This Is Unfortunate

[Tristan]

You guys are obviously thinking men...and you are rightly concerned about the dire straits in which white westerners of our generation find ourselves amidst...but you people are self destructing.

Do you really think that other whites don't see the devasting effects of mass-immigration on our culture and way of life?

Do you really believe that the lion's share of white Americans are oblivious to the fact of Judaic domination of both private and public corridors of power?

The fact is that a great many white people, from all walks of life, all across America are painfully aware of the aforementioned circumstances. Many of them feel so dispossessed that they no longer even vote in national elections. However, the way to rally them to political action is not with foul language, exhortations (either express or implicit) to violence, and visceral negativity.

You men need to channel your energy in positive directions.

I know that it sounds like I am preaching, but I am not. You cannot let the cultural devastation that we see around us everyday fuel hatred within you...we must work to salvage what is left of our communities and meet this challenge as honorable men.

You guys also need to withdraw your support from shit-disturbers like Billy Roeper and the National Alliance clowns...these individuals who constitute the "white nationalist movement" are a pack of work shy, socially inept rejects who I would not hire to shovel dogshit off of my lawn...and besides, White Men don't need "fearless leaders" to follow.

I hate to see motivated people with potential waste it by acting out in antisocial and counterproductive ways.

Merry X-mas kinsmen.

[luhwind]

Tristan,

Your concern is well met by many on this board, as you'll probably see browsing around a bit. WN leaders are constantly made fun of, and few see them as role models, or any kind of "fearless leader", yes they are largely a dysfunctional bunch... But you have to keep in mind, the movement is not exactly open to the general public, and you've neglected to factor media influence into your criticism. It was originally intended to be open to the common citizen, I suppose... But at this point it's obvious that the vast majority of people who would be interested in the issues discussed within the movement are turned off too quick to consider it, and are left without an organised body to represent them socially or politically. And about this board specifically, it's mostly unmoderated, not censored, so you shouldn't expect a whole lot to begin with...

As for channeling our potential in positive directions... things are changing right now, a lot, away from the traditional William Pierce teachings perhaps. But as for organisational bodies, we're still relatively clueless, torn between democratic pursuits and anti-democratic ones... Anyway, at this point GOP membership isn't going to cut it, and media attention is hopeless. I'm hopeful, though, that we'll come up with something more effective in the near future, and the focus will be less on organisation and more on action. Because as you said most people do feel the effects, they just don't understand that they have a choice... Membership in or useage of these communities is, for most, simply the best way to exchange ideas and promote comeradery in the meantime.

Do you have any recommendations?

[Magog]

There are better ways to win our freedom. I don’t ever want to be lump in a category of the C.I. dorks. It makes me sick they could advocate the stoning of Aryans who will not obey jesus jewish nonsense. To want to kill an Aryan over a sick weak jewsih god? How stupid.

[luhwind]

Hey now!! I thought the rule was no Mud-slinging?

I said leaders, most of them anyway. Not bad people, just not.. entirely functional

[108]

I agree with Tristan. My parents were aware of the problem when I started discussing it with them. Not so aware of Jewish aspects, but at least they knew about Jewish bankers. My best friend's dad said, when I mentioned a few of our problems, that if another Hitler were necessary then he would come. These ideas & beliefs are out there. Blood tells.

The WN movement insists on projecting an archaic, dangerously nostalgic, often misogynist, & generally negative worldview. White people in general simply don't want a resurgence in Fascism... anymore than they want the one now being foisted on them.

White people in general don't like the idea of lynchings. They don't like it when WN's call other races "muds". These ideas -- these constant, horrible JOKES ABOUT THEM -- turn people off. Moreover, they SHOULD turn people off. White people in general can accept racial separatism just fine. But they know that Jews don't have to make a lot of the WN dysfunctions up; it's more of a "stand in a congregating place with a camera & giggle" kind of thing.

Some say lynchings & so on are necessary? Then give it time. If your faction is correct then Whites will come to see your point of view. But don't discard the possibility that a pro-White movement totally distinct & contemptuously separate from the WN movement could arise & do all the work in six months that WN's haven't done for over fifty years. The real work: not threat & actuality of slavery or genocide.

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[Magnus]

I'll tell you what's wrong with people like Billy Roper. He starts an oranization called "White Revolution" for starters. You get a great combination of corny and scary at the same time. To go with it, it attracts the rejects and social misfits that other "groups" at least try to tone down. An "umbrella" group, think real hard about that one folks...
His last "report" mentioned pouring gasoline on women and setting them on fire. Great P.R. Roper. Oh, by the way, I am not telling anyone to actually go out and do that, just..Well...Um....You know what I'm talking about fellow White soldiers!

Here is the steak= His numbers will no doubt swell as other orgs. such as the Alliance, WTOTC, and the Aryan nations crumble.

Here is the skinny= His organization will crumble right along with the rest as his numbers swell. These orgs. that are based on some radical notion that if we stay legal, they won't harm us, are bound to be harmed. The precept to the ideology of most orgs. are that it will take extreme measures to make a significant impact to reach goals. It makes them seem ignorant and reckless. Alex Linders constant " ITZ coming". No shit Alex.

What I don't understand is why people like Roper, are always reminding the people who already know the extremes, while never teasing the lemmings or newbie with some intelligent reasoning as to why we must band together. " White Revolution, is the only solution" is not enough to get them flocking under your wing. It makes White Nationalists look dumb and blood-thirsty.

Take Pat Buchannan in contrast. Sure, he walks the PC line, and knows this is a must in order to reach the masses. And reach the masses he has folks. His underlying message is EXACTLY the same as ours, only he looks like a wimp to us because he hugs the negro or avoids the jewspeak. So fucking what? I believe his book sold a shitload of copies, he is popular with the same people we could use, he has media coverage, and, as a bonus folks, he can come close to running for president. Did you catch that? PRESIDENT.

We know he's a shmuck, but the people we need on our side don't care. We know Ropers a shmuck, and the people we need on our side know he's a shmuck too.

[Tristan]

Take Pat Buchannan in contrast. Sure, he walks the PC line, and knows this is a must in order to reach the masses. And reach the masses he has folks. His underlying message is EXACTLY the same as ours, only he looks like a wimp to us because he hugs the negro or avoids the jewspeak. So fucking what? I believe his book sold a shitload of copies, he is popular with the same people we could use, he has media coverage, and, as a bonus folks, he can come close to running for president. Did you catch that? PRESIDENT.

We know he's a shmuck, but the people we need on our side don't care. We know Ropers a shmuck, and the people we need on our side know he's a shmuck too.



So you think Pat Buchanan is going to save your sorry ass, huh? I suppose you think Jared Taylor markets our message to the masses as well. There's constructive criticism and then there's bitching & whining. Sure took a lot of talent to point out the one or two defects in Billy Roper's work, and say nothing about all the good he has done and is assiduously trying to achieve. BTW, shmuck is a yiddish word, yid.[/QUOTE]




You don't get it. Pat Buchanan exhorts White Americans to take organized political action in order to protect their interests locally and nationally. You may not agree with everything that Pat says...you may be a National Socialist and think that Pat's brand of conservatism is "weak" as compared to your personal ideology. However, guys like you never cease to amaze me. You are so radical that when genuine rightists like Pat Buchanan, Jared Taylor or Nick Griffin gain political ground, you proceed to slander these men as being "friends of the Jude" or "traitors" or some other such nonsense.

Here is a reality check: The Fourth Reich is not going to happen here. "Itz" not coming. Whites are either going to mobilize politically or they are going to become totally dispossesed in the next 50 years. Why you would not support men who fight against the dispossession of Whites is beyond me.

Billy Roper will never gain any power, nor is he qualified to lead anybody. He is an angry guy who has a Nazi fetish who hangs around other angry people. He is a man of no consequence.

You are a damn fool if you refuse to support Paleoconservatives because they do not take every opportunity to "name the Jew"...and you have a lot to learn about politics.

[Styrkar Nielsen]

We know he's a shmuck, but the people we need on our side don't care. We know Ropers a shmuck, and the people we need on our side know he's a shmuck too.
Whats with the Yiddish? You sure your a Magnus and not a Mosche?

[Tristan]

Guys who never cease to amaze me are kosher conservatives (Buchanan, Taylor, You) flapping their gums about symptoms, e.g., niggers, mexishits, etc, in false front venues like Am Rem, etc.. Don't you know Revilo P. Oliver's story, asshole? he started out in the ORIGINAL respectable conservative organization, The John Birch Society, until he found out there was one group he consistently could not criticize in their publication...guess which group that was? He realized groups like John Birch, AmRen, FAIR, Buchanan's outfit (can't recall the name) were expressly designed to divert resources and energy away from the true cause of our problems--jews--and the ultimate resolution thereof, which is not through politics. He went from conciliatory conservative to fire-breathing racialist. Too bad he's no longer with us, you could teach him a thing or two about the politics of compromise, mental masturbation and voluntarily dispossessing the White Race while pretending to represent it. There's a reason every word out of Taylor or Buchanan's mouth is pseudo-controversial, because just as Buchanan wrote speeches for Nixon, jews write speeches (directly or indirectly) for Buchanan and his ilk. Here's your reality check: condescending pricks like you will be relying on lemming approved circle jerk tactics like forming poltical parties while the ADL trained FBI is kicking in your door after 9/11 II.

Only clowns call people "asshole" over the internet.

You really are out of your mind if you believe that Buchanan and Taylor are undermining the White Nationalist cause by not openly endorsing a National Socialist revolution.

Do you realize that Pat Buchanan DID "name the Jew" in the March, 2003 issue of "American Conservative"? The title of that issue was "Whose War?" In Pat's words, the war in Iraq was being forced upon the American people by the "Zionist cabal" that controls the White House and the Legislature. Pat's strategy was completely on point.

In order to attack Jewish power, there must be a catalyst. Otherwise, the public will dismiss it as "antisemitism" or a "conspiracy theory". Pat capitalized on the Zionist war against Iraq in order to bring to light the shocking extent to which Zionist Jews control American foreign policy.

I'll ask it again, why would you not support a man who opposes ZOG and encourages Whites to organize politically? If anybody is a "false flag", I'd say its guys like the VNN faithful. You people are like a bunch of charicatures...your language is vulgar, you're crazy as shithouse rats, you believe in asinine conspiracies, and you accuse any rightist who does not openly endorse hunting down and wasting Jews as being a detriment or a "traitor".

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

ITZ NOT EITHER OR.

Both of these theses are inadequate.

We need NA, WR, and so forth. We need in your face.

We also need "gateway groups" and paleocons and so forth. The slicksters.

GLR talked about a supermarket of propaganda. How right he was.

ALL men of the west must unite. Atheist, Christian, "Identity" whatever that is supposed to be, NS, paleocon, whatever. Republicans and democrats. Everyone must come together to throw off the abstentee landlord, the hypercritical hypocrite, international capitalist, the self-Chosen idolaters of the self, the Eternal Jews.

Then, in a judenrein cultural space, we can dance on the head of a pin to our European hearts' contents.

So long as the leadership has character, and not capitulating to the Jew, differences in approach are good because they help reach larger numbers of support.

Tristan you need not harness your legitimate critique of the obviously problematic elements of WN to a blanket rejection.

[Tristan]

Contrast my last post with yours: researched facts in my argument, except for reciting Buchanan's authorship, yours is purely invective and opinion. BTW, it's spelled caricature, genius. Your spelling is as well thought out as your arguments. You're like a jew who cries name calling when that's practically all you're doing.

What's with the sensitivity over spelling errors on this board? Is that something that shanty-living white trash fools focus on in order to mask their intellectual inferiority?

I really don't know what "facts" you're referring to. You said in your post that Buchanan and Taylor are "kosher konservatives"...which is really absurd ad hominem. Buchanan is not a national socialist, and you may feel that he is not totally "pro-white" but to suggest that Pat is pro-Jew is just laughable.

You vomited out your radical, hostile, typical VNN rhetoric in response to my post, so I responded with thoughts of my own...that is the nature of discourse. and BTW, its pretty funny being called a Jude by a guy who flies into hysterics when challenged and says "oy! I have given you facts! Where are your facts!?!" Your opinions are not facts, tough guy...Please stop calling yourself a White Nationalist, as guys like you are a detriment to my Volk. When I say MY Volk that's exactly what I mean...we have no use for riff raff.

[Tristan]

Tristan you need not harness your legitimate critique of the obviously problematic elements of WN to a blanket rejection.


The WN "movement" dropped the ball. I'm not giving these guys a second chance.

Are there some good people in the WN movement? Sure. I know quite a few of them personally. Are they outnumbered in the ranks by the pathological losers? Absolutely. Most of the guys who fill in the ranks of these groups are maladjusted, hateful people who really lack any skill for political organization. Furthermore, anybody who thinks that the establishment of a National Socialist government in America is viable is crazy as hell...this is fantastical thinking.

The straw that really broke the camel's back for me was the Ben Smith incident. This clown went on a rampage and wasted random Negroes and Orientals and Matt Hale responded by issuing some asinine statement to the effect that "this is what happens when "free speech" rights are trampled upon by ZOG". Do you realize that when lemmings think of WN, they think of socially retarded reject cult-leaders like Matt Hale who endorse random violence?

Why would anybody who loves their Volk support these lowlifes?

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

re tristan comment: I support WN because my people have a right to self determination. I support it because it is our future. I support it because without a belief in our people as such, we will cease to exist. I support it for the benefit of myself and my descendants and to honor my ancestors.

WN is admittedly filled with rejects. That does not change the truth or falsehood of the premises does it? Ad hominem fallacy.

re dopple: I think that these other fellows probably use the tactics they do because they have a bonafide belief that their tactics would be more effective. For example, if you think about it, domestic native born Whites and blacks have a sort of common interest vis a vis illegal immigrants. That never gets off the ground if you call them niggers all the time. So that I think is part of what Buchanan tries to do: appeal to working class blacks.

On the other hand, wrt Taylor, there are lots of Whites esp with money who run scared anytime one criticizes Jews. At the same time, people need to be educated to race in general as well as Jewish question. Usually once you understand ethnic conflict in society in general, one can then progress to an understanding of the more complicated question of Jews. Amren helps in that regard.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Dopple, you are so right about the Jews. kevin macdonald observed in one of his books-- not C of C, but maybe Separation and its Discontents-- that NS was more similar to Judaism in some respects than western culture in general. For example, western culture has long tolerated and even valued exogamy, but Jews do not. Example, NS Germany criminalized rassenschande in the form of miscegenation ie race mixing ie exogamy. Now you have a recent story out of Israel about how they keep foreign workers away from Jew women. And you have the story of Phineas in the OT book of Ezra, about the Israelite men who took Amorite wives or whatever. There are other aspects of cultural similarity between Judaism and NS but I'm not the guy to run down the list. But one comes to mind: advocacy of the ethnostate and racial/ethnic separation as a means to peace among nations. That was Herzl's original idea. Get the Jews out of Europe and Europe will stop hating Jews.

A few writers at VNN have tried to point this out in different ways, most humourously mr don pauly.

Nietzche, for all the ill he spoke of jews, had a sort of admiration. See the book "Genealogy of Morals" and also read about his break with Wagner.

[Magnus]

So you think Pat Buchanan is going to save your sorry ass, huh? I suppose you think Jared Taylor markets our message to the masses as well. There's constructive criticism and then there's bitching & whining. Sure took a lot of talent to point out the one or two defects in Billy Roper's work, and say nothing about all the good he has done and is assiduously trying to achieve. BTW, shmuck is a yiddish word, yid.


I never said I thought Pat Buchannan was going to save my sorry ass. I am just pointing out the fact, that different approaches lead to different paths. Someone on here asked what was wrong with the likes of Billy Roper. It took NO talent to point out the obvious. Tell me what "good" things he has accomplished Doppel? Don't get me wrong, Roper gets an A for effort, but his tactics have not accomplished one, single, positive thing. Aside form that, It's only a matter of time before he is arrested for conspiracy, tax fraud or running a terrorist organization. Better yet, his own followers will become disenfranchised (spic) at some point and it will crumble from the insides.

It's called a pattern. The same pattern EVERY other save-your-race-kill-the-kike WHITE organization takes. Nobody trys anything different, just a re-hash of the same anger and frustration. I would be proud to belong to an organization that achieved postive goals, politically and within the community.
An organization that I could introduce to my boss and fellow workers. One I could feal comfortable introducing to my parents, my wife and all my friends.

SORRY, " ITZ COMING " and " WHITE REVOLUTION " just aint cuttin' the cheese. I am fucking embarassed when I tell someone who is serious about doing something, and they get scared away at first impression. How do I explain ITZ COMING to my boss? Do I tell my friends and family that pouring gasoline on people and lighting them on fire is going to stop the racial tension in America? Wonderfull, I'll explain to a roomfull of lemmings that if we KILL the jews, Whites will "wake up" and take America back. .........Sounds like something a SHMUCK would say.

[Gott]

Seems like a trap to me as well. Everybody knows if you incite violence you go to jail.

So what is the alternative then? Be polite, don't go to jail and quietly wait and watch while the white race goes extinct? If education can wake enough up, they will not be able to jail us all. That's the only way I can see, along with the notorious irony of how things actually turn out (IE - not the way the 'experts' predict).

[Georgie]

Whites aren't going to be a majority in America or other White countries for very long. Not only would I be worried about the White race dying but I would be worried about whats going to happen to the Earth with so many non-Whites. Their population is sky rocketing and the Earth can only handle so many people for so long. Infact I think I remember reading in a magazine not long ago that Earth has already exceeded its maximum capacity.

[Gott]

You know, most people don't know that's good luck.
They don't know that an American indian tribe used that symbol long before Adolph made it so popular. Most people see the swastika and cringe as they remember how evil Hitler was. Some people even say Hitler was the anti-christ.

The white race will never really go extinct will it? After all the advances in cloning technology. No need to worry, the scientists could genetically re-create Hitler if they wanted to. They have his DNA, along with lots of specimens of the most genetically pure whites. Hey the DNA banks will always be full for generations to come. What are you so worried about extinction for? White's are still a majority in this country anyway, right? So what's the big fuss about? Most white people have money in their pockets and life is very comfortable for them right now. What are you trying to do, start a civil war or something? All this talk about killing jews. Is it really going to accomplish your goals?

Wow Robert, is anybody as green as you seem to be? :) You better get outta here fast or you are gonna have a lot of trouble sleeping nights, once you get the facts. And I do mean facts. Yes we are going extinct. Low numbers always and extremely low birth rates now, and traitor 'leaders' who open all the gates to any and all turd world scum. Robert - in the last decade over 50 million 'immigrants' entered the USA. And very few of them left. Those immigrants ain't white, Robert.

Check out what is happening to whites in ex-Rhodesia and in South Africa now that they are a powerless minority, Robert. The niggers and jews already own our government here - affirmative action, etc. - when we are a voting minority, you think they are going to treat you with the civility and decency with which you treated them? I don't think so buddy.

And cloning and all that other high tech stuff sounds great except the high tech race has always been the white race. What happens to high tech after we are gone is the same thing that will happen (and is happening) to culture and all the other percs that go with the most brilliant race that has ever existed. Niggers have been sitting on their sub-human hind quarters in Africa from the beginning of humanity and have yet to invent - on their own - a written language, the wheel or build a building taller than one story. They are going to be cloning us anytime soon?

No, they aren't. And anyway, why should they or the Asians or the various muds? We are evil whitey, remember? We are 'the cancer of the human race'. If you don't think so, just ask Susan kike Sontag. If they could clone us and did, it would just be to enslave us anyway.

Best thing to do is wake up, take action and take back the world the way we always have.

And I assume you were talking silly about Der Fuhrer before, just spouting the jew lies, because they are all jew lies.

Heil Victory

[Gott]

Cutting edge Cloning research with eugenic potential is very popular these days. Asians have learned well from whites and thus the reason for their superior I.Q. averages. I do not believe all other races hate whites. I thought only Louis Farrakhan and fanatic muslims preached that we are "white devils". Are you saying every mud race is against us?

If I had to give you a one word answer: yes.

Expanded - all races are in competition for shrinking resources. That is just common sense. Do you want to immigrate to Pakistan, the Sudan or Guatemala? I bet the answer is no. Well, an awful lot of Pakis, Sudanese and Guatemalans want to immigrate here (and are doing so). People, if they are healthy, favor their own - blood before water. The numbers tell the story, Robert. There are more of them than there are of us and their birth rates are obscene - like rats, while ours is low. It is pretty easy to see what the future holds unless a lot more white men wake up.
Welcome to VNN Forum, by the way :)

[Gott]

It would be impossible to prove every other race is against the white race. Aren't there many white races? It is even more difficult to prove that every non-white individual has a loathing hatred for all white people.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. thought we should judge all men by the content of their character. What's wrong with that Idea? Aren't white people allowed to chose what they want? This is a democracy. If they want to inter-racially mix, isn't that their pre-rogative? I thought this was a free country?

I think it might be interesting to travel to those countries in times of peace. At this point in my life, I have no intention to immigrate or emmigrate anywhere. Aren't there currently travel restrictions for the Sudan and Pakistan?

Thank you.

Lots of statements in the above, and most of them aren't connected to each other, but they have one thing in common - you are wrong in and aboutvirtually every single one of them.

And in the immortal words of those you fly with: 'Have a nice day'

[konkwista88]

Robert, you seem to be naive about many things. Go read color of crime, to see how whites are getting murdered by blacks in enormous numbers.

http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html

Here is some other stuff you should read:
http://martinlutherking.org

and

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/blackout.htm

[Gott]

Whites aren't going to be a majority in America or other White countries for very long. Not only would I be worried about the White race dying but I would be worried about whats going to happen to the Earth with so many non-Whites. Their population is sky rocketing and the Earth can only handle so many people for so long. Infact I think I remember reading in a magazine not long ago that Earth has already exceeded its maximum capacity.


This started as a CI thread? Things do wander around, around here.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

robert sez:

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. thought we should judge all men by the content of their character. What's wrong with that Idea? Aren't white people allowed to chose what they want? This is a democracy. If they want to inter-racially mix, isn't that their pre-rogative? I thought this was a free country?

I sez:

a) this aint a free country anyhow, so we might as well be in control. anybody who prefers to be a slave instead of a master, deserves to be a slave anyhow.

b) if individuals want to miscegenate, too bad. it ought to be against the law as it was in most places in the US until 1974 when such laws were overturned by the US Supreme court in Loving Vs VA. NOT democratically repealed, mind you: overturned under the 14th amendment, which the Supremes magically figured out in their talmudic fashion, actually prohibited laws that existed for a good hundred years alongside the 14th amendment and nobody had a problem, that is, no judges had a problem until the crop of lawyers that grew up under the influence of Jewish takeover of academia came to power!

3) MLK was a racial nationalist. So am I. MLK was dishonest, and spoke words of individualism when prompted by his Jew tutors. I dont have any Jew handlers and I say, the content of character for each individual is an important thing. Many non-Whites have good character. That is not the point. The point is that our race must control its sovereign lands. WHites must keep a lock on power in the US and European nations must similarly control their own destinies. That is ethnic nationalism no different than that worshipped by Mahatma Ghandi, a Hindu nationalist, who fought the British Empire the same way I say we should fight the JEW EMPIRE.

You sir, are either confused or deluded if you cant see any of this.

[Gott]

robert sez:

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. thought we should judge all men by the content of their character. What's wrong with that Idea? Aren't white people allowed to chose what they want? This is a democracy. If they want to inter-racially mix, isn't that their pre-rogative? I thought this was a free country?

I sez:

a) this aint a free country anyhow, so we might as well be in control. anybody who prefers to be a slave instead of a master, deserves to be a slave anyhow.

b) if individuals want to miscegenate, too bad. it ought to be against the law as it was in most places in the US until 1974 when such laws were overturned by the US Supreme court in Loving Vs VA. NOT democratically repealed, mind you: overturned under the 14th amendment, which the Supremes magically figured out in their talmudic fashion, actually prohibited laws that existed for a good hundred years alongside the 14th amendment and nobody had a problem, that is, no judges had a problem until the crop of lawyers that grew up under the influence of Jewish takeover of academia came to power!

3) MLK was a racial nationalist. So am I. MLK was dishonest, and spoke words of individualism when prompted by his Jew tutors. I dont have any Jew handlers and I say, the content of character for each individual is an important thing. Many non-Whites have good character. That is not the point. The point is that our race must control its sovereign lands. WHites must keep a lock on power in the US and European nations must similarly control their own destinies. That is ethnic nationalism no different than that worshipped by Mahatma Ghandi, a Hindu nationalist, who fought the British Empire the same way I say we should fight the JEW EMPIRE.

You sir, are either confused or deluded if you cant see any of this.

Or, more likely, just another kike, nigger or wigger taking the one week tour of VNN Forum and thinking he, she or it is a mighty clever critter. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Italia]

Worldwide statistics show far more non-white victims who have been murdered by whites.

Why do you choose not to answer the questions?


Obviously you are unaware that whites have a "habit" of reporting and recording the events that happen in white life. Non-white nations, such as black nations for example, do not even know how to write, therefore your false accusation of blaming whites for all the "world-wide violence" against non-whites is unsupported by evidence. All one needs to do is look at black nations in their current wars and chaos. And if you think that non-whites are not murdering whites then you need to wake up, fool.

[Italia]

[QUOTE=Robert]Worldwide statistics show far more non-white victims who have been murdered by whites.[QUOTE]

And just were are these "worldwide" statistics?

[Italia]

I thought whites stole land from the native american indians?
Which lands belong to which whites?


It is a matter of historical fact that every singe adventurer, discoverer, explorer, and founder of lands on the American continent were of the white race. This includes the Pilgrims as well as the early Norsemen, Irish Celts, and Phoenicians, it includes such names as Leif Erickson, John Cabot, Cartier, Sir Humfry Gilbert, John Davis, Sir Walter Raleigh, Sir Francis Drake, Ponce de Leon, Champlin, de Sota, Oglethorpe, John Winthrop, de Varis, Henry Hudson, Peter Minuit, Captain John Smith, William Penn, Belomont, Joliet, LaSalle, Lewis & Clark, and numerous other individuals which were all of the white race.

The Indians never laid claim to all of the "territory" of America because they had no understanding of its size and boundaries. The Indian only claimed the land he was inhabiting and that which he used for hunting, burial, etc. At the time of massive White immigration (circa 1500 A.D.), the American Indian numbered about 700,000 inhabitants and sparsely scattered. Thus the Indians never had a legal claim to much more than 3% of the land at any one time. So it can be said that the Indians did have a legal claim to America, 3% of it, which was considered their "own territory".

[Gott]

[QUOTE=Robert]Worldwide statistics show far more non-white victims who have been murdered by whites.[QUOTE]

And just were are these "worldwide" statistics?


I was wondering the same thing myself. I remember blacks killing blacks in the millions in Rwanda and in the Congo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Nigeria... And then the Cambodians - not white the last time I checked - also killed off a few million of each other not so long back. And those are just the famous examples. Weren't there some rather nasty unpleasantness fairly recently in East Timor as well?

Therefore I am much looking forward to these worldwide statistics.

[Screwface]

3) MLK was a racial nationalist. I say, the content of character for each individual is an important thing

If MLK was a racial nationalist then why was he dreaming of little black boys playing with little white girls?

[Gott]

I was wondering the same thing myself. I remember blacks killing blacks in the millions in Rwanda and in the Congo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Nigeria... And then the Cambodians - not white the last time I checked - also killed off a few million of each other not so long back. And those are just the famous examples. Weren't there some rather nasty unpleasantness fairly recently in East Timor as well?

Therefore I am much looking forward to these worldwide statistics.


Oh yeah, and I forgot - the above is just a Cook's Tour of the really celebrated and overt mayhem practiced by the sub humans on each other. But, don't the dim witted (those African national IQs - wow!) and deeply homicidal actions of black 'leaders' actually achieve the same thing only without the guns, machetes and burning tires around the neck that they usually employ?

Monkey president Mugabe is deep in the middle of murdering the entire population of his country right now. He and his black co-conspirators took a extremely prosperous country and totally destroyed it and all the inhabitants thereof. That too, is mass murder just as sure as if he was using guns. And he is not remotely alone in this. Every year, sure as shit, the niggers start sniveling and whining over their perpetual famines and health crisis over there in the loser continent. And yet, Africa is loaded with natural resources - if only there were human beings to intelligently manage them.

[Screwface]

Monkey president Mugabe is deep in the middle of murdering the entire population of his country right now. He and his black co-conspirators took a extremely prosperous country and totally destroyed it and all the inhabitants thereof.

I believe a whole hearted pat on the back is in order for Mr. Mugabe and his constituants.

[Screwface]

I'm assuming you are asking Antiochus Epiphanes, since the above quote is his, not mine.

Oh, I'm sorry. Yes in that case.

[Screwface]

That's not what I learned though our educational system. Even the History Channel hasn't mentioned your allegation concerning indian claims.

I wonder How the surviving native american indians would respond to your claim on their land? Have you asked any of them lately?

Their too busy with their Lysol, who gives a shit what the injuns think, injuns are soo last century, didn't you hear: Palestinians are the new 'Injuns'

[konkwista88]

[QUOTE=Robert]The recorded history of all civilizations document the wars and the populations of people that have been murdered throughout the centuries.

Ever thought it was a bit odd that whites created virtually EVERY SINGLE civilization in world history? How there was never a single black civilization, or inventor or philosopher in black Africa?



I would suggest you learn not only your own country's history, but the histories of all of the wonderful people that have graced our planet. This might give you a more balanced perspective of real history.

It was mostly whites that have a recorded history? Wait, you really think niggers are wonderful people? A race that never invented anything in Africa? A race that still practices beatiality, canablism, slavery, hideous body baby rape on a grand scale. Wow what a great history! A land where they never could figure out how to invent and use the wheel! Go niggers!


Would you like a complete annotation of every murdurous act committed by whites in the last 7000 years?

Sure go ahead, give us one. Here is one we have for kikes.

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/temp/HistoryofOurWorld.html

By virtue of their supremecy white's must indeed be the most murdurous of all.

So you agree that whites are the superior race? You must be a hater and a bigot then! Oy vey!

[konkwista88]

Name one invention that blacks created in sub-saharan africa.

[konkwista88]

[QUOTE=Robert]I do agree that white civilization has been superior up to this present stage in history.


Haven't we passed the mantle of intellectual superiority to the asians? If not, why are their I.Q.'s on average higher that whites?

While taking average racial IQ into account, you should consider other things as well such as differences in certain hormones, and the SD of IQs among races. Asians have an extremely small standard deviation and thats why they are a race of preservers, repairmen, not creators.

Why is China the emerging giant?


Yeah China has been emerging since Napolean gave China the term "the sleeping giant". It has over a billion people today. But what about the standard of living? How would compare the GDP per capita of China to any white country? Which white country does China surpase GDP per capita wise?

I wouldn't expect negroes to have invented anything. They have never needed to invent anything.

HAHa, what a coop out. There is a very strong correlation between ambition and IQ, thats why niggers have low levels of ambitions. And dont blame it on their environment either. The Olmecs lived in the rain forest, the Muslim invaders that conquered Ghana actually created a relatively advanced civilization until their blood dried up.

Whites on the other hand are never satisfied. They are never comfortable. They always want something more. Why can't we all just be thankful for what we have?

Because whites are losing what they have and what they have created. Even Europe is now quickly being flooded with nonwhites and the continent is slowly looking more and more like the third world that whites originally attempted to settle and civilise in Asia and Africa.

Just because I think some whites may be smarter that other people doesn't make me a hater. It just confirms scientific analysis.

Ever use the scientific method?


I was being sarcastic. I was just alluding to the emotionally charged words that the Jewish establishment uses if you are not politically correct. To them its rather simple, you are either a nationalist or an internationalist. Anyone who stands up for the interests of whites will be quickly branded an extremist and a hater.

[Gott]

If you have to regurgitate endless quotes - which, by the way, you consistently use out of context in typical jew troll fashion- I suggest you learn how to do it fucking right.

For instance - if you want to put the above comment in quotations, once you are in the reply screen, click on it all to highlight it, then drag the arrow cursor immediately above the reply text box and go to the last icon on the right - the one that looks like a block of text in a balloon and click in it. That will show it as a quotation when you post your reply with your comments appearing below and or above it as a normally formatted blocks of text. Highlight and click on each section you want to present as a quotation.

It reads much better, though personally I think the whole quotation bull shit thing is just one of the standard jew scams.

And you Mr. Sleazy, are the person who mentioned 'statistics' not fucking me. So, YOU present them. And we will talk about the world we live in to start with - and we will stay on the topic. Sliming off the topic is another standard KIKE procedure.

However, you are fairly amusing - few comments I've seen here come anywhere near this:

'I wouldn't expect negroes to have invented anything. They have never needed to invent anything.africans didn't need to invent anything'

for hilarity. (and see how much better it reads with the other person's stuff in quotation blocks?).

You might have added that niggers have never been able to invent anything, what with an average IQ of around 70. You know, 70 - the peg for official retardation in the USA? And you are quite right about them not having to either, what with their sub human aspirations and ideals and as long as they have each other to eat and use for skins for 'clothes'.

[Gott]

[QUOTE=Billy Bob]Is this format more to your personal liking?

Okidoki then, if Robert is you...as you say.
My post was to a critter with the handle of 'Robert' not Billy Bob.

Who ever writes 'Roberts' stuff is very sleazy - it is terminally dishonest and 5th rate intellectually as in he, she, it or whatever else Robert is...or isn't...does not stay with the issues that he, she...etc. raises. But skips on to other, usually unrelated issues when the going gets tough - IE the statistics Robert mentioned - and which were then asked for by both myself and Italia.

This a play room or a serious discussion forum? I see that Fredrik H is not around here much anymore and the number of persons on at any given time ain't what it used to be. How about a little self control, and or discipline in here? I'm not, personally, fucking interested in attending a perpetual costume party in here. And, I'm also not interested in weird bitches using this as the Aryan Dating Game and in doing so proving every single argument of those who say women outside the fucking bedroom are nothing but trouble.

We gonna wake up and fight the jew or play ASSHOLE GAMES FOREVER. And, for white people 'forever' ain't as forever as it used to be.

jesus fucking christ

[Gott]

Your words are coming through like your about to blow a head gasket or something. This is a forum for christ's sake, what do you expect?


Freedom and justice are important to me. I'm tired of living in a world where I am a slave. I can do lots of better things to play than hang out here. I'm not here to play, though comradeship is important to me too.

[konkwista88]

Would that explain Japan's lead role in "Creative" Robotics? Show me the robot prototypes invented by whites.

Actually a lot of robotic prototypes were created in Europe. I remember reading an article about it in scientific America. Have you noticed that rarely if ever anyone here says anything negative about Japan, the Japanese or Japanese-Americans. Many white nationalists have a great respect for Japan and the homogenious, close-knite society stands as a model for a future white country.


Asians have pioneered the field of nano-technology as well. Given modern Asian technological advances, it would be difficult to prove an asian couldn't invent anything?

This was just a general statement. I mean look at the last 6000 years in Asia and then at Europe, and then come back to me and tell me who truely invented most of the advances.


If you are willing to concede they are preservers and repairmen, why are whites needed? They can obviously preserve and repair what we have created. They don't need us anymore.

Its not a matter of them needing us so much as white people having a right to suvive as a race. And I am speaking of northern Asians here, not all Asians. Whites have a legitmite right and interest in trying to preserve their nationas as white in the US, Canada, Europe and Australia.




"Yeah China has been emerging."

You would agree this is not a sign of weakness for China. You concede that our low birth rates are threatening the extinction of our race. The chinese don't seem to have a problem in that area. Isn't their race superior by virtue of their overwhelming numbers?


Well relative numbers do change. Up to the eve of WWI whites made up 39% of the worlds populations. So was the white race by virtue of their superior numbers superior just because of that. You really need to take into consideration the huge amount of Jewish led propaganda that whites have experienced since the 1920s, two world wars. I would highly recommend that you go to your local library, preferabably college librray and check out the book culture of critique. It is an extremely well documented book written by a professor from Long Beach State. It explains the Jewish influence on the West very well and the reasons for it.

[sk8nmobo]

While having respect for the Japanese and their attempts to preserve their culture against attacks by our enemies who say the Japanese should allow more immigration and the rest, their innovative abilities are lacking. Take a close look at a lot of the R&D for Japanese companies, and you'll see huge bulks of research and innovation come from American and European companies they have bought up. This is aside from the Japanese and Chinese being two of the largest perpetrators of industrial espionage, patent infringement and patent theft against the US and Europe. What E. Asians will do is take someone else's invention and keep working on it, refining it. The Japanese freely admit this. Michael Crichton commented on it in the book "Rising Sun". The whites go for the homerun, while the E. Asians play littleball. The former head of Sony admitted that the Japanese and E. Asians in general were not very innovative. The Europeans have done a lot of work in Robotics compared to the US, as have the Japanese. But in "practical" robotics, the US is ahead for now.

In terms of history the last 6000 years, it seems that some E. Asian accomplishments are being exaggerated these days as an attack on whites. All of a sudden we're being told the Chinese had this, had that, with no previous evidence of the claims in existence until now. Some claims are humorous. Everyone claims they had printing before whites. The Chinese, the Egyptians, you name it. No one claims whites invented printing. A white man did invent the printing press. The Chinese and their block printing don't qualify. Same with clocks. No one claimed whites invented clocks with gears. But whites did invent clocks with gears and springs that could run on their own after being wound. The Chinese needed water or sand continuously poured into their ponderous timekeepers. Like others have said, if the Chinese had actually invented everything that it is now claimed they did, they wouldn't have been so backward. The E. Asians and their defenders always say the stagnation in Asian cultures was due to having strong central governments, but that doesn't wash. Invention and innovation took off in Europe when strong central governments were established. The reason that whites moved ahead is simply because they have more left brain thinking ability, hence more imagination. Whites are dreamers. At least they were until their "leaders" sold out to the jews and their organized group takeover of most of the West. The future of the West was hijacked. Not permanently. Nothing lasts forever, not even jewish power. But jewish interference has probably slowed down technical advancements in some areas. Their hatred and jealousy of the US space program killed that adventure. Look at how many innovations came from the space program. Who knows what else would have come from it had the jews not killed it, having the money instead given to useless nignogs and dumb as rocks spics?

IQ differences have been brought up here and in other forums. The SD for Europeans is 15 points. The SD for E. Asians is 8 points. There is a higher percentage of the white population with IQ's over 145 than there is for Asians. This might be why so many of the top people in science and technology and everything else are white males. The bell curve for E. Asians is narrower than it is for whites. The difference in the average for whites and Asians is 3 to 5 points depending on whose work you look at.