Our own system of martial arts

[Beowulf]

Why not create our own system of martial arts? Surely we have enough talent among our Kamaraden to do this. I believe that the leader of Imperivm Evropa, Norman Lowell, is a martial arts master. Perhaps he, or someone very much like him, could became the grandmaster of a new White based martial arts. Our new martial art system would include all the hand-to-hand combat and weapons training the existing arts do, but it would have a pro White philosophy. It would emphasize learning and respecting the laws of nature, honor, loyalty and disipline. Ultimately, it would exist to protect the nation of Europe, understood to be all members of the white race where ever they may be, from all threats. Early on, we could learn from other systems like Tae Kwon Do, Yukong, from military sources, or whatever is available in your area, until we have the foundation for our new system. It could be something like the Knights Templars except that these White Knights would be in the service of our Race instead of Christianity. I believe that Hitler may have had something similar to this, a kind of Tuetonic order, if anyone knows the details that could be helpful. The value of White nationalists being able to defend themselves from anti-white bigots would certainly be of value in the short term and if the ‘Kwa was to suddenly collapse, as many believe it will, these Knights could serve as a de facto government in White areas until an official government could be organized. Eventually this new system could become a cornerstone in a revitalized European civilization.

[The_Immortal_Kind]

http://www.russianmartialart.com/

The site above presents "Russian Martial Art" which was in the old times known to many other Slavs as well. From what I have read about it, it has been used in Russian Army since in the early times, then again in the Czarist Army and in communism again (the Russian Special Forces - Spetnaz or something like that) used it as well. Many say it's better than the Oriental forms of martial art. Here's some stuff on Russian Martial Arts (or "System" as they call it):


History

"The Russian style of martial art dates back to the 10th century.
Throughout the history of this huge country, Russia had to repel invaders from the north, south, east, and west. All attackers brought their distinct styles of combat and weaponry. The battles took place on different terrain, during freezing winters and sweltering summer heat alike, with the Russians often greatly outnumbered by the enemy forces. As a result of these factors, the Russian warriors acquired a style that combined strong spirit with extremely innovative and versatile tactics that were at the same time practical, deadly, and effective against any type of enemy under any circumstances. The style was natural and free while having no strict rules, rigid structure or limitations (except for moral ones). All tactics were based on instinctive reactions, individual strengths and characteristics, specifically designed for fast learning.

When the Communists came to power in 1917, they suppressed all national traditions. Those practicing the centuries-old style of martial art were severely punished. However, the authorities quickly realized the viability and potency of the Russian martial art and thus reserved it for the elite units of Spetsnaz.

Since the collapse of the Soviet system, many other Russian fighting styles have re-emerged through training, competition, and media publicity. Among others, the styles include: Sambo (a wrestling style), Slaviano-Goretskaya Borba (StormWarrior Style), military style of A. Kadochnikov, plus a variety of folk styles (e.g. Busa, Skobar, Forest Warrior, Kozachiy Sploch, fist fighting by Gruntovsky)."

Here's something about "System" from this other site:

http://www.systemamartialart.com/about/index.html

"Systema is a realistic combat style of fighting with real-life, rather than sport, application. It involves a unique, high speed, elliptical open-hand striking system, kicking, and defense on the ground. Unlike many Asian styles, Systema has no predetermined fighting stances, but teaches you to defend yourself against attackers from any position. In addition, students are trained in the use and disarming of weapons, improvised weapons, as well as combat in non-traditional situations such as fighting from a chair or while in a car. Other courses in knife throwing, shovel fighting, executive protection and women's sex assault defense are also taught by Russian trained experts."

Our women could also be involved in this, as mentioned above. In this sad reality, there's a good chance of a White woman getting raped in cities that look more like jungles than cities. It would be a good thing if there were people out there in our ranks who could teach White Women the sex assault defense.

Philosophy

"The study and practice of this discipline involves a complete system of physical and spiritual health, relaxation, and courage in the face of all forms of adversity. But most of all, it involves a philosophy of life, peace and decency seldom seen. It disciplines its students to relax while striking, rather than focus to generate maximum power, allowing you to strike at unusual and unexpected angles, to smile in combat rather than adopt a fierce visage or announce your intentions with a blood curdling yell. There are no fixed training patterns or combinations of movements, all training is based on the reality that unexpected things happen in combat. The purpose of this discipline is not merely to prepare for violence, but to improve one's own mental state, to have a healthier and more limber body, to be more relaxed in a stressful society and to live a decent and peaceful life.

Anyone, in any condition or of any age, can learn and benefit from this unique style."

Well, I guess we do have a developed Aryan Martial Arts. One could alter it ideologically and include Racialist ideology in it. Make sure you guys tell me what you think about 'System.'

[Beowulf]

Wow! Thanks for the links Immortal. I had no idea that systema existed, it seems to fit the bill nicely for our purposes. I especially like that it is designed to be useful for more than just sport, and that it can be learned quickly. Also, there are numerous schools in various countries, unfortunately there is not one here in Texas though, damn it. The dvds seem kinda of expensive, but I may order one and check it out. Anyway thanks for the info, I'll second the nomination of systema as the official martial arts system of White Nationalism.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

I'm always interested in discussions about martial arts. Thanks for the proposition.

However, martial arts is like science. The matter is technical and the race of the expert is less significant than their knowledge. We wouldnt want to lapse into Lysenkoism would we?

Martial arts practice should include training in atemi (percussive strikes) and grappling. Some styles focus on one or the other. Like karate, for atemi, and judo for grappling. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is start practicing now with the best instructor you can find in your location. Doesnt matter if it's tai chi or aikido or karate. What matters is practice. The road not the destination.

If you want to learn about fighting one on one, Gracie Jiu jitsu is tried and true. Ceteris paribus, Wrestlers win every time one on one. So greco-roman wrestling is a good exercise as well especially if you're in high school. Dont miss a chance to be on a wrestling team. You'll much tougher for it.

I enjoyed aikido the best. Aikido practice is compatible for persons with NS orientation. Uyeshiba was a fascist.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

I would also add that sycretic styles are better for capstone study and not foundations. Meaning, something like jeet june do, pancrase, or "krav maga" (yuck-Izzie thing) is good for people with years of practice not months. You need to learn the basics first and train your body before moving on to higher level concepts. True for any enterprise I suppose, budo is no different.

[Uncle John]

For those interested in English martial arts: http://www.maisters.demon.co.uk/

[Archetype]

I am interested in how Morihei Ueshiba was a fascist.

[Dasyurus Maculatus]

Why not create our own system of martial arts? .

On being confronted by aggressive simians, a subtle way of self defence is to confuse them . Raise a hand, by way of warning and advise “Stop!. You are vulnerable to anthropogenic influences”.

As you watch the simian’s eyes glaze over with the effort of trying to work out what is being advised (the WTF honky? glazed look), you may seize the initiative and firmly apply an “anthropogenic influence” (such as thrusting a fist in the mouth, kicking said simian in the ‘nadular regions or applying other other man-made impact ) upon the confused and unsuspecting 'groid.

It works for me.

:cool:

[einzelwesen]

I am interested in how Morihei Ueshiba was a fascist.

Yeah. So am I.

Do you have any direct quotes from Ueshiba's work, or quotes than can be verified...?

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Yeah. So am I.

Do you have any direct quotes from Ueshiba's work, or quotes than can be verified...?

Uyeshiba was a prominent member of Omoto-kyo sect of Shintoism. As solar-pagan religion, Shinto has affinities with many aspects of Aryanism. But that is a digression.

Uyeshiba was in Manchuria and was considered after the war as supportive of the nationalist Japanese regime. Another element. But there is some evidence that he dissented from the Pacific war and resigned from an official instruction post in 1943. So that may not be evidence one way or another.

Now here is something that links Omoto-kyo to another similar Shinto cult called Mahikari. Tangentially, but read this about the Mahikari group... touches on some of our "issues..."

http://www.cultsandsociety.com/csr_bkreviews/bkrev_alltheemperorsmen.htm

All the Emperor’s Men.
Garry A. Greenwood. Electronically published by Strictly Literary, Croncourt Pty. Ltd, Queensland, Australia (ACN 010 748 777, P.O. Box 491, Moorooka 4105, Queensland, Australia), 1995, 110 pages. (Private print edition for North America, send bank draft, $33 Australian dollars, payable to Garry Greenwood, P.O. Box 408, Alstonville, NSW 2477, Australia.)

My 6-year-old daughter enjoys watching Are You Afraid of the Dark? The stories on this youth-oriented program are “scary,” with themes that include ghosts, paranormal occurrences, and magic powers. One show, about a young girl who conjures up a ghoulish spirit with a magical incantation, tells the audience to beware that magic can be dangerous if not properly handled. My daughter understands that TV magic is only make believe; she is quick to point it out without any coaching from me. Millions of adults throughout the world, however, are prone to superstitions and a belief in magical powers. New religious movements and therapies that borrow from ancient shamanic and occult traditions tap into this propensity for adult belief in magical power. One such new religion based in Japan is Mahikari.

According to Mahikari promotional literature, Mahikari-no-waza [the act of Mahikari] was introduced [in 1959 in Japan] to save mankind from a crisis and to perform miracles. In a November 1993 flyer distributed by the Washington, D.C.–based Sukyo Mahikari center, the group claims the following: Sukyo Mahikari does not rely on faith healing because no belief is required by the person receiving Divine Light.... Sukyo Mahikari is not a religion. It is not necessary to give up any religious practices or beliefs in order to become a person who can give Divine Light to others.... Regardless of the nature of your interest, you are welcome to receive Divine Light as often as you wish. There is no fee.

The author of All the Emperor’s Men portrays Mahikari as a faith-healing religious cult that demands a lot of money from its believers and indoctrinates members to believe that Mahikari is the only true spiritual*ity that will save mankind. Greenwood also tells us that the movement has a major split, and has suspicious political agendas. Author Green*wood was a member of the Mahikari movement for 17 years. He and his wife were first attracted to it in Australia in 1976. He soon rose high in the Australian ranks of the Mahikari, becoming an international minister within 12 years. The Greenwoods were recruited into the Sukyo branch of Mahikari, headed by a woman called Keishu. She claimed to inherit the “throne” of the sect from her “father” when he, Yoshikazu Okada, died in 1974. According to the author, however, the legal heir, however, was Mr. Sekae Sekiguchi. His sect is called Sekai Mahikari Bunmei Kyodan. Greenwood estimates that both sects have more than one million (perhaps two million) followers each. Two thirds of both sects are Japanese; the rest, from many other nations. Yoshikazi Okada is the “inspired” founder claimed by both sects, but after a meticulous search, Greenwood says that he discovered that Y. Okada “borrowed” his teachings from a Mr. Mokichi Okada (1882–1955). M. Okada was a student of Japanese Shinto and an art aficionado. He joined another Shinto-based sect called Omotokyo, but by 1934 he founded his own “healing” sect called Sekai Kyusei Kyo (SKK). Apparently, Y. Okada was a member of SKK before 1959, but current Mahikari members deny this.

Mahikari initiates receive a gold-plated pendant, or talisman, which they are not to take off. It protects them from evil spirits. Members practice a highly suggestive healing technique called “Okiyomi.” The technique utilizes the hands which allegedly project “Divine Light” according to the “will of God.” This divine energy allegedly comes from the current leader who is most in tune with God and is worshiped as God incarnate. The groups are classic, pyramid organizations with a militaristic loyalty within their ranks. Members are “free to leave,” but phobia indoctrina*tion about loss of protection from evil spirits is pervasive in the Mahikari sects. During Mahikari “blessings,” the blessed often exhibit trances, body twitching, convulsions, and speaking in strange sounds—not unlike participants in charismatic Christian sects. These often-dramatic “possessions by spirits” convince new members that the spirit world is real. Within the movement stories abound about paranormal healing and curses as a result of Mahikari “treatments.”

My work with persons affected by Mahikari supports Greenwood’s assertions of Mahikari’s tremendous phobia indoctrination. Though one client had rejected the group, he still, after several months, had a “fear” of letting me touch his talisman, which was now in a box in his closet. But Greenwood maintains that Mahikari is more than its stated purpose, which is to “save mankind from crisis and to perform miracles.” Greenwood suggests that Mahikari is a continuation of the ancient Japanese cult of “State Shintoism,” which upholds the notion that all civilization and spiritual awakening started in Japan. This is one of Mahikari’s alleged “secrets.” Other secret doctrines claim that both Moses and Jesus originally studied in Japan and returned there after doing their missions in the Middle East. Photos of their graves with crosses on them are provided for initiates.

Mahikari belief also claims that the current emperor of Japan is divinely ordained and that Japan is the “pure” race that should rule the world, hence Greenwood’s title, All the Emperor’s Men. Such nationalist drives fueled much of prewar and World War II Japanese military thinking. Greenwood ties Nazi philosopher and Hitler mentor Karl Haushofer with Japanese fascist theory. Haushofer may have been most responsible for inspiring Hitler and Japanese leaders (through the Green Dragon Society of Japan) with occult formulations. Greenwood invokes the esoteric criticisms of occult fascism by René Guenon, an “occultist” who wrote to expose the evil within his own camp early in this century.

A key pseudo-document taught by the Mahikari, but spread earlier by Haushofer in Germany and Japan, is the “Protocols of the Wise Old Men of Zion” [sic, typically known as “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”]. The Protocols read as if they were written by “Jewish Masons” with a sophisticated conspiracy to rule the world. The document, perhaps a century old, is an anti-Semitic forgery intent on discrediting Jewish people. Nevertheless, the “plan” intrigued fascists for two reasons: Jews could become a scapegoat for worldly ills, and a similar strategy could be implemented to undermine the “Zionist” conspiracy. Haushofer’s alleged occult powers were legendary among Japanese and German fascists. He eventually committed suicide, hara-kiri style in Japan, in keeping with a pact many fascist occultists made if their ventures failed. According to Greenwood, Mahikari, like many Western occult groups, believes that it was part of God’s plan that the Nazis exterminate millions of Jews. Mahikari also believes that they are “blessed” with the same occult power known to Haushofer and the Japanese fascists. Greenwood parallels Mahikari teaching with the now infamous Aum Shinrikyo (Supreme Truth sect).

Greenwood covers many other interesting aspects of the Mahikari, but we are most exposed to his journey out of the Keishu sect. During much of his tenure as a minister he helped to raise the billions needed to build a solid gold shrine to Mahikari in Japan. He tells of people who “gave everything” for this cause and who are now “penniless.” The Keishu branch completed their shrine in 1983. To Greenwood’s dismay, he discovered that the Sekai sect had done them one better, with an even grander gold shrine. Greenwood’s diligent effort to expose Mahikari as a deceptive cult ends with his description of how the group can induce fear and guilt to control its members. Greenwood relates how most of his time was spent traveling for group causes. As a minister he hardly knew his children. He describes the large gatherings in Japan, attended by current heads of state, with tens of thousands chanting en masse. The Mahikari even implemented a “youth core” with highly regimented behaviors recommended for children. Greenwood utilizes mind-control theory (mainly citing Leon Festinger and Steve Hassan) to help the reader understand how this 17-year journey happened to an otherwise intelligent man and his wife.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

from here, someone alludes to the "toning down" of aikido to mollify US occupiers:

http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2372.html

mike lee08-29-2002, 02:50 AM
Aikido may have been more multidimensional (as far as waza is concerned) until the end of WWII. Immediately after the war, the allies forbid the practice of all MA in Japan. They apparently didn't want something similar to China's Boxer Rebellion to occur.

I think that at the earliest possible date after the war, aikido was touted as a "purely defensive art" in an effort to get practices going again and to allay any suspicions that it would be used to attack Japan's occupiers.

The events of WWII had a dramatic effect on the way that aikido was practiced and presented to the public. Perhaps that is why to this day, Hombu Dojo does much less ken or jo work than do some other more remote dojos in Japan.

I think it would be very interesting to hear from any Japanese sensei or GIs that had any first-hand experiences as to how post-war events shaped modern aikido, and if present-day aikido needs to be, as a result, re-adjusted to eliminate any distortions created by changes made in Hombu Dojo's training regiment.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

someone agrees:

LOEP09-10-2002, 02:29 PM
Aikido may have been more multidimensional (as far as waza is concerned) until the end of WWII. Immediately after the war, the allies forbid the practice of all MA in Japan.
Not _exactly_. The SCAP ban, from things I've read and from personal info from folks who were there (my teacher amongst 'em) was really directed at the ultra-nationalist factions that used budo as a wedge/sledge/edge/hedge before and during the war.

Many dojo (if they could afford to do so and had students remaining) continued practicing after 1945 (IIRC: Ueshiba among them, in Iwama).

However, some other systems, such as Sekiguchi Ryu, which was, I understand, favored by the kempeitei (Sp?) and some other nationalist groups, was pretty soundly squashed and some systems were almost lost in the late 40's due to the restrictions.

However, all that said, I find myself agreeing with Mike to some extent. I believe that Ueshiba (or at least his spiritual/technical heirs -- dare I say 'handlers'?) intentionally changed the (at least the public) aspect of aikido, in order to seem more innocous and more friendly to the masses.

Same thing ahppened across the budo community, I suspect.

Chuck

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

a good quote from Uyeshiba, made in the same thread:

To quote O'Sensei from a John Stevens translation.

"The real art of Peace is not to sacrifice a single one of your warriors to defeat an enemy. Vanquish your foes by always keeping yourself in a safe and unassailable position; then no one will suffer any losses. The way of a Warrior, the art of Politics, is to stop trouble before it starts. It consist in defeating your adversaries spiritually by making them realize the folly of their actions. The Way of the Warrior is to establish harmony."

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

from here:

http://ejmas.com/kronos/NewHist1900-1939.htm

Ueshiba Morihei opens an 80-mat martial art school in Tokyo. This comparatively large size was owed to Ueshiba’s having become a favorite of the admirals who controlled the Japanese Combined Fleet. These admirals, who included Takeshita Isamu and Yamamoto Gonnohyoe, were considerably more powerful than cabinet ministers, and only slightly less powerful than army generals. Training emphasized character development rather than competition or combat. The school had about 200 members, including some 20 women. All members were politically well connected, and had been personally interviewed by Admiral Takeshita. Takeshita told a San Francisco journalist in 1935 that in his school, character was more important than winning or losing. As for his art, which he called Kobukan-budo, "The idea is to use the strength of an opponent and to throw his body almost without touching him. It is very dangerous to teach a young man." During World War II, Ueshiba broke with the admirals and moved his school to the Tokyo suburbs. (Ueshiba apparently disapproved of the war with the United States, and quitting his job was the only way he could express his dissatisfaction)

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

one interesting thing about Uyeshiba is that he is not a traditionalist insofar as he did not rigidly adhere to existing forms, but refined those forms according to his own creative vision.

this points to a similar distinction between fascism/national socialism contra conservativism: a "fascist" does not hesitate to jettison archaic useless forms which are believed to be useless. so, NS for example blended both a traditional understanding of the appropriateness of caste in society, and traditional sex roles, with a 'Futurist" orientation to technology.

again this is reflected in Uyeshiba: as a member of a new sect of Shinto, he was within it as a faith tradition, but within a new iteration of it as a faith tradition, and not in a stale form.

I see other parallels I dont have time to elaborate today. I would welcome a discussion on this topic or if somebody thinks I am reaching, tell me why.

[Hadding]

Why not create our own system of martial arts? Surely we have enough talent among our Kamaraden to do this. I believe that the leader of Imperivm Evropa, Norman Lowell, is a martial arts master. Perhaps he, or someone very much like him, could became the grandmaster of a new White based martial arts. Our new martial art system would include all the hand-to-hand combat and weapons training the existing arts do, but it would have a pro White philosophy. It would emphasize learning and respecting the laws of nature, honor, loyalty and disipline. Ultimately, it would exist to protect the nation of Europe, understood to be all members of the white race where ever they may be, from all threats. Early on, we could learn from other systems like Tae Kwon Do, Yukong, from military sources, or whatever is available in your area, until we have the foundation for our new system. It could be something like the Knights Templars except that these White Knights would be in the service of our Race instead of Christianity. I believe that Hitler may have had something similar to this, a kind of Tuetonic order, if anyone knows the details that could be helpful. The value of White nationalists being able to defend themselves from anti-white bigots would certainly be of value in the short term and if the ‘Kwa was to suddenly collapse, as many believe it will, these Knights could serve as a de facto government in White areas until an official government could be organized. Eventually this new system could become a cornerstone in a revitalized European civilization.
This has been done many times. The Oriental "martial arts" are not necessarily superior to Western forms of fighting. They have just had a lot of good press. In fact a lot of the content of Oriental martial arts training is bs; e.g. the colored-belt system, which is just a moneymaking scheme. And some of the techniques of aikido, for example, are rather hopeless in a real fight. Roundhouse kicks, which wil lget you points in a karate tournament, are useless in a real fight. Why did the Chinese rebels 100 years ago learn boxing if Chinese martial arts are better?

[einzelwesen]

Uyeshiba was a prominent member of Omoto-kyo sect of Shintoism. As solar-pagan religion, Shinto has affinities with many aspects of Aryanism. But that is a digression.

You're right, that is a digression. Seagal is a Omoto-kyo priest, and he's a hippie. Well, kind of.

You're also right about Shinto. For those who don't know much about it, Ameratsu Omikami is the god of the sun, the 'most divine' of the gods (hence the 'omikami'), and the god that the Japanese emperor was meant to have been a direct descendent of.

And the links between Omoto-kyo and Mahikari are weak, at best, besides their both being Shinto sects. Mahikari, for example, derives 'authority' from the writings of many other world religions, and implicitly renounce Ameratsu as the pre-eminent god and ultimate source of 'kami'.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~skyaxe/earlyears.htm

[einzelwesen]

from here, someone alludes to the "toning down" of aikido to mollify US occupiers:

This was done in many of the Japanese martial arts, not just aikido or aikijutsu.

"The real art of Peace is not to sacrifice a single one of your warriors to defeat an enemy. Vanquish your foes by always keeping yourself in a safe and unassailable position; then no one will suffer any losses. The way of a Warrior, the art of Politics, is to stop trouble before it starts. It consist in defeating your adversaries spiritually by making them realize the folly of their actions. The Way of the Warrior is to establish harmony."

I like the Aikido philosophy, but don't see what this has got to do with fascism.

All martial arts masters have something in common with fascism. But not to be rude, or anything, but I do reckon you're reaching.

(On a related note, apparently Mas Oyama was very much influenced from an early age by Otto von Bismarck.)

[einzelwesen]

Bruce Lee came from Wing Chun, which is the most practical form of
wu-shu or kung-fu...because it is the most similar to western boxing.

I've got an excellent article somewhere by William Cheung which, by working with Rafael Ramos, compares the differences between Wing Chun and the Peek-a-Boo boxing 'style'.

When I find it, I'll post it here.

[Sean Martin]

When designing a martial arts system for whites we need to realize that most systems were designed with specific people in mind. When studying different styles from different areas you realize their success is because they capitalize on the physical strengths of the people that created them.

For example whites tend to be taller and slower than Chinese therefore Chinese martial arts won’t work as well for whites. However whites are stronger that Chinese so we need a system to focus less on speed and more on strength.

We need something centered on strength, intelligence and other white traits. Trying to fit styles designed for other races into our bodies will be unnatural and difficult to learn. We will have to conform to the martial arts style instead of it conforming to our strengths and weaknesses. That is why I like Kenpo, when I taught martial arts I didn’t teach robots everyone was taught according to their ability. If I had someone that could grapple I didn’t try to make him do high kicks.

Design martial arts to exploit our physical strengths while concealing and protecting our weaknesses.

Personally I think the George Dillman is probably the best all around system for white people. It is designed around strength and skill while using Aryan intelligence it is not difficult for white people to learn.

Of course Ed Parker's Kenpo can be conformed to fit our bodies as well. It is a toss up between the two.