Euro 2008

[MASTY]

Not many football threads here, how come like? I've got a few quid on Holland to win it. After today though, Spain look damned good. If I was French, I would dis-own that so-called national team.

[T. Kadijevic]

Traditionally I root for my home country; Yugoslavia (any of them).

[Karl Lueger]

Netherlands and Spain look the most likely to win it so far;
would be cool to see Russia do well, never understood why they fail at major Football tourneys but continually produce some of the best athletes in the world in every sport.
I rather enjoyed watching Dutch destroy the Franc-frica niggers today,:)
and while Holland has a few groids of its own, its nothing as disgusting as France. [some nigger twats complained about Holland Team over "racial issues", as in real Dutch may not really want that subhuman shit in a
National team jersey...:D]
Its funny that since Zidane retired the niggers have no one to do the thinking for them and just run around aimlessly, like in life so on the pitch.T.N.B.
Favorite Euro moment so far:
White player Wesley Sneijder scores a brilliant goal to kill of the groids:D and after the game brings his cute White baby
on the field, something symbolic there of White cleaning the niggers
out of Europe.

that French coach looks like a kike..
" Once again, tens of thousands of boisterous Dutch fans filled the cobblestone streets of the capital and its stadium, the Wankdorf.
France coach Raymond Domenech, who resembles a cross between a young Woody Allen and Jerry Lewis in "The Nutty Professor," gave up even before the match on having a majority of the supporters.:rolleyes:
"We can expect an Orange tide in the stands," he said. "I am not going to tilt against windmills here."

[alex]

It is a real improvement for Holland. I remember years ago when the national team of Holland looked something like today's France.

It was a great gratification to me to see the african team (France) get "vandalized" by Holland. Hopefully France won't make it any further in the tournament. I kind of feel sorry for the two/three white french players who were by far the best french players.

Anyway some self-criticism of Germany's national team. Although one of the whitest in this tournament :

http://www.dfb.de/uploads/pics/ateam08_gr.jpg

it does have two non-white players. However both are so miserable that i'm seriously believing that they are on the team for propaganda reasons. Anyway they don't have much playtime.

Far more serious is the fact that not one of Germany's offensive players is fully German, meaning both parents are Germans. The rest of the team are full Germans though and some of the best players in the world imho.

[Karl Lueger]

I enjoyed seeing Italia dispose of the Fran-fuckin' niggers:D,
what an absurd team and-the coach looks quite the kike, who excluded
White-French players several of whom are clearly better
than the niggs he threw in.T.J.B.
Of-course this Italian win will never approach the propaganda of
a few years ago, when Brazil won the World Cup or France winning it,
then the kike-media mad it it point to emphasize the "mixed race" team winning, explaining Zidanes Algerian roots etc..focusing specifically on
mixed-race Brazil beating the White Italian team in '94[pks not open play],
now when a White team wins, which actually is more often than not :D,
the failures of the niggers are not mentioned or just as quickly excused by any means possible. T.J.B.

[Derrick Beukeboom]

Yes, with the exception of Niggerfied France, seems as if the rest of the teams were pretty much White Aryans..save a few nig-nog mystery meat types on the Holland team and of course the greasy Turk scumbags.

I kind of was pulling for Czech Rep..what a let down.
Germany has a useless unskilled player named Odunkor. Kuranyi is a mixed breed. More arabic looking then German.
Italy is 100% White but atrocious tactics and womanly crying. One reason why football has not caught on too much in 'Kwa.
Should be a badge of honor to play through pain. So who's left?

Germany will (hopefully) dispatch the pesky Turks. Russia is the big surprise. I would like to see Russia-Germany.
Spain will probably beat Russia due to more skill, we'll see.

What is the expectation for riots and mayhem in Germany for this match due to all the immigrant Turks living there?
Someone in Germany fill us in.

[Zander]

I put £100 on Spain at the start of the tournament and despite the best efforts of the Italians to strangle any kind of free flowing football, I am still in with a chance of collecting a handy little sum of money. Hope my fingernails grow back in time for the semi-final though:D

[MASTY]

What kinda odd's did ye get for that tidy bet, Zander?

[Karl Lueger]

While football is a wonderful sport it is obviously used as tool of jew-media in promoting mixed race -society and an acceptance of the re-defined version of what a NAtional team means, from-the true concept of an all WHite German or italian team to a jew-promoted monstrosity
like the niggers in French jerseys.
Heres a self-loathing journalist from Germnay [maybekike?]
who makes an attempt to "glamorize" mixed-race team and dance
the jew-tune of "promoting multiculturalism"..
btw, notice he equates WHite ethnic-variation as being the same as niggers or turks on a European team..:mad:

By Uli Hesse-Lichtenberger
The other day I met somebody whose girlfriend is Polish, and he said that she suffered terrible abuse when the two of them, he in a Germany shirt and she wearing the Polish colours, went to a public screening of the match between the two sides.
Of course such idiocy is not an exclusively German phenomenon. Some Poles reacted to Lukas Podolski scoring two goals against his country of birth in a manner that makes you wonder what... Well, let's just say it was unsavoury and leave it at that.
And of course such idiocy is not a widespread phenomenon. It looks like a bunch of my workmates here at the office will watch the game together, which means there will be a few Germans, a Turk, a Dane, two Ukranians and a Russian. Oh, and an Austrian. I can assure you there will be no problems, apart from massive hangovers on Thursday.
Still, some of the stories I have heard about the little things these past weeks have reminded me why I used to have such a problem with major tournaments. I readily admit it's certainly a personal defect of mine, probably a generational thing and possibly also a question of upbringing - but I don't understand nationalism. (Roughly the same goes for patriotism, if you prefer that word.):rolleyes:

Consider the thrilling game between Switzerland and Turkey. The Swiss fielded no less than three players of Turkish origin (Gökhan Inler, Hakan Yakin and Eren Derdiyok), two of whom linked up to score the first goal. While the Turks played a black midfielder born in Rio (Mehmet Aurélio) and brought on a striker born in Leytonstone, East London, to a father from Antigua (Kazim).
Or let's take the match between Austria and Croatia. A goal down, Austria tried to turn things around by bringing on yet another player of Turkish origin not playing for Turkey (Ümit Korkmaz) and of course also a striker who lived in Split, Croatia, until he was 21 (Ivica Vastic).
The Croats, meanwhile, fielded guys who could and will have conversed in perfect German with their Austrian opponents because it's the language they grew up with: Robert and Niko Kovac (born in Berlin) plus Mladen Petric (who came to Switzerland as a two-year-old). On the bench, there were Ivan Rakitic (born in Rheinfelden, Switzerland) and Ivan Klasnic (born in Hamburg).
So the blurring of lines is no longer the reserve of more or less traditionally multi-cultural sides like the Dutch, the Portugese or the French, and I applaud that. But what do we do with our national stereotypes now?
Take even such a non-multi-cultural side as Russia. I have heard their style described variously as 'typically Russian' (usually used by people who remember the great Dynamo Kiev side of the 80's, which would make it Ukranian) or 'typically Dutch' because of Guus Hiddink's undeniable influence.
Or take Germany. After the Croatia game, a user commented: 'Germans have two strengths - first one: they are big, strong and prepared, and the second: they never give up.'
Yes, Germany were prepared against Portugal. And woefully unprepared against Croatia. So as far as I'm concerned the verdict is still out on that one. I'll give you an update after Wednesday's game.
And so the long and the short of it is that the more international tournaments I see, the less I like many people's tendency to reduce everything to national clichés. T.J.B.

[terry]

Germnay beat the Turks

Turkey had no place to be be in EURO 2008 in the 1st place

Did people see the anti racism rubbish before KO :o

[alex]

A nice find and unusually good article from Spiegel.online

MORE AUDI THAN PORSCHE

The Secret of Germany's Football Success

06/25/2008

By Zeev Avrahami

Once again, the German national team has advanced to the latter stages of a major international tournament. But what makes the team so successful? It could be because they are so average.

For much of the game between Germany and Portugal last Thursday, it seemed almost unfair. Portugal may have been widely seen as the favorite, but the contest on the pitch seemed more like a boxing bout between a heavyweight and a middleweight. Portugal had the flash, the tricks and the fancy footwork. But in the end, it was Germany that proved willing to do what it took to win -- even if it meant star midfielder Michael Ballack had to shove a Portuguese defender out of the way to head home the winning goal in the second-half.

With that, Portugal was out, the team with perhaps the biggest star in the tournament. Christiano Ronaldo scored more goals than any other player this year in England's Premiership. He has been named the league's player of the year for two years running. Other stars like Deco and Petit, Nani and João Moutinho were playing alongside him on the Portuguese national side.

And the Germans? The team has a star midfielder in Ballack, who somehow manages to control games despite announcers going for huge chunks of time without calling his name. But his supporting cast is as anonymous as it gets, made up of players with names like Hitzlsperger, Rolfes and Mertesacker. And yet, it is exactly this devotion to the average which makes the German team successful year after year, tournament after tournament.

The German side, in short, will hardly ever make you jump out of your seat -- but it will only rarely disappoint. Its periods of success are brief, but so too are the lulls in between. In the last European championship tournament in 2004, the team didn't make it out of its group. But in the 2002 World Cup, the team came in second and in 2006, it finished an impressive third.

Why though? Why can a team like England, which year after year is packed with players recognized around Europe, if not around the world, not even come close to Germany's success rate in international tournaments? Why has Spain not won the European Championships since 1964 -- despite having one of the strongest domestic leagues on the Continent -- while Germany, with its fading Bundesliga, has won it three times since 1972?

One factor is certainly the teams consistent strength up the middle. Successful German national teams will always have an intimidating goalkeeper, a dominant defender in the middle, a leader in the heart of the midfield, and a robust scorer. Disappointing German teams have always lacked one of the links in this chain.

But at least as important is the team's stability. In Germany's opening Euro 2008 match against Poland, it fielded eight players who had played in the World Cup two years previously. The three players that subbed in were also part of the 2006 squad -- and the coach, Joachim Löw, was there too, albeit as an assistant. Such stability has long been the case for the German side. The team has never had a golden age of complete dominance, but -- even in the years of Franz Beckenbauer -- neither has it ever been reliant on just one player for success. Take away the Zinadine Zidane years, and France's international success plunges to English depths.

Germans, though, value the collective over the individual. The team, even with its recent focus on fitness sparked by Löw's predecessor Jürgen Klinsmann, is no Porsche. But it also is far away from being a Trabant. It's more like a solid, middle-of-the-road Audi. Fortunately for Germany, in cars as well as in soccer, their average is better then the rest.

But there is more to Germany's success that just continuity and consistent reliability. The team has been a major beneficiary of the globalization of soccer. Not because German club teams have been able to import flashy players from around the world to elevate the level of play. Rather, because they haven't.

In England, Spain and Italy, the local boys are often in the minority on the rosters of the best club teams. The Real Madrid teams of a few years ago weren't called Los Galácticos for nothing. And the money involved is huge. Indeed, in an age of skyrocketing salaries and club teams dotted with foreign superstars, club teams are suddenly more important than national teams and it is where the players' primary commitment lies.

Furthermore, when local teams are flooded with foreign talent, an important side-effect is a weaker national squad. Even Premier League Chairman Sir David Richards blamed England's failure to qualify for the tournament on the fact that many teams in the Premiership have a relative dearth of local talent. Italy, too, despite its 2006 World Cup victory, failed to advance very far this time around. Club leagues in both countries tend to rely on the talent of foreign players -- a luxury they can’t afford when it comes to international competitions.

Germany doesn’t have this problem. The Bundesliga can’t afford to compete financially with its Spanish, Italian and English counterparts. Instead, the German league allows local talent to develop, blossom, lead and take responsibility. And by so doing, it creates players who care fiercely about national pride and uniform. Only Bayern München consistently imports superstars for positions where local talent is not good enough.

It also works the other way: Just three German players play in foreign leagues -- a situation that results in familiarity and, on the national team, a feeling of unity. It is not a bunch of soccer mercenaries who meet once in a while and are supposed to bond and win a tournament within a month. Germany, in short, might not be the most impressive national team, but it is very close to being a true soccer club.

On Wednesday, it will be meeting another team with many of the same traits. Few Turkish players play outside of Turkey -- indeed, few outside of Turkey have even heard of most of those on the Turkish side. It is also fiercely proud and has demonstrated a depth of character unmatched so far in this year's tournament.

Indeed, Germany has to be careful on Wednesday not to be out Germanied by the Turks.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,562068,00.html

[Zander]

What kinda odd's did ye get for that tidy bet, Zander?

7/1 Masty. If Spain get to the final, I'll stick £100 on Germany as well, that should gaurentee me my money back at least. Fingers crossed:D

[Zander]

Germnay beat the Turks

Turkey had no place to be be in EURO 2008 in the 1st place

Did people see the anti racism rubbish before KO :o

Yes indeed, also the commentators were creaming themselves about the filthy turks, especially that kazim richards mongrel. I nearly put the telly through the window, but I only get away with that when Scotland are playing, the wife insists:D

[Mark Kerpolt]

MASTEH, ye Brih'eesh ain' even in dheh bluh'eeh EC dhis yeer, so wos all dheh fooss abui' nau! :eek:

[Karl Lueger]

Up in Valhalla, The Fuhrer and General Franco wil enjoy the final,
maybe even recall the good old days at the old stadium..:D


'Old Lady' stadium with a Nazi past
It may be called rather fetchingly the 'Old Lady' but the stadium for Sunday's Euro 2008 final between Germany and Spain has a dark past -
it was formerly a site for Nazi propaganda and racial experiments.

The Ernst Happel stadium, originally named Prater stadium after the area of Vienna in which it is located, opened in 1931 for the second Workers' Olympiad
after 23 months of construction.

A 'utopia made of steel, glass and concrete,' the sleek structure by German architect Otto Ernst Schweizer was then considered the most modern stadium in Europe.

The venue, which was home to the celebrated Austrian Wunderteam of the 1930s, originally held 60,000.

It was later increased to 90,000 in the 1950s, before standing places were abolished. Renovated in 1986, the stadium was renamed after legendary Austrian coach
Ernst Happel in 1993 and is now a protected landmark.

The 'Old Lady,' which underwent further restoration in preparation for the Euro at a cost of 36.9 million euros (58.2 million dollars), also served a more sinister purpose during the 1930s.

On May 1, 1934, marching schoolchildren paid tribute to Austro-fascist Chancellor Engelbert Dolfuss at the stadium, in a pompous Labour Day spectacle during which he proclaimed a new constitution, effectively turning Austria into an authoritarian state.

Four years later, on April 3, 1938, the stadium hosted the so-called Anschluss Spiel, or 'annexation match,'
following Austria's occupation by Adolf Hitler's Germany on March 12. :swastikasmiley:

Staged by Nazi propagandists as a reconciliation between two parts of the Reich that belonged together, the game - one week before an April 10 referendum, in which Austrians would overwhelmingly vote to join the Third Reich - nevertheless saw Austria defeat Germany 2-0, before an array of Nazi high officials.

A year later on September 10-11, 1939, the stadium took on a new role as the German Gestapo locked up over 1,000 Jewish men there on the grounds that the prisons
were full.

Josef Wastl, the then-director of the anthropology department at Vienna's Natural History Museum, examined some 440 detainees,
taking measurements of their bodies and features for an 'Anthropology of Jews' report, with photos, hair samples and plaster masks of their faces.:p

The prisoners were sent to Buchenwald concentration camp on September 30 and business resumed as usual on the following day,
as the stadium once again played host to a football game.:D


2008 AFP