while bleating about your exhaustive research on the issue, and you would be repeating it still, if I had not called you on it. Your hatred for Mr. Irving is obvious.

...unlike your 99% air empty space requirment for combustion...

Another baldfaced lie. I said no such thing.

In your warped worldview "skepticism" is merely conformity to a set of neo-nazi propaganda, you are the conformist, you are just conforming to the cultish beliefs of your Brownshirt wannabes.

That's rich, a conformist nazi in marxist America.

[jack_boot]

Meanwhile, Henry, we're still waiting for you to validate fishwrap No. 365. Some evidence of gassing jews in Riga should do it.

Can't find any? Awww.

Maybe they all went to Treblinka in gas vans, old boy. Yes - I'm sure that's it. They all went to Treblinka in gas vans, and then disappeared into thin air.

No skeptic should have a problem with that scenario. You certainly wouldn't.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

A baldfaced lie.



It was a deliberate lie. You repeated the allegation three times, while bleating about your exhaustive research on the issue, and you would be repeating it still, if I had not called you on it. Your hatred for Mr. Irving is obvious.

Um no it was a mistake, I was not nearly as familiar with those two clowns as I am now and I mixed up their names a few times, big fucking deal, I actually caught it myself a few days later but it was too late to edit the post. You know Zundel DID write that book, you cannot change that no matter how many times Muaddib deletes it from stormfront. You deniers always end up doing this shit, pointing out small mistakes as if that is some kind of 'proof'. What about your 99% empty space requirement for a fire to burn boot? I can see you are not standing by that, you change the subject every time I bring it up. Oh yea and how many DUI convictions do you have? You never answered that one either.



Another baldfaced lie. I said no such thing.

You did by your "calculations" your "work", by skewing all of your 'mistakes' in one direction you asserted just that.

That's rich, a conformist nazi in marxist America.

No a conformist Nazi on spermfront, I doubt you ever spew your Nazi garbage out in society much. You are alot like the little anarchist fucks I knew in college, they did not really care about anything they just got off on being "aniti-establishment", like you and yours they could not compete in the real world so they dropped out and blamed everything on "the man" and the "establishment", getting their jollies by seeing themselves as some kind of savior for the rest of us with their little pamphlets full of "truths", anything that disagreed with their ideology was simply written off as "establishment lies", I guess that should not suprise me much since those non bathing twats shared your socialist tendancies.

You still have no proof that this document is a forgery, so you try to draw the conversation in other directions. NICE TRY!

[Hadding]

Um no it was a mistake, I was not nearly as familiar with those two clowns as I am now and I mixed up their names a few times, big fucking deal, I actually caught it myself a few days later but it was too late to edit the post.

It's nice that HHE admits that he started making ad hominem attacks against Revisionists as a total newcomer to the subject without having any idea what he was talking about. At least he's owned up to that.

The downside is that he minimizes the importance of it. He fails to perceive that he is still a sophomore going off half-cocked.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

It's nice that HHE admits that he started making ad hominem attacks against Revisionists as a total newcomer to the subject without having any idea what he was talking about. At least he's owned up to that.

The downside is that he minimizes the importance of it. He fails to perceive that he is still a sophomore going off half-cocked.

Um no I mentioned it because that is agood clue that someone is pawning bullshit on someone, when they have used flat earth and UFO theories to make a few bucks in the past. You know, a red flag, "UFO's, Nazi Secret Weapons?"---that is a big flag, wich is why stormfront will not even allow it to be posted that he wrote that book, it is just to obvious that he is full of it.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

It's nice that HHE admits that he started making ad hominem attacks against Revisionists as a total newcomer to the subject without having any idea what he was talking about. At least he's owned up to that.

The downside is that he minimizes the importance of it. He fails to perceive that he is still a sophomore going off half-cocked.

Um no, I was arguing with 10 different poeple on SF and I got the names confused. If that little mistake is a big deal to you how can you possibly stomach all the BS white nationalist propaganda. Double standards that is how. You still have no proof that this document is a forgery. Why so much distraction Hadding? Don't you have some truth to enlighten us with?

[jack_boot]

What about your 99% empty space requirement for a fire to burn boot? I can see you are not standing by that, you change the subject every time I bring it up.

I said it was a baldfaced lie. And not only are you a liar, you are a venomous, obsessed little nobody consumed with hatred.

Listen to this:

No a conformist Nazi on spermfront, I doubt you ever spew your Nazi garbage out in society much. You are alot like the little anarchist fucks I knew in college, they did not really care about anything they just got off on being "aniti-establishment", like you and yours they could not compete in the real world so they dropped out and blamed everything on "the man" and the "establishment", getting their jollies by seeing themselves as some kind of savior for the rest of us with their little pamphlets full of "truths", anything that disagreed with their ideology was simply written off as "establishment lies", I guess that should not suprise me much since those non bathing twats shared your socialist tendancies.


You are positively frothing at the mouth, Henry. You are a fanatic.

You returned to Stormfront no fewer than four times under different nicks. Sooner or later, with each persona, your hysteria ramped up to a point unacceptable in civilized discourse. You are doing it again now, on VNN, like a rabid coon unable to stop scratching at a cabin window.

This is not discussion, Henry. This is not debate. There is something wrong with you.

[Hadding]

Um no, I was arguing with 10 different poeple on SF and I got the names confused. If that little mistake is a big deal to you how can you possibly stomach all the BS white nationalist propaganda. Double standards that is how. You still have no proof that this document is a forgery. Why so much distraction Hadding? Don't you have some truth to enlighten us with?

If I am going to attack someone's character I am at least going to make sure that I am not confusing him with somebody else.

When I am arguing it is usually with a lot more than ten people, but it doesn't distract me because I focus on the facts. (HHE would like us to believe that arguing with ten people made him confuse David Irving with Ernst Zündel: I am not sure how that could have happened unless HHE knew next to nothing about what he was saying.)

When I see a White Nationalist making a factual error I say so. We have to keep our facts straight because any mistake that we make in an argument is likely to be amplified and used against us.

HenryHaysExecutioner on the other hand seems to feel safe in being utterly reckless. He decided from the outset that he was going to attack Revisionists when he should instead have had the modesty to admit to himself that his knowledge of them was superficial and confused.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

I said it was a baldfaced lie. And not only are you a liar, you are a venomous, obsessed little nobody consumed with hatred.

Listen to this:



You are positively frothing at the mouth, Henry. You are a fanatic.

You returned to Stormfront no fewer than four times under different nicks. Sooner or later, with each persona, your hysteria ramped up to a point unacceptable in civilized discourse. You are doing it again now, on VNN, like a rabid coon unable to stop scratching at a cabin window.

This is not discussion, Henry. This is not debate. There is something wrong with you.

Um I only "returned" after my posting ability under "descendant" was blocked since I was kicking your as in the debates. Yes then I stopped being polite to you fucks. If you go back and review your own postings on the holocaust both here and on SF you will see who is the rabid coon, your arguments are nothing more than one huge stinking pile of grandiouse verbage.

Anyway, have fun with your circle jerk, YOU STILL HAVE SHOWN NO PROOF THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS A FORGERY. Try starting your next post there, mmkay?

[Hadding]

Anyway, have fun with your circle jerk, YOU STILL HAVE SHOWN NO PROOF THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS A FORGERY. Try starting your next post there, mmkay?

I have shown that the so-called document is irrelevant because it refers to events that everyone agrees never occurred.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

I have shown that the so-called document is irrelevant because it refers to events that everyone agrees never occurred.

Irrelevant LOL. You wish. It is evidence of a plan to use homicidal gas chambers to kill Jews. Just because the plans were not carried out in the same place or by exactly the same methods described does not make the document irrelevant, no matter how much you wish that to be true.

[jack_boot]

After reading this entire arduous thread, I have only one question:
Why would a nigger be scratching at a cabin window? Was there a White woman inside the cabin, or what?

Heh, I can picture that scenario. But the one I saw was when I was out hunting, and we saw this raccoon running around an old cabin in a frenzy in broad daylight, always returning to this one window, scratching at it. He was mad with rabies, of course. After a while we realized we had to do the right thing. My partner was able to walk right up to him - which I thought was unadvisable because coons are quick - and dispatched him with a pistol.

Mentioned the incident later at the bar and the old hands said that was common behavior for rabid coons.

[cabinger]

A very entertaining and excellent thread. Keep it up gents. ;)

[Hadding]

Irrelevant LOL. You wish. It is evidence of a plan to use homicidal gas chambers to kill Jews. Just because the plans were not carried out in the same place or by exactly the same methods described does not make the document irrelevant, no matter how much you wish that to be true.

Nuremberg Document 365 is fiction, and it's the best so-called document that HenryHaysExecutioner can produce.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

Nuremberg Document 365 is fiction, and it's the best so-called document that HenryHaysExecutioner can produce.

Fiction because Hadding says so, yea right :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Still no proof? I didn't think so.

[HenryHaysExecutioner]

Yeah, HHE, can't you offer something else besides that one single document in question? Surely there must be tons of documents out there somewhere, because, after all, EVERBODY KNOWS that the Holohoax was official Nazi policy, right?

Yep as soon as Hadding admits that this one is genuine we will move on to some of the thousands of other documents. He will not admit this though, he will continue to pretend that he has shown that it is a fake, without ever presenting evidence of this. That is the denier game, it relies on playing the Jewish conspiracy/forgery card over and over and over without ever presenting evidence of this conspiracy.

[T.Garrett]

Greetz

Holy shit, who the fuck cares if Nazi Germany killed joos? The question today should be, how do we effectively finish the job started by NS Germany. Thing of it is, in the case of the Third Reich, Euros watched jooish led bolsheviks murder millions of other Euros in the Ukraine and Russia in the 1920's and 30's, German NS anti-jooism was a justifiable defensive reaction against a despised minority who never really fit in Germany or for that matter anywhere in Europe. The German government gave joos an ultimatum: leave Germany, and then later Europe as well, or be segregated, imprisoned and possibly die. Why do joos persist in living in Euro societies where they live constantly with this animus hanging over them, this weird people will never fit in with us, maybe itz true that they need Euros to live parasitically off of? If joos were all they claim to be, why can’t they devise their own great nation on their own and exist without Euros in Europe and America being sugar daddy to them, and why can’t they even rule a desert country the size of New Jersey without these tremendous problems even with the billions in American tax dollars and ‘reparations’ from Europeans who have been beat over the head for sixty years with the ‘guilt’ of the supposed dead joos of the holohoax? Fuck the joos, they are just a second rate people whose importance is inflated tremendously by their yellow dog press and media. How much simpler than that could it possibly be? Joos don’t belong in European countries, have never really been welcome anywhere, have always been a negative destabilizing element in those societies, and should get the fuck out of Europe and America soon or one day we will expel them again, and maybe this time permanently, for eternity. It has happened repeatedly historically, and will happen again tomorrow as sure as the sun rises. WTF is so deep about this simple problem that people don’t understand? This German pogrom called ‘holocaust’ is just one of many in the past, and many more to come … Cheers

T.Garrett

[jack_boot]

HenryHaysExecutioner is an obsessed lunatic. He has at least a half dozen accounts at Stormfront, and has taken to PMing every new member with a long-winded screed attacking White Nationalism in general and of course SF in particular.

Every single new member. There are hundreds every week, three thousand in the last month.

He must spend every minute of his day, when not sedated or being fed, generating PMs on that discussion board.

I can understand political opposition; I can understand dedication; but this behavior is crackpot in the first degree.

Get a life, Henry.

[Hadding]

Greetz

Holy shit, who the fuck cares if Nazi Germany killed joos?

T.Garrett

T. Garrett, if the subject doesn't interest you then I suggest you refrain from commenting on it.

[Hadding]

Yep as soon as Hadding admits that this one is genuine we will move on to some of the thousands of other documents. He will not admit this though, he will continue to pretend that he has shown that it is a fake, without ever presenting evidence of this. That is the denier game, it relies on playing the Jewish conspiracy/forgery card over and over and over without ever presenting evidence of this conspiracy.

God damn, HenryHaysExecutioner is a tiresome boor.

[jack_boot]

He's a nut. Christ, Henry, for your own good, take up woodworking.

No, on second thought, leave that to me. You should stay away from power tools and sharp objects.

But find some hobby where you can't hurt yourself. You're turning into a Net fly, Henry.

[T.Garrett]

T. Garrett, if the subject doesn't interest you then I suggest you refrain from commenting on it.


Dear Hadding

You are right, he he he, I really have no interest in this argument of ‘holocaust’ which is wielded as a slur against Germany and Germanic people in general by the joo. But I do have respect for your interesting intellect Hadding, so I defer to you and your comrades here in your demolition of the joo skum Henry, be he a real poster or a fictitious nym for you to make your argument against. Oh, by the waye, Happy New Year Hadding. Cheers bro

T.Garrett