Why WN Women Should Have Children

[AK*]

I made this post and one response to a female poster at SF before the thread was locked by johnjoytree, I will repost here and invite jjt to come over and debate, instead of dishing out abuse and then locking the thread.



Since joining SF I have noticed a lot of WN women saying they do not want children, wondering what the big deal with children is, saying they will have children later, the economy is going downhill and it is not a good time for children, and on and on. Ladies, I am a talented man, I have created a lot with my mind and/or hands, and many other Aryen men have done more than I, and some, much more. But none of we males can have children, it is up to you. Many of these ladies deciding against children have been quite young, in their late teens, but many have been well into their 30's and should know. But for those of you wondering what the big deal is with children is, here it is.

It took concentrated efforts by tens of thousands of couples to produce you. Think about that for a minute, what it actually took to create you. Tens of thousands of couples, stretching like a long chain back to the beginning of time, all struggling to survive in ages where life really was a struggle, surviving disease, war, famine, to ensure that their children would survive to adulthood and with the tools to survive and procreate. Every experience they had, everything they were, their entire existence culminates in you. All their choices, in mates, where to live, are reflected in your genetic code.

Often of 10 or 12 children, only 2 or 3 would survive, it was Nature's way and these were the strongest, but the parents of little ones who did not survive suffered a terrible aching sense of loss nonetheless. But they carried on, doing whatever was necessary to ensure that their remaining little ones would survive. Some would willingly face early terrible deaths so their children would survive and be somehow better than themselves. Some would never know the pleasure of even a simple home and hearth, living their entire existence as nomads following herd animals for food or evading raiders.

So we come to the present, thinking about the uncountable generations who were born, lived, and died, endured plague, famine, brutality, terror, and war, so you could walk the Earth. And now it is up to you, what will you do, you are the last link in the chain, will you let the chain fall into the Nietzschen abyss? Or will you continue your line onward and upward?

But I am mostly trying to provide an answer to the young White ladies that ask "what is the big deal about children". I think these ladies should be made aware of their uniqueness and their potential for gifts to posterity before deciding against children. And the power they have to determine the future face of mankind by their choices in childbearing and mates. Their schools, parents, peers, will not tell them they are useful and have a tremendous power. So I will.

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[Chain]

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...To quote "Jim Robinosn of Free Republic"
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=137527

[MsVinland]

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...To quote "Jim Robinosn of Free Republic"
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=137527Your link is no good.you do not have permission to access this page What am I missing? Another disappearing stormfront thread? What a surprise! ;)

Anyways, great post AK. :) Insightful, factual, and intelligent.

[AK*]

Your link is no good. What am I missing? Another disappearing stormfront thread? What a surprise! ;)

Anyways, great post AK. :) Insightful, factual, and intelligent.

Thank You very much.

[Scipio Americanus]

The sad thing is that JJT isn't man enough to come out from behind his moderating powers and debate his hairbrain opinions in public. Don't waste your time with him. I do my damnest to rankle the neoCONS over there. We need level headed people like AK on SF. Don't let the bastards chase you away.

[Screaming Peacock]

I really like the way your present your case, AK. Just as things tend to taste better when they are not forced down your throat, your words make a good case for having children. Repeating BREED! over and over will not convince any fence sitters to go ahead and have children, instead it may make them firmly anti-child, since no woman wants to be seen as simply a walking womb.

One of the best ways to encourage other Whites to want babies is to raise your own kids well. Do you remember what it was like before you had kids and saw a screaming brats in public places? It's pretty scary to think that is what parenthood is like.

Instead, be the firm parent with the well behaved child, you'll have many young Whites saying "I can do that!" :)

[AK*]

Well, I'm not one to dish out praise, but I give credit were credit is due, this was one of the best posts I have seen on this forum honestly. It would make a good sticky. How could a person call themself's a WN/racist Aryan and not want to have childen. The whole aim of the stuggle is to secure a future and exsistance for white people. And that also means making more white people to carry on the flame after we are gone.

Jewtree is no WN but a poser with too much time on his hands to lock a thread like that. Yuck! I hope he has a heart attack and expires may they bury his poser body in a sewage pit were he belongs. Amen

Thanks Doc :)

[AK*]

The sad thing is that JJT isn't man enough to come out from behind his moderating powers and debate his hairbrain opinions in public. Don't waste your time with him. I do my damnest to rankle the neoCONS over there. We need level headed people like AK on SF. Don't let the bastards chase you away.

Thanks Scipio, :) unfortunately it is not a level playing field, you cannot fight a mod. You should be able to, I have written Don Black, who claims he welcomes correspondence with the members, a few times about what I believe are incorrect moderating techniques, but he has never replied.

[AK*]

I really like the way your present your case, AK. Just as things tend to taste better when they are not forced down your throat, your words make a good case for having children. Repeating BREED! over and over will not convince any fence sitters to go ahead and have children, instead it may make them firmly anti-child, since no woman wants to be seen as simply a walking womb.

One of the best ways to encourage other Whites to want babies is to raise your own kids well. Do you remember what it was like before you had kids and saw a screaming brats in public places? It's pretty scary to think that is what parenthood is like.

Instead, be the firm parent with the well behaved child, you'll have many young Whites saying "I can do that!" :)

Thanks Screaming P, :) I tried to show that pregnancy is the supreme empowerment vehicle for ladies.

[VictoryGirl]

Any White Woman over the age of 18 without a White child is a failure.
IronWorker,
:o I will be embarrassed for you.



I am mostly trying to provide an answer to the young White ladies that ask "what is the big deal about children". I think these ladies should be made aware of their uniqueness and their potential for gifts to posterity before deciding against children. And the power they have to determine the future face of mankind by their choices in childbearing and mates. Their schools, parents, peers, will not tell them they are useful and have a tremendous power. So I will.
AK,

So, here I am, by request to give you my female perspective. It is needed. I thank you for your candid response to my previous criticism (and the above proves the point -that I wasn't joking about the insults). But I more clearly understand your desire to address a concern, and what that concern is.

Here's my take on it. You have pointed out that there are WN women out there that would avoid having children for economic and other reasons such as it "not being a good time for having children," on and on. Now, women who are brainwashed by Jewish Libralism, will use the economic strife symptom as a reason for claiming to have come to this conclusion. It is simply a part of this brainwashing. As far as it not being a good time for children, well more propaganda, the world is becoming "over populated." A fact yes, but there are factors (only the educated are aware of) that eliminate this basis as having any relevancy to a white woman. If a WN woman were to use this excuse, it would only vouch for the fact that she is simply misguided.

So what I'm saying is that if you want to reach these women, it is to bring them into full awareness, from there they will walk beside you in your thoughts instead of fighting against them. Do not discourage. This lack of desire to produce is not exclusive to women, I have found many white men that also feel this way and their ignorance only saddens me.

I would say that your last paragraph as cited above would have been a better topic for this thread. All women want to know that they are cherished and valued, no matter how brainwashed they might be. If you approach them with softness, they are more open to what you have to say.

[AK*]

IronWorker,
:o I will be embarrassed for you.




AK,

So, here I am, by request to give you my female perspective. It is needed. I thank you for your candid response to my previous criticism (and the above proves the point -that I wasn't joking about the insults). But I more clearly understand your desire to address a concern, and what that concern is.

Here's my take on it. You have pointed out that there are WN women out there that would avoid having children for economic and other reasons such as it "not being a good time for having children," on and on. Now, women who are brainwashed by Jewish Libralism, will use the economic strife symptom as a reason for claiming to have come to this conclusion. It is simply a part of this brainwashing. As far as it not being a good time for children, well more propaganda, the world is becoming "over populated." A fact yes, but there are factors (only the educated are aware of) that eliminate this basis as having any relevancy to a white woman. If a WN woman were to use this excuse, it would only vouch for the fact that she is simply misguided.

So what I'm saying is that if you want to reach these women, it is to bring them into full awareness, from there they will walk beside you in your thoughts instead of fighting against them. Do not discourage. This lack of desire to produce is not exclusive to women, I have found many white men that also feel this way and their ignorance only saddens me.

I would say that your last paragraph as cited above would have been a better topic for this thread. All women want to know that they are cherished and valued, no matter how brainwashed they might be. If you approach them with softness, they are more open to what you have to say.

Hi VG, thanks for the input and welcome to VNN :)

The last paragraph was my personal natural conclusion to the first few, but I guesss we grow speaking to people in person, where hand gestures, body language, voice inflectons, and the ability to immediately answer questions are part of the communication process. All that is missing on 'net forums, so we (myself included of course) need to be a bit more detailed and specific than if we were speaking in person.

Softness is good with the ladies of course, but it is more difficult for a male to be soft when speaking to an audience of both sexes, what a lady may perceive as softness can often be taken for weakness by other males. Ladies perhaps need to take this into account and understand that we are not always as "big and bad" as the image we often exude.

[AK*]

So, you think a bunch of 17 year old knockups is a good thing?

You want a bunch of loose sluts in the world?

What a f*****g tosser.


But you see VictoryGirl, you have allies, Modly just phrased his response a bit differently ;)

[Pixi]

Any White Woman over the age of 18 without a White child is a failure.Sure, nevermind the fact that not every woman is mature enough or responsible enough to be a mother at the age of 18.:rolleyes:

White women should have children when they're physically, emotionally, and mentally ready for them. This age is going to vary from woman to woman.

[Old White Goat]

White women should have children when they're physically, emotionally, and mentally ready for them. This age is going to vary from woman to woman.

Get off the pill, spread your legs and quit using your brain so much. Let the kid fit into your life, instead of the other way around. Oh and if you cant 'afford it', get on welfare, thats what its for, white people. Just because your on welfare does not mean you have to act poor, places like minnesota give out shit loads of money to single mothers for free.

White people want to be children themselves for sooo long these days, by the time they grow up, they find out they cant have kids without paying $35k for a fertility clinic.

[Old White Goat]

Oh wait you probably think that every woman should be like Murphy Brown and raise the kid alone. Turn off your televitz!!



Today that might be necessary.

The average white women are hell to get along with, from what I have observed in public.

Its not the mans fault alone that there are single mothers, its because the white women drive the men away.

It used to be the man wore the pants in the family, how many women do you see in dresses anymore?

[Hexe]

There is a way around the problem of not being able to "afford" having large families, but I doubt many young people here will like it or do it.

It is homesteading.

The man works a day job, and they save and save to buy some primitive, desolate old farmstead that needs a lot of work and may or may not have modern systems on it.

It needs a well, (maybe not even an electric pump), an outhouse or septic field, electricity optional, fields to raise crops or truck gardens, and space for animals, maybe a barn. Most heat with firewood they cut themselves.

These folks live like early pioneers, in many ways, and the workload is tremendous.

They homeschool, use no birth control, have homebirths, breastfeed, and have huge White families. They hang their wash on clotheslines, raise or grow almost all their own food, can and preserve what they don't eat immediately, sew and/or weave their clothes and quilts, and actually save enough money to have lots and lots of White babies.

Some have the luxury of an phone line and Internet connection, or use the one at the public library when they go into town.

Think this sounds like fiction?
They have a webboard...check out: http://www.oldfashionedfamilies.com/forums/index.php?

But be aware, they are not a racial board, and are very Fundie Xtian.
So be careful what you post there.
But a world of info is there for the learning, and a few very good examples for our young couples that want to walk the walk, instead of just talk the talk.

One doesn't have to take welfare, like a ghetto dweller, to have a large family.
But one DOES have to work for it.

[Bonnie P.]

Sure, nevermind the fact that not every woman is mature enough or responsible enough to be a mother at the age of 18.:rolleyes:

White women should have children when they're physically, emotionally, and mentally ready for them. This age is going to vary from woman to woman.

No woman is ever "ready" for motherhood until it happens. Women who wait until "they're physically, emotionally, and mentally ready for them" most often grow old and bitter either alone or with a meek, effeminate husband, turning to food and/or lots of cats (that she refers to as her "babies") for comfort. She will hate every woman slimmer or prettier than herself and seek men's approval by immersing herself in a professional sport that men enjoy, like hockey, basketball or NASCAR.

After realizing that time, youth & her fertility have slipped away while she was waiting to become physically, emotionally, and mentally ready for children, she decides that she doesn't really like children very much anyway. They're always getting into things and would probably want to play with her Playstation and Beanie Baby collection. So she consoles herself with more food and more cats and more sports collectibles from Ebay and plods on through life until finally she draws her last breath alone and forgotten, leaving nothing behind but hungry cats, empty potato chip bags, and a grave that no one will visit. I personally know many women like this.

There are plenty of teen mothers who have done well for their children. Having a baby at sixteen is not the end of the world. Sixteen or 26, a woman is only really ready to raise a child when she's doing it. A woman's fertility drops by something like 50% when she hits 30, and the chances of having a baby with a birth defect increases with age. :eek: Can't argue with nature!

[Pixi]

Get off the pill, spread your legs and quit using your brain so much. Let the kid fit into your life, instead of the other way around. Wow, did I just read that correctly? You're suggesting that I, Hilareth, reproduce? As off the wall and crazy as I am, you think there should be more of me? I'm not sure that that would be wise. Anyway, if I got off the pill and quit using my brain, then Modly wouldn't like me as much, and that wouldn't be any fun.

[Modly]

Anyway, if I got off the pill and quit using my brain, then Modly wouldn't like me as much, and that wouldn't be any fun.

Yup, the last thing I want is to be 19, and have kids. If not for my sake of not wanting a s****y life for myself, then for the sake of them growing up dirt poor, living in a one bedroom apartment. But, no woman in her right mind would want kids with me, because I'd end up on running out on her for the first new chick that caught my fancy.

<snip> most often grow old and bitter either alone or with a meek, effeminate husband, turning to food and/or lots of cats (that she refers to as her "babies") for comfort.


Oh, but she already does that, minus the husband.

[Pixi]

Then she is going to have to pick a responsible husband to help assist her. Well, sure, her husband should be a responsible one. However, it won't matter how responsible he is if she's immature and irresponsible, because, theoretically, she will still be the one spending the most amount of time with the children, as the husband will be working to provide for his family. He can't be there to make sure she's on the ball all the time.
Oh wait you probably think that every woman should be like Murphy Brown and raise the kid alone. Turn off your televitz!!Not a bloody chance in hell. White children deserve to have a stable home environment, and that involves having both a mother and a father.

[Pixi]

No woman is ever "ready" for motherhood until it happens. Women who wait until "they're physically, emotionally, and mentally ready for them" most often grow old and bitter I completely disagree. My mother didn't have children until she was good and ready, and she was ready by the time she was 24.
She will hate every woman slimmer or prettier than herself That describes plenty of women, both mothers and childless ones.

After realizing that time, youth & her fertility have slipped away while she was waiting to become physically, emotionally, and mentally ready for children, she decides that she doesn't really like children very much anyway.
It's quite possible that a woman would come to that conclusion because she's just not the type who is meant to be a mother. There are plenty of teen mothers who have done well for their children.
And for every teen mother who has done well for their children, there's plenty more who have done completely s****y, and their kids turn out to be degenerates and end up on drugs or in prison.

Having a baby at sixteen is not the end of the world.
That's your opinion, and I'm happy to let you have it.
[Edited by Demonica - Same reason as above]

[Old White Goat]

Yup, the last thing I want is to be 19, and have kids. If not for my sake of not wanting a s****y life for myself, then for the sake of them growing up dirt poor, living in a one bedroom apartment.

Oh boo hoo. Im just crying about the thought of it.

She IT, Im living a few miles from where mexicans are living one 26 year old female and 12 offspring to a 1 bedroom apt and their grinning ear to ear.

[AK*]

No woman is ever "ready" for motherhood until it happens. Women who wait until "they're physically, emotionally, and mentally ready for them" most often grow old and bitter either alone or with a meek, effeminate husband, turning to food and/or lots of cats (that she refers to as her "babies") for comfort. She will hate every woman slimmer or prettier than herself and seek men's approval by immersing herself in a professional sport that men enjoy, like hockey, basketball or NASCAR.

After realizing that time, youth & her fertility have slipped away while she was waiting to become physically, emotionally, and mentally ready for children, she decides that she doesn't really like children very much anyway. They're always getting into things and would probably want to play with her Playstation and Beanie Baby collection. So she consoles herself with more food and more cats and more sports collectibles from Ebay and plods on through life until finally she draws her last breath alone and forgotten, leaving nothing behind but hungry cats, empty potato chip bags, and a grave that no one will visit. I personally know many women like this.

There are plenty of teen mothers who have done well for their children. Having a baby at sixteen is not the end of the world. Sixteen or 26, a woman is only really ready to raise a child when she's doing it. A woman's fertility drops by something like 50% when she hits 30, and the chances of having a baby with a birth defect increases with age. :eek: Can't argue with nature!

Exc post, some depressing stuff though, unfortunate but true that some women live like that.

[Ossian]

Yup, I agree, there is a WHOLE LOTTA truth, and wisdom, in Raina's post.
About the only thing I can even partly disagree with is the beginning "No women..." ought better to read "Some women...." But it is true that many, maybe most, I don't know, fall into the not "ready until" as she described it. I certainly was a typically irresponsible man "not ready" to have a family until some time after being surprised with new information that "ready or not, here [B]it comes!" some 16 years ago. How I and my life have been so repeatedly blessed and so much improved since then is more than I would have once believed possible.

It would make for very interesting reading (and I think to most people, utterly astonishing) to find out just how many great men and women, geniuses, etc. have been born to very young (including teen-aged) mothers. I would bet a majority or at least a very large portion. (Not to discourage any older would-be moms, though--as, despite their increasing risks and decreasing fertility--I know first-hand that it is not impossible for them also to make exceptionally bright, healthy babies.)

On a related note: What are the two most crucial things a man can do for his children?
1. Make certain that they are well-sired.
2. Love their mother (and choose the best you can get.)

In what lies the best if not only chance of solving the most crucial problems of our existence?
"Produce good men. The rest follows." --(William Gailey Simpson)

[crazy celt]

I made this post and one response to a female poster at SF before the thread was locked by johnjoytree, I will repost here and invite jjt to come over and debate, instead of dishing out abuse and then locking the thread.



Since joining SF I have noticed a lot of WN women saying they do not want children, wondering what the big deal with children is, saying they will have children later, the economy is going downhill and it is not a good time for children, and on and on. Ladies, I am a talented man, I have created a lot with my mind and/or hands, and many other Aryen men have done more than I, and some, much more. But none of we males can have children, it is up to you. Many of these ladies deciding against children have been quite young, in their late teens, but many have been well into their 30's and should know. But for those of you wondering what the big deal is with children is, here it is.

It took concentrated efforts by tens of thousands of couples to produce you. Think about that for a minute, what it actually took to create you. Tens of thousands of couples, stretching like a long chain back to the beginning of time, all struggling to survive in ages where life really was a struggle, surviving disease, war, famine, to ensure that their children would survive to adulthood and with the tools to survive and procreate. Every experience they had, everything they were, their entire existence culminates in you. All their choices, in mates, where to live, are reflected in your genetic code.

Often of 10 or 12 children, only 2 or 3 would survive, it was Nature's way and these were the strongest, but the parents of little ones who did not survive suffered a terrible aching sense of loss nonetheless. But they carried on, doing whatever was necessary to ensure that their remaining little ones would survive. Some would willingly face early terrible deaths so their children would survive and be somehow better than themselves. Some would never know the pleasure of even a simple home and hearth, living their entire existence as nomads following herd animals for food or evading raiders.

So we come to the present, thinking about the uncountable generations who were born, lived, and died, endured plague, famine, brutality, terror, and war, so you could walk the Earth. And now it is up to you, what will you do, you are the last link in the chain, will you let the chain fall into the Nietzschen abyss? Or will you continue your line onward and upward?

But I am mostly trying to provide an answer to the young White ladies that ask "what is the big deal about children". I think these ladies should be made aware of their uniqueness and their potential for gifts to posterity before deciding against children. And the power they have to determine the future face of mankind by their choices in childbearing and mates. Their schools, parents, peers, will not tell them they are useful and have a tremendous power. So I will.

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I agree with you AK* we will only survive as a race if we all have as many children as we can. Your thread on SF was locked before i had a chance to post a reply to it, it seem's as if threads are now locked over there on a whim with no reason needed.

[Bonnie P.]

I completely disagree. My mother didn't have children until she was good and ready, and she was ready by the time she was 24.
Your mother has told you that she felt 100% ready for a baby before she had you? Even though she had never had one and had no idea what it entailed. Wow. That's pretty good. I'm 28 and have four children...and sometimes I think I'm still not "ready" for them! In fact, every time another one's coming my husband and I fret over the added expense, the late-night feedings, the missed nights out because babysitters for newborns are hard to find...the list goes on and on. We never really breathe easy until the new little one is here and we're up to our knees in dirty diapers! Even then, parenting is a road full of uncertainties and doubt, at 28 as well as 16.


It's quite possible that a woman would come to that conclusion because she's just not the type who is meant to be a mother.


Men are the only "types" not meant to be a mother! That's why we women have wombs and ovaries and breasts and all these other female parts.



And for every teen mother who has done well for their children, there's plenty more who have done completely s****y, and their kids turn out to be degenerates and end up on drugs or in prison.

I disagree. But I can see how one might get that impression if one were to watch Jerry Springer and Jenny Jones regularly.


That's your opinion, and I'm happy to let you have it.
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Thank you. That's very generous of you.

[2TonicNight]

Very important stuff.

I can't believe this would be locked on a "White Nationalist" forum.
Hmmm... yes it should always be in quotes when referring to StormFront.

As for Hilareth. While getting married and having kids does wonders for both sexes, it might cut into her prodigious posting efforts. Yes she will leave a record breaking number of posts after she dies.
Perhaps if there were a way for her to conceive and deliver the kid without logging off from her computer.

---- Well there I did it, an entire post without a single swear word.

[AK*]

Very important stuff.

I can't believe this would be locked on a "White Nationalist" forum.
Hmmm... yes it should always be in quotes when referring to StormFront.

As for Hilareth. While getting married and having kids does wonders for both sexes, it might cut into her prodigious posting efforts. Yes she will leave a record breaking number of posts after she dies.
Perhaps if there were a way for here to conceive and deliver the kid without logging off from her computer.
---- Well there I did it, an entire post without a single swear word.

Hmm, do I sense an idea for a thread topic in "General Discussion"? ;) Come on all, give Hillareth some position ideas for online concepcion :D

[johnny yuma]

Sadly the average white people have the same attitude as Bilareth and Moodly. It's all about me, me, me. Our race is definitely going to die.

[Pixi]

Men are the only "types" not meant to be a mother! That's why we women have wombs and ovaries and breasts and all these other female parts.What about those women who just can't stand kids? There are plenty of those out there, and IMHO, one should not have kids if they don't like them. The children would be able to sense their being unwanted, and that can't possibly lead to a healthy mentality for the child.

[Pixi]

As for Hilareth. While getting married and having kids does wonders for both sexes, it might cut into her prodigious posting efforts. Yes she will leave a record breaking number of posts after she dies.
Perhaps if there were a way for her to conceive and deliver the kid without logging off from her computer.Of course, silly. Invitro fertilization into a surrogate mother. I'm sure there would be some way I could still be online while my eggs were being extracted. After they've been extracted, no extra Hilareth required.

[Modly]

Sadly the average white people have the same attitude as Bilareth and Moodly. It's all about me, me, me. Our race is definitely going to die.

And I'm just happy everybody isn't like you, Or I'd have said the white race isn't worth it, and jumped infront of a train.

I see you as a fella who has a really hard time getting laid.

[Georgie]

Classic.

Modly just demonstrated that the only thing the female mind is ever concerned with is 'Who's getting, Who got some, and who is going to get some'.

This sort of mindset is incapable of rising above base sexuality to view the issues of vital importance to the White Race.

I agree. Lets not cary this too far folks. Its the CF and if you've got beef with one of these people make a thread about them in another section.

[Modly]

Classic.

Modly just demonstrated that the only thing the female mind is ever concerned with is 'Who's getting, Who got some, and who is going to get some'.

This sort of mindset is incapable of rising above base sexuality to view the issues of vital importance to the White Race.

Uh... I think you have me mistaken mate.
I have none of the female bits, and my male hardware doesn't work very well either. Your theory is kinda flawed.