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bmwbiker

April 3rd, 2009, 02:08 PM

Mass graves have been found, a few exhumed and the culprits are either old or dead. Who will answer for them and what will textbooks say?
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ZAGREB, CROATIA – A former Yugoslav Partisan major, Simo Dubajic, has been suspected of killing at least 13,000 prisoners of war, mostly Ustashi and members of the Croatian Home Guard, at the Kocevski rog in Slovenia in 1945. A total of 29 people have been reported to the Croatian prosecution for crimes during World War Two, but most suspects are either dead or unreachable. So the only living suspect is Simo Dubajic.

Does every crime has a name and surname?

After more than 60 years since the crimes, the Croatian prosecution decided to charge Sime Dubajic and so opened numerous questions about war crimes and the related process along with their convictions. Dubaic is a citizen of Serbia, so the first problem is his extradition. Besides, he is now 86 years old and it is unlikely he would live long enough to hear the verdict.

- There is no person who took part in the war without having taking part in war crimes. But I think

Little is talked about mass graves in Serbia and the indictment against Sime Dubajic has not even been mentioned in the media.there are worse war criminals than I am – Dubajic said in an old television interview. Dubajic then relieved his conscious, but also directed attention to names such as Costic, Bulat and Macek.

Once a citizen of Croatia, Dubajic returned to the Serb Orthodox faith and confessed to his crimes. Asked about the responsibility of others, a long-time researcher of genocide in Yugoslavia, Anto Beljo, explained for Croatian Television’s talk show “Otvoreno” that there are detailed communist documents and numerous books that could provide the answers about rewarded generals of a certain unit.

Cicak: Mesic is making war crimes frivolous

A Serbian historian, Srdjan Cvetkovic, said that in Serbia a reporter or researcher of war crimes has a difficult time obtaining documents because the most important archives have not been opened and they even have to have special permissions to view documents.

- At first glance it looks like they’re red tape problems, but the true cause is a lack of political will to solve the issues. A researcher in Serbia cannot get far – Cvetkovic said on “Otvoreno”.

At the end of World War two, Partisans committed crimes people have been listening about for 60 years, but nothing has been done about the perpetrators. Sime Dubajic is the only one who admitted to the crimes to placate his conscious. But it is not realistic to expect him to answer for the crimes he committed.
Croatian Helsinki Committee (HHO) vice-president Ivan Zvonimir Cicak spoke about a new case of the discovery of a pit near Cakovec. Last month, during the construction of an embankment on the left bank of the Drava River, bones were found that most probably are the remains of people who had been taken from prisons and concentration camps in Varazdin and killed in 1945.

- There are 830 mass graves in Croatia and 23 have been exhumed. All of the people’s fates from those pits will never be resolved, but exhumations have to be conducted – Cicak stressed. He compared the person who worked the excavator and failed to see the bones near Varazdin to Croatian President Stjepan Mesic because he thinks he is taking war crimes frivolously.

‘Let them find the document in which I ordered the killings’

The taboo subject of war crimes from World War Two has been present for decades and the question is, who should answer for them by command responsibility before Sime Dubajic. Once this question was put forward, the talk show guests began enumerating names – Jovanic, Basta, Ahmetovic, Kufrin, Bulat and, of course, Josip Broz Tito, the late president of the former Yugoslavia.

Due to technical difficulties, the station did not manage to air a sound clip by Tito, so host Dijana Culjak-Selebaj paraphrased it: “Let them find the document in which I ordered the killings”.

The guests stressed the need for talks about the issue to continue, as well as to call other witnesses and the State Prosecution representatives to find out what they had been doing about the war crimes for the past ten years.

bmwbiker

April 3rd, 2009, 02:09 PM

Exhumation of bodies, which are assumed to date back to June 1945, will have to wait, because the courts lack funding.
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The nongovernmental association Croatian Helsinki Committee (HHO) insists that The Hague Tribunal`s demands are met, seeing how the rule of law is questioned otherwise.

General transparency is necessary

Court orders must be obeyed; those who seek transparency from us have to be transparent themselves.

Ivan Zvonimir Cicak, HHO
- Delivering the reports of European watchmen from Knin and Zagreb from August 1995, which The Hague Tribunal requested from the EU is equally important as delivering the Artillery Logs – Ivan Zvonimir Cicak, vice president of the Croatian Helsinki Committee and Vlatko Silobrcic, HHO Board of Executives member told a press conference.

This would be acting in accordance with the rule of law. On the contrary, one might reach the conclusion that the European Union (ab)uses war crimes as a means of pressure on individual membering countries of former Yugoslavia.

- Court orders must be obeyed; those who seek transparency from us have to be transparent themselves - Ivan Zvonimir Cicak said.

Huda Jama in Cakovec

The Gornji Hrascani settlement near Cakovec includes a mass grave with supposedly 1,700 bodies.

The victims were supposedly shot at the Varazdin stadium upon the end of World War 2 and then transported to the ditches of Gornji Hrascani, where they were buried. Ivan Zvonimir Cicak showed a thighbone at the press conference. It was found at the Drava River embankment by Roma children. Analysis at the Cakovec General Hospital determined that it, and other bones found there, were human and hate back to June 1045, which means that they were those of the Way of the Cross victims.

The victims were supposedly shot at the Varazdin stadium upon the end of World War 2 and then transported to the ditches of Gornji Hrascani, where they were buried.

Exhumation of bodies, which are assumed to date back to June 1945, will have to wait, because the courts lack funding.

- There are 830 pits with bodies in Croatia, while only 23 have been processed. There are seven near Zagreb, which is terrifying – Cicak pointed out.

bmwbiker

April 3rd, 2009, 02:11 PM

Mass Grave Massacre Ordered By Josip Broz Tito The Partisan army was dissolved in March 1045 and joined the Yugoslav army under Tito`s leadership

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Several days ago, the mass grave in Barbarin Rov (Barbara`s trench) was visited by historians, the police, representatives of the Slovene authorities and the state prosecutor. Over 300 bodies were found and it is suspected that the tomb hold up to 1,000 bodies. The bodies only had shoes on and these people were most likely killed with gas-

President of the People`s Liberation Army of Slovenia Soldiers` Association Janez Stanovnik told 24ur that the Partisan army was dissolved in March 1045, before the tragic massacre in Barbarin Rov, which happened between May and September 1945. Thus, the association distanced itself from the crime and condemns it.

Tito commanded all partisans and communists

- The murders took place under the leadership of Josip Broz Tito – Stanovnik told the Delo daily.

- The Partisan army was dissolved in March 1945 and joined the Yugoslav Army. It acted under the leadership of Josip Broz Tito, and not the Slovene headquarters – Stanovnik explained.

Anton Drobnic, former state prosecutor says that Slovene partisans were behind all the crimes, headed by the communists.

- Tito was his commander, commander of Janez Stanovnik, the partisans and the communists – Drobnic told the Delo daily.

Paid to keep quiet

Vice president of the New Slovenia party Anton Kokalj believes that some kept quiet about the crime in Barbarin Rov for 60 years, because they were paid to do so,

- Innocent people are lying there, who were bestially killed – Kokalj told the 24ur.

Bodies will be taken away after the inquest

Newer History Museum director Joze Dezman said that the bodies would not be taken away yet from the Barbarin Rov in Huda Jama, Slovenia. He claims that the police first need to clear a part of the corridor where the shoes and clothes belonging to the victims are.

After the investigation ends, the bodies will be transported to the Maribor tomb, which was created for war crimes victims.

lazer

April 3rd, 2009, 02:56 PM

bmwbiker

April 3rd, 2009, 03:18 PM

AmeriKwa fucked you're region for the worst my friend. I dont have anything against Croatia, but I think you should be just as worried as the Serbs about the new change of power balance in the balkans. The real victims here are the Serbs. We all know it's the Serbs getting fucked around here. We also know Serbia has been destroyed by this nation. Sure, the Russians complained but what the fuck could they do after Chechnya? It was a deliberate plot to deny Serbia's historical boundaries and punish it for being a Russian ally. No European should be happy about an American proxy next to Serbia. They took Kosovo, next they'll look at Croatia and tell you to fuck off. You see what I mean? They are American allies, and when Croatia is off no use to us; we'll get the Albanians too hunt you down.

Technicly what you says is right, but one thing is missing here, and that is Croatian historical attitude and oath to Roman Pope: never to atack cristians.

That holy oath is in Croatian blood, we never attacked catholic christians.
It was revenge to all Croats who supported Hitler.

I was in last war, im war veteran, i see how Serbs (this one who is howling that they are true White Nationalists) killing White Croats ... those wasnt WN, those was communist bastards, like those who make that killings, that holocaust on Croats after 2WW....see that posts abowe, it is my nation, some of my relatives lying in those mass tooms, they all was killed by Serbs, not from Croats, Albanians, Macedonians, Slovenians, muslims...

It is estamated that 500 000 of Croats (mostly males) are executed....that will be now 4 milion Croats more.

They done that becouse they need space and they want to rid off competition, so communist fill that gap with Serbs and muslims from Bosnia...that was in last 60 years.

In last war we win and set all back on starting positons..and all that politics of Serbs are fall apart.

One important thing: Serbs are weack nation, they lose all last 5 wars what they started in last 20 years, Albanians are weak also but they are stronger than Serbs, so as we knows history repeat is himself, Serbs must to try save their lifes from Albanians...and they want to live in Croatia, becouse Croatia is only strong nation in Balcan, they want ours protection but they forgive theris attacks on Croats.

US want to Croatia be Balcan policeman...and that is thing what will be hard: Croats dont want to fight for Serbs or muslims against Albanians, or with Albanians against Serbs....

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 03:28 PM

Technicly what you says is right, but one thing is missing here, and that is Croatian historical attitude and oath to Roman Pope: never to atack cristians.

That holy oath is in Croatian blood, we never attacked catholic christians.
It was revenge to all Croats who supported Hitler.
Fuck your shitty semitic religion, you have some balls to talk about Pinko Commies after mentioning Communism's relative the Catholic Church.

I was in last war, im war veteran, i see how Serbs (this one who is howling that they are true White Nationalists) killing White Croats ... those wasnt WN, those was communist bastards, like those who make that killings, that holocaust on Croats after 2WW....see that posts abowe, it is my nation, some of my relatives lying in those mass tooms, they all was killed by Serbs, not from Croats, Albanians, Macedonians, Slovenians, muslims...
What about Montenegro?

It is estamated that 500 000 of Croats (mostly males) are executed....that will be now 4 milion Croats more.

Those are some fantastic numbers, what's the source?

One important thing: Serbs are weack nation, they lose all last 5 wars what they started in last 20 years,
If they were so weak why did you need American NATO help to defeat them? Serbs kicked your ass when it came to man-to-man casualties, Serbs killed by far more Croatian fighters than vice versa. According to you Serbs killed 500,000 men i.e a huge number of Croatia's potential fighting force and you then claim that they are weak? That's stupid isn't it?

Albanians are weak also but they are stronger than Serbs, so as we knows history repeat is himself, Serbs must to try save their lifes from Albanians...
1 on 1 Serbia would crush Albania without breaking a sweat.

US want to Croatia be Balcan policeman...and that is thing what will be hard: Croats dont want to fight for Serbs or muslims against Albanians, or with Albanians against Serbs....
I hate US sell outs who don't understand that they are puppets that have no purpose beyond being used. This is why I don't like your country - you have delusions about your friendship with the West.

bmwbiker

April 3rd, 2009, 04:04 PM

Fuck your shitty semitic religion, you have some balls to talk about Pinko Commies after mentioning Communism's relative the Catholic Church.

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It is my religion and i respect it...in communist times that was last fortress of Croats - Catholic curch..

What about Montenegro?

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What about those idiots?

Those are some fantastic numbers, what's the source?

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History ...and bones in that mass graves ... in future we will have precise number.

If they were so weak why did you need American NATO help to defeat them? Serbs kicked your ass when it came to man-to-man casualties, Serbs killed by far more Croatian fighters than vice versa. According to you Serbs killed 500,000 men i.e a huge number of Croatia's potential fighting force and you then claim that they are weak? That's stupid isn't it?
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you not pay attention... 500 000 death was made by Communist serbs after 2WW not in last war

In last war (that was 15 years ago) Croatian casulties was 13 000 pepole

Serbs killed in Croatian soil: 60 000

1 on 1 Serbia would crush Albania without breaking a sweat.

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dont make me laugh...it is so funny, Serbs was killing Albanians for 20 years, and Albanian in just one year kicked theirs ass...but situation was ugly there for all civilians that is for shure.
One important thing: on Kosovo was 1 milion of Albanians, but 700 000 of them was ready for fight, Serbs was low in pepole (maybe 100 000) and they realy got ass kicked.
Only thing what was keeping Albanians from sonner attack is: they wasnt have weapons !!! they wasnt have 700 000 kalasnikows, and when they gether it, the was strike so hard that NATO save Serbian ass

I hate US sell outs who don't understand that they are puppets that have no purpose beyond being used. This is why I don't like your country - you have delusions about your friendship with the West.

All countries are puppets of Jews, soom or later they will push ous in something...look what they done from Germany, Spain, France...it isnt nothing new today

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 04:24 PM

It is my religion and i respect it...in communist times that was last fortress of Croats - Catholic curch..

That religion was forced on your ancestors at the threat of death and you respect it? At least Serbs became Orthodox by their own will unlike you, your ancestors were slaves to "your" religion.

History ...and bones in that mass graves ... in future we will have precise number.
Sure you will, until you have evidence to show me id prefer you didn't make claims.

By the way, question:

Were people in the Ustashe mostly Arabs? It seems they had an absurd liking for cutting heads off, must be Turk blood somewhere.

http://4international.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/013.jpg
They look like low life gangster criminals, look at their subhuman faces! Such "humans" should be thrown out the window the moment they're born.

you not pay attention... 500 000 death was made by Communist serbs after 2WW not in last war

According to who?

In last war (that was 15 years ago) Croatian casulties was 13 000 pepole

Serbs killed in Croatian soil: 60 000
According to your allies 20,000 and you're off by 1 zero for Serbs you mean 6,000-10,000 . They kicked your ass, face it they were beating the crap out of you. If you didn't have friends in the air you would have lost.

dont make me laugh...it is so funny, Serbs was killing Albanians for 20 years, and Albanian in just one year kicked theirs ass...but situation was ugly there for all civilians that is for shure.
One important thing: on Kosovo was 1 milion of Albanians, but 700 000 of them was ready for fight, Serbs was low in pepole (maybe 100 000) and they realy got ass kicked.

You mean in the Kosovo war where Albania was helped by 1000 NATO planes and still managed to lose 10 times the people that Serbs did? That war? :confused:

Take away the NATO planes and it would have been a complete slaughter, Albanian hands, feet, heads would have been flying everywhere :)

Only thing what was keeping Albanians from sonner attack is: they wasnt have weapons !!! they wasnt have 700 000 kalasnikows, and when they gether it, the was strike so hard that NATO save Serbian ass

Your love for Albanian niggers shows you have no place being on this site, you're a chauvinist. Albanians are subhumans and why you side with them and admire them is beyond me.

All countries are puppets of Jews, soom or later they will push ous in something...look what they done from Germany, Spain, France...it isnt nothing new today

You're a big sell out because unlike those countries you gave in by your own will. Losers.

bmwbiker

April 3rd, 2009, 04:53 PM

That religion was forced on your ancestors at the threat of death and you respect it? At least Serbs became Orthodox by their own will unlike you, your ancestors were slaves to "your" religion.

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you can be realy heavy guy..yo need to find some pussy that will calm you down... dont blame Vatican for yours fals.
Dont be jelous becouse i have faith...

By the way, question:

Were people in the Ustashe mostly Arabs? It seems they had an absurd liking for cutting heads off, must be Turk blood somewhere.

They look like low life gangster criminals, look at their subhuman faces! Such "humans" should be thrown out the window the moment they're born.

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http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e189/anda_mn/Kalmykia/kalmy_don_kozaks.jpg
here is picture of yours Kozaks..they look prety gook to me....all Russians look little gook...and they was known as bloodtrsty killers of White pepole..You are stupid Kozak...bullet in yours forhead will be rellaksation to yours familly

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 05:08 PM

you can be realy heavy guy..yo need to find some pussy that will calm you down... dont blame Vatican for yours fals.
Dont be jelous becouse i have faith...
The Vatican was sunk at lake Peipus by Nevsky, they have never been a serious threat to us.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e189/anda_mn/Kalmykia/kalmy_don_kozaks.jpg
here is picture of yours Kozaks..they look prety gook to me....all Russians look little gook...and they was known as bloodtrsty killers of White pepole..You are stupid Kozak...bullet in yours forhead will be rellaksation to yours familly

A friend told me that you Eurasian Avars have some sort of absurd hatred for Russians, thanks for proving that. Fuck Croatia and its subhuman Bosnian/Albanian friends. You fucks have some nerve calling us Asiatic when you're a bunch of Avar mongrels.

Serbs free Europe from Turkic niggers, Croats want to make love to them, that's the difference between a nation of Whites and a nation of Asiatics. I hope it's clear why Russia prefers the nation of Whites :)

bmwbiker

April 3rd, 2009, 05:12 PM

You mean in the Kosovo war where Albania was helped by 1000 NATO planes and still managed to lose 10 times the people that Serbs did? That war? :confused:

Take away the NATO planes and it would have been a complete slaughter, Albanian hands, feet, heads would have been flying everywhere :)

Your love for Albanian niggers shows you have no place being on this site, you're a chauvinist. Albanians are subhumans and why you side with them and admire them is beyond me.

You're a big sell out because unlike those countries you gave in by your own will. Losers.

What i can say...you was there and you know better that me who have rifle in that war....i said it all in post before, if you so impresed with great Serbian war power that please explain ous:

How 3. military power Yugoslavia (Serbia) make 5 wars from 1989 - 1997...and lost all?....mama, mama
They have all weapons from Yugoslav army and they was so shure that they can be imperialists so they try to fuck ous...they lost.

Albanians are white!!! remember that, if you saying that Greeks, Bulgars, Srbs are white that Albanians are White also..it is saim "mud" shit.

Dont talk me about selling out...you are Russian who live in US!!!!!! come on dont be two-faced retard, you havent solve yours own problems and you smarting me.. ha ha ha...you dont know where Serbia and Albania are on map... ha ha ha

One more thing for all Serb lovers: this is the best football club in Serbia...Red star...even Chinese fucked off red star today, but Serbs love it..

http://klub.bgdcafe.com/slike/4437_Crvena_Zvezda.jpg

if you think that this is only some isolated thing...no amigo, second best FC is called PARTIZAN and also have red star

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/thumb/2/23/Partizan.svg/511px-Partizan.svg.png

and what that says about that pepole who live there?

They are fucking communists !!!

allways was, and allways will be becouse communism is their excuse and chance to kill white pepole and try to make imperialistic Great Serbia

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 05:20 PM

What i can say...you was there and you know better that me who have rifle in that war....i said it all in post before, if you so impresed with great Serbian war power that please explain ous:

How 3. military power Yugoslavia (Serbia) make 5 wars from 1989 - 1997...and lost all?....mama, mama
By having thousands of NATO planes constantly bombing them, that they completely beat the shit out of you while being bombed to hell just shows how great they are.

They have all weapons from Yugoslav army and they was so shure that they can be imperialists so they try to fuck ous...they lost.
They raped you until your big brother came in to help.

Albanians are white!!! remember that, if you saying that Greeks, Bulgars, Srbs are white that Albanians are White also..it is saim "mud" shit.

You fucking mud-loving piece of shit. The original Albanians are Illyrians and have been completely exterminated and replaced by Turks. Fucking asshole, you have some Chutzpah to call Cossacks (A people far greater than your's) non-White when you are in love with Turks.

Dont talk me about selling out...you are Russian who live in US!!!!!! come on dont be two-faced retard, you havent solve yours own problems and you smarting me.. ha ha ha...you dont know where Serbia and Albania are on map... ha ha ha
I am not an American citizen and I have never done a single favor for America. Your nation , on the other hand, gets on its hands and knees...

allways was, and allways will be becouse communism is their excuse and chance to kill white pepole and try to make imperialistic Great Serbia
You're using football clubs as your proof for this?

bmwbiker

April 3rd, 2009, 05:22 PM

bmwbiker

April 3rd, 2009, 05:35 PM

By having thousands of NATO planes constantly bombing them, that they completely beat the shit out of you while being bombed to hell just shows how great they are.

milions of bombers ... total devastation :D

Nato destroyed 5 bridges in all Serba...ha ha ha... my stomach is hurting from laugh what stupid shit you are shiting

They raped you until your big brother came in to help.

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Nato didnt helped Croatia...they fucked ous, we was on embargo - no weapons amigo, and all weapons in Serbs....uuuuu mama that was days, with hunting rifles, self made granates...all sorts of self made weapons...but we stoped Serbs....we needed 4 years to smuglle weapons or capture, and when we was ready we strike in glorius operation "storm" it was good day, glourious

You fucking mud-loving piece of shit. The original Albanians are Illyrians and have been completely exterminated and replaced by Turks. Fucking asshole, you have some Chutzpah to call Cossacks (A people far greater than your's) non-White when you are in love with Turks.
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Cossacks is Asiatic bastards and nobody love them...all pepole in Europe hate Cossacks it is fact...

I am not an American citizen and I have never done a single favor for America. Your nation , on the other hand, gets on its hands and knees...

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why then you wrighting on American forum????

You're using football clubs as your proof for this?

Slobodan Milosevis was presedent of communist party, Mladic was communist..they all was communist

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 07:21 PM

my grandfather who was in Wermacht say to me: just one nation is badest of all ... Communist Russians.

Who cares about what you Asiatics think?

camon dont make me laugh..Serbs defend ous from Turks...ha ha ha...more Serbs attacked ous with Turks that is true fact.

True fact according to whom?

Croatia was fighting with Turks for 400 years and win,
More like Austria+Hungary won, the most significant victories in the West were won by them.

in that time joung Serbs was in Turkish army as Akindjis and Serbian preasts as scriptars of Turkish generals.

Yeah and so were Croats it's called a Jannisary and you lost a lot of land and people to the Turks so you're not one to speak. The reason you had it easier is because they had to go through Serbia first, you're the geography specialist here, tell me if Turks are heading out from Constantinople who will they meet first, the Serbs or the Croats?

That is main reason why Serbs are "mud" maybe 15% of Serbs are white, rest of them looks like Gypsies
You're are one to speak you Avar.

Nato destroyed 5 bridges in all Serba...ha ha ha... my stomach is hurting from laugh what stupid shit you are shiting
Uh right, they literally had 1000 planes flying over Serbia if you don't believe me look it up yourself. Retard.

Nato didnt helped Croatia...they fucked ous, we was on embargo - no weapons amigo, and all weapons in Serbs....
So what? You were their conscripts not their elite guard.

Cossacks is Asiatic bastards and nobody love them...all pepole in Europe hate Cossacks it is fact...

If by all people you mean Croats, you're right but it seems like Croats hate anyone White. Croats love Bosnians, Albanians and most of all America. You're the one who said they supposedly want you to be the policemen there.

why then you wrighting on American forum????

I could ask you the same.

Slobodan Milosevis was presedent of communist party, Mladic was communist..they all was communist
Are you unaware that Croatian nationalism takes root in the communist party? You're a bunch of pinkos yourself, Catholicism is only one step away from Communism.

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 07:26 PM

The Vatican was sunk at lake Peipus by Nevsky, they have never been a serious threat to us.

A friend told me that you Eurasian Avars have some sort of absurd hatred for Russians, thanks for proving that. Fuck Croatia and its subhuman Bosnian/Albanian friends. You fucks have some nerve calling us Asiatic when you're a bunch of Avar mongrels.

Serbs free Europe from Turkic niggers, Croats want to make love to them, that's the difference between a nation of Whites and a nation of Asiatics. I hope it's clear why Russia prefers the nation of Whites :)

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Where this,,your frend,, learn history?hahahahahahahahaha
Serbs free Europe from Turkis niggers????????O my dear Got:)
1.Serbs was under Turks about 500 years!!!!
In this period there(today Serbia) was one rule ,,pravo prve bracne noci,,-that's mean hmmm my english is bad...,,right of first marriage night,,somethin like that.That's mean next:ALL Serbian women who mariage...MUST before living with housband...they MUST slep with turcish leader in this aria!!!!
So...500 years that happend in Serbia...How manny generation is that?(in this time age of 50 was deap age)That's mean-if every 4..or 5 child have for biological fater Turk!!!!!10 generation!!!!!
2.Croatia have get oner ,,titule,,from pop Lava X - year 1519 ...this titule was,,Croatiae-Antemurale Christianitatis,,-that's mean hmmm Croatia-wall of cristians
3.About background of Croats...gen marcers say all. !!!!
-45% EU-7 (dinaric gens or another name is ARYAN-VEDA marcer)..ONLY Croats have this marcer dominant in this mapa of gens in Europe!!!!
-just germans,dutchmans and polaks have high EU 7 but even they not have so big-high procent how croats have
So before you tray to say something(or your,,frend,,)beter tray to read something before you talking about ,,asiat roots,,? hahahahahakretenu
-If you want you can tray to find serbians mapa of gens...and don't be suprised when you find ,,turkish gens more in serbian mapa of for example in albanians mapa
4.Serbs is white...OK..but pictures witch one you put here was from some another time...That is pics from war II ...In this time criteria for belong some rase is't same like today!!!!
In this time Serbs was not acount in white rasa!!!Serbs,Greks,south Italians,Romanians ect ect
Im this time white people in Europe call him ,,gipsies,,!!!!!
But today criteria is change.And you will not find same picture.
My granvater even today not recognise Serbs,Greks like white people...All time he call them,gipsies,, or ,,balkansko smece,, what's mean ,,balcans rabish,,

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 07:35 PM

about catholicsm...
Before you say something like that here-it's beter to know next(if your home education,,-wutch your parents must give you)Catolic faith is bigest religion in white people in Europe.French,Austians,Croats,Hungarians,Spanish,Swizerland,Italia,ect ect...
And if you want to make Croats angry...just start negative talking about our religion...We are more of 88% catholics and we are prepeare die for our religion...for Isus..for God and for holly Maria and holly Spirit

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 07:43 PM

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v10/n9/full/5200834a.html
If you not beliewe what I wrote here about genetics here you can find some interesting data

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 07:44 PM

The Vatican was sunk at lake Peipus by Nevsky, they have never been a serious threat to us.

A friend told me that you Eurasian Avars have some sort of absurd hatred for Russians, thanks for proving that. Fuck Croatia and its subhuman Bosnian/Albanian friends. You fucks have some nerve calling us Asiatic when you're a bunch of Avar mongrels.

Serbs free Europe from Turkic niggers, Croats want to make love to them, that's the difference between a nation of Whites and a nation of Asiatics. I hope it's clear why Russia prefers the nation of Whites :)

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Where this,,your frend,, learn history?hahahahahahahahaha
Serbs free Europe from Turkis niggers????????O my dear Got:)
1.Serbs was under Turks about 500 years!!!!
In this period there(today Serbia) was one rule ,,pravo prve bracne noci,,-that's mean hmmm my english is bad...,,right of first marriage night,,somethin like that.That's mean next:ALL Serbian women who mariage...MUST before living with housband...they MUST slep with turcish leader in this aria!!!!
2.Croatia have get oner ,,titule,,from pop Lava X - year 1519 ...this titule was,,Croatiae-Antemurale Christianitatis,,-that's mean hmmm Croatia-wall of cristians
3.About background of Croats...gen marcers say all. !!!!
-45% EU-7 (dinaric gens or another name is ARYAN-VEDA marcer)..ONLY Croats have this marcer dominant in this mapa of gens in Europe!!!!
-just germans,dutchmans and polaks have high EU 7 but even they not have so big-high procent how croats have
So before you tray to say something(or your,,frend,,)beter tray to read something before you talking about ,,asiat roots,,? hahahahahakretenu
-If you want you can tray to find serbians mapa of gens...and don't be suprised when you find ,,turkish gens more in serbian mapa of for example in albanians mapa
4.Serbs is white...OK..but pictures witch one you put here was from some another time...That is pics from war II ...In this time criteria for belong some rase is't same like today!!!!
In this time Serbs was not acount in white rasa!!!Serbs,Greks,south Italians ect ect
Im this time white people in Europe call him ,,gipsies,,!!!!!
But today criteria is change.And you will not find same picture.
My granvater even today not recognise Serbs,Greks like white people...All time he call them,gipsies,,

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 07:44 PM

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Where this,,your frend,, learn history?hahahahahahahahaha
Serbs free Europe from Turkis niggers????????O my dear Got:)
1.Serbs was under Turks about 500 years!!!!
In this period there(today Serbia) was one rule ,,pravo prve bracne noci,,-that's mean hmmm my english is bad...,,right of first marriage night,,somethin like that.That's mean next:ALL Serbian women who mariage...MUST before living with housband...they MUST slep with turcish leader in this aria!!!!
Heard it from a croat before never seen it mentioned anywhere else. I am quite familiar with how the Turkic system worked and this sort of law was never in effect in the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans, while brutal, typically left their victims alone and only came to collect blood taxes every year.

3.About background of Croats...gen marcers say all. !!!!
-45% EU-7 (dinaric gens or another name is ARYAN-VEDA marcer)..
This sort of shit doesn't impress me.

ONLY Croats have this marcer dominant in this mapa of gens in Europe!!!!
-just germans,dutchmans and polaks have high EU 7 but even they not have so big-high procent how croats have
Stop trying to prove that you're western by sucking western dick.

So before you tray to say something(or your,,frend,,)
Try spelling you dipshit.

beter tray to read something before you talking about ,,asiat roots,,?
Look up Eurasian Avars, they lived right on you and if not that you were ruled by part Magyars for 800 years.

-If you want you can tray to find serbians mapa of gens...and don't be suprised when you find ,,turkish gens more in serbian mapa of for example in albanians mapa
That doesn't happen.

My granvater even today not recognise Serbs,Greks like white people...All time he call them,gipsies,, or ,,balkansko smece,, what's mean ,,balcans rabish,,
And Serbs don't recognize him as one.

about catholicsm...
Before you say something like that here-it's beter to know next(if your home education,,-wutch your parents must give you)Catolic faith is bigest religion in white people in Europe.French,Austians,Croats,Hungarians,Spanish,Swizerland,Italia,ect ect...
The French have more atheists than catholics. The Swiss are just barely majority catholic. At any rate Christian knights forced you to be Catholic, you weren't actually willing when you were still Pagan and slavic.

And if you want to make Croats angry...just start negative talking about our religion...We are more of 88% catholics and we are prepeare die for our religion...for Isus..for God and for holly Maria and holly Spirit
I don't care, fuck your religion.

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 07:57 PM

3.About background of Croats...gen marcers say all. !!!!
-45% EU-7 (dinaric gens or another name is ARYAN-VEDA marcer)..

This sort of shit doesn't impress me.
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I know...maybe you are impress if I wrote something about turks gens in serbian white people?

ONLY Croats have this marcer dominant in this mapa of gens in Europe!!!!
-just germans,dutchmans and polaks have high EU 7 but even they not have so big-high procent how croats have

Stop trying to prove that you're western by sucking western dick.
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sucking western dick?????
I not understand whay you use this dictionary?If you are Sers I can understanding because we all know that Serbs soucks turks dicks from century and they tink if they sucking east osma dick that all another nation must do same tings hahahaha..but you are not Serb?

beter tray to read something before you talking about ,,asiat roots,,?

Look up Eurasian Avars, they lived right on you and if not that you were ruled by part Magyars for 800 years.
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How I say before...tray to read something before start talking:)Maybe you will find something ...maybe you not read books..well tray just google :
,,pacta conventa,,..then maybe you will understand what stupiditi you wrote here

If you want you can tray to find serbians mapa of gens...and don't be suprised when you find ,,turkish gens more in serbian mapa of for example in albanians mapa

That doesn't happen.
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Whay?Because you not want that or because you have some officiall surce?
One's again:Before start to make conclusion-first tray to read-to educate youself

My granvater even today not recognise Serbs,Greks like white people...All time he call them,gipsies,, or ,,balkansko smece,, what's mean ,,balcans rabish,,

And Serbs don't recognize him as one.
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hahahahahahahahaha

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 07:59 PM

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 08:03 PM

cia data about religion in
France:
Religions:
Roman Catholic 83%-88%, Protestant 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 5%-10%, unaffiliated 4%
Switzerland:
Roman Catholic 41.8%, Protestant 35.3%, Muslim 4.3%, Orthodox 1.8%, other Christian 0.4%, other 1%, unspecified 4.3%, none 11.1% (2000 census)

And if you want to make Croats angry...just start negative talking about our religion...We are more of 88% catholics and we are prepeare die for our religion...for Isus..for God and for holly Maria and holly Spirit

I don't care, fuck your religion.
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this your dictionaty just talk for yourself:)and for your parents...I cant defence myself...my mind:)all time one idea come in my mind after your words-..you must be mix of turks and some ortox vlah?serb?

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 08:09 PM

What is this shit? It's like reading one of "Where to begin"'s posts. They apparently need a class in Croatia for how to click buttons.

",,pacta conventa,,..then maybe you will understand what stupiditi you wrote here"

I am aware, my view point is that Hungary stepped on your head and annexed you.

hahaha your view of point?
Who you are?some historyans?hahahahahahahahahah
Please,go out from fog..or just stop talking about you don't know nothing:)
For your information...to annexed someone you must have war and you must winn in this war.Is't?
Pacta conventa is't result of war:)

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 08:20 PM

I not want to give you mission imposible:)I will tell you what Pacta Conventa is:
That is agreement betwen STATE od Hungary and STATE of Croatia( year 1102.)
From one side that is pact of making new STATE.Name of STATE was Hrvatsko-Ugarsko kraljevstvo(UngaroCroatian Kingdom)
In this Kingdom Croats take obligation to do what they know do best aoll time-defence Kingdom.And Croats for fedbak not need pay to kingdom any tax.
There was some more point but this two is base of Pacta Conventa

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 08:24 PM

hahaha your view of point?
Who you are?some historyans?hahahahahahahahahah
Please,go out from fog..or just stop talking about you don't know nothing:)
For your information...to annexed someone you must have war and you must winn in this war.Is't?
Pacta conventa is't result of war:)

Not really, if you're particularly weak you might just fall over and take it. By the way if you like Catholics so much why do you use "vlah", don't you know that Italians are Catholic also?

Look in the tag by the way, the first one is for you.

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 08:26 PM

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 08:28 PM

ooooooo I see:) ,,vlah,,mean Italian? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Isuse Kriste:):)
What is your next linquistic,,pearl,,?

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 08:29 PM

* 34% of French citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
* 27% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
* 33% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".

OK...I give you cia factbook data.
This data is from psychowhatewer fact book?

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 08:29 PM

Bob are you unaware that your last king fought against Hungary? You make it sound like Croats just decided it'd be cool to team up with Hungary. LOL Fucking Avar history. TAB.

OK...I give you cia factbook data.
This data is from psychowhatewer fact book?

Cia factbook can suck my dick. By the way few French are actually practicing, they simply say they are.

psychologicalshock

April 3rd, 2009, 08:32 PM

ooooooo I see:) ,,vlah,,mean Italian? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Isuse Kriste:):)
What is your next linquistic,,pearl,,?

"Vlach (IPA: [vlɑːk] or [vlæk]) is a Slavic-derived term from the Germanic word Valah/Valach used to designate the Romance speaking peoples of South-Eastern Europe: Romanians, Aromanians, Megleno-Romanians and Istro-Romanians."

Why don't you look it up before you use it?

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 08:35 PM

Witch Croatian King was lost war?
Who make him to be King?

Again-please read something before take aditude:)
Where in this question is catch?
For start information-To became King in this time you must be recognised like King from Rome-Pope.
Well ones again:
1.Witch croatian King lose war?
2.Who make him to be King?

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 08:37 PM

"Vlach (IPA: [vlɑːk] or [vlæk]) is a Slavic-derived term from the Germanic word Valah/Valach used to designate the Romance speaking peoples of South-Eastern Europe: Romanians, Aromanians, Megleno-Romanians and Istro-Romanians."

Why don't you look it up before you use it?

I not need to look nothing.I see all this facts long long time before..and I know egsatly what I wrote:)
I wrote-did you are mix of turks and vlah?=serb?

T.Garrett

April 3rd, 2009, 09:00 PM

The Vlach Connection

Whether what the emperor Justinian did, in recovering North Africa and Italy for the Empire, was a good idea is still argued by historians. At the same time, it is a bit ridiculous to sneer at the Eastern emperors because they weren't properly Roman, somehow, and then simultaneously fault the one who goes out and recovers nearly half of the old West from the Germans. Nevertheless, what Justinian was and what he did contain important elements of how the medieval world was becoming different from the ancient, and how the later empire was different from the earlier.

What Justinian was is a large but little noted part of the story. He is supposed to have come from a Latin speaking family in Macedonia. Now, a Latin speaking family in, say, Spain would mean people whose language would eventually evolve into Spanish; in Gaul, into French; etc. A Latin speaking family in Macedonia would thus be people whose language would eventually evolve into the Romance languages called "Vlach" south of the Danube and, north of the Danube, Romanian. So, in short, Justinian was a Romanian, whether in the modern or the ancient sense. A Romanian emperor of Romania.

This leads into several issues.

Vlach is itself an interesting word. It seems to be a derivative from the same Germanic word cognate to welsch in German and Welsh in English, both meaning Roman, whether the Romans be Latin-speaking or Celtic-speaking. Vlach itself is Slavic (taking that form in Czech) and could mean Italian or Romanian, though the same word, with appropriate case endings, turns up in mediaeval Latin (Blachi) and Greek (Blakhoi, pronounced Vlakhi), only applied to the Romance speakers of the Balkans. It also occurs in Polish as Wloch, in Hungarian as Olasz, in Russian as Volokh, in Yiddish as Walach, and in various other forms even in those same languages (cf. "Vlach," A Dictionary of Surnames, Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges [Oxford University Press, 1988], p. 55. Vlach also significantly turns up in the name of the first Romanian principality: Wallachia (or sometimes "Walachia"). Thus, we can imagine the word being left behind in the Balkan Sprachbund by the German tribes during their stay in Eastern Europe and the Balkans.

For many centuries Vlach was a spoken and not a written language. When it was committed to writing, the Cyrillic alphabet was used, in line with the Orthodox faith of the people. Later, a national consciousness arose in the principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia, where the language came to be called "Romanian." The name was at first itself influenced by Turkish pronunciation, as Rumanian or Roumanian, but along with the adoption of the Latin alphabet and an attempt to Latinize the language more, the name also was more Latinized. For clarity, the language of modern Romania can be called Daco-Romanian. Several islands of Vlach speakers survive in Greece, Albania, and the former Yugoslavia, though the use of the word "Vlach" for these is dying out. Two islands of speakers in Albania and Greece are now said to speak Arumanian, while another island of speakers in Greek Macedonia and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia are said to speak Megleno-Rumanian. The Megleno-Rumanian speakers thus might be thought of as the descendants of Justinian's own people.

This throws an important perspective on the Eastern empire through the rest of its history. When Greek replaces Latin as the Court language under the emperor Heraclius, historians begin to think of the empire as a Greek empire, even as Western Europeans (Franks) tended to think of everyone in the empire as Greek. But of course nothing of the sort was true. Greek stood to the later empire just as Latin had stood to the earlier: the language of higher culture and universal communication, but not the spoken language of all the ethnic components of the whole. Greek had a bit of that role in the earlier empire as well: Marcus Aurelius did not become Greek because he kept his diary in that language. At the same time, real Mediaeval Greeks were even hesitant to call themselves Greeks: Hellenes, the Greek word for "Greeks," tended to imply the ancient pagan Greeks. Christian Greeks didn't need to call themselves anything but "Romans."

Besides Greeks, the later empire had a very large element of Armenians, other groups whose languages were not written until later, like Albanians and Vlach speakers, and finally other indigenous ethnic groups to whom there are occasional references, like the Isaurians and Phrygians, whose languages are not well attested and who actually disappear completely in the course of the Turkish conquest of Anatolia. Indeed, it is not clear just how and when many of the ancient indigenous peoples of Anatolia disappear or are assimilated -- people like the Phrygians, Lydians, Dacians, Galatians (who were Celts), Cappadocians, etc. After Basil II had finally conquered Bulgaria, a large Slavic element of Bulgars and Serbs, centuries after their having broken through the Danube frontier, was finally also integrated into the empire. Even the Latin Emperors in Constantinople, aware of the history and multi-ethnic nature of the Empire, still called it Romania.

Thus, while the modern Romanians preserve that identity as speakers of a Romance language, mediaeval Romania meant an empire of many peoples, united by the history of the Roman Empire and the Church, and simply governed in Greek. The greatest "Byzantine" dynasty, the Macedonians, starting with Basil I, seems to have actually been Armenian in origin, even as two of the in-law emperors in the same dynasty, Romanus I and John Tzimisces, were also. In this respect, again, the Roman Empire had assumed more fully the characteristic of a Hellenistic state -- which simply meant that anyone who learned Greek gained full political equality.

There is finally the mystery of the Daco-Romanian speakers in their current territory. The Romance speakers of the Balkans enter history in the 12th century as the Vlachs: When the second Bulgarian kingdom broke away from Romania in 1186, the revolt was led by the Asen brothers, who were Vlachs themselves. John Asen styled himself, in Latin, imperator omnium Bulgarorum et Blacorum. When the German emperor Frederick Barbarossa passed through in 1189, the Vlach element seemed predominant, since John was referred to as "emperor of the Vlachs and of the most part of the Bulgarians," "emperor of the Vlachs and Cumans," or "emperor of the Vlachs who was called by them emperor of Greece" [History of the Byzantine Empire, A.A. Vasiliev, University of Wisconsin Press, 1964, p.442]. The Asens may have emphasized the Bulgarian element simply because that was the independent institutional precedent, of state and church, that they were claiming.

Since we do not previously hear about Romance speakers in the Balkans in any mediaeval history, and Vlach at that point was still not a written language, these people seem to just pop up out of nowhere. Much the same is true of the Albanians. Even more mysterious is the appearance of the Romance speakers north of the Danube, which had largely been terra incognita for the previous thousand years. Thus, anyone would wonder what had happened. Romance speech means Roman colonization, and we have to go back all the way to the 2nd and 3th centuries to find out about that.

Since Romanian nationalism naturally identifies itself with the present land of Romania, and also with the pre-Roman inhabitants of Dacia -- the plateau protected on south and east by the Carpathian moutains -- it stoutly maintains that Daco-Romanians have occupied the same territory continuously. On the other hand, the Hungarians, who ruled Transylvania (the same plateau) from the founding of their own state all the way, except for the Turkish occupation, to 1918, like to claim that they were actually there first, and that the Romanians came in later. These competing political claims, which often have overtones of self-interested ethnic myth-making, make it very difficult for outsiders to evaluate the arguments -- anyone might be reasonably suspicious of what any of the Daco-Romanian or Hungarian sources say.

What we know from Roman sources is that the province of Dacia, conquered and colonized by Trajan in 106, was abandoned around 271. This was, as we have seen, a very bad period for the Romans, and Dacia was a salient into territory mostly surrounded by increasingly active enemies. With the Roman withdrawl, the area drops out of recorded history for many centuries, and notice of Romance speakers there doesn't occur until something like the 14th century. Texts in the Vlach/Romanian language don't occur until the 16th century. Across the void of the Transylvanian plateau and Carpathian mountains, mediaeval historians only notice the passage of nomads -- Germans (Goths and Gepids), Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Magyars, Patzinaks, Cumans, and, last but not least, the Mongols. The locations of Wallachia and Moldavia seem like virtual nomadic no-man's lands during much of the Middle Ages, with no literate culture and no civil organization or political authority apart from the nomadic empires.

While the Romans withdrew their legions, administrators, and many colonists, it does seem unlikely that all the inhabitants of Dacia, which before the Roman conquest had been a fairly unified and formidable state, would have left. Any unassimilated rural population, especially, would have had no particular reason to leave -- rule by some Germans might not have seemed worse, and perhaps better, than Roman rule. The archaeology reported by modern Romanians indicates a continuity of the material culture, even if urban areas decline precipitiously and there is little in the way of epigraphic material. Romanians like to point out that rural costume even today looks like the Dacian costume of Trajan's Column in Rome. Coin hoards indicate, especially for the 4th century, a continuing cash economy, which means continuing trade contact with the Empire. That even allowed for the penetration of some Christianity. What percentage of this remaining population was Latin speaking, and what percentage was still using the old Dacian language, is impossible, in the absence of the records of a literate culture, to say.

The withdrawn colonists, probably all or mostly Latin speaking, were settled just across the Danube in the Roman province of Moesia Superior (Upper Moesia). That province was later subdivided into Upper Moesia (Moesia I) and, of all things, Dacia. This is now in the part of Serbia south of the Danube and east of Belgrade. This Dacia was later subdivided in two. These provinces were then collected, with Upper Moesia and other nearby provinces into the Diocese of Dacia. In late Roman times the area was Latin speaking and outside where Greek was commonly used (cf. A History of the Byzantine State and Society, Warren Threadgold [Stanford University Press, 1997], p.6). It is not hard to imagine the contacts that continued between the inhabitants north of the Danube, Romanized to a greater or lesser extent, and those who had withdrawn to the south, even as late Roman trade crossed back and forth all along the Rhine-Danube frontier.

Not only did the original Dacia drop out of history in 271, but the later Dacias did so also, after the Avars and Slavs breached the Danube frontier and poured into the Balkans in 602. Only the conversion of Bulgaria to Christianity in 879, with the introduction of the Cyrillic alphabet, returned the region to literacy. As it happens, only one other place in the Roman Empire dropped out of history in quite the same way. That was Britain. The withdrawl of Roman forces in 410 drops Britain into a void very similar to that of the Dacias, and for a while all that is apparent is the descent of sea-going Germans -- the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. When literate culture returns, dramatically evident in the history of the English church written by the Venerable Bede in 731, we suddenly see the results. Roman Britain has disappeared from most of the island, with Romanized Celtic speakers pushed into Wales and Cornwall. The Cornish were under such pressure that many of them crossed over to Brittany. The Celtic speakers of Cornwall have today disappeared, but the Bretons are very much alive and aware of their past. Although the Angles and Saxons inherited the old Roman place names, and came to tell the King Arthur stories by which the conflicts of the 5th century were vaguely remembered, Saxon England owed little enough to the culture it had displaced.

Roman Britain survives in Wales and Brittany. Even pre-Roman culture survives in Spain, where the mountains in the North harbor the Basques, whose language has no obvious affinities to any other. This is revealing. The geography of England poses few obstacles to conquest, but both the Welsh and the Basques held out in mountains -- relatively modest mountains perhaps, no more than 3000 feet in Wales and not much more than 7500 feet on the south side of the Ebro valley in Spain (though over 11,000 feet in the nearby Pyrenees), but something that could impose significant costs to invaders -- in the Middle Ages, the Basque country was the basis of the long independent Kingdom of Navarre. Americans need only remember how the Appalachians, which don't get much over 6000 feet, originally hindered westward movement. The Transylvanian plateau, in comparison to these, provides a formidable redoubt. The Danube River itself tells the tale, since it must make a broad detour to the south, around the whole area. The southern branch of the Carpathians, the Transylvanian Alps, has peaks over 8000 feet high, and even the western side goes up to 6000 feet in the Bihor mountains. This makes it immediately obvious why nomads tended to pass around, like the Danube. Nomads like flat grasslands, which are present on the Hungarian plain and in the Danube Valley of Wallachia, but not in the mountains or up on the Transylvanian plateau. We should expect to find an autochthonous population in Daco-Romania just as must as in Wales or Navarre.

Consequently, it is no more difficult imagining the Dacians surviving than it is explaining the Welsh or the Basques. On the other hand, this makes it somewhat more difficult to explain why the original Dacian language would not have survived. The area of Daco-Romania was under Roman rule for a shorter time, about a century and a half, than Britain, about three and a half centuries, or than Spain, more like six and a half centuries. A Romance language did not take root in Britain, and even all the Romance dominance in Spain failed to entirely displace Basque.

So why does the pre-Roman language not survive in modern Romania? The relatively brief Roman occupation hardly seems like the kind of thing that could have done so thorough a job, especially in the face of the organization and resistance that the Dacians originally offered. Nor was it Roman policy to deliberately stamp out local languages -- that was just a side effect of Roman colonization and the use of Latin as the administrative, literary, and, later, religious (i.e. Roman Catholic) language. The dominance of Romance speech in Daco-Romania thus might require some other impetus of Latinization.

We may find that by asking what happened to all the Latin speakers south of the Danube, in the later Dacian provinces and diocese. If we look there now, one thing we find is that there are still Romance speakers. In the bend of the Danube River, where it breaks through the mountain barrier at the Iron Gate, which corresonds to the north part of the Roman Province of Dacia Ripensis, there is a Daco-Romanian speaking area even today, as part of Serbia. These are people who need not have moved in 1700 years. But most of the area of the Roman Dacias is occupied by speakers of Serbian or Bulgarian. On the other hand, the Vlach languages to the south, as I understand it, do not betray the influence of Greek that they should, had they originated in Macedonia and Albania. And there is, of course, the pocket of Istro-Rumanian, which is all the way West in Istria, which was part of Austria until World War I. Since all the Romance languages of the Balkans appear to come from one proto-language -- Proto-Romanian -- the dispersed pockets, like Arumanian, in Albania and Epirus, and Istro-Rumanian, must have originated in the same area. That looks to be the Late Roman Dacias. The event to have have scattered the languages would have been the Avar/Slavic breakthrough in 602.

Some of the people stayed more or less put, like the Welsh, while others scattered in the face of the invaders, like the Bretons. Since there are no historical records of this, as there are none for the Slavic migration itself, we are left with nothing but the evidence of the results. From Istro-Rumanian, we know that some went West. From Megleno-Rumanian and Arumanian, we know that some went South. However, the most obvious thing for them to do would have been to go north-east right back into the original Dacia. This was now no worse than heading south or west, which offered no real refuge (Roman authority having collapsed so completely), and could easily have been considered better, since they likely would have known from rumor that the invaders had mostly passed around the highlands.

Hidden from history, like other Dark Age migrations, the Roman evacuees from Dacia could well have, in returning, provided the additional impetus of Latinization that erased the vestiges of the ancient Dacian language. Nor need this have been an all-at-once process. It looks like mediaeval Serbia started a bit west of the Moesia region, in modern Bosnia, and gradually moved east. In the meantime, the Roman Dacias, which included parts of modern Bulgaria, like the city of Sofia (Roman Serdica), could well have remained largely Vlach. This seems to be no less than what we see in the age of the Asens. As the second Bulgarian empire declined, however, the Serbs pushed to the east. This may have motivated continued Vlach exodus. The continued movement of peoples even in the modern period is a claim of the Serbs themselves, who say that Albanians moved into Kosovo after the Turkish conquest. This is very possible. It also makes possible the movement from the Roman Dacias.

If this view of events is correct, then both Romanian and Hungarian nationalists are, after a fashion, correct. There was continuous Daco-Romanian occupation of Transylvania, and there was migration from what had been Roman Moesia, south of the Danube. Not south by much, however. The areas are still contiguous today. This is worse for Hungarian claims than for Romanian. What continued migration explains is the purely Romance character of Daco-Romanian.

It also explains something else, however, which is the nature of the Romanian Church. The early Daco-Romanians of Transylvanian did not convert en masse or in any organized way to Christianity, or we would have heard about their bishops at the Ecumenical Councils, and they very well could have been Arians, like the Goths. Nor did Daco-Romanians acquire the religion of the Hungarians, for that would have been allied to the Church of Rome, not of Constantinople. Instead, the Romanian Church goes back to the conversion of the Bulgars. The appearance of "Roumanian" in the Cyrillic alphabet, as well as the influence of Old Church Slavonic, the liturgical language of the Bulgarian Church, on Daco-Romanian, are all evidence of that. After the conquest of Bulgaria by Basil II and the century and a half of rule form Constantinople, the Bulgarian Church was revived by the Vlach Asens, with the Patriarchate at Trnovo. "The Primate of all Bulgaria and Vlakhia" (totius Bulgariae et Blachiae Primas, in Latin) is what the Patriarch called himself. This seat, and that of Russia, were the only independent Orthodox Churches authorized from Constantinople. As Bulgaria declined and Serbia arose, an independent Serbian Patriarchate was established at Peç (Kosovo) in 1346, just in time for the coronation of Stephan Dushan as "Tsar of the Serbs and Romans." Bulgaria, Serbia, and Wallachia, however, were soon all overrun by the Turks. By 1483, in the still, for the time being, independent Moldavia, there was metropolitan established in Suceava for the Romanian Orthodox Church. I have not found yet the year in which this was actually done, but the Romanian Church has been autonomous ever since [note]. The Orthodox faith of Romanians in Transylvania cannot have originated there except directly under the influence of the Bulgarians, who ruled it at the time of their conversion, or because of migration and influence of Vlachs, who had converted closer to the center of Bulgarian power. Once Transylvania passed to Hungary, any influence would have been for Catholicism, which evidently is something that we do not see.

This is about the best I can do, for the moment, with the mystery of the Dark Ages in both Daco-Romania and the Late Roman Dacias. It might not satisfy all Romanians, and certainly not many Hungarians, but dealing with such an issue, outside the sphere of historical records, is intrinsically speculative and uncertain. At the same time, it is nice that somewhere the name of "Romania" is preserved in a modern nation, and it is also well worth remembering that there were people in the Balkans who spoke Latin, as we understand from Justinian's own family.

http://www.friesian.com/decdenc2.htm

Cheers

1bobwhite1

April 3rd, 2009, 09:26 PM

OK
now someone can carryfull read what I wrote?:
I wrote-did you are mix of turks and vlah?=serb?
now after some historian lesons can we go back on theme?
thx

T.Garrett

April 3rd, 2009, 09:45 PM

OK
now someone can carryfull read what I wrote?:
I wrote-did you are mix of turks and vlah?=serb?
now after some historian lesons can we go back on theme?
thx
Wrong. From what I understand, then Croats would also be a mix of vlach and turk.

Show me proof of what you say, I have a historical interest in the Balkans.

Cheers

T.Garrett

April 3rd, 2009, 09:50 PM

Not meant as an insult but REAL Slavs write their native language in Cyrillic.

Cheers

Serbian

April 4th, 2009, 12:59 AM

Lets not be hypocritical and highly selective with who we chose to portray as the 'perennial victims of communism'.

It needs to be stated that at kocevski Rog Croat Tito's Communists murdered around 10,000 Slovenian Domobrans, 3,000 Serbian SDK Ljoticevci and over 2,000 Serbian Chetniks. This combined with the ethnic cleansing and murder of almost half a million Italians in Istria and Dalmatia {now Italian free and part of Croatia} and the atrocious mass murders of some 600,000 Serbs from 1941-1945 at the hands of the Catholic chauvinist Ustashas shows us that the Croat side was far from the innocent little victims that some in the west like to portray them as. I dont even want to get into all the mass graves in Serbia which Tito's commies filled with serb nationalists, intelectuals, business owners, priests, professors and other so called 'enemies of socialism' and the pointless slaughter of Serb youth at Sremski Front.

Now I dont want to start flame wars with croatian members as obviously they have their political goals and we have ours. Our two nations basically have unreconcilable differences and no calls for white or European unity will ever change that. It is best that we seperate and stay separated but unfortunately our pro EU government has bent over backwards to accommodate all of croatia's demands and the average Serb still holds no hatred for croats even though they have done so much damage to us.
One small example of the difference in mentality between Serbs and croats is that in Belgrade or any other place in Serbia you can walk around flying the croat flag and no one will harass you or even comment while in Croatia you will be attacked and beaten on the street if they even suspect you of being Serbian. That is the difference between us and them, they are obsessed with us while we dont even think about them. In my opinion it would be much better if we took a page from their book and began treating them exactly like they treat us.

Heks

April 4th, 2009, 12:59 AM

milions of bombers ... total devastation :D

Nato didnt helped Croatia...they fucked ous, we was on embargo - no weapons amigo, and all weapons in Serbs....uuuuu mama that was days, with hunting rifles, self made granates...all sorts of self made weapons...but we stoped Serbs....we needed 4 years to smuglle weapons or capture, and when we was ready we strike in glorius operation "storm" it was good day, glourious

Even with embargo, you did get weapons from Germany, a couple of air-planes full with rifles.

About football clubs, yes they have red star so what? It is in their history, they can't change that.
Most fans from that clubs were in Arkan Tigers.

Now about NATO, in the last couple of years, every nation who was againt's Serbs and Serbia NATO helped them.
'99 after NATO bombed the army they realized that we will not surrender that easy, so those bastards start to bomb civilians objects like hospitals, schools, kinder garden and normal houses.
Serbian Army hold the whole Kosovo till the end of the war, Albanians were not problem to us, because they are one undiscipline people with no courage, they don't have the balls, they are something like animals, and btw they are not white! They have some % of white blood in their veins but that just it.
The problem was NATO (19 countries in that time) bombing us, but still we manage to hold 78 days, with minimal Army loses(tanks, infranty, etc.)
We even take down the famous F117A and damage B2A "spirit" bomber and a couple of smaller aircraft's, alto the were technological better.
But Milosevics, had to sing a peace agreement, because he didn't want civilians do die anymore.
And i will ask for our neighbours to not talking about Serbian history, especially about 1999, because they don't know shit.

Serbian

April 4th, 2009, 01:09 AM

Yes Heks, We could also get into the American planning and military/political support for so called Operation Storm in 1995 against RSK and the NATO strikes in support of joint Bosnian muslim Croat Army and HVO forces against Republika Srpska back in 1994-95. There is so much info about these events {the old National Vanguard site also had some good articles on these issues} but again I dont want to begin with another round of infamous Serbo croat internet flame wars, they are boring, predictable and not too many people outside the region give a shit.

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 01:09 AM

Even with embargo, you did get weapons from Germany, a couple of air-planes full with rifles.

About football clubs, yes they have red star so what? It is in their history, they can't change that.
Most fans from that clubs were in Arkan Tigers.

Now about NATO, in the last couple of years, every nation who was againt's Serbs and Serbia NATO helped them.
'99 after NATO bombed the army they realized that we will not surrender that easy, so those bastards start to bomb civilians objects like hospitals, schools, kinder garden and normal houses.
Serbian Army hold the whole Kosovo till the end of the war, Albanians were not problem to us, because they are one undiscipline people with no courage, they don't have the balls, they are something like animals, and btw they are not white! They have some % of white blood in their veins but that just it.
The problem was NATO (19 countries in that time) bombing us, but still we manage to hold 78 days, with minimal Army loses(tanks, infranty, etc.)
We even take down the famous F117A and damage B2A "spirit" bomber and a couple of smaller aircraft's, alto the were technological better.
But Milosevics, had to sing a peace agreement, because he didn't want civilians do die anymore.
And i will ask for our neighbours to not talking about Serbian history, especially about 1999, because they don't know shit.

This is what I read - Serbia's problem isn't military losses, by all standards it seems Serbia is a master at warfare . The reason , as I understand it, for stopping the war was because too many Serbian civilians were being killed by NATO and Albanian Turkic dogs. To be honest it surprises me not that Serbs did the same to those niggers. I wouldn't spare those who kill my people either.

One small example of the difference in mentality between Serbs and croats is that in Belgrade or any other place in Serbia you can walk around flying the croat flag and no one will harass you or even comment while in Croatia you will be attacked and beaten on the street if they even suspect you of being Serbian. That is the difference between us and them, they are obsessed with us while we dont even think about them. In my opinion it would be much better if we took a page from their book and began treating them exactly like they treat us.

That is because you are Aryans and Croats are merely wannabes. Serbia doesn't fixate on its significance to the world, it simply accepts the part it has (Which is by no means small or insignificant) which is why Russia respects Serbia, Serbia is regal and above pettiness.

Yes Heks, We could also get into the American planning and military/political support for so called Operation Storm in 1995 against RSK and the NATO strikes in support of joint Bosnian muslim Croat Army and HVO forces against Republika Srpska back in 1994-95. There is so much info about these events {the old National Vanguard site also had some good articles on these issues} but again I dont want to begin with another round of infamous Serbo croat internet flame wars, they are boring, predictable and not too many people outside the region give a shit.

Well to be honest I would be interested in reading abut it and I could care less what the Croats say, I have lost any interest in listening to their side as I have understood that they are like our Kavkaz neighbors in many ways.

Serbian

April 4th, 2009, 01:22 AM

Well to be honest I would be interested in reading abut it and I could care less what the Croats say, I have lost any interest in listening to their side as I have understood that they are like our Kavkaz neighbors in many ways.

Maybe I'll open up a thread about it on the Serb forum in the future.
This is after all the croat section and we are their guests so we need to treat them with a little respect :D

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 01:28 AM

Maybe I'll open up a thread about it on the Serb forum in the future.
This is after all the croat section and we are their guests so we need to treat them with a little respect :D

Look in the tags, I can understand a little Serbian so I think you can understand a little Russian. That's my respect for them :D

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 01:40 AM

russian?hehehehehe now I understand you well..and your word like fuck catholicisam...well my dear ,,white brother,,-fuck your ortox shit
hee is some nice video for you..and beliewe me probably this times will come back:)
YouTube - Hrvatski dobrovoljci u njemaÄkoj vojsci - Drugi svjetski rat
And you can be shure that Croats will be on (how you say? west?)west side..On catolic,and protestant side...against east-like manny time in history.

Serbian

April 4th, 2009, 01:41 AM

Look in the tags, I can understand a little Serbian so I think you can understand a little Russian. That's my respect for them :D

Don't get them angry:D

Serbian

April 4th, 2009, 01:48 AM

And you can be shure that Croats will be on (how you say? west?)west side..On catolic,and protestant side...against east-like manny time in history.

Babbling on about Protestant/Catholic versus Orthodox

Man you are completely lost in time.:)

Are you even aware of the situation in toadys WN/NS movement in Europe?
Do you know where the conditions for a massive uprising against JOG are greatest?

You have a lot to learn about the goings on in this so called movement.

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 01:49 AM

here is some more
YouTube - Croats Bombing Leningrad 1942

and finaly don't forget-Croats go there to fight against comunism-soviet..not against ordinary russians..
But don't worry-Croats not to mutch impress with any bigerst:)even russian.
And how I say before-without any doubt you can be shure if come on war betwen our two civilisation(ortox and west cristianity)you can be shure on witch side Croats will be:)
solute my dear ,,white ortox brothers,,

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 01:54 AM

Serbian

April 4th, 2009, 02:07 AM

Babbling on about Protestant/Catholic versus Orthodox

Man you are completely lost in time.

Are you even aware of the situation in toadys WN/NS movement in Europe?
Do you know where the conditions for a massive uprising against JOG are greatest?

You have a lot to learn about the goings on in this so called movement
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yes my dear frend...I know:)
And also I know how I will talk with someone who say anything about my religion...
So psiho and yours brothers...you can just soucking my catholic dick!
And beliewe me..I really want(after your words)find you on ,,4 augen)face to face..after that-you can be shure-you will newer put words catolicsm in in your dirty-pogan asian east mouth!

Learn to quote properly.

Where did I attack your religion? I am not even an Orthodox Chritian and such thing don't interest me.

Now of course I am against the philo-semitic stance of the Catholic Church but we can also find this stance in the Protestant and Orthodox church so Im not singling out only Catholics.

bmwbiker

April 4th, 2009, 02:07 AM

Not meant as an insult but REAL Slavs write their native language in Cyrillic.

Cheers

Cyrilic is latters (font) mad by Cirill an d Method, two preasts who spread Cristian religion, it is interesant that Cirill and Method was pupiles in Croatian Island Krk in monostary, there those two learn Croatian and invented Glagoljica ...first font of cirillic

Croatian Glagolitic alphabet has a long and interesting history of more than a thousand years. The Croats using the Glagolitic alphabet were the only nation in Europe who was given a special permission by Pope Innocent IV (in 1248) to use their own language and this script in liturgy. More precisely, this permission had formally been given to the bishop Philip of Senj. However, special care accorded by the Vatican to the Glagolitic liturgy in subsequent centuries (even by publishing several Glagolitic missals in Rome), shows that this privilege applied to all Croatian lands using the Glagolitic liturgy, mostly along the coast. As is well known, the Latin had been the privileged language in religious ceremonies in the Catholic Church until the 2nd Vatican Synod held in 1962-1965, when it was decided to allow vernacular national languages to be used in the Catholic liturgy instead of Latin. It is interesting that even today the Glagolitic liturgy is used in some Croatian churches.
http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/et03.html

Croats was have allways privileged status in Vatican, as history said, Croatian curch mases was on Croatian lingo..many time before "reformation in Europe"

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 02:09 AM

and finaly don't forget-Croats go there to fight against comunism-soviet..not against ordinary russians..
And you post the bombing of civilians are your support of this? You're a retard. Refer to tags again, that's what you deserve.

But don't worry-Croats not to mutch impress with any bigerst:)even russian.
And how I say before-without any doubt you can be shure if come on war betwen our two civilisation(ortox and west cristianity)you can be shure on witch side Croats will be:)
solute my dear ,,white ortox brothers,,
I am not Orthodox and I know that the Germans do not want war with us. Don't expect there to be any West vs East but if you are going to continue being backward niggers you will get a bomb on your head that will be much larger than all of the ones you dropped combined and no one will survive so stop being a backward nigger and join us in the modern movement you sod. Your war is that of religion my war is that of race, you shall perish as a servant of the semitic religion.

yes my dear frend...I know:)
And also I know how I will talk with someone who say anything about my religion...
So psiho and yours brothers...you can just soucking my catholic dick!
And beliewe me..I really want(after your words)find you on ,,4 augen)face to face..after that-you can be shure-you will newer put words catolicsm in in your dirty-pogan asian east mouth!
Fuck off and die you uncouth Christard.

Cyrilic is latters (font) mad by Cirill an d Method, two preasts who spread Cristian religion, it is interesant that Cirill and Method was pupiles in Croatian Island Krk in monostary, there those two learn Croatian and invented Glagoljica ...first font of cirillic

Croatian Glagolitic alphabet has a long and interesting history of more than a thousand years. The Croats using the Glagolitic alphabet were the only nation in Europe who was given a special permission by Pope Innocent IV (in 1248) to use their own language and this script in liturgy. More precisely, this permission had formally been given to the bishop Philip of Senj. However, special care accorded by the Vatican to the Glagolitic liturgy in subsequent centuries (even by publishing several Glagolitic missals in Rome), shows that this privilege applied to all Croatian lands using the Glagolitic liturgy, mostly along the coast. As is well known, the Latin had been the privileged language in religious ceremonies in the Catholic Church until the 2nd Vatican Synod held in 1962-1965, when it was decided to allow vernacular national languages to be used in the Catholic liturgy instead of Latin. It is interesting that even today the Glagolitic liturgy is used in some Croatian churches.
http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/et03.html

Croats was have allways privileged status in Vatican, as history said, Croatian curch mases was on Croatian lingo..many time before "reformation in Europe"
Vatican= NATO of yesterday, do Croat ever get off their knees?

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 02:10 AM

I not say that you say something about my religion..I say that to your ortox brother psychologicalshock.
So, don't tray put words in my mouth what I not say

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 02:15 AM

And you post the bombing of civilians are your support of this? You're a retard. Refer to tags again, that's what you deserve.

I am not Orthodox and I know that the Germans do not want war with us. Don't expect there to be any West vs East but if you are going to continue being backward niggers you will get a bomb on your head that will be much larger than all of the ones you dropped combined and no one will survive so stop being a backward nigger and join us in the modern movement you sod. Your war is that of religion my war is that of race, you shall perish as a servant of the semitic religion.

Your fater and fucking mother is semitic...And you really beliewe that some Croat can be servant to your parents?ortodox one?hahahahahaha
wake up my dear,,white brother,,
And beliewe me-we know egsactly whay we lost WW II..but if come same time again...probably our really brothers(catholic and protestans)today will know egsactly on witch side they must go and not buy jewish propaganda again and not go on themself really brothers

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 02:20 AM

Your fater and fucking mother is semitic...And you really beliewe that some Croat can be servant to your parents?ortodox one?hahahahahaha
Neither I or my male relatives are Orthodox , unsurprisingly my female relatives are but probably because believing in a sky boogie man is a feminine thing that's more related with ego and feelings than truly masculine things. Your over obsession with it shows what a cunt you are. Take some testosterone you pussy.

wake up my dear,,white brother,,
And beliewe me-we know egsactly whay we lost WW II..but if come same time again...probably our really brothers(catholic and protestans)today will know egsactly on witch side they must go and not buy jewish propaganda again and not go on themself really brothers
Honestly, what significance do you have? Your whole army would be destroyed in one bombing run against a real foe

Unsurprisingly, the Serbs on this forum are well-spoken and careful with their grammar while the Croats sound like they're from fucking Tunisia. If you can't speak a language at least run your god damn jibber-jabber through a word processor first . Just more proof as to how dumb you are.

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 02:21 AM

And you post the bombing of civilians are your support of this?
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in war name of this shit is ,,colaterated victims,,

Fuck off and die you uncouth Christard.
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fuck and die you ortox east garbage of Europe.Beter is for you and for all another white europiasn nation that you move where you belong-in asia

nd finally-my dear ,,white brother,,
You talking with Croat!!!
So don't tray to talk with me with friten ton-because you just lost time...You freited me with bombs?
I fuck you,your religion and your bombs.And all your family.

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 02:28 AM

Unsurprisingly, the Serbs on this forum are well-spoken and careful with their grammar while the Croats sound like they're from fucking Tunisia. If you can't speak a language at least run your god damn jibber-jabber through a word processor first . Just more proof as to how dumb you are.
---------------------------------------------------------
Hahahahaha
My dear ,,white europian,,frend.
1.you come on croatian part of forum
2.english is't my mother language, but I try to wrote because I just not want to disipoited you and leave you without answer...If you get ,,home education from your parents,, you will know that is basicly tings in bon-ton basic tings of good behaviour.
3. If you take conclusion that I am dumb because I not use word processor and english is't my mother language...well my ,,white europian frend,,that just show to all of us how clewer you are and how good your -breeding, education, nurture, upbringing
- is:)

bmwbiker

April 4th, 2009, 02:30 AM

Unsurprisingly, the Serbs on this forum are well-spoken and careful with their grammar while the Croats sound like they're from fucking Tunisia. If you can't speak a language at least run your god damn jibber-jabber through a word processor first . Just more proof as to how dumb you are.

what you exepted from one biker who spending some winter time on net, and few war veterans and skinhead ha ha ha... we arent pepole who will talk, and talk, we are working on "ours" cause.

You should find some pussy .... it is fun, and you can make an white kid if you like, that is more fun...dont wanking off ..

My sugestion to you: find some job, and find some pussy...throw pills away and dont go to to yours mental institution on consultations..it is call here: live man and be happy!!!

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 02:36 AM

nd finally-my dear ,,white brother,,
You talking with Croat!!!
So don't tray to talk with me with friten ton-because you just lost time...You freited me with bombs?
I fuck you,your religion and your bombs.And all your family.

haha funny to be threatened by a dwarf nationality.You could tie Russia's hands behind its back and it would still kick you around like a football. I suggest you make your peace with Serbs and us before a NS comes to power and winds up one good punch to your face to end your miserable existence. Don't think I am joking, quit being petty and we wont harm you.

bmwbiker

April 4th, 2009, 02:38 AM

Maybe I'll open up a thread about it on the Serb forum in the future.
This is after all the croat section and we are their guests so we need to treat them with a little respect :D

Please dont be so kind...this is free forum, not like Stormfront...speak your mind

I would prisiate more that you speak yours true standings and understandings of world around ous, truth is NS, lies and pretending is for Jews..be good honest white pepole..

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 02:43 AM

hahahaha
you really ting that croats scare of you????????????hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
my dear white europian ortox brother...I kill couple rusians in Homeland War in Croatia(they try to fight against Croats-they must tray to help serbs ortox brothers hehehe)...and beliewe me-they have blood down of scean-same like another really europians

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 02:44 AM

Hahahahaha
My dear ,,white europian,,frend.
1.you come on croatian part of forum
2.english is't my mother language,
Neither is it mine.

but I try to wrote because I just not want to disipoited you and leave you without answer...If you get ,,home education from your parents,, you will know that is basicly tings in bon-ton basic tings of good behaviour.
I am fine with people I like.

3. If you take conclusion that I am dumb because I not use word processor and english is't my mother language...well my ,,white europian frend,,that just show to all of us how clewer you are and how good your -breeding, education, nurture, upbringing
- is:)
I don't think I am better than anyone else and even if I did think that it'd be pointless telling others that wouldn't it? For others to reaffirm my superiority would suggest that I am not very superior to begin with.

hahahaha
you really ting that croats scare of you????????????hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
my dear white europian ortox brother...I kill couple rusians in Homeland War in Croatia(they try to fight against Croats-they must tray to help serbs ortox brothers hehehe)...and beliewe me-they have blood down of scean-same like another really europians

I doubt that in the future you will even get to see anyone, you'll be dead before you even realize it :)

And I bet you're full of shit, if you had met a Russian he'd likely would have killed you , you Catholic pussy, I bet you can't even point a gun at a man without your knees giving out. In the case that it is true it will be most excellent when you get killed, the feeling of justice when a villain dies is indescribable- second to only love.

bmwbiker

April 4th, 2009, 02:49 AM

You could tie Russia's hands behind its back and it would still kick you around like a football.

????????? are you normal...russians are worst players in the world...they are tragic...

With Russia Croatia is playing with young squad, we think on that game as good shooting practice...http://www.hrvatskinacionalisti.org/forum/images/smilies/441829.gif

I suggest you make your peace with Serbs and us before a NS comes to power and winds up one good punch to your face to end your miserable existence. Don't think I am joking, quit being petty and we wont harm you. .

??????? you are on some bad drogs or borshioj is gone on acid, what you talking about????

do you ever been in Europe nad Russia???

do you know where is that on map???

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 02:50 AM

what you exepted from one biker who spending some winter time on net, and few war veterans and skinhead ha ha ha... we arent pepole who will talk, and talk, we are working on "ours" cause.

You should find some pussy .... it is fun, and you can make an white kid if you like, that is more fun...dont wanking off ..

My sugestion to you: find some job, and find some pussy...throw pills away and dont go to to yours mental institution on consultations..it is call here: live man and be happy!!!

My suggestion to you - be more like Serbs and less like yourselves.

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 02:52 AM

maybe he be in russia but in Europe?i don't tink so:)
Exept if he beliewe that ortox world belong in Europe:)

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 02:54 AM

My suggestion to you - be more like Serbs and less like yourselves.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

tell me-did you fuck something in USA?
you find some girlfrend there? What is name? Esmia?hahahahaha..well she is little be darker but who's care?you -accustom, habituate, inure, - to use this kind of asiat-african creature..and if she is + ortox..happynes not have end:)

kozacki kretenu.

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 02:55 AM

????????? are you normal...russians are worst players in the world...they are tragic...

With Russia Croatia is playing with young squad, we think on that game as good shooting practice..
Really? I don't care for sports like you sods do but I am looking at the UEFA winners and I don't see a single Croatian team while Russia has won twice in the past 3 years.

??????? you are on some bad drogs or borshioj is gone on acid, what you talking about????

do you ever been in Europe nad Russia???
I have been to both and probably in more countries than you.

do you know where is that on map???
Don't make me laugh I could tell you where any important country is, Luxembourg without a microscope might be tough but otherwise I am fine.

maybe he be in russia but in Europe?i don't tink so:)
Exept if he beliewe that ortox world belong in Europe:)

Fuck off with your semitic religious bullshit you crypto-kike.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

tell me-did you fuck something in USA?
you find some girlfrend there? What is name? Esmia?hahahahaha
kozacki kretenu.
Хуйрваты. Typical tsk tsk.

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 02:59 AM

psiho...tell me-did you even ask us(Croats)permision to talk with us?
BMW. jesi mu ti dao uopce dozvolu? Pa kaj sad moramo trpiti na nasim arijevskim stranicama i blezgarije od nekakvih kozaka????azijata???taras buljba? hahahahahahaha

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 03:00 AM

psiho...tell me-did you even ask us(Croats)permision to talk with us?
Permission? You should feel honored that I even bother with you subhumans.

By the way isn't it typical and ironic that all you guys care about is how much pussy I get? You're such typical negroids, what does it matter to you?

bmwbiker

April 4th, 2009, 03:04 AM

Neither is it mine.

.

but you are living on internet

I am fine with people I like.

.

do you inflate those pepole?

I don't think I am better than anyone else and even if I did think that it'd be pointless telling others that wouldn't it? For others to reaffirm my superiority would suggest that I am not very superior to begin with.
.
we understand that you arent superior, you are expandible

And I bet you're full of shit, if you had met a Russian he'd likely would have killed you , you Catholic pussy, I bet you can't even point a gun at a man without your knees giving out. In the case that it is true it will be most excellent when you get killed, the feeling of justice when a villain dies is indescribable- second to only love.

we met here many Russians, I have one my biker/nazi friend who have condo near myne house..he is cool guy, buissnisman, we ride often together....he is more scared of Croats than of Cossacks ha ha ha but we like him

and one pussy from Russia is always here: Abramowic is he a Jew? or ex KGB Agent?

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 03:06 AM

I have been to both and probably in more countries than you.

Хуйрваты. Typical tsk tsk.

Really?witch one?exept USA and rusia?kazahstan,magistan,and rest of this asia rusian empire?
Tell me you use fork for eating?spun?It's still noble in ortox world belch and fart after good meal?

bmwbiker

April 4th, 2009, 03:06 AM

Permission? You should feel honored that I even bother with you subhumans.

By the way isn't it typical and ironic that all you guys care about is how much pussy I get? You're such typical negroids, what does it matter to you?

it is free land....even for that wanking off retarded Cossacks...

What happen when you mix Cosasack and Chinese woman?

Retarded Cossacks

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 03:08 AM

It's still noble in ortox world belch and fart after good meal?
Sounds more like something a Croat would do, isn't that what was considered good with knights as well as not bathing for more than 2 times a year? Did Croats follow this tradition? Is this why you smell like shit?

it is free land....even for that wanking off retarded Cossacks...

What happen when you mix Cosasack and Chinese woman?

Retarded Cossacks

I am not sure why you attack Cossacks since I am not a Cossack but notice - they have to mix to become retarded, you are born retarded :D

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 03:09 AM

Well I am tired after so manny words with some kozak...BMW you must warning me before tjhat he is't russian-that he is just kozak.If I know that before I will stop this converstaion mutch mutch before.
But I spend my time because I beliewe if he is russian he will understand witch mistake he make when start with insulting...But now I know..kozak hahahaha and I traying and traying hahahaha

psychologicalshock

April 4th, 2009, 03:12 AM

Well I am tired after so manny words with some kozak...BMW you must warning me before tjhat he is't russian-that he is just kozak.If I know that before I will stop this converstaion mutch mutch before

Is running away what you Croats always do? Maybe that's why you need Uncle Sam with you at all times- to comfort you when the big bad Serb is about to kick your ass. :D

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 03:16 AM

Sounds more like something a Croat would do, isn't that what was considered good with knights as well as not bathing for more than 2 times a year? Did Croats follow this tradition? Is this why you smell like shit?

I am not sure why you attack Cossacks since I am not a Cossack but notice - they have to mix to become retarded, you are born retarded :D

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I see that you spend lot of time with your ortox brothers from asia hahahahahahaha
HEEEEy man...you talking with Croats!!!!!Wake up hahahahahahahahaha
You know with what you write?Pencile...You know who make first one? hahahaha
Did you put some tie on your neck sometime?You know who make this tie first?
Did you ewer hear for finger prits?what you tinking who find out this finger print like method for indetifivcation?
dis you know from who Zeppelin buy patent for Zeppelin-wecihle-for flying?
Did you ewer hear for Rudjer Boskovic?
hahaha kozak usrani hahahaha neodgojeni-treva VAS POBITI SKUP SA CIGANIMA STO I U KRAJNJOJ LINIJI JESTE

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 03:20 AM

Is running away what you Croats always do? Maybe that's why you need Uncle Sam with you at all times- to comfort you when the big bad Serb is about to kick your ass.

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YES..WITH LIPS HAHAHAHA
But I am little bet alergic on ortiox lips..so just continue to do this kisies with your serbian brothers:)
BMW..how we call this kisser here in Europe?pederi?

George Witzgall

April 4th, 2009, 03:50 AM

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I see that you spend lot of time with your ortox brothers from asia hahahahahahaha
HEEEEy man...you talking with Croats!!!!!Wake up hahahahahahahahaha
You know with what you write?Pencile...You know who make first one? hahahaha
Did you put some tie on your neck sometime?You know who make this tie first?
Did you ewer hear for finger prits?what you tinking who find out this finger print like method for indetifivcation?
dis you know from who Zeppelin buy patent for Zeppelin-wecihle-for flying?
Did you ewer hear for Rudjer Boskovic?
hahaha kozak usrani hahahaha neodgojeni-treva VAS POBITI SKUP SA CIGANIMA STO I U KRAJNJOJ LINIJI JESTE

I like you bob. fight the good fight. croatia forever.

1bobwhite1

April 4th, 2009, 08:15 AM

thx my Bro. I newer start with this kind of conversation but when somewhone start insult main religion or my nation...I can't be to pationts.And from whom come this ,,insultion,,? For some kozacs from asia...
White People from USA,Australia,Canada...just coset this asians...they beliewe that if they not have black colour of skin-eweriting is clear:)asians-turkish gipsies:(

A.P.H.

April 4th, 2009, 08:30 AM

@psychologicalshithead> get a life your byproduct of the golden horde...

Mark Kerpolt

April 4th, 2009, 08:32 AM

my grandfather who was in Wermacht say to me: just one nation is badest of all ... Communist Russians.
Dream on Hurwat boy, there were no dirty ass Hurwats in the Wehrmacht. There were only some in some in those smutty and highly unreliable (read: backstabbing) volunteer units in the Balkan.

bmwbiker

April 4th, 2009, 08:53 AM

Dream on Hurwat boy, there were no dirty ass Hurwats in the Wehrmacht. There were only some in some in those smutty and highly unreliable (read: backstabbing) volunteer units in the Balkan.

are you fucking retarded ???

and can you explain how you come on this retarded statment ?

was you in wermacht during 2WW?

:troll:tard:

Caoimhghain

April 4th, 2009, 07:27 PM

Mark Kerpolt

April 4th, 2009, 07:38 PM

are you fucking retarded ???

and can you explain how you come on this retarded statment ?

was you in wermacht during 2WW?

:troll:tard:
I was wondering about the exact same things. Since you were talking to yourself, you might as well provide some answers.

Caoimhghain

April 4th, 2009, 07:46 PM

I suggest you make your peace with Serbs and us before a NS comes to power and winds up one good punch to your face to end your miserable existence. Don't think I am joking, quit being petty and we wont harm you.:rolleyes: That's funny. I don't recall hearing of any WN joining Serbia's side in the Homeland War. Only Croatia's side.

Mark Kerpolt

April 4th, 2009, 07:56 PM

Robert Bandanza

April 4th, 2009, 07:57 PM

Ancient Greek: Ασπάλαθος, Aspálathos
Dalmatian: Spalatro
Italian: Spalato
Latin: Spalatum

http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=968887&postcount=143

Robert Bandanza

April 4th, 2009, 08:00 PM

:rolleyes: That's funny. I don't recall hearing of any WN joining Serbia's side in the Homeland War. Only Croatia's side.

Why do you care about the Balkan situation so much? Honestly, I do not give a damn about it too much. Are you not Irish? Patrick Pearse cared about Ireland first and nothing else. You do not seem to be that way.

Caoimhghain

April 4th, 2009, 08:17 PM

Because everybody was under the false impression it was ‘communists versus nazis.’ Just like there are false conceptions about the IRA, where some seem to believe the IRA are nationalists and racialists; but the truth is they're a bunch of nigger-loving marxist terrorist freaks.

Ustaše aren't ‘nazis,’ they're Catholic fundamentalist fallangists at most. They don't give a fuck about race, and they'll side with the biggest Jew out there (as they did (with NATO and the EU).
I didn't call the Ustaše 'Nazis'.

Caoimhghain

April 4th, 2009, 08:19 PM

Why do you care about the Balkan situation so much? Honestly, I do not give a damn about it too much. Are you not Irish? Patrick Pearse cared about Ireland first and nothing else. You do not seem to be that way.
I love Croats for many reasons, as do a lot of other Irishmen. For one thing, we have similar histories, fierce patriotism, Catholicism, and a fighting spirit among other things in common.

Robert Bandanza

April 4th, 2009, 08:23 PM

YouTube - Gesta Bellica Foibe

YouTube - FOIBE IO NON SCORDO

Robert Bandanza

April 4th, 2009, 08:25 PM

I love Croats for many reasons, as do a lot of other Irishmen. For one thing, we have similar histories, fierce patriotism, Catholicism, and a fighting spirit among other things in common.

Also, Communist like fake Irish Nationalists that wear Che t-shirts.

Caoimhghain

April 4th, 2009, 08:28 PM

Also, Communist like fake Irish Nationalists that wear Che t-shirts.

That's true, but we handle such things with steel toed boots here, as I'm sure they do in Hrvatska.:cool:

Mark Kerpolt

April 4th, 2009, 08:29 PM

It won't do the Irish cause any good to identify yourself with a bunch of Eurasian Avar Kavkaz nigger squatters...

Caoimhghain

April 4th, 2009, 08:32 PM

It won't do the Irish cause any good to identify yourself with a bunch of Eurasian Avar Kavkaz nigger squatters...

Meh- no one cares about us, so what the fuck do we care what people think about us anyways?

Caoimhghain

April 4th, 2009, 08:35 PM

YouTube - Gesta Bellica Foibe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8QUPi3f8oI)

YouTube - FOIBE IO NON SCORDO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Ks8I6Wu98)
Siete italiani?

Robert Bandanza

April 4th, 2009, 09:06 PM

Siete italiani?

Seven Italians? Spanish mixed with Italian?

Caoimhghain

April 4th, 2009, 09:11 PM

:Seven Italians? Spanish mixed with Italian?

:D Sorry, I was asking if you were Italian.

Robert Bandanza

April 4th, 2009, 09:19 PM

:

:D Sorry, I was asking if you were Italian.

A quarter, but mostly Irish(more than half, less than three quarters about)

Caoimhghain

April 4th, 2009, 09:25 PM

A quarter, but mostly Irish(more than half, less than three quarters about)

Good man yourself.:) Cheers.

1bobwhite1

April 5th, 2009, 01:59 AM

psi laju a kravani prolaze...kako ciganski:)

bmwbiker

April 5th, 2009, 01:15 PM

Ancient Greek: Ασπάλαθος, Aspálathos
Dalmatian: Spalatro
Italian: Spalato
Latin: Spalatum

http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=968887&postcount=143

ha ha ha..

English: Split

Croatian: Split

Russian: Split

Japanese: Split

ha ha ha i was withy you alleready explain what i think about communist killings and foibe.. but if you think thay you can change somthing..go man, you have my full support..atack those bastards who killed Italians and now live in theirs houses!! go man, attack them fast...

1bobwhite1

April 5th, 2009, 03:30 PM

YouTube - Gesta Bellica Foibe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8QUPi3f8oI)

YouTube - FOIBE IO NON SCORDO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Ks8I6Wu98)

O my frend...we tray all time to bring this comunist garbage front of court...but they is still to strong..They was infiltrate in ewery hol of sociate and we can cach them clearly....This criminals kill(after war)tousend and tousend people and just put this bodies in hols..caverns...Any mont we find some new mas grave...
But this criminals have big protection from europe because they represent themselfs like some kind of antifasist.And you know relation of power in today Europe.:(
They kill just croats AFTER war probably about 100 000 Croats.Not just ex soldiers..they kill also woman,childrens and old people.they kill without any court ewerybody who nor want to kiss them and new comunist gouverment

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 05:33 PM

:rolleyes: That's funny. I don't recall hearing of any WN joining Serbia's side in the Homeland War. Only Croatia's side.

the simple fact is besides some communist dickheads from russia, greece, and romania, nobody wanted to side with a communist garbage...

but on our side were nationalist from almost any european country (germany, france, danmark, holland, even english and irish men fought together against the communist scum)

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 05:37 PM

Ancient Greek: Ασπάλαθος, Aspálathos
Dalmatian: Spalatro
Italian: Spalato
Latin: Spalatum

http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=968887&postcount=143

dalmatian isnt a langauge, you apenin gypsy...

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 05:38 PM

Because everybody was under the false impression it was ‘communists versus nazis.’ Just like there are false conceptions about the IRA, where some seem to believe the IRA are nationalists and racialists; but the truth is they're a bunch of nigger-loving marxist terrorist freaks.

Ustaše aren't ‘nazis,’ they're Catholic fundamentalist fallangists at most. They don't give a fuck about race, and they'll side with the biggest Jew out there; as they did, with NATO and the EU.

the fact is we were loyal allies to germany and fought to the end on their side in croatia, russia and anywere else, and not against them like your nation and elite... so go and fuck youself, you kike-loving motherfucker...

1bobwhite1

April 5th, 2009, 05:39 PM

the simple fact is besides some communist dickheads from russia, greece, and romania, nobody wanted to side with a communist garbage...

but on our side were nationalist from almost any european country (germany, france, danmark, holland, even english and irish men fought together against the communist scum)

Romanians and greks fight on serbs side?hahahahahaortodox brothers:)
I have kill just some russians..not greks and romanians:(

And don't forget on our side Chehs,Hungarians,Austrinas and even some Slovenes:)

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 05:45 PM

It won't do the Irish cause any good to identify yourself with a bunch of Eurasian Avar Kavkaz nigger squatters...

kavkaz nigger, hmm its hard for you to accept your ancestors... how sad...

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 05:46 PM

YouTube - Gesta Bellica Foibe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8QUPi3f8oI)

YouTube - FOIBE IO NON SCORDO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Ks8I6Wu98)

how sad... poor poor apenin gypsys got killed by the communists... i couldnt care less...

Mark Kerpolt

April 5th, 2009, 05:56 PM

you kike-loving motherfucker...
To paraphrase nigger boy Obama, the leader of Amerikenya to which your worthless Hurwat Kavkaz nigger ‘people’ are eternally thankful: Yes you are!

So much for ‘loyalty’ to the Axis, you sick fuck; or is that Hurwat humor? (Akin to “Jewish humor”). You Hurwats will side with anything and anyone advancing your mongrel Kavkaz nigger ‘people.’ Just like fucking kikes.

You admitted yourself you Hurwats have no friendly neighbors, you solely rely on Amerikenya, NATO and the EU; international Jewry. It must be a Kavkaz nigger thang...

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 05:59 PM

To paraphrase nigger boy Obama, the leader of Amerikenya to which your worthless Hurwat Kavkaz nigger ‘people’ are eternally thankful: Yes you are!

So much for ‘loyalty’ to the Axis, you sick fuck; or is that Hurwat humor? (Akin to “Jewish humor”). You Hurwats will side with anything and anyone advancing your mongrel Kavkaz nigger ‘people.’ Just like fucking kikes.

You admitted yourself you Hurwats have no friendly neighbors, you solely rely on Amerikenya, NATO and the EU; international Jewry. It must be a Kavkaz nigger thang...

do yourself a favour and get lost degenerated motherfucking kike... your "bitching" is lame, and not in any kind interesting or inovative...

Mark Kerpolt

April 5th, 2009, 06:00 PM

how sad... poor poor apenin gypsys got killed by the communists... i couldnt care less...
So much for your earlier Hurwat lies that “Italians” are your regional friends/allies/whatever.

Hurwats have no friends, just their Amerikenyans associates and their Kavkaz nigger racial cousins constituting int'l. kikery.

1bobwhite1

April 5th, 2009, 06:01 PM

To paraphrase nigger boy Obama, the leader of Amerikenya to which your worthless Hurwat Kavkaz nigger ‘people’ are eternally thankful: Yes you are!

So much for ‘loyalty’ to the Axis, you sick fuck; or is that Hurwat humor? (Akin to “Jewish humor”). You Hurwats will side with anything and anyone advancing your mongrel Kavkaz nigger ‘people.’ Just like fucking kikes.

You admitted yourself you Hurwats have no friendly neighbors, you solely rely on Amerikenya, NATO and the EU; international Jewry. It must be a Kavkaz nigger thang...
hahahahaha who tell that to us? hahahahaha Tell me who is your frend from your neighbors???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Ewery your neighbor HATE you:) Not just neighbours.
Your best frends is Iranians, Serbs and belaRUS:) (arabs-muslim and agresive barbarian ortodox mix of turks and other asiats:):)
Go away and tray to be healt:)

Mark Kerpolt

April 5th, 2009, 06:02 PM

do yourself a favour and get lost degenerated motherfucking kike... your "bitching" is lame, and not in any kind interesting or inovative...
A century ago such talk wouldn't have been tolerated against a White person. You'd have been strung up like any potty mouthed nigger boy.

Remember now Hurwat, when Amerikenya falls, nobody will be there to protect your worthless asses. The Serbians will need salad, if you know what I mean. Because there will be plenty of meat to go around. It'll be a gigantic feast, nigger!

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 06:04 PM

So much for your earlier Hurwat lies that “Italians” are your regional friends/allies/whatever.

Hurwats have no friends, just Amerikenyans/int'l. kikery!

i never saw them as my "friends" nor do i see people like you... you are honourless scum...

our friends, are the one who came and supported us in the last war, so its obvious how many friends we have or "not"...

and because all of this get lost you worthless loser, because you dishohour all of them with you jewish bitching...

1bobwhite1

April 5th, 2009, 06:08 PM

A century ago such talk wouldn't have been tolerated against a White person. You'd have been strung up like any potty mouthed nigger boy.

Remember now Hurwat, then Amerikenya falls, nobody will be there to protect your worthless asses. The Serbians will need salad, if you know what I mean. Because there will be plenty of meat to go around. It'll be a gigantic feast, nigger!

hahahaha ,,salad,,?you mean serbian song:slobodane(milosevic ex president of serbia)send us salad..meat we have-we will slouth croats?
hahahahahaha How I say before..russians and serbs is same-barbarians ortodox..now you just confirm my words..and you add one more your ,,civilisated,, behaviour-canibalism..hahahahahaha even kafirs left canibalism :)

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 06:09 PM

A century ago such talk wouldn't have been tolerated against a White person. You'd have been strung up like any potty mouthed nigger boy.

Remember now Hurwat, then Amerikenya falls, nobody will be there to protect your worthless asses. The Serbians will need salad, if you know what I mean. Because there will be plenty of meat to go around. It'll be a gigantic feast, nigger!

oh see see we see here a fearless cyber warrior... you are just a miserable creature... pathetic...

and concerning "salad" its called "salata" you analphabet and come here and try to get some croatian "meso" with "salata"... i would like to see that, really...

Robert Bandanza

April 5th, 2009, 06:24 PM

how sad... poor poor apenin gypsys got killed by the communists... i couldnt care less...

What about the Jewish star on your national flag?

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 07:22 PM

What about the Jewish star on your national flag?

jewish star... :rofl:rofl:rofl

do humanity a favour, just kill yourself you ignorant fool...

psychologicalshock

April 5th, 2009, 07:52 PM

dalmatian isnt a langauge, you apenin gypsy...

Yes it is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

Robert Bandanza

April 5th, 2009, 08:16 PM

jewish star... :rofl:rofl:rofl

do humanity a favour, just kill yourself you ignorant fool...

By you calling me ignorant, i'll assume that you do agree that there is a Jewish star on it. What else is it supposed to be called then?

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 08:33 PM

Yes it is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

jewpedia :rofl
psychoshithead, their is no dalmatian language, not even a dialect... you moronic tard...

A.P.H.

April 5th, 2009, 08:38 PM

By you calling me ignorant, i'll assume that you do agree that there is a Jewish star on it. What else is it supposed to be called then?

you are a ignorant, with the knowledge of a zulu tribesmen... nah i take it back, because this would be a too harsh insult to the zulu nigger, cuz your intellectual is on the level of a mealworm...

before embrassing yourself even more, try with some research, you know google helps even fulltards like you...

Serbian

April 5th, 2009, 10:53 PM

psychologicalshock

April 6th, 2009, 12:06 AM

Boy what a cool thread, I read every single post and Im laughing my ass off.:D

But seriously guys, I think that some of you are being just a little too hard on the croats here. These croat members on VNN are actually quite civilized and restrained compared to some of the antics their countrymen get up to on other WN forums. We should cut them some slack, I mean sure they use foul abusive incoherent language, post false propaganda, make the occasional threats {Bobwhite:)} and provocations but at least they liven up the place. They are colourful characters, especially BMX Biker and the disabled war veteran BobWhite who is a living breathing human cartoon.:D

It's good that you see them as a joke because that's how I see them. :D

bmwbiker

April 6th, 2009, 12:56 AM

Yes it is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

I live there..psyidiot...and Dalmatian is Croatian lingo...

From where are you..???

what is yours proud roots?

bmwbiker

April 6th, 2009, 01:05 AM

Boy what a cool thread, I read every single post and Im laughing my ass off.:D

But seriously guys, I think that some of you are being just a little too hard on the croats here. These croat members on VNN are actually quite civilized and restrained compared to some of the antics their countrymen get up to on other WN forums. We should cut them some slack, I mean sure they use foul abusive incoherent language, post false propaganda, make the occasional threats {Bobwhite:)} and provocations but at least they liven up the place. They are colourful characters, especially BMX Biker and the disabled war veteran BobWhite who is a living breathing human cartoon.:D

and you comming as chrey on cake...

With yours inteligent and bright posts we all are impresed, expecialy when we seen that Comedy 18 signature

provocations is make some fun..i agre on that

PS. my kids are driving BMX - that is a bike, you dont have that in Serbia, or that type of bike is call there: БМX

A.P.H.

April 6th, 2009, 06:04 AM

Boy what a cool thread, I read every single post and Im laughing my ass off.:D

But seriously guys, I think that some of you are being just a little too hard on the croats here. These croat members on VNN are actually quite civilized and restrained compared to some of the antics their countrymen get up to on other WN forums. We should cut them some slack, I mean sure they use foul abusive incoherent language, post false propaganda, make the occasional threats {Bobwhite:)} and provocations but at least they liven up the place. They are colourful characters, especially BMX Biker and the disabled war veteran BobWhite who is a living breathing human cartoon.:D

a comedy 18 member thinks he can shit on others... even your organisation its the fucking greatest joke on earth...
do you wish me to post some pictures and movies about the german affinity towards your people, which manifaste itself in massexecutions alla hanging, shooting in the backhead etc...:rofl

A.P.H.

April 6th, 2009, 06:08 AM

It's good that you see them as a joke because that's how I see them. :D

kike cossack thinks he is somewhat smart, no you arent you vaginal outflow of the golden horde...

Mark Kerpolt

April 6th, 2009, 06:55 AM

“Kike Cossack,” that's some of the nuttiest shit I've ever heard. On par with Hurwats being Aryan almost.

Serbian

April 6th, 2009, 07:17 AM

a comedy 18 member thinks he can shit on others... even your organisation its the fucking greatest joke on earth...
do you wish me to post some pictures and movies about the german affinity towards your people, which manifaste itself in massexecutions alla hanging, shooting in the backhead etc...:rofl

You mean executions of communist bandits and their supporters?

Germany had no problem with Serbia, in fact we were Hitler's first choice as allies but unfortunately for us {and fortunately for you croats} the British threw a spanner in the works and destroyed everything. This paved the way for the ustasha criminals to emerge from the margins and become a relevant factor.

Serbian

April 6th, 2009, 07:18 AM

and you comming as chrey on cake...

With yours inteligent and bright posts we all are impresed, expecialy when we seen that Comedy 18 signature

provocations is make some fun..i agre on that

PS. my kids are driving BMX - that is a bike, you dont have that in Serbia, or that type of bike is call there: БМX

Forgive my ignorance I thought you were a bmx bandit.:)

Karl Von Clausewitz!

April 6th, 2009, 08:14 AM

do you wish me to post some pictures and movies about the german affinity towards your people, which manifaste itself in massexecutions alla hanging, shooting in the backhead etc...:rofl

This is not entirely true, A.P.H. Nedić's Serbia served the Wehrmacht and National Socialist Germany well, it's battle against Communist Partisans and Tito were fundamental in Establishing a long term role for Wehrmacht operations.

It would also bode well, if we are a bit more realistic about this, and accept the fact that not all of Croatia welcomed the Germans into their territory, and several Croatian communist parties fought against the Wehrmacht. Also that there were in fact, more Croatian partisan detachments in support of Tito than there had been Serbians.

Detachments list by republic:

Bosnian and Herzegovina (59) (http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/yugoslavia/detachment/partisan/bosnia-and-herzegovina/)
Croatia (72) (http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/yugoslavia/detachment/partisan/croatia/)
Macedonia (20) (http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/yugoslavia/detachment/partisan/macedonia/)
Montenegro (14) (http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/yugoslavia/detachment/partisan/montenegro/)
Slovenia (29) (http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/yugoslavia/detachment/partisan/slovenia/)
Serbia (41) (http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/yugoslavia/detachment/partisan/serbia/)
Kosovo (6) (http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/yugoslavia/detachment/partisan/kosovo/)
Vojvodina (36) (http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/yugoslavia/detachment/partisan/vojvodina/)
Croatia - Late 1944
Fighters - Nationality
100740 - 60703 Croats
24528 Serbs (http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/yugoslavia/statistics/partisans/)

German/Serbian treatment of Communist partisans in Serbia, cannot be used as a proof of German sentiments regarding Serbian people. If it could, then we could equally say their sentiments for Croatia were less than desirable on the same premise.

bmwbiker

April 6th, 2009, 08:26 AM

Forgive my ignorance I thought you were a bmx bandit.:)

that is my kid...and when he make kill his first "mud" daddy will buy him a big BMW bike:D

A.P.H.

April 6th, 2009, 10:21 AM

You mean executions of communist bandits and their supporters?

Germany had no problem with Serbia, in fact we were Hitler's first choice as allies but unfortunately for us {and fortunately for you croats} the British threw a spanner in the works and destroyed everything. This paved the way for the ustasha criminals to emerge from the margins and become a relevant factor.

not serbia you dumbfuck but kingdom of sugoslavia, but your smart ass generals decided to become masonic puppets...
ehm yea, do you still remember "bolje rat nego pakt" protests, have i to translate it? you fucking comedy 18 tard...

A.P.H.

April 6th, 2009, 10:32 AM

This is not entirely true, A.P.H. Nedić's Serbia served the Wehrmacht and National Socialist Germany well, it's battle against Communist Partisans and Tito were fundamental in Establishing a long term role for Wehrmacht operations.

It would also bode well, if we are a bit more realistic about this, and accept the fact that not all of Croatia welcomed the Germans into their territory, and several Croatian communist parties fought against the Wehrmacht. Also that there were in fact, more Croatian partisan detachments in support of Tito than there had been Serbians.
German/Serbian treatment of Communist partisans in Serbia, cannot be used as a proof of German sentiments regarding Serbian people. If it could, then we could equally say their sentiments for Croatia were less than desirable on the same premise.

true, but the general public opinion towards the german forces and germany were significant different in croatia and servia. declining this would be historical forgery...

in zagreb they were welcomed as friends and allies, in servia with rifles, thats the reason why they established the 100 for 1 system, 100 servian lifes for 1 killed german soldier, something like that was never sawn on our territory..

concerning nedic, yes he was the leader of servia (installed by WM, but at the beginning of the war he fought even against germans), nvm servs should be thankfull that he was capable to expell the communist scum from servia, one interesting fact is that he had cooperated with croatia...

Karl Von Clausewitz!

April 6th, 2009, 11:33 AM

A.P.H.

April 6th, 2009, 02:04 PM

Certainly won't venture to deny that at all, would be natural since Serbians held the higher caste of the Yugoslav system, I believe. It would be a natural reaction of those in esteemed position to resist a foreign entity...I won't fault them for this reaction.

As far as the Communist partisans are concerned, they are the least of my worries, I tend to make distinctions between Communist agitators and the Serbian population as a whole. Serbians may have held an opinion of concern or dislike for Germans, but their motives for resisting were different than that of the Communist agitators.

That interesting fact should be the one thing to focus on.:D

there are many interesting facts besides this, but its offtopic, if you want to discuss/are interested in some other aspects then make a new thread... :)

psychologicalshock

April 6th, 2009, 03:09 PM

I live there..psyidiot...and Dalmatian is Croatian lingo...

From where are you..???

what is yours proud roots?

Uh right, an Italic language is Croatian lingo? Stfu you idiot, Dalmatia back to Italy! It has nice resorts and id rather see North Italians there when I go than a bunch of Croatian mobsters.

psychologicalshock

April 6th, 2009, 03:11 PM

that is my kid...and when he make kill his first "mud" daddy will buy him a big BMW bike:D

I don't think dead kids need bikes.

bmwbiker

April 6th, 2009, 04:41 PM

Uh right, an Italic language is Croatian lingo? Stfu you idiot, Dalmatia back to Italy! It has nice resorts and id rather see North Italians there when I go than a bunch of Croatian mobsters.

yust ansewer damn questions,you dont need to be smart ass, when we all knows that you are loser..

From where are you..???

what is yours proud roots?

1bobwhite1

April 6th, 2009, 05:58 PM

Uh right, an Italic language is Croatian lingo? Stfu you idiot, Dalmatia back to Italy! It has nice resorts and id rather see North Italians there when I go than a bunch of Croatian mobsters.

vau vau...grrrr...vau vau
hahahahahahahahahahaha
my dear asian ,,frend,,..We are ready for ewerybody who want to take 1 cm2
of our Homeland. So,when I say eweryone that not mean just for some nation..that included also volonters who want help them:)
Well, when they tray to take any part of our land-you are freely to join them:) With bobms any kind...We are unpationts and we just waiting...
welcome

psychologicalshock

April 6th, 2009, 06:00 PM

Bob brown shut up or ill come over and make you even more of a cripple than you already are.

1bobwhite1

April 6th, 2009, 06:11 PM

what ewer you want...I will just call sanitar services to remove you...or you beliewe that some croat want use themselfs hand for bugs like you kavkazians ortodox garbage is?...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
they will just put you in same cave -asilium...and put some gas inside:)
And make soap of you after and export to sebialand hahahahahaha
mars-smece jedno...majmuni ste bili i ostali
ortodox schweiner

A.P.H.

April 6th, 2009, 06:49 PM

A.P.H.

April 6th, 2009, 06:50 PM

Bob brown shut up or ill come over and make you even more of a cripple than you already are.

threats over the internet, thats very brave, a real cyber warrior we have here... now im sure that you are either a kike or a mohamedian...

psychologicalshock

April 6th, 2009, 06:52 PM

It's not a threat, it's a condition, if you Hurwats act civilized we will be less cruel towards you in the future!

A.P.H.

April 6th, 2009, 06:54 PM

It's not a threat, it's a condition, if you Hurwats act civilized we will be less cruel towards you in the future!

speak in your own name you degenerated prick, because you are just a frustrated kike fuck, pretending to be some russian...

psychologicalshock

April 6th, 2009, 07:13 PM

Don't you Hurwats supposedly have jobs? It's like 2 AM in your crib and you're up posting? Fuck you're a bunch of low life pricks I bet you live on Amerikenyan welfare.

A.P.H.

April 6th, 2009, 08:32 PM

Don't you Hurwats supposedly have jobs? It's like 2 AM in your crib and you're up posting? Fuck you're a bunch of low life pricks I bet you live on Amerikenyan welfare.

hear hear the kike cyper warrior is here...T.J.B.

Serbian

April 6th, 2009, 11:18 PM

not serbia you dumbfuck but kingdom of sugoslavia, but your smart ass generals decided to become masonic puppets...
ehm yea, do you still remember "bolje rat nego pakt" protests, have i to translate it? you fucking comedy 18 tard...

Kingdom of Yugoslavia or Serbia who cares, the fact remained that Berlin recognized Yugoslavia, had great relations with that country during the late 30's and was not interested in conflict, but in getting the co operation of Belgrade not some insignificant croat terrorists who it must also be noted were being arrested in Germany during the 30's as Germany wouldnt allow their anti yugoslav activities to strain relations with Belgrade. The fact that these scum like Simovic decided to become British masonic pawns and draw Serbia into chaos while at the same time directly paving the way for the creation of NDH is now history but what does this have to do with what we are discussing? You claim that Hitler hated Serbs while I say the man was indifferent to our Serbo croat problem before 1941.

'Bolje rat nego pakt' was the brain dead British/Communist slogan which was pushed on the university campuses in order to radicalize the youth against NS. There were many intellectuals and ordinary people in Serbia who were against this insanity but they were quickly silenced.
And what is so special about this situation is Serbia anyway? Why not show us some of the anti NS/German propaganda used in the controlled British press at the time?

Serbian

April 6th, 2009, 11:33 PM

true, but the general public opinion towards the german forces and germany were significant different in croatia and servia. declining this would be historical forgery...

in zagreb they were welcomed as friends and allies, in servia with rifles, thats the reason why they established the 100 for 1 system, 100 servian lifes for 1 killed german soldier, something like that was never sawn on our territory..

concerning nedic, yes he was the leader of servia (installed by WM, but at the beginning of the war he fought even against germans), nvm servs should be thankfull that he was capable to expell the communist scum from servia, one interesting fact is that he had cooperated with croatia...

Firstly the so called 100 for 1 rule was very rarely ever implemented and in many places the German commanders and local Serbian authorities were careful to select communist sympathizers, gypsies, criminals and other dregs of society. Of course the partizans used this for propaganda purposes as they sought tom inflict even greater casualties on the Germans and Serb civilians. The commies also mutilated dead German soldiers in order to get the Germans to retaliate more brutally, Germans and Serbs killing each other was a dream come true for the partizans {and the ustashe}.

And what was the general public opinion towards Germans in Britain at the time? It was even more hostile than in Serbia with the pathetic jingoism and pig headed 'judeo' patriotism. Would the british public fed on a constant diet of lies about German brutality, barbarism, cruelty and aggression have welcomed the Germans with open arms in the streets of London? The only reason they were welcomed in Zagreb was because they destroyed the Yugoslav state which the croats hated, hell had the bolsheviks been the ones who had brought down the Kingdom of Yugoslavia the croats would have greeted them as liberators. As we all know there were close contacts between the reds and ustashe during Kingdom of Yugoslavia as they sought to co operate and co ordinate strategy against the joint enemy which was Serbia. The fact that ustashe were clero fascists and commies were atheist anti christian murderers didnt seem to matter to anyone. As you see alliances were forged and broken according to what was perceived as national interest at the time and your pathetic attempt to somehow paint a picture of eternal brotherly love between Germany and croatia while at the same time slandering Serbia by claiming that Hitler had a personal hatred for us simply because we were orthodox or slavic, even though we had no territorial issues with the German state and dont even border Germany is pathetic and immature. There is simply no logical reason for Serbs and Germans to be enemies, it makes no sense what so ever.

As for Nedic 'co operating' with croatia, well he tried to save as many civilians as possible as the NDH was basically murdering the entire serbian population west of the Drina.

1bobwhite1

April 7th, 2009, 03:32 AM

Don't you Hurwats supposedly have jobs? It's like 2 AM in your crib and you're up posting? Fuck you're a bunch of low life pricks I bet you live on Amerikenyan welfare.

yes we have...after we take money from slaves-asiats prostitute witch one take all night money from gipsies

bmwbiker

April 7th, 2009, 06:20 AM

Don't you Hurwats supposedly have jobs? It's like 2 AM in your crib and you're up posting? Fuck you're a bunch of low life pricks I bet you live on Amerikenyan welfare.

http://www.russiablog.org/kgb.jpg

Im looking yours acctivites for long time...you are fucking son of emigrated KGB agent who is maybe one of those fuckers who stole Russian money and escape to west..

All yours attacks is KGB or Mossad inspaired..you are fucking agent!!!

You are on this forum all time, in morning, during the day, on night...all time it seams to me that you never sleep..

do you have Job?
what your dady ex.KGB douing now?
how much money you taking from US for betrayaling yours Russia?

A.P.H.

April 7th, 2009, 07:14 AM

Kingdom of Yugoslavia or Serbia who cares, the fact remained that Berlin recognized Yugoslavia, had great relations with that country during the late 30's and was not interested in conflict, but in getting the co operation of Belgrade not some insignificant croat terrorists who it must also be noted were being arrested in Germany during the 30's as Germany wouldnt allow their anti yugoslav activities to strain relations with Belgrade. The fact that these scum like Simovic decided to become British masonic pawns and draw Serbia into chaos while at the same time directly paving the way for the creation of NDH is now history but what does this have to do with what we are discussing? You claim that Hitler hated Serbs while I say the man was indifferent to our Serbo croat problem before 1941.

and because all that love towards sugoslavia adolf hasnt hestitate to command the attack on sugolavia, when you became again treacherous, and have broken the alliance with him... yes thats really a big sign of love...

nobody said he hated you kin, but he saw you as some lower form of life... thats the historical fact...

'Bolje rat nego pakt' was the brain dead British/Communist slogan which was pushed on the university campuses in order to radicalize the youth against NS. There were many intellectuals and ordinary people in Serbia who were against this insanity but they were quickly silenced.
And what is so special about this situation is Serbia anyway? Why not show us some of the anti NS/German propaganda used in the controlled British press at the time?

under that banner servs protestet in belgrade against the agreement, not Croats in Zagreb...

psychologicalshock

April 7th, 2009, 09:22 AM

Im looking yours acctivites for long time...you are fucking son of emigrated KGB agent who is maybe one of those fuckers who stole Russian money and escape to west..

All yours attacks is KGB or Mossad inspaired..you are fucking agent!!!
Lulz why are you Hurwats so retarded?

You are on this forum all time, in morning, during the day, on night...all time it seams to me that you never sleep..

Not really, I am never on during the night and I am only on during the morning for about 10 minutes and no longer. It's you bastard Hurwats who are constantly on not me.

bmwbiker

April 7th, 2009, 09:32 AM

Lulz why are you Hurwats so retarded?

Come on...i know that i kick you in right button...

Tell ous...Are you son of KGB agent?

Becouse all yours actions suggested that, yours thinking, yours suporting and yours hate toward US.

Not really, I am never on during the night and I am only on during the morning for about 10 minutes and no longer. It's you bastard Hurwats who are constantly on not me.

You was posting once on New Year eve!!!! You acting as agent....too many quastions and too litle ansewers....

You living on net, expecialy here..what you try to find here? some new atentator on Obama?

Why you constantly spiting and hating US?

Explain that agent bastard...

psychologicalshock

April 7th, 2009, 02:30 PM

Come on...i know that i kick you in right button...

Tell ous...Are you son of KGB agent?

Becouse all yours actions suggested that, yours thinking, yours suporting and yours hate toward US.
Like I said why are you Hurwats so stupid? Why would a son of a KGB agent bother going to a WN site isn't that blowing my cover? If I was KGB I wouldn't talk to any radicals period as it's simply fucking stupid to do so but reason has never been one of your big things has it?

Why you constantly spiting and hating US?

Why spit on a nation that directly funded Communism, profiteered off two huge brother wars, holds half of Europe in dollar bondage and slaughtered thousands of Serbs? Are you fucking kidding me you shitskin?

I know that you low lifes would side with anyone - Commie, Anarchist, Fascist, Zionsit, etc as long as it's against Serbs but I have principals and I follow those principals. The fact that you have none shows that you aren't Aryan.

bmwbiker

April 7th, 2009, 02:52 PM

Like I said why are you Hurwats so stupid? Why would a son of a KGB agent bother going to a WN site isn't that blowing my cover? If I was KGB I wouldn't talk to any radicals period as it's simply fucking stupid to do so but reason has never been one of your big things has it?
.

You didnt ansewer my quastion....KGB agent

Why spit on a nation that directly funded Communism, profiteered off two huge brother wars, holds half of Europe in dollar bondage and slaughtered thousands of Serbs? Are you fucking kidding me you shitskin?
.

are you shure in that shit what you saying here?
that what you said is pure ZOG-communist propaganda what i seen for 50 years of comunism in my country, yours attitude is like KGB agent...

I know that you low lifes would side with anyone - Commie, Anarchist, Fascist, Zionsit, etc as long as it's against Serbs but I have principals and I follow those principals. The fact that you have none shows that you aren't Aryan.

we dont so hate serbs as you think, we hate them only when they pass our border and ask for social checks from our govermant....and all shit what we are obligated to make for them, like build new houses for free, give them jobs, pensions, social checks, right to vote....

Neither you showed ous that you are Aryan, or that you are from Russia (maybe you are some Chechen), or that you arent agent of KGB or son of failed agent of KGB.....traitor

psychologicalshock

April 7th, 2009, 02:58 PM

Whatever I don't feel like talking with a moron anymore. :o

bmwbiker

April 7th, 2009, 03:06 PM

Whatever I don't feel like talking with a moron anymore. :o

What is serial noumber of yours Dadys KGB card?

Is he have some special code name as "Durak"?

You see how from SF infos leacking...that is yours position here, if somebody make something YOU will snich him for good Amerikwans dollares...you like dolares but hate US..very intresting..

psychologicalshock

April 7th, 2009, 03:10 PM

LOL You're hilarious, this is a joke right?

Yeah we're totally KGB you got us, we even did 9/11 and we forged documents for America to attack Iraq and we made Obama president, it was us alright.

bmwbiker

April 7th, 2009, 03:21 PM

LOL You're hilarious, this is a joke right?

Yeah we're totally KGB you got us, we even did 9/11 and we forged documents for America to attack Iraq and we made Obama president, it was us alright.

i think that you dont get it becouse you are retarded..

1. your dady come to live in US becouse he was failure in KGB...all Russians was involved in KGB activites i know becouse all communist secret service work on that way

2. when SSSR is broke, yours dady become even more harder to drink more vodka..becouse he understand that Russia is gone and no more Russian rubals for "weather information from US"

3. you are sad as him, you together crying for good bolshevik times when comarad Stalin was cheff of the world, and Russians can kill pepole in DDR Germany, Poland, Hungary, Tcechoslowakia, Ukraine etc...

4. becouse you dont have true reason to function, you spying here to sell some infos to govermant

Serbian

April 7th, 2009, 11:43 PM

and because all that love towards sugoslavia adolf hasnt hestitate to command the attack on sugolavia, when you became again treacherous, and have broken the alliance with him... yes thats really a big sign of love...

Who is talking about love? Such naive and sentimental crap has no place in global politics.

The blame for the attack on Yugoslavia lies squarely with the British who orchestrated the blood bath in the Balkans as it was in their Jewish masters' interest to do so. Hitler clearly mentions it in his speech and states that he can not under any circumstances allow Britain to have a foothold in Yugoslavia and that the action he was undertaking was necessary in order to help defend the continent from the forces of Judeo Capitalism and Bolshevism.

Now of course it was terrible that civilians were killed but far more Serbs were killed in allied bombings of Serbia during the war, these were completely unnecessary bombings that had no military/strategic value, they were simply designed to kill serbian people and they had the blessing of Britains' ally Tito who welcomed the high death toll..{of course the croat Tito never called for massive bombings of croatian cities like Zagreb}....
And these so called 'allies are still' celebrated by people.

A.P.H.

April 8th, 2009, 01:29 AM

Who is talking about love? Such naive and sentimental crap has no place in global politics.

The blame for the attack on Yugoslavia lies squarely with the British who orchestrated the blood bath in the Balkans as it was in their Jewish masters' interest to do so. Hitler clearly mentions it in his speech and states that he can not under any circumstances allow Britain to have a foothold in Yugoslavia and that the action he was undertaking was necessary in order to help defend the continent from the forces of Judeo Capitalism and Bolshevism.

Now of course it was terrible that civilians were killed but far more Serbs were killed in allied bombings of Serbia during the war, these were completely unnecessary bombings that had no military/strategic value, they were simply designed to kill serbian people and they had the blessing of Britains' ally Tito who welcomed the high death toll..{of course the croat Tito never called for massive bombings of croatian cities like Zagreb}....
And these so called 'allies are still' celebrated by people.

never heard of something called allegory or metaphor...:rolleyes:

no, the guilt is on your generals which were fucking tards, and became puppets of the mi5 and the english crown of their own free will, nobody forced them to make their little hunta. thats the truths the only truth.

without that, sugoslavia wouldnt break up, our agreement would be still respected from both sides, no dead Croatas, no dead servs, only dead mohamedians, bosnia would be splitted and anybody happy. later maybe we could desolve sugoslavia and everybody goes their own way.

concerning bombing, Zadar, Split, Rijeka even Zagreb etc were all bombed on behalf/his order of the communist swine tito, so cut that crap, turko-gypsy.

Serbian

April 8th, 2009, 03:12 AM

never heard of something called allegory or metaphor...:rolleyes:

no, the guilt is on your generals which were fucking tards, and became puppets of the mi5 and the english crown of their own free will, nobody forced them to make their little hunta. thats the truths the only truth.

without that, sugoslavia wouldnt break up, our agreement would be still respected from both sides, no dead Croatas, no dead servs, only dead mohamedians, bosnia would be splitted and anybody happy. later maybe we could desolve sugoslavia and everybody goes their own way.

concerning bombing, Zadar, Split, Rijeka even Zagreb etc were all bombed on behalf/his order of the communist swine tito, so cut that crap, turko-gypsy.

No I need you to explain it to me :D

As for the bombings, you are not seriously comparing these insignificant little pin pricks with hardly any civilian casualties to the communist endorsed mass bombing of Serbian cities where tens of thousands of people died or were wounded.

It's interesting that you refer to the Berlin Belgrade Pact as 'our agreement'. You almost sound upset that the agreement went down the toilet.:) There might still be hope for you.:D

psychologicalshock

April 8th, 2009, 07:19 PM

1. your dady come to live in US becouse he was failure in KGB...all Russians was involved in KGB activites i know becouse all communist secret service work on that way
Oh yes all Russians work for the secret service, how is it a secret again?

bmwbiker

April 9th, 2009, 12:37 AM

Oh yes all Russians work for the secret service, how is it a secret again?

Even yours Ortodox curch cheffs are working for KGB....come on it is biggest inteligence organisation in the world.

Tito killed in 1947 all pepole who was only in contact with KGB or Russia, and Tito was KGB agent an Polish Jew.

KGB is still powerfull organisation, today even more powerfull: all Russian politican are from KGB (nice democraty), many politicans who are on power in former Russian republics are KGB.

KGB is gathering information, and if you dont want to cooperate they attack yours family in Russia or even you in US..either way you will send those "wether reports" in Kreml.
So yours family also have buissnes there in US with KGB, that is reason why you are still live today, and it is main reason whay you so love that old Dictature and its great leader Stalin.

Dont lie to ous that you have nothing with KGB, in fact is realy intrested why you are in many WN forums. What is yours mission: gather infos about WN? That Kreml can make predictions about future of US? or maybe Kreml want to destroy US (that is seen from yours great love toward US)

You still arent ansewer me...Why you so hate US?

psychologicalshock

April 9th, 2009, 03:06 PM

HAHAHAHHAHAAHHA, jesus christ you're worse than a nigger in a tin foil hat.

bmwbiker

April 9th, 2009, 03:12 PM

HAHAHAHHAHAAHHA, jesus christ you're worse than a nigger in a tin foil hat.

Ansewer dont evade...KGB offspring

psychologicalshock

April 9th, 2009, 06:38 PM

Ansewer dont evade...KGB offspring

How can I answer when you're a complete joke? Only a complete idiot would believe in such fancy conspiracies and expect them to be kept secret.

Tulpar

April 9th, 2009, 08:34 PM

Antiochus Epiphanes

April 9th, 2009, 09:16 PM

You know, being a mongrel white American has its downsides. We lack the sense of ethnicity and nationalistic pride and commitment that European nationals are raised with especially those from the Balkans.

On the other hand, we also see the value in cooperating as "whites" and not just Micks vs Dagos vs Yankees vs Confederates etc. Wherever I go in this country, I can easily develop friendships with other white gentile guys my age, and older, based on our shared ethnicity-- the white american. a humble ethnic identity, one only existing for a few scant centuries, but a real people grounded in this soil nonetheless.

Today, I hope that the strong nationalism that Croats and Serbs feel for their own kind, could be engendered among whites in the United States.

In the Balkans, ever the playthings of the great powers, the people had to learn to survive and prosper without the sponsorship of the state. Centuries of being traded off from the Ottomans to the Austrians, or the Russians, back and forth and back and forth. But these people willed themselves to live. Most interesting, and admirable!

White Americans need to learn to do the same.

1bobwhite1

April 9th, 2009, 10:11 PM

YOU KGB AGENT, YOU BEE FOUND OUT GIVE UP!!!!1!!1!

More seriously, Croatians and Bosnians do not view muslims as a foreign entity just like Oghuz Turks do not view Tatars as a foreign entity and happily mix with them.

Bosnians and Croatians went on a Serbian murder rampage driven by their Islamic doctrine.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9851/posterwii.jpg
did you ever hear for 32.battalion ?(in South Africa..another name was ,,buffalo battalion,,)
Well, Handzar division in NDH(independet state of Croatia 1941-1945)was some kind of ,,precursor,, how 32.battalion was in south africa.
And Croats was newer mix(how you pretend here) with muslims.
We (Croats) and Germans use muslims in same way how white south african use black people to accomplish targets.
So, will be beter for you first read something from inside before you post this kind of stupidity what you post here.
Handzar division was maded with blessing and knowledge of Adolf Hitler, and also he strongly support use this kind of division for cleaning souteast europe of gipsies and non white(jews,serbo-vlach,gipsies). In this time serbs was implited on same way how jews and gipsies...like non white race.In this time Germans,Hungarians..ect live toghether with Croats in NDH.
Leader SS (Schutzstaffel) Heinrich Himmler was delighted with the idea that the Croatian AND Muslim people in Bosnia and Herzegovina ariyan descent, whose ancestors were Goths or the Persians. Likewise, Himmler's creation of Muslim division wanted to bring the Muslim nation in the world to incline nacistic ideology.
Himmler wanted to establish a Muslim division whose main goal would be fighting against communist partisans in Bosnia to ensure a safer life, the German minority in the Srijem. Himmler was, wanting to preserve good relations with the Independent State of Croatia(NDH), in Zagreb sent his negotiators General Edmund Glaise von Horstena and after short negotiations got support for the establishment of divisions, but with the precondition that the division carries the Croatian coat of arms, and that the name is croatian division.
Commander of this division was:
Oberführer Herbert von Obwurzer 4. january - 1943 8. august
Gruppenführer Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig 8. august 6th 1944
Brigadeführer Desiderius Hampel to 5. october 1945
On this list you see some ,,suleiman hadzianpasa,, or simuliar islamic name????NO. Whay?question of one million dollars:)
Some operations:
Operation WEGWEISER

From 10 to 13 March 1944, target of operation was part of Syrmia region held by partisans who were constant threat to Zagreb-Belgrade railway in particular forests around Bosut and villages around Sava river. This operation was also baptism of fire for newly formed 13th Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS Handschar.
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Operation SAVA

Begun on 15 March 1945 after completion of Operation WEGWEISER with goal of clearing partisans from Semberija region. 27th Regiment for 13th SS Division crossed Sava river at Srijemska Raca and captured Bijeljina on 17th March around noon.
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Operation OSTEREI
(Easter egg)

Operation was directed at clearing the Majevica mountain. It begun on 12th April 1944 at 3 a.m., 27th Regiment quickly captures Janja and through Donja Trnava reaches important objective Ugljevik mine. Here II./27. SS is involved in fighting's until the evening of following day reporting 106 dead, 45 captured and 2 deserted enemy soldiers.

13th SS Reconnaissance detachment linked up with 1st Home Defense Mountain Brigade on western slopes of Majevica. 28th Regiment moves across Mackovac and after fighting around Priboj pushes 38th Division south.

3rd Corps of NOVJ decided to withdraw 16th and 36th Vojvodina division from Majevica further south in area of Birac and Srebrenica while leaving 38th Division on Majevica but it was soon clear that 38th has to withdraw towards Birac on 20th June taking with her 200 wounded.
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Operation MAIBAUM
(Maytree)

Joint operation of 7th and 13th SS Mountain divisions now part of 5th SS Mountain Corps with goal of destruction of 16th Vojvodina, 17th Eastern Bosnian and 36th Vojvodina divisions of 3rd Corps NOVJ which were attempting to cross Drina river from Bosnia into Serbia under orders from Tito. Increasing partisan radio communications allowed German intelligence easily brake partisan codes and discover there plans allowing German commanders to launch attacks against potential threats.
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Operation VOLLMOND
(Fullmoon)
Another operation based on intelligence info received from decrypting partisan radio messages. Ordered by commander of 13th SS Division, Gruppenführer Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig, with goal of preventing partisans forces advancing north towards Majevica, Posavina and Semberija.

Plan was for attack at dawn of 8th June 1944 at 3.45 a.m.

1st and 2nd Battalion from 27. SS Regiment to attack south towards Visoka Glava and Jasenica with support of 2nd Battery located in Donja Trnova
1st Battalion from 28. SS Regiment to hold heights around Priboja covering position of 6th and 7th Battery and after attack starts it will link up with
4th Battalion from 28. SS Regiment which was in Lopare
Plan was expecting partisans to bypass Lopare and Priboj in there advance but instead they launched direct assault knowing that I./28. SS was filled with new recruits forcibly mobilized in Posavina and Majevica with almost zero training. Attack was started by 1st Brigade of 16th Vojvodina Division NOVJ at 6 p.m. on 8th June with its 4th and 5th Battalion attacking I./28. SS. After one hour being late 2nd Brigade of 16th Division joins the assault.

After operation Gruppenführer Sauberzweig claimed 3000 dead partisans, while some German report claimed 1586 dead partisans vs. 205 dead, 528 wounded and 89 missing from 13th SS Division. 16th Division of NOVJ claimed 230 dead and wounded and 30 captured enemy soldiers while its 1st and 2nd Brigade suffered 57 dead, 174 wounded and 26 missing.

Counterattack of II./28. prevented 16th Division to capitalize on its success and it only managed to take 60 rifles, six MG-42 and two Bergmann M-34, 1 mortar, 13 pistols, 20.000 Mauser rounds, 100 pair of shoes, 180 uniforms, 60-70 horses... forcing it to quickly destroy 6 out of 8 captured howitzers, trucks, several cars, two motorcycles also leaving large number of shells intact.
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Operation FLIEGENFÄNGER
(Fly-trap)
Local operation during which 27th SS Regiment of the 13th SS Division attacks from Majevica and capture partisan airfield Osmaci on 14 July 1944.
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Operation HACKFLEISCH
History
Anti-partisan operation direct at triangle Kladanj - Vlasenica - Sokoloac - Olovo. 7th SS together with I./28 and II./27. from 13th SS Division begun there advance on 3rd August from Vares, Ribinica and Kladanj. 3rd Corps of NOVJ retreated towards Srebrenica while 12th Corps towards Foca and there again unsuccessfully attempted to cross Drina river. Although encirclement was successful NOVJ units managed to slip out.

If you want to find out something more about muslims in croatia in this time(NDH) you can buy here this book
Amazon.com: Himmler's Bosnian Division: The Waffen-SS Handschar Division 1943-1945: George Lepre, a Muslim combat formation created by the Germans to restore order in Bosnia. What actually transpired was quite different., This is the story of the Handschar: Books
When you read this book maybe you newer say stupidity witch one you wrote before.

Serbian

April 10th, 2009, 12:09 AM

did you ever hear for 32.battalion ?(in South Africa..another name was ,,buffalo battalion,,)
Well, Handzar division in NDH(independet state of Croatia 1941-1945)was some kind of ,,precursor,, how 32.battalion was in south africa.
And Croats was newer mix(how you pretend here) with muslims.
We (Croats) and Germans use muslims in same way how white south african use black people to accomplish targets.
So, will be beter for you first read something from inside before you post this kind of stupidity what you post here.
Handzar division was maded with blessing and knowledge of Adolf Hitler, and also he strongly support use this kind of division for cleaning souteast europe of gipsies and non white(jews,serbo-vlach,gipsies). In this time serbs was implited on same way how jews and gipsies...like non white race.In this time Germans,Hungarians..ect live toghether with Croats in NDH.
Leader SS (Schutzstaffel) Heinrich Himmler was delighted with the idea that the Croatian AND Muslim people in Bosnia and Herzegovina ariyan descent, whose ancestors were Goths or the Persians. Likewise, Himmler's creation of Muslim division wanted to bring the Muslim nation in the world to incline nacistic ideology.
Himmler wanted to establish a Muslim division whose main goal would be fighting against communist partisans in Bosnia to ensure a safer life, the German minority in the Srijem. Himmler was, wanting to preserve good relations with the Independent State of Croatia(NDH), in Zagreb sent his negotiators General Edmund Glaise von Horstena and after short negotiations got support for the establishment of divisions, but with the precondition that the division carries the Croatian coat of arms, and that the name is croatian division.
Commander of this division was:
Oberführer Herbert von Obwurzer 4. january - 1943 8. august
Gruppenführer Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig 8. august 6th 1944
Brigadeführer Desiderius Hampel to 5. october 1945
On this list you see some ,,suleiman hadzianpasa,, or simuliar islamic name????NO. Whay?question of one million dollars:)
Some operations:
Operation WEGWEISER

From 10 to 13 March 1944, target of operation was part of Syrmia region held by partisans who were constant threat to Zagreb-Belgrade railway in particular forests around Bosut and villages around Sava river. This operation was also baptism of fire for newly formed 13th Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS Handschar.
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Operation SAVA

Begun on 15 March 1945 after completion of Operation WEGWEISER with goal of clearing partisans from Semberija region. 27th Regiment for 13th SS Division crossed Sava river at Srijemska Raca and captured Bijeljina on 17th March around noon.
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Operation OSTEREI
(Easter egg)

Operation was directed at clearing the Majevica mountain. It begun on 12th April 1944 at 3 a.m., 27th Regiment quickly captures Janja and through Donja Trnava reaches important objective Ugljevik mine. Here II./27. SS is involved in fighting's until the evening of following day reporting 106 dead, 45 captured and 2 deserted enemy soldiers.

13th SS Reconnaissance detachment linked up with 1st Home Defense Mountain Brigade on western slopes of Majevica. 28th Regiment moves across Mackovac and after fighting around Priboj pushes 38th Division south.

3rd Corps of NOVJ decided to withdraw 16th and 36th Vojvodina division from Majevica further south in area of Birac and Srebrenica while leaving 38th Division on Majevica but it was soon clear that 38th has to withdraw towards Birac on 20th June taking with her 200 wounded.
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Operation MAIBAUM
(Maytree)

Joint operation of 7th and 13th SS Mountain divisions now part of 5th SS Mountain Corps with goal of destruction of 16th Vojvodina, 17th Eastern Bosnian and 36th Vojvodina divisions of 3rd Corps NOVJ which were attempting to cross Drina river from Bosnia into Serbia under orders from Tito. Increasing partisan radio communications allowed German intelligence easily brake partisan codes and discover there plans allowing German commanders to launch attacks against potential threats.
------------------------------------------------------
Operation VOLLMOND
(Fullmoon)
Another operation based on intelligence info received from decrypting partisan radio messages. Ordered by commander of 13th SS Division, Gruppenführer Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig, with goal of preventing partisans forces advancing north towards Majevica, Posavina and Semberija.

Plan was for attack at dawn of 8th June 1944 at 3.45 a.m.

1st and 2nd Battalion from 27. SS Regiment to attack south towards Visoka Glava and Jasenica with support of 2nd Battery located in Donja Trnova
1st Battalion from 28. SS Regiment to hold heights around Priboja covering position of 6th and 7th Battery and after attack starts it will link up with
4th Battalion from 28. SS Regiment which was in Lopare
Plan was expecting partisans to bypass Lopare and Priboj in there advance but instead they launched direct assault knowing that I./28. SS was filled with new recruits forcibly mobilized in Posavina and Majevica with almost zero training. Attack was started by 1st Brigade of 16th Vojvodina Division NOVJ at 6 p.m. on 8th June with its 4th and 5th Battalion attacking I./28. SS. After one hour being late 2nd Brigade of 16th Division joins the assault.

After operation Gruppenführer Sauberzweig claimed 3000 dead partisans, while some German report claimed 1586 dead partisans vs. 205 dead, 528 wounded and 89 missing from 13th SS Division. 16th Division of NOVJ claimed 230 dead and wounded and 30 captured enemy soldiers while its 1st and 2nd Brigade suffered 57 dead, 174 wounded and 26 missing.

Counterattack of II./28. prevented 16th Division to capitalize on its success and it only managed to take 60 rifles, six MG-42 and two Bergmann M-34, 1 mortar, 13 pistols, 20.000 Mauser rounds, 100 pair of shoes, 180 uniforms, 60-70 horses... forcing it to quickly destroy 6 out of 8 captured howitzers, trucks, several cars, two motorcycles also leaving large number of shells intact.
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Operation FLIEGENFÄNGER
(Fly-trap)
Local operation during which 27th SS Regiment of the 13th SS Division attacks from Majevica and capture partisan airfield Osmaci on 14 July 1944.
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Operation HACKFLEISCH
History
Anti-partisan operation direct at triangle Kladanj - Vlasenica - Sokoloac - Olovo. 7th SS together with I./28 and II./27. from 13th SS Division begun there advance on 3rd August from Vares, Ribinica and Kladanj. 3rd Corps of NOVJ retreated towards Srebrenica while 12th Corps towards Foca and there again unsuccessfully attempted to cross Drina river. Although encirclement was successful NOVJ units managed to slip out.

If you want to find out something more about muslims in croatia in this time(NDH) you can buy here this book
Amazon.com: Himmler's Bosnian Division: The Waffen-SS Handschar Division 1943-1945: George Lepre, a Muslim combat formation created by the Germans to restore order in Bosnia. What actually transpired was quite different., This is the story of the Handschar: Books (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0764301349?tag=vojska-20&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=0764301349&creative=373489&camp=211189)
When you read this book maybe you newer say stupidity witch one you wrote before.

We can see the great 'accomplishments' of the Handzar Division. They would rather murder/rape civilians, burn and plunder villages than fight the partizans.

By the way the Handschar was the local word for the Turkish scimitar {which the turks used to chop heads of white European christians in the Balkans during the Ottoman Empire} a historical symbol of Islam. An image of the Turkish Handschar adorned the division's flag and coat of arms.
Of course the Germans were desperate and that is the reason this non European Islamist scum was 'used'.

Had the war ended successfully for Germany I have no doubt that these muslim turkic vermin would eventually have been destroyed.

Another great acomplishment of this division

Villefranche-de-Rouergue Mutiny (September 1943}

On 17 September, 1943 while the Handschar was garrisoned in Villefranche-de-Rouergue (France), a group of recruits led by Ferid Džanić staged a mutiny. They captured most of the Germans and executed five German officers. Apparently the mutineers believed that many of the enlisted men would join them and they could reach the western Allies. The revolt was put down with the assistance of the unit imam, Halim Malkoč and Dr. Schweiger. Approximately 20 of the rebels were killed summarily or after a trial. The Germans were convinced that they were communists who had infiltrated the unit in order to disrupt it. Afterwards there was a purge of members of the unit who were deemed "unsuitable for service" or "politically unsuitable". More than 800 were removed from the unit and sent to Germany for "labor service". Of those, 265 who refused to work were sent to Neuengamme Concentration Camp where many of them died. When the city was liberated in 1944, they decided to pay tribute to the troops by naming one of its streets Avenue des Croates. According to Louis Erignac, Villefranche-de-Rouergue was the first free city of occupied France.

The Serbian Chetniks/Ljoticevci/SDK in Serbia were much more successful against the partizans than this muslim scum.

Serbian

April 10th, 2009, 12:17 AM

A.P.H.

April 10th, 2009, 01:52 AM

Please dont use the term Bosnians to describe the foreign Turkic element which is illegally squatting on Serbian and croatian land. Bosnians can only be Serbs or Croats not muslims. The zog media likes to refer to the muslims as 'Bosnians' in order to give them legitimacy and falsely present the Serbs and Croats as somehow foreign to the land of Bosnia, which you need to keep in mind is nothing more than a geographical area, not a nationality.

dear lord, i have to agree with a serv...

It's interesting that you refer to the Berlin Belgrade Pact as 'our agreement'. You almost sound upset that the agreement went down the toilet.:) There might still be hope for you.:D

im not, its just pure logic, without your little hunta, many poeple from my nation, and yours too would have survived the war... the only thing im sad about is that our forces werent effective enough in cleasing of lowlife scum... but you know nobody is perfect...

btw... Cestitam svima 10. travanj., dan drzavnosti!

Za Dom!

1bobwhite1

April 10th, 2009, 03:22 AM

I agree,
we all know what will's happend if Adolf win in this war.
But maybe someone miss my point.My point is that this Handzar division was iniciated from germany side..and commander was germans.

It's true that this division also burn villages..how I say before-Germans was commander and politics in that time want clean NDH from all non europian elements...
Loxality of muslim is legendary...we know what they do in France(they kill some commander..and tray to join ,,france resisent movement,,)
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