BNP leader in Sweden

[Scotland88]

After a busy round of media interviews (including two ITV news slots and a late-night appearance on BBC Radio Five Live) late on Thursday night and early Friday morning, BNP Chairman Nick Griffin made a lightning visit to Sweden as guest of that country's National Democrats party (Nationaldemokraterna).

The main purpose of the visit was for the BNP leader to speak at an open air campaign meeting on Saturday morning in Södertälje, 20miles from the capital Stockholm, in order to secure extra publicity for the final stages of the ND's European election campaign, with voting taking place on the Sunday. This objective was achieved, and time was also set aside for productive top level discussions about future co-operation between radical nationalist electioning parties across Europe.


http://www.bnp.org.uk/images/newsarchive7/sweden2.jpg

The election campaign has not only given them a national profile, but has already generated around 10,000 enquiries - a huge number from a population made up of just seven million Swedes and one million immigrants. Travelling with Nick as guests of the National Democrats were his wife, Jackie, and two members of the BNP's security team.


http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/2004_june/news_june30.htm

[Librarian]

Why Sweden? Did someone tell him that they have money?

[heaven above]

No, old Nick always goes abroad when a serious election is on. Normally he swans off to the USA.

[Kurt]

Why Sweden? Did someone tell him that they have money?

:D

Great. Maybe he can convince them to take in more Indians and Jews. I mean, why should England keep them all to themselves?

[Mithras]

You armchair-activists and your anti-BNP messages are getting very tiring. This is exactly why you don't allow rejects in the movement. You are acting like little children. Go back to SF where you belong, where you can sit on your ass all day and whine about the smallest little things.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Well, little things aside, it's a pity the BNP don't know more about the ND, who are lead by a true psychopath who makes sure his "party" will always remain only a tiny sect. They have existed for three years now, which is probably longer than they will remain on the scene, and good riddance.

I hear the UK Independence Party is anti-immigration, which has made its founder, who is no longer a member, join the establishment in calling it a "racist" party. I hope they can grow stronger, then. With twelve of the 75 British seats (http://www.independenceuk.org.uk/) in the EU parliament they have gained that all-important credibility in the voters' eyes.

[Scotland88]

I hear the UK Independence Party is anti-immigration,

You hear wrong!!

They are simply an anti EU party, they have no policy against asylum seekers

[Fredrik Haerne]

You hear wrong!!


Do I? (http://www.vdare.com/misc/turner_euro_election.htm)

Yet another reason for the UKIP surge: it has finally adopted a robust policy on immigration. The UKIP manifesto says Britain is “bursting at the seams.” It goes on: “We cannot sustain this increase, which compares with a city the size of Cambridge coming into Britain every six months”. . One of the party’s candidates in the South East, Ashley Mote, has written an excellent book on immigration, called Overcrowded Britain, and his influence is clearly felt in this new-found policy.

But, significantly, immigration reform carried in the teeth of some ferocious opposition from within the party. Roger Knapman said recently on this subject: “There’s a climate laid down by a Hampstead liberal establishment which has been accepted as the norm, and any view other than this is somehow a bit quirky or rightwing or extremist” (Nicholas Watt, Guardian, 2 June 2004). This view is still extant within his own party, even at senior levels.
. . .
The reality is that that the BNP, and also UKIP, exist because the major parties have failed to address the genuine concerns of many thousands of people up and down the country—about immigration and also about the abolition of their political expression, the British nation-state.

I'm sorry, but I know of the habit among nationalist parties to claim that their rivals in the same country are not nationalist, but anti-nationalist. The splinter group the National Democrats says the same thing about the Swedish Democrats in Sweden, and since I know all SD members are motivated by a desire to throw out the immigrants and destroy the EU, but merely choose to soften their language in comparison with the ND, I suspect the same scenario is true on the British scene.

[Mithras]

Well, little things aside, it's a pity the BNP don't know more about the ND, who are lead by a true psychopath who makes sure his "party" will always remain only a tiny sect. They have existed for three years now, which is probably longer than they will remain on the scene, and good riddance..

I don't know much about the ND, but what makes a "true psychopath"?

Are the SD any better?

I hear the UK Independence Party is anti-immigration, which has made its founder, who is no longer a member, join the establishment in calling it a "racist" party. I hope they can grow stronger, then. With twelve of the 75 British seats (http://www.independenceuk.org.uk/) in the EU parliament they have gained that all-important credibility in the voters' eyes

THE UKIP are ultra-capitalists, so you probably would like them. Though I wouldn't call them anti-immigrant. None of their members, whether voted in or not, have achieved anything, but as dead-weight. That's why the media are promoting them, because they're not a threat to the establishment.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Seriously, I'm not using the word psychopath lightly here. The guy's name is Tor Paulsson, and although his wife's father is the official party leader, Paulsson is recognized by all as the real strongman as his father-in-law is easily pushed around. He lies without blinking: he has expressed admiration for the Left's Big Lie technique and said nationalists should do the same, which he does all the time, particularly about the SD and about the own party's strength. And if people don't show up to meetings and demonstrations he calls them and yells at them; he is even better at yelling at people in person. He is also good at flattering people, but eventually they can tell he is only doing that in order to use them.

So people come and go in the party, and it never grows much; Tor Paulsson always claimed they would grow stronger than the SD, the party they undermined before being thrown out, in a matter of a few years, but people seem to understand now that won't be happening. The only ones who stay in the party for a longer time are those who still admire Tor Paulsson like fanatics; the ND is nothing more than the Tor Paulsson Fan Club. So mainly it's a club for young men with a taste for beer and brawl.

The SD is approximately seven times larger in terms of membership and votes, and has a presence almost everywhere except in the northernmost parts of Sweden; the ND is strong in Stockholm but has little presence in the rest of the country. Neither the SD nor the ND name the Jew. The SD was founded in 1988, and it took more than a decade for it to stabilize, as nationalists are an individualistic bunch. Its language is softer than that of the ND, and it has dropped some of its more hardcore stances such as advocating the death penalty, wanting to throw out all asylum seekers come to Sweden after 1970, and making it illegal to adopt non-European babies; this caused the skinheads and such to claim the party was betraying its roots, and so they left. The ND, however, also softens its language to some degree, so basically it's just a matter of degrees.

In short, the SD is the party a middle-aged couple with children would be comfortable joining, whereas the ND is the party a skinhead would be comfortable joining. When the ND says "Throw out the scum and the traitors!" the SD says "We need to make repatriation of refugees possible."

[Fredrik Haerne]

Tor Paulsson used to be a door-to-door salesman of vacuum cleaners; nowadays he doesn't look for a new job, but just lives off his wife and the party. He was the head of one of the phalanges in the Swedish Democrats; his crowd was strongest in Stockholm, and had about one third of the seats in the SD's board of directors. In conflicts with the phalange centered in the south of the country they would usually win over most of the unaffiliated directors, but they still did not have their own majority, so they set out to undermine the board and create a "party within the party."

They made plans to spread rumors about board members in order to blacken their names, and carefully planned who should start what rumor and when. They would also harrass board members in various ways; for example, they arranged it so that a woman would send letters in a desperate tone to one board member in order the "destabilize" him.

All this they carefully wrote down in protocols from their secret meetings, but the other board members got hold of those protocols -- written in Tor Paulsson's handwriting, so it was an open and shut case. Also, to their astonishment the other board members found out the ND bunch had registered a new party name (the National Democrats) as a plan B option, in case they wouldn't be able to take control of the SD.

The SD called for an extra meeting with the general assembly, which usually only gathers once a year to elect the board of directors and so on. It was clear the ND crowd would lose the votes and be expelled, since they were in the minority, perhaps one third of the assembly. However, they wanted to fill the room with their followers, in order to intimidate the assembly, and so the SD board of directors decided that only assembly members would be allowed to be present. The ND followers then tried to force their way in by force, but eventually failed. Then they were expelled.

The ND harrassed one board member in particular after that, even going so far as to stalk him for a time, but I won't go into that in detail. Anyway, the ND vowed to crush the SD and take its place, which has been the main focus of its activities ever since.

This last election is an interesting case. In Swedish elections you take a slip of paper with your party's name on it, place it in an envelope and put it in the ballot box. You can also get a slip at a post office and send it in ahead of election day. ND members have stolen a great deal of SD slips from post offices, and been caught doing it in at least one case. True to form the party leadership then wrote on its homepage that it is the SD that has stolen ND slips from the post offices.

The ND also sent out internal emails encouraging members to contact the internet company Passagen, which provides free space for homepages, and urge them to close down local SD websites, calling them "racist" and "for commercial use". This they succeeded in, but some members sent the internal email to SD members. (In some places, local SD and ND members are still friendly with each other. Often these are people who used to work side by side before the ND leaders were expelled in 2001.)

On election day ND members went on a campaign in Stockholm, stealing SD slips from the election offices all over town; perhaps 50 percent of the election offices were reached. Naturally communists were out on the same campaign, but where these strike they steal both ND and SD slips, so it is easy to tell when it is a communist or an ND member who has been there.

No doubt the ND's earlier lie about SD members stealing their slips from post offices was a way to anger its own members, preparing them for the theft campaign on election day. And then, unbelievably, Tor Paulsson writes on their homepage that it is the SD that has gone on a theft campaign against the ND! This is the Big Lie technique that Paulsson is so fond of.

However, all SD and ND activists with any connection to the affected areas know the truth, which is how I know of it. And not all ND activists are happy to be part of such illegal activities; but on the other hand, they have been so conditioned to hate the SD that it is a difficult step for them to switch sides, although some have started to do so; a former member of the board of directors in the ND, for one.

Since the ND are so few (even though Paulsson et all write on their homepage that it is the SD that has almost no activists) they have a hard time placing slips in all the election offices, and so need to explain to their sympathizers why there are no slips available. To claim that they are big enough to accomplish the task, but that the SD has then stolen the slips, is a convenient excuse.


As for the election result, the Swedish Democrats got 1.13 percent of the votes, an increase from the EU election of 1998 when they got 0.3 percent. It would probably have been more had not many voters instead opted to place their votes with the newly formed June List, a gathering of EU critics who have been prominent members of both left and right parties, and who received enormous media coverage before the election and so gathered 14.48 percent of the votes. The ND got 0.29 percent.

The SD got 1.4 percent of the votes in the last Riksdag election, and so now has more than one percent of the votes in both the Riksdag and EU elections; this is good, since if you get more than one percent of the votes you get your money back for the cost of producing slips, and for the next two elections the election offices have to make the slips available to the voters, and make sure there are slips available throughout the day. Naturally, this means a lot to a small party, and combined with its growing membership cadre this makes it entirely possible that the SD enters the Riksdag in 2006, giving the people nationalist representation once again.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Seriously, I'm not using the word psychopath lightly here. The guy's name is Tor Paulsson, and although his wife's father is the official party leader, Paulsson is recognized by all as the real strongman as his father-in-law is easily pushed around. He lies without blinking: he has expressed admiration for the Left's Big Lie technique and said nationalists should do the same, which he does all the time, particularly about the SD and about the own party's strength. And if people don't show up to meetings and demonstrations he calls them and yells at them; he is even better at yelling at people in person. He is also good at flattering people, but eventually they can tell he is only doing that in order to use them.........."

wait a fucking second-- this guy sounds like bill clinton. in the US he would be a very successful politician! Lying is an art dammit! In the US that is why all politicians come from the profession of the paid liar, lawyers!

[Mithras]

If what you say is true then it is another classic divide and conquer disaster that is tearing apart the nationalists. In one way this is good insofar as the internal party is considered, that the emotionally unstable members are cleared away. But in the sense of the voters all this does is wreak havok. In preventing this from occurring, Nationalists should to be more regional. They should be happy just working on taking over their own small region and having power as a regional director, rather than become greedy and seek to run the whole national party.

[Mithras]

The ND claim on their site that

The National Democrats are not a political party only but also harbors the ambition of being a movement of general education. Many of today's problems are rooted in the fact that people are being obstructed from acquiring important knowledge, examples being how a healthy and wholesome life may be lived, or why society is what it is.
We would revive Swedish traditions and absorb the wisdom of generations past, the better to see what insight it could impart to us in our modern society. Knowledge is the key to freedom, since knowledge imparts the will to act. The goal of the National Democrats is to lend a political face to the nationalist movement in Sweden. The nationalist movement, with all its shapers of public opinion and associations of interest has ramifications throughout all parts of society.

And further

The National Democrats endeavor to further their own political program but do not maintain the objective of offering competition to other nationalist groups. Neither is it our objective to mainstream nationalist ideology.
On the contrary, we would work for an exchange of knowledge and experience, as well as offer a forum for discussion that may expand our horizons and create an accord between different nationalist groups.

However, the SD claim that

We are nationalist democrats and dissociate ourselves from all forms of totalitarianism and racism. Our party have declared that we consider the UN universal declaration on human rights as fundamental for our politics.

And also,

We nationalists are all in the same boat, and should accordingly support one another as much as possible.

Not exactly. The UN is the enemy of European Nationalism. I don't support any "UN declaration" and surely not make such a fundamental of my politics. What a stupid thing to write. I wonder if they actually believe this?

[Fredrik Haerne]

Yes, it is true.

You judge a nationalist party by its website? That has to be the most flawed way ever of getting to know a party. :)

Bruno Mégret broke with Le-Pen and formed his own party, in another of those endless splits that are tearing nationalists apart. It followed the exact same pattern: after some time of brawling and writing boastful declarations, a party decides that it needs to act more mature and soften its words in order to get votes from the lemmings. Someone in the party, who wants to rule on his own, accuses this of being treason to the Ideals and forms his own party, which of course is destined to enjoy an inevitable victory some day because its Thoughts are so Pure.

After that, both Le-Pen and Mégret have brought the other to court accusing him of making "racist" remarks.

Incidentally, psychopath Tor Paulsson has told his own activists on at least one occasion to "not talk to those people, they are racists!" in public, pointing at SD members. He also shouted to the SDers that "I will crush you!" on the same day. Any wonder why mature people leave the ND after some time?

So when a nationalist party says it isn't racist, you should know better than to place any weight to it. The laws in Sweden ban "racism" in a number of ways, and to claim the party isn't "racist" is a way to get around that. Besides, the anti-White definition of racism, that a racist is a demon from hell who hates everybody, doesn't fit any of us, does it?

Now, the UN declaration: there was a nutty pro-Semite in the SD, who was expelled last December. On the annual assembly meeting nine months earlier he put forward a motion that the SD should declare itself "loyal to the UN declaration of human rights." What SD members said then was that this was a hell of a stupid motion, for now if they voted no the media could use it against them, saying "The SD rejects the human rights declaration!" So enough people decided that they had to vote yes. But in practical terms it meant nothing, as the party politics remain just the same. Probably on some assembly meeting in the future someone will come up with an eloquent enough way of stating why the Declaration stuff should be stripped from the party program, and so it will be gone.


But of course, to most nationalists watching a country's politics from afar, it is just much more pure and feels much better to side with the party that proclaims the most uncompromising, radical, violent and undemocratic views, since that's what is the most cool. Hell, I'm radical and undemocratic too. Maybe I should support the National Socialist Front in Sweden, and pray for them to fulfill their Destiny and establish a dictatorship. They only have about fifty permanent members, but why should I let reality stand in the way of my dreams?

By this rule I should be an enemy of the Confederation too. After all, they were democrats, and they didn't have any anti-Semitic policies. Good that those compromising weaklings were destroyed, so a true WN party can take their place.

Still waiting for that true WN party to take over the South ... any day now....

[Mithras]

First of all, don't put words in my mouth. I don't play that game.

The SD describing their own party still display how pro-UN they are. Anything that legitimizes the UN which is anti-Europe in so many ways is foolishly promoting the wrong ideas. Why even support any "UN declaration" then when clearly the UN is the enemyy of nationalism? Since when is the UN pro-human rights? They want to rob people of their property, their right to free speech, freedom of association, and right to tradition. All nationalist parties must expose the UN for what it is. Supporting it is surrendering not "maturing."

After the UN voted to not recognize genocide of whites in zimbabwe they should be the last ones to be associated with human rights. How dare any nationalist support, much less make "fundamental" anything the UN says or does?

[Fredrik Haerne]

First of all, don't put words in my mouth. I don't play that game.

Okay, sure.

Now you're getting all carried away about that UN stuff. I already described the story behind that, and from that you should be able to tell it was no big deal. Does it have any practical meaning whatsoever? No. Now, declarations about the EU, that has more practical meaning behind it. And the SD opposes the EU just like all sensible nationalists. And they also oppose the UN-romanticism so common in the West. But it's not like demanding a withdrawal from the UN is the most important thing Sweden needs right now: heck, Putin and Hussein have never withdrawn from the UN either.

Highly dangerous if we would allow tactical rhetoric to make us denounce a party as a traitor and join the True Faith Splinter Party of the Week. There were splinter parties in the nineties as well, didn't last long any of them. This one has perhaps four hundred members and a psychotic leader who makes sure all normal people leaves the party, so instead of accountants you have skinheads and instead of competence you have street fights.... Way to make Swedish retired folks and couples with children vote for you. A party that treats their votes with contempt just because they aren't muscle-bound youths is a party that needs to go.

No, I suggest, as always, a two-pronged approach. A country should have one party or other organization that tells the truth about the Jews -- which of course will make them small as a peanut, but no matter. Then the country should have one party that is anti-immigrant but does not name the Jew, and which therefore can grow to throw out the darklings and protect free speech. That is good for the Jew-naming party as well; as a comparison, it is a hell of a lot easier for a communist party to gain followers in a socialist country like Sweden than in a conservative one.

What we have now in Sweden is the NSF filling the role of being the small organization that carries on the truth about the Jew, and the SD that fills the role of making Swedes think in nationalist terms again and protecting free speech. That's all a softer nationalist party needs to do, everything else is optional. The UN or not, hell, doesn't matter. Right-wing or left-wing economics, hell, doesn't matter. The SD is socialist in its economic policies, and still I hope the party will grow, because I know how to compromise. The only thing that is important right now is to throw out the dark races.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Okay, sure.

Now you're getting all carried away about that UN stuff. I already described the story behind that, and from that you should be able to tell it was no big deal. Does it have any practical meaning whatsoever? No. Now, declarations about the EU, that has more practical meaning behind it. And the SD opposes the EU just like all sensible nationalists. And they also oppose the UN-romanticism so common in the West. But it's not like demanding a withdrawal from the UN is the most important thing Sweden needs right now: heck, Putin and Hussein have never withdrawn from the UN either.

Highly dangerous if we would allow tactical rhetoric to make us denounce a party as a traitor and join the True Faith Splinter Party of the Week. There were splinter parties in the nineties as well, didn't last long any of them. This one has perhaps four hundred members and a psychotic leader who makes sure all normal people leaves the party, so instead of accountants you have skinheads and instead of competence you have street fights.... Way to make Swedish retired folks and couples with children vote for you. A party that treats their votes with contempt just because they aren't muscle-bound youths is a party that needs to go.

No, I suggest, as always, a two-pronged approach. A country should have one party or other organization that tells the truth about the Jews -- which of course will make them small as a peanut, but no matter. Then the country should have one party that is anti-immigrant but does not name the Jew, and which therefore can grow to throw out the darklings and protect free speech. That is good for the Jew-naming party as well; as a comparison, it is a hell of a lot easier for a communist party to gain followers in a socialist country like Sweden than in a conservative one.

What we have now in Sweden is the NSF filling the role of being the small organization that carries on the truth about the Jew, and the SD that fills the role of making Swedes think in nationalist terms again and protecting free speech. That's all a softer nationalist party needs to do, everything else is optional. The UN or not, hell, doesn't matter. Right-wing or left-wing economics, hell, doesn't matter. The SD is socialist in its economic policies, and still I hope the party will grow, because I know how to compromise. The only thing that is important right now is to throw out the dark races.

I am taking two paragraphs from this excellent post and starting a new thread at politics. fred obviously gets electoral strategy and 90% of the scribblers in the socalled movement do not. my old threads on this topic went nowhere but we'll see if a few months has made any difference.

[Mithras]

You are freaking out. If the SD are so great then why do you have to write pages on why I should support them, just because I criticized their bit about the UN??? So little confidence in your party. If only you and the SD were saying the RIGHT things.

[Fredrik Haerne]

You are freaking out. If the SD are so great then why do you have to write pages on why I should support them, just because I criticized their bit about the UN???

Eh? *L* That sounds funny. You are really trying to tell me that because I write a few sentences (no, not pages, sorry) about something, that makes the thing suspect? Yeah, right. Then given the quantity of posts about White Nationalism in this forum, shouldn't White Nationalism in itself be suspect?

Heck, every cause on the face of the earth should be suspect by that logic!

No, you'll have to do better than that. "My" party? What makes you think it's mine, anyway?

I am guessing here, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing you have some emotional investment in this. Probably you have met some ND members, or you have at least chatted with them online, and that makes it difficult for you to listen to criticism about the party.

Emotional investment I say, because you sure don't bring up any facts here, and don't address the things I have brought up either.

If only you and the SD were saying the RIGHT things.

Yes, that's the attitude of the true armchair warrior: "We must never hide our beliefs!" Right?

Well guess what, the ND doesn't name the Jew either. So obviously they agree with me that you can't tell the voters everything you believe. Now are you going to attack the ND for that, or was your complaint about gradualism just a convenient way to get at me?

[Mithras]

Well, you started ranting on about some way off topic crap, evidence that you "lost it."

You call people "psycho" without proof to back that up, when you are not put together all that well.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Well, you started ranting on about some way off topic crap, evidence that you "lost it."

You call people "psycho" without proof to back that up, when you are not put together all that well.

Oh, please.... I gave you an answer to the only little thing you had to hook your attack on the SD on, the stuff about the UN which was your off-topic nonsense, and since you don't know how to reply to my explanation you are just whining now.
And yes, I call him a psychopath and I gave you several examples of why I think he is. You want an explanation you say, but I've already given it -- but it seems like you're ignoring it, so you can keep your comfortable pre-determined opinions.

"Ranting." Give me a break. When you don't have any reply to the things your opponent brings up you can't just start saying "you're ranting" or "you're not put together that well." If you don't have anything to back your claims, then learn to not speak. Right now you're trying to give an opinion on Swedish politics without having any information about it whatsoever, except a few paragraphs from the party websites. And you're arguing with a native, who actually is intimately familiar with Swedish politics. Think about that for a moment: it's like you'd start arguing with an engineer about how to build a jet engine. :)

And I ask again, and maybe you'll give me an answer this time: what contact do you have, if any, with Swedish parties? Talked to someone on the internet? Met someone irl? Surely there must be some reason for why you think you know the ND is better than the SD? You're not just flipping a coin, are you? And don't give me the stuff about the UN again -- if that's the only thing you've got, then I'm really disappointed.

[Intrepid]

Fredrik,

Are the SD the Swedish party that the bands, e.g., Ultima Thule & Hel, support? That's a unique concept to me, as an American, due to the fact that we have nothing that quite resembles the correlation between music and political parties. At least not of any size or value. Certainly nothing on the scale of, say, Italy, Sweden, Spain et al. Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain the phenomenon further?

Also, I've heard that upwards of 35% of Swedish youth listen to "patriotic" music. Is this a viable figure? Is so, that in itself is astonishing to me. It's as if you're cultivating a built-in constituency for future political action. I imagine the Swedish media/establishment has been hostile to this, but then again, I'm just speculating. Do tell.

[Fredrik Haerne]

I don't know what they support, if anything: in the early nineties I know members of Ultima Thule voted both for the socialists and for the anti-immigration New Democracy, which is now basically non-existant. They said so in an interview then. I don't think they have gone out and officially endorsed any party. Hel, their discs are sold by a publishing house that I know quite well and that doesn't endorse any particular party, but there are former SD members in the upper echelons there, and they have had some sporadic ties with different nationalists, from different parties and organizations, not discriminating in who they help publish material.

Hard to say to what percent Swedes listen to viking rock as we call it, but it was very popular in the nineties, popular indeed, and although you don't see as much of it now it's not going away, it's a phenomenon that is here to stay.

35 percent? That would be a reasonable number for the mid-nineties or so, at least for the male side of the population, but today I'm not sure. As for preparation for political action, it has been around for a decade and a half, so what action it inspires should have come already or it's a failed preparation. And indeed, I know for sure that it inspired many who joined the Swedish Democrats in the nineties: music is important, as we all know. Songs about the viking era and the asa gods, and about Carl XII's struggle to defend Sweden from the attacks of Denmark-Norway, Poland-Saxony and Russia at the same time in 1700, and songs about Gustaf II Adolf who won the Thirty Years' War for the northern Germans, and songs about our present time -- this made us connect with our roots, a profound effect indeed.

Typical piece of lyric: "Our future has come and again we must go/ To protect Swedish borders from alien foe/ Once again I stand firm with weapon in hand/ To defend my own soil, to defend my own land"
(Röde orm, Red Serpent)

Or:

"Gods wrathful against giants stand/ Viking marching, proud with sword in hand/ Giant army, dark as night/ Bidding gods to final fight/ Ragnarök, in death forever free! Ragnarök, bring Thule to me!"
(Ultima Thule)

Or:

"Now he sailed away, across desolate seas/ He travelled like a haunting wind/ But for warriors onboard, he made laws and rules/ Listen to his viking creed"
(Ultima Thule)

See? Not always an encouragement to fight: many songs are just about old viking tales. Many upbeat and positive, like:

"Runes have been carved in foreign land/ Over deeds of mine, large and small/ But to win for marriage Karin's hand/ Was the hardest of them all!"
(Völunds smed, Völund's Blacksmith)

And of course:

"King Carl, the young hero/ He stood in smoke and dust/ Drew his sword from his belt/ And entered the fray/ A beardless god of thunder/ Calmly, he stood against Europa/ 'How Swedish steel bites, come let us find out/ Out of our way Moscowites/ Stand bold, my lads in blue!'"
(Ultima Thule)


Ah, Carl XII . . . starting out as a teenager when his father died, he spent his life in the saddle fighting invasions without ever being the first to start a war. He really saved us. British newspapers held him in awe, as his army the Carolins defeated forces many times its own size. And then he was killed by a bullet when overlooking a battle . . . but what a fitting end for the beardless warrior king, who would always fight side by side with his men, and share their meals and quarters. And what a fitting man to dedicate songs to.

I will post here two songs I have translated, to illustrate what kind of music we listen to. It is not at all like the hard rock of American White Power music -- no, with viking rock you can actually hear the lyrics. :)

The first song is by Ultima Thule, who I have met and who are very nice guys, and the second is by "Svensk ungdom," Swedish Youth, a band sold through the aforementioned publishing house.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Ultima Thule. . . .

The Beast

Hear the cry of the Beast, from the west to the east
Piercing marrow, sinew and bone
Preparing to steal from your hands every meal
Hungring for blood on its throne

Long enough have we slaved for our Beast
Enough is enough today
Long enough have we slaved for our Beast
Enough is enough today

What fathers gave, from cradle to grave
Feed the Beast, never ask for your share
It is ancient and knows, its fire and claws
Tear apart the land in your care

Long enough have we slaved for our Beast
Enough is enough today
Long enough have we slaved for our Beast
New time is coming

Ice in its soul, it devours you whole
Ashes and death where it’s been
Let borders of steel bring the Beast to heel
Protecting our birthright within

Long enough have we slaved for our Beast
Enough is enough today
Long enough have we slaved for our Beast
New time is coming!

[Fredrik Haerne]

Svensk ungdom. . . .

Questions to Father


Do you recall what I never have seen?
Do you imagine what still could have been?
Our people was happy, united as one
But you let it fall, and our dreams came undone

When you once grew up, tell me, what was it like?
Were strangers out looking for women to strike?

Did you walk down the street and listen to tunes
Not from our hills, but from sand-ridden dunes?
Did you ever return to your home all alone
After strangers had beaten you, cut to the bone?

Tell me dad, what was it like to be free?
You staunchly denied what a blind could have seen!
Do you know you were wrong? Did you know all along?
And do you admit where your heart should belong?

For all of your virtues you never found out
What others among you were really about
What you knew as beauty they labeled a curse
Set out to destroy and prepared for much worse

They name all resistance a hateful display
While gangs on the streets are out stalking their prey

And I know they must thank you, and laugh in your face
And smile at a man who must live in disgrace
But you should have known, should have opened your eyes
Shed all your fears and revealed their disguise

Tell me dad, what was it like to be free?
You staunchly denied what a blind could have seen!
Do you know you were wrong? Did you know all along?
And do you admit where your heart should belong?

A new generation of men without pride
Is all that you left when you saved your own hide
Opposing you forces you don't understand
Who wrecked all our dreams and ravaged our land

In this situation we stand all alone
From all of your failures we have to move on!

And I ask you, my father, if you will deny
That we have to fight for what you left to die
And I ask you, my father, if you will accept
Your duty, with whatever pride you have kept?

Now we have to face what you gave us undone
Begin to rebuild, our work has begun!
Will you stand with us now? As you know you must do?
Will you help us to fight for our future anew?

Tell me dad, what was it like to be free?
You staunchly denied what a blind could have seen!
Do you know you were wrong? Did you know all along?
And do you admit where your heart should belong?

Tell me dad, what was it like to be free?
You staunchly denied what a blind could have seen!
Do you know you were wrong? Did you know all along?
And do you admit where your heart should belong?

[Nordblod]

It would appear that Fredrik is quite the little virtuoso when it comes to translations - and I don't like it one bit, no sir, that I don't. Verily, he must destroyed, lest he remain a thorn in my side for the duration of my stay here.

[Mithras]

Oh, please.... I gave you an answer to the only little thing you had to hook your attack on the SD on,

Of course I never "attacked" the SD; you're too stupid or too psycho to realize that.

the stuff about the UN which was your off-topic nonsense, and since you don't know how to reply to my explanation

Making the UN's "human rights" declaration your party's fundamental principle is not off-topic nonsense. Your phoney explanation blamed "the jews" of course, and yet, their proud display of how UN-friendly the SD are is still up on their website. So what am I to think? You're a lying psycho and the party is weak.

[Nordblod]

I'm more inclined to believe that the SD is a lying party and Fredrik a weak psycho.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Of course I never "attacked" the SD; you're too stupid or too psycho to realize that.

Attacked, criticized, simply a matter of different choice of words. So I'm "psycho" now? Right.

Making the UN's "human rights" declaration your party's fundamental principle is not off-topic nonsense.

Aha, is that what you think it is? The party's "fundamental principle"? Then your reaction become a bit more understandable. But it's not a "fundamental principle" in any way, just a statement made at an annual assembly that the party would "support the UN declaration of human rights." It had no practical impact on the party program, which remained just the same as before. The SD's "fundamental principle" is its principle program, in lack of a better translation. And for the second time, it's not "my" party.

I "blamed the Jews"? Show me where. Did you mean when I said the statement about the UN was proposed by a pro-Semite? But that's true, it's no secret. And there was a preparation to expel that guy last December for causing endless quarrels, and so he left as soon he heard that instead of waiting for the expulsion.

"You're a lying psycho and the party is weak." Sure. Kid, stop being so aggressive. You avoid questions continuously here, so let's make it simple:


1. In one post I wrote six sentences about the UN stuff, and when you still didn't understand I wrote eight more sentences. Then you said I was "ranting" and writing "pages" about the matter. Does six and eight sentences constitute "ranting" and "pages"?

2. You say I presented no arguments for my judgment of TP's character. But I wrote that my judgment was based on his spreading of false information, his treason as a member of the SD, and his fits of rage which makes disillusioned members leave the ND, often quit politics entirely. Does that constitute no arguments?

3. You say the SD is bad for softening its words, taking a gradualist approach. But neither the ND nor the SD name the Jew, and both soften their language, only to different degrees. Why do you criticize only the SD for being gradualist, but not the ND?

4. Do you have any sources of information about these parties at all? You're from a foreign country, so the question is not unwarranted. If I joined the debate about whether the BNP are good or bad, the first question to me should be what I know about it, if anything. So do you have any info on these parties, except that you have read some bits from what material they have translated into English on their websites?


And calm down and stick to the facts instead of resorting to name-calling. Otherwise we may as well let the matter drop, don't you think? You're probably a nice kid, but you seem to have a tendency to jump to conclusions without much arguments to base them on.

[Mithras]

Once again everything you write is a total lie. I'm now convinced that you are a compulsive liar and a psychopath. I don't believe anything you say about the ND, for that reason. Nor will I respond to any more of your posts (read lies). I have no time for these childish games.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Once again everything you write is a total lie. I'm now convinced that you are a compulsive liar and a psychopath.

*LOL* Okay, now I get it, you're just joking. Right? :)

Because otherwise this would be the first time, even on an internet forum, that I have seen someone hold a position in a debate without presenting any arguments for it whatsoever. And if you weren't joking you would have told us what sources, if any, you have of Swedish nationalism, and even answered my questions above. Okay then, but make it a little clearer that you're joking in the future.

[Nordblod]

Haven't you figured it out yet, Fredrik? This is the great Tor Paulsson himself you are speaking to here.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Haven't you figured it out yet, Fredrik? This is the great Tor Paulsson himself you are speaking to here.

Ah, that must be it. *S*

Well, hello there TP, long time no see. My ears have stopped ringing now, so keep the tone conversational this time, okay? All I ask for, itz.

[Nordblod]

Now don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against the ND as such, but it is true that mr Paulsson can be a mite irritating. I remember one of the shindigs that was held by the party; he stood behind a table for cash donations and insisted on eyeballing people. Good way to eventually get into more trouble than you can handle.

[Intrepid]

I don't know what they support, if anything: in the early nineties I know members of Ultima Thule voted both for the socialists and for the anti-immigration New Democracy, which is now basically non-existant. They said so in an interview then. I don't think they have gone out and officially endorsed any party. Hel, their discs are sold by a publishing house that I know quite well and that doesn't endorse any particular party, but there are former SD members in the upper echelons there, and they have had some sporadic ties with different nationalists, from different parties and organizations, not discriminating in who they help publish material.

Hard to say to what percent Swedes listen to viking rock as we call it, but it was very popular in the nineties, popular indeed, and although you don't see as much of it now it's not going away, it's a phenomenon that is here to stay.

35 percent? That would be a reasonable number for the mid-nineties or so, at least for the male side of the population, but today I'm not sure. As for preparation for political action.


I will post here two songs I have translated, to illustrate what kind of music we listen to. It is not at all like the hard rock of American White Power music -- no, with viking rock you can actually hear the lyrics. :)

The first song is by Ultima Thule, who I have met and who are very nice guys, and the second is by "Svensk ungdom," Swedish Youth, a band sold through the aforementioned publishing house.

Thanks for the reply. I'm rather familiar with the music, as I have the entire discography of both bands amongest others like: Steelcapped Strength, Enharjarna, Pluton Svea, Frostfodd et al. I'd carried on a lenghty conversation with the gal at Midgard, where I'd purchased a portion of them from. I particularly enjoyed the first Pro Patria album. Very polished, "catchy" stuff, indeed. So as you might gather, I share your sentiments regarding quality. My grandpa was Swedish, so perhaps I'm a bit biased. ;) What do Svensk ungdom sound like? I've never heard of them.

I was simply wondering about their political stances, 'tis all. U.T.voting socialist, eh? Oh yes, you'd made no mention of my query regarding the establishment reaction to the popularity of the music. Did they simply ignore it, did they vilify it, or did they attempt to purchase the production companies involved?


As you'd made inference to earlier in this thread, there appears to be such a leftist theme, at least economically, in many of the Nationalist parties in Europe. Certainly, this is vastly different than most most Paleo and/or WN in the States; why do you believe this to be the case, at least in general terms? Just curious on your read on it.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Hey, a Swedish grandpa! Nice to hear.

Never heard the music of Steelcapped Strength or Enhärjarna I must admit. There are so many bands.

Svensk ungdom sound "polished" too; that is, focus on the lyrics and not on the base. You can listen to some soundbits here (http://www.nordiskaforlaget.se/mp3/)

Frågor till far -- Questions to Father
Sverige har fallit -- Sweden has Fallen
Till minne av Daniel Wredström -- In Memory of Daniel Wredström
Daniels sista natt -- Daniel's Last Night

Then some German and English stuff, and then Fyrdung's songs:

Demokrati -- Democracy
Folk i gevär -- People at Arms (actually, "People in Rifle")
Revolt -- Revolt


Yes, the social democratic party is the largest in Sweden, and has kept the country's politics in a nearly unbroken grip for many, many decades. This I attribute to their control of the state-run schools and universities, and a television and radio monopoly that was abolished only at the beginning of the nineties. In other words, they had an almost complete control of the information flow. Workers will vote for them most of the time, even if they disagree with their politics -- even if they grumble for four years after the last election, they cast their votes on the socs the next time as well, because it is the only "real" party to them, the basis of all security and comfort. It's the same all over the West of course, people being tied to one party all their lives.

In our times, with the witch hunts against nationalists, almost the only ones who will dare support it will be workers, who have the least to lose. And so, since they come to nationalism from the socialist party, nationalism will have a socialist color. Basically the socialist part of the message is this: "Our welfare system is destroyed by the large influx of immigrants abusing it."

The nationalist parties know that it is among these voters they can count on the biggest support, so if they are smart their message will be red. (Even though the party leaderships tend to be mixed both left and right, and in fact sometimes have a majority of right-wingers, who nevertheless accept socialist economics, knowing that they can't get everything they wish for)

A strategy somewhat similar to the one used by the old NSDAP, now that I think of it. David Irving describes in his books about Goebbels how he won over "Red Berlin": at a speech he would give the listeners a good dose of socialism, and then tell them how they could have this socialism only with nationalism there to protect it.

Yes, the establishment has attacked viking rock from day one. Symbols are banned from many, if not most, schools -- nazist symbols are simply illegal, but viking symbols are supposedly legal, but not in schools. A few stories I remember from the news: teenagers having their UT tapes confiscated, teenagers being sent home because they were wearing Doc Martens, teenagers not allowed to wear the Mjölner hammer, one or more teenagers not allowed to wear Ultima Thule t-shirts in school. And of course newspapers and other media were filled with stories about the "hateful" music during the nineties, although you could still hear Ultima Thule on the radio every now and then, when people called in to radio shows where you could wish for a song.

No attempted takeovers of the production companies; these were always nationalists who would never sell.

[Nordblod]

Ah, the good old days! I remember in junior high, when we were on cafeteria duty, we always gave everyone a dose of ye olde racist music. Sure, there was some muttering (the principal called us "fascist-minded", or something to that pride-inducing effect), but the issue was never fully addressed. I guess we had the lucky combination of an already "intolerant" small town, and the propaganda machine not yet having achieved the necessary paranoid momentum, to thank for that.

[Intrepid]

Hey, a Swedish grandpa! Nice to hear.

Yes, in fact, my father would never even mention his mother decended from those obnoxious Scots dear old Queen Mary sent packing to Ulster. :p

Never heard the music of Steelcapped Strength or Enhärjarna I must admit. There are so many bands.
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Well, they are one in the same... kind of. S.C.S. is the same singer as in Enharjarna. However, in the former he sings in English. The latter is actually better, imo. Here's a link to an interview. http://www.vikingarock.se/intervjuer/enharjarna.htm (http://)
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Svensk ungdom sound "polished" too; that is, focus on the lyrics and not on the base. You can listen to some soundbits here (http://www.nordiskaforlaget.se/mp3/)

Frågor till far -- Questions to Father
Sverige har fallit -- Sweden has Fallen
Till minne av Daniel Wredström -- In Memory of Daniel Wredström
Daniels sista natt -- Daniel's Last Night

Then some German and English stuff, and then Fyrdung's songs:

Demokrati -- Democracy
Folk i gevär -- People at Arms (actually, "People in Rifle")
Revolt -- Revolt

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Thanks, I'll check them out.

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Yes, the social democratic party is the largest in Sweden, and has kept the country's politics in a nearly unbroken grip for many, many decades. This I attribute to their control of the state-run schools and universities, and a television and radio monopoly that was abolished only at the beginning of the nineties. In other words, they had an almost complete control of the information flow. Workers will vote for them most of the time, even if they disagree with their politics -- even if they grumble for four years after the last election, they cast their votes on the socs the next time as well, because it is the only "real" party to them, the basis of all security and comfort. It's the same all over the West of course, people being tied to one party all their lives.

In our times, with the witch hunts against nationalists, almost the only ones who will dare support it will be workers, who have the least to lose. And so, since they come to nationalism from the socialist party, nationalism will have a socialist color. Basically the socialist part of the message is this: "Our welfare system is destroyed by the large influx of immigrants abusing it."

The nationalist parties know that it is among the voters they can count with the biggest support, so if they are smart their message will be red. (Even though the party leaderships tend to be mixed both left and right, and in fact sometimes have a majority of right-wingers, who nevertheless accept socialist economics, knowing that they can't get everything they wish for)
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That's certainly a different political composition than I'm accustomed to. During all three of Pat's campaigns, I'd say 90-95% of the people I came into contact with were middle to lower-middle class folks. Nary a "worker" in sight, primarily small business owners. In essence, salt-of-the-earth angry Whites with a populist streak.
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A strategy somewhat similar to the one used by the old NSDAP, now that I think of it. David Irving describes in his books about Goebbels how he won over "Red Berlin": at a speech he would give the listeners a good dose of socialism, and then tell them how they could have this socialism only with nationalism there to protect it.
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I'd recently read a book about Austria that dealt with the very same subject in detail. It's amazing how the coalition was built, albeit with the NSDAP already in power there. I'm referring more to the popular consensus in the Ostmark. Speaking of Irving, I had the pleasure of speaking in great length when he came to town last year. As it turned out, I was, for all intents and purposes, the only one in attendance at his speech here. Bad for him, good for me, as I got to pick his brain on a myriad of subjects for some 4-1/2 hours. He recommended a book to me regarding the economic system in place during the 3rd Reich. I believe the authors name was Greenwood or something akin to that. He'd joked that in some 270 pages the author did what would have taken him 1,200 or so. Such a lucid and pleasant gentleman. Damn shame what those bastards have put him through.
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Yes, the establishment has attacked viking rock from day one. Symbols are banned from many, if not most, schools -- nazist symbols are simply illegal, but viking symbols are supposedly legal, but not in schools. A few stories I remember from the news: teenagers having their UT tapes confiscated, teenagers being sent home because they were wearing Doc Martens, teenagers not allowed to wear the Mjölner hammer, one or more teenagers not allowed to wear Ultima Thule t-shirts in school. And of course newspapers and other media were filled with stories about the "hateful" music during the nineties, although you could still hear Ultima Thule on the radio every now and then, when people called in to radio shows where you could wish for a song.



No attempted takeovers of the production companies; these were always nationalists who would never sell.
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I'd figured as much. Sounds rather like the Rebel flag here. Never heard of a ban on boots, though. Sorry for the odd division in my reply, for I don't know how to how to divide them up.

[Mithras]

Because otherwise this would be the first time, even on an internet forum, that I have seen someone hold a position in a debate without presenting any arguments for it whatsoever. And if you weren't joking you would have told us what sources

Those were their own words, you bloody moron! You are incredibly irritating. You lie more times in such a short space than even the jew himself! Perhaps it's in the blood.

[Nordblod]

Oh yes, compulsive liars and prevaricators, the whole lot of us.

[heaven above]

Here ! Did BNP leader Nick Griffin come back from Sweden ?

Because he has gone again......well, he has gone somewhere :confused:

Perhaps he has gone to Sitzerland, they have loads of banks there :D

[heaven above]

Sitzerland with a 'w' :(

[Scotland88]

Here ! Did BNP leader Nick Griffin come back from Sweden ?

Because he has gone again......well, he has gone somewhere :confused:

Perhaps he has gone to Sitzerland, they have loads of banks there :D

WELL YOU DID VOTE GRIFFIN IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[heaven above]

And now I want to vote him out again :D

We can't have these whippersnappers walking over the BNP party constitution on race :eek:

No blacks, jews or turks in the BNP ! Just right !

[Mithras]

And now I want to vote him out again :D

We can't have these whippersnappers walking over the BNP party constitution on race :eek:

No blacks, jews or turks in the BNP ! Just right !

You'd have more luck telling it to the BNP you dumb fucking moron. It does no good writing it over on every thread on VNN, in case your peabrain hasn't noticed. Racialists today are the dumbest fucking morons around!

[heaven above]

Who is this wanker mithras ?

[Fredrik Haerne]

Those were their own words, you bloody moron!

Their own words, that it was the "founding principle" of the party? Hardly. Because the party was founded in 1988, whereas that statement was made at a meeting last year, and isn't even in the party program or principle program last time I checked, which was on the internet two minutes ago.

Hmm, got anything else? Besides, didn't you say you wouldn't reply to any more posts of mine? Changed your mind? And I would still be interested to hear if you have any more sources about Swedish nationalism than the small amount of propaganda and information posted in English at those two parties' websites -- you have avoided that question thus far.

(Party websites -- exceptionally uninteresting sources of information. Read the BNP and WNP websites and you'll be confused, since it seems both parties will take over Britain tomorrow after tea. Who to believe? Maybe BBC can help out with that one. :D )

[Fredrik Haerne]

From the interview with Enhärjarna at vikingarock.se:

What is patriotism to you?
Here I was lifted, on my father's arm, Here I was rocked, safe in mother's care, Here I wore out my first pair of shoes, Here I have my sister and my brother . . . . thanks Janne!

Hehe, yes, I like that Ultima Thule song, one of the best viking rock ballads. It continues with a reference to the Swedish national anthem, with increasing intensity: Here I want to live, here I want to die, here I live my life in freedom!

That's a part you're supposed to stand around in a circle on Midsummer listening to, shouting it out loud with your buddies and raising the beer cans high in the air. :)

[Scotland88]

You'd have more luck telling it to the BNP you dumb fucking moron. It does no good writing it over on every thread on VNN, in case your peabrain hasn't noticed. Racialists today are the dumbest fucking morons around!

Well said!!

If you think he is dumb wait till you hear from WNP brighton :p

[heaven above]

Well your hardly a fuckin genius are you Scotland 88 ?

[Mithras]

Their own words, that it was the "founding principle" of the party? Hardly. Because the party was founded in 1988, whereas that statement was made at a meeting last year, and isn't even in the party program or principle program last time I checked, which was on the internet two minutes ago.


You stupid niggerbrained reject, why are you lying again? They wrote FUNDAMENTAL principle not "founding" principle. What I wrote was a cut and paste directly from their english-page website. I didn't realize that your world would come crashing down, but that is that. Maybe you can act a little less like a pansy?

[Fredrik Haerne]

Blah, blah, blah.... You are holding on for dear life to the single sentence you have that gives you a glimpse of something in Sweden. That's admirable: many kids today have much shorter attention spans, whereas yours seems to have developed into an obsession that won't let go once you have your focus on something you hope to be able to use. Seriously, who do you think you're kidding?

But I must say, fantastic what an expert you are on Swedish politics, Mithras my homie, without even a shred of knowledge about the country! But don't you worry, we know that deep inside that untrained, immature facade there's a cuddly little teddybear, trying to get out. :)


Or, maybe I am not giving you enough credit. Maybe you're a veritable professor on Swedish nationalism, as your aggression when questioned would suggest. I'll give you a chance to prove your superior knowledge in the matter. Help the audience out with the following questions:

Should Swedish nationalists advocate the taxes be lower or higher or remain the same, and on what grounds?
What should the nationalist atittude be toward the government monopoly on universities, hospitals, pharmacies and liquor stores?
Have Swedish nationalists emphasized the OECD enough?
In what way do Swedish nationalists tie back to thoughts that appeared within Socialdemokraterna and the right-wing Moderaterna in the early 20th century?

What areas in Stockholm are the best for recruitment? Which of the Riksdag parties are the best for recruitment?
What are the differences in attitude toward nationalism in Skåne and Norrland, and what are the historical reasons for this?
Which town should be the easiest for recruitment, Malmö or Visby?

And now, to the parties and organizations:

Should the members of Nordiska rikspartiet join Nationalsocialistisk front, and are their policies compatible? Which of the two carry on hardcore nationalism the best?
What happened to Hembygdspartiet and Konservativa partiet?
Why were Riksfronten and Nationella alliansen dissolved, and who carry on their message today?
Is there a difference between Nationell ungdom and Svenska motståndsrörelsen? Which of the two is the most successful? Where are they concentrated geographically?


I am eagerly awaiting your reply, oh Guru of Swedish Nationalism! :D

[Mithras]

You get even more pathetic and babyish by the day.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Hush, little cub. If you can't answer my questions, then it's clear to all you don't know squat about Swedish nationalism, and so you are merely a poseur in this matter. So why write more nonsense and confirm the suspicion, hmm? Besides, what happened to your swearing you would never reply to anything I wrote again?

Now, listen to Papa Bear instead, I will show you something. This just in:

Dagens Nyheter (http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1042&a=282193&previousRenderType=6):

Leading National Democrat Suspended

The National Democrats have suspended their own top candidate in the EU election. Tor Paulsson was arrested on Saturday night suspected of having threatened and beaten his co-habiting girlfriend. Together they were poster names in the party's campaign against violence against women in the last Riksdag election.

Tor Paulsson is the step-son of National Democrat party leader Anders Steen. He has a central role as the party organizer and is considered to be the leader of the party behind the stage. He works full-time for the party and campaigned all over the country in the campaign for the EU election.

This Monday he was suspended from all party duties.

--If the information that has been brought forward is true we expect him to resign his party membership voluntarily, says Anders Steen.

Last Saturday night Tor Paulsson and his girlfriend held a party together with several other active National Democrats in the girlfriend's house in Gagnef, Dalarna. According to the statements given to the police he started beating his girlfriend before the gathered party comrades. Police were called to the scene and Tor Paulsson was apprehended, suspected of aggravated battery. Several witnesses were heard yesterday. The district attorney is expected to make a decision on criminal charges this Tuesday.
[. . .]


Now, to be fair this is not the first time someone embarrasses Swedish nationalists, but it is by far the most serious blow to the ND during its short history (2001-). Like the article says Tor Paulsson is the "party organizer," and all agree he is the de facto party leader. He could scarcely have hurt the party more: how it must pain the membership cadre, especially since the ND evolved into basically a personality cult around TP. But given his long record of aggressive behavior it was only a matter of time when he would be standing before a court of law (again).

Beating his girlfriend! Before witnesses! She is also a party member.

It remains to be seen whether Anders Steen can keep the party going now; he probably can, but it will no doubt come to look different, and I wouldn't be surprised if they would lose many of their most active members, who loved TP's authoritarian style. (In fact, many of the top names have already left the party, and some have returned to the SD. They were told by TP and AS it would be an easy thing to take over SD members and voters, but as time went on they became disillusioned.)

Also, the organizer of the ND Youth, Marc Abramsson, is facing jailtime for beating up a faggot at a "Pride" Festival last year. Without him I can think of only one man who could boost party morale at this time (not the party leader); we shall see whether he will step up or not.

[Nordblod]

I still can't believe that about Marc. He's such an obvious nerd.

[Fredrik Haerne]

True, reminds you of a MUFer; I don't believe it either. The ND claim there's a video that shows he didn't do anything, but it is also said the video is so grainy you really can't see much.

A politically motivated conviction, no doubt.

[Mithras]

Hush, little cub. If you can't answer my questions,

Little cub? Are you a faggot?

Your questions had nothing to do with the SD writing about how they made the UN human rights declaration a fundamental part of their party. Or are you still denying they wrote this? Blaming it on the jews?

[Fredrik Haerne]

Stop trying, cub scout, you don't know anything about our country, except perhaps that it's full of people with a higher IQ than yours. :)

On the other hand, you could prove me wrong by replying to the very easy questions I asked you about Swedish nationalism. Ooor, prove your worth by admitting you're a tiresome poseur who would do best to listen to your betters when it comes to Swedish politics (and much else, one would suspect). The choice is yours.

And hey, didn't you say you wouldn't be writing to me anymore, since I'm such a meanie? Didya forget that, or are you just too fond of company to stay away?

[Mithras]

Why should Swedish nationalism be any different than British or German nationalism? You think they should live by different standards because they are Swedes? :rolleyes: Of course, you're a capitalist pig, the enemy of nationalism. Why should anyone have to prove themselves to you?

BTW, let's see the injury report on TP's girlfriend.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Damn, little communist cub, for someone who doesn't know anything about Sweden you sure blabber a lot. I wonder why? Daddy doesn't give you enough attention? Or maybe he doesn't smack you around enough when you let your mouth run. :)

And hey, I ask again: what about your oath never to speak to me again, me being mean by asking you questions and all? Oops, couldn't stand the lack of attention, could you?

If you want to pretend you know something about Swedish nationalism, go ahead and answer the simple questions about Swedish organizations I stated above. I dare ya, sweetie!

Oh, but then again ... you can't, can you? All you can do is show off your ignorance and waste perfectly good thread space. So sad, so sad.... Have to wonder though what you're getting out of it. You're pretty good at embarrassing yourself. Tsk, tsk, that's not the way for daddy's proud little soldier to behave!


BTW, let's see the injury report on TP's girlfriend.

"Bwaah, bwaah, my hero can't be guilty of anything bad! He can't be! He -- he shook hands with Nick Griffin!"

That's a new low, little boy: you shit all over a good nationalist woman who has been abused not once but many times before too, as the investigation shows, just to win a discussion. How do you know the psychopathic criminal Tor Paulsson is a better nationalist than this woman? Do you pretend to know better than the National Democrat member who called the police, and the National Democrats at the party who told the police of the crime they had seen? Do you pretend to know better than party leader Anders Steen, who wants Tor Paulsson to get out of the party now, so it can become a more normal organization for the good of the country? Little boy ... what an embarrassment you are.

[Nordblod]

daddy's proud little soldier


Ok, Fredrik, now you're starting to sound a bit gross.

[Kind Lampshade Maker]

Ok, Fredrik, now you're starting to sound a bit gross.
Starting? Isn't "gross" understating?

[Kind Lampshade Maker]

Little cub? Are you a faggot?

.......Blaming it on the jews?

He didn’t learn American in school, so he probably thinks that you are asking him if he’s a cigarette. So as not to confuse him into thinking he’s the object getting smoked instead of the object smoking, you might simply have to ask it if it is homosexual

[heaven above]

Nick Griffin was asking politely "Have you got any money ? "

If not, I will piss off.

[Mithras]

Damn, little communist cub, for someone who doesn't know anything about Sweden you sure blabber a lot. I wonder why? Daddy doesn't give you enough attention? Or maybe he doesn't smack you around enough when you let your mouth run. :)

And hey, I ask again: what about your oath never to speak to me again, me being mean by asking you questions and all? Oops, couldn't stand the lack of attention, could you?

If you want to pretend you know something about Swedish nationalism, go ahead and answer the simple questions about Swedish organizations I stated above. I dare ya, sweetie!

Oh, but then again ... you can't, can you? All you can do is show off your ignorance and waste perfectly good thread space. So sad, so sad.... Have to wonder though what you're getting out of it. You're pretty good at embarrassing yourself. Tsk, tsk, that's not the way for daddy's proud little soldier to behave!




"Bwaah, bwaah, my hero can't be guilty of anything bad! He can't be! He -- he shook hands with Nick Griffin!"

That's a new low, little boy: you shit all over a good nationalist woman who has been abused not once but many times before too, as the investigation shows, just to win a discussion. How do you know the psychopathic criminal Tor Paulsson is a better nationalist than this woman? Do you pretend to know better than the National Democrat member who called the police, and the National Democrats at the party who told the police of the crime they had seen? Do you pretend to know better than party leader Anders Steen, who wants Tor Paulsson to get out of the party now, so it can become a more normal organization for the good of the country? Little boy ... what an embarrassment you are.

But there you go again...putting all these words in my mouth....could it be that you have one very overactive peabrain? Weren't folks with mental illnesses put to sleep in Hitler's Germany?

[Fredrik Haerne]

So, Mithras, maybe you will then tell us what you think: do you agree with the ND leadership that TP should be excluded from the party for beating his girlfriend severely, which will probably send him to jail this time? Or are you perhaps incapable of thinking ill of someone Nick Griffin has shaken hands with? Let me assure you, he probably shook hands with ND party leader Anders Steen too; I hope that doesn't create some sort of inner conflict for you.

Patience, my little cub, you are not a normal yet. You must learn to control the power called intelligence, that which binds all normals together. For this, you must undergo a series of trials, each more difficult than the last, which we refer to as the ordeal of "learning."

First, you must learn your limitations. You don't know anything about Swedish politics. You don't know anything about Swedish nationalists. You don't even know what Nationell ungdom is. True or false? Prove me wrong by telling us Nationell ungdom's brief history.
You don't even know what Nordiska rikspartiet is. True or false? Prove me wrong by telling us what that party is, and in what ways it is different from Nationalsocialistisk front.
Yea, you don't even know what Nationella motståndsrörelsen is. Shame on you, little cub, for pretending you are old enough to play with the big boys. Back to the sandbox with you, mommy will be mighty angry if you walk out of sight for too long. :)

[Mithras]

Go back to worshipping yourself in the mirror, psycho.

[Fredrik Haerne]

That's cute. You claim you can decide strategy for Swedish nationalists, but when you are called on it, you backpedal. Courage, little cub: either prove yourself or admit your ignorance.

I ask once more: do you agree with the ND leadership that Tor Paulsson should be excluded from the party for beating his girlfriend in her face with his fists, a crime that will finally send him to jail?

And have you heard of any of the organizations and parties that I mention above, a must for anyone who wants to understand nationalist politics in Sweden?

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

mithas just got done calling me a "peabrain" too and "pathetic" and "slave." he says I make him "angry." he said I am a "spiritual Jew"

mithras has been having a hard time recently as his "anger management group session" has been postponed due to summer vacation. In a "double whammy" the men in white coats accidentally shorted his lithium. Still, he's been helping a lot in the laundry and so he's accumulated enough "credits" to get some time on the internet.

here mithras picks a fight with another vnner who hasnt been around for a while. thanks for making this nice kid feel welcome mithras. keep up the good work and vnnforum will be even more reknowned for its hospitality than it already is:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=4781

[Kind Lampshade Maker]

Why should Swedish nationalism be any different than British or German nationalism? You think they should live by different standards because they are Swedes? ....
I pointed out this trait several months ago, but you are the 1st to confront this issue seriously

[Nordblod]

Yes, he is a right serious lad, is Mithras.

[heaven above]

Yes, he is a right serious lad, is Mithras.
Eeeh by gum and no mistake !

Hey your right Nordblod. More power to your elbow !

[Mithras]

Just doing some quality control.

[Mithras]

That's cute. You claim you can decide strategy for Swedish nationalists, but when you are called on it, you backpedal.

I know that no real nationalist should praise their enemies, namely, the UN. Anyone giving credence to their enemy is my enemy. If you want to talk about courage you might as well start there. But what the hell would you know about courage? You're just a toe the party line yes-man, looking under every rock for some negative or critical comment about the SD to defend against with your nonsense and your lies.

[Fredrik Haerne]

Ah, that's cute, Mittie. Now for the third time, the SD is not "my" party. Let's see if you'll remember it now, hm?

Must be hard for you to try to play with the big boys when you have only one sliver of information to work with. You're pretty good at chewing and chewing again, though. Something mommy tought you? She should have taught you to move on too, once you've gotten an answer. Ah, but you have nothing to move on to, have you? This is the only thing you've got. Without you'd have to leave the subject and be silent, and one thing you can't do is keep silent, am I right? ;)


Now I ask again:

1: Do you approve of the ND leadership's decision to throw out the criminal Tor Paulsson from the party? Yes or no?

I know it must be hard for you to even consider, since you have committed yourself to defending that psycho merely in order to "win" the discussion, but give it a try. What do you say, for or against the ND decision?

And since your main number here is to play the purist and oppose gradualism:

2. Do you approve of the ND's gradualist decision to not name the Jew, and to strongly favor democracy? Their party name, as you can tell, is the National Democrats. Do you support their gradualism, yes or no?


Go ahead, try to think, young cub. It won't hurt you! Might in fact be good for ya. And btw, what happened to your decision to not reply to a meanie such as myself ever again?