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Sean Martin
September 22nd, 2004, 06:26 PM
Highly populated cities present a hindrance to self defense. According to the laws of highly populated areas a gun or knife cannot be carried in plain sight, this hindrance is also a problem for undercover operatives who for obvious reasons cannot wear their weapon in open view. Concealed weapons are the only way to aid self defense tactics without attracting any unpleasant attention.
The Principles
What are the important principles of carrying a concealed weapon ? The first is that the weapon should not be detected by anyone in plain sight, it should also be very comfortable to wear, it should be carried at all times and be capable of exacting a stopping power on an assailant. Finally it should also be very quick to use, i.e. quick on the draw.
Size and Comfort
The smaller a weapon is the better. Larger weapons although usually always more effective are uncomfortable to carry and can be detected by onlookers. The more comfortable a weapon is the higher its repeated carry. An uncomfortable device is more likely to be left at home on odd days leaving its owner helpless in time of danger. A smaller comfortable weapon has to be suitable to be carried 100% at all times. Smaller devices do have the problem of having less stopping power but that is better than not having a weapon at all during a dangerous situation.
Surprise and Quick Draw
The best factors aiding self defense are surprise and quick draw. In a dangerous situation requiring self defense the weapon should be drawn and used without hesitation taking an assailant/attacker by total surprise and thus aiding a quick escape. In hostile situations the time taken to use a weapon should not exceed 2 seconds. Weapons such as knives designed for this type of carry usually have built in special features to aid utilization within the 2 second barrier. The weapons carry system is just as important as the weapon itself and should be capable of being worn inconspicuously throughout the year in both winter and summer. It is a bad idea to wear a weapon in different ways from time to time, it is better to be trained on one wear, variations would cause confusion of the draw process in a tense situation.
Concealed Handguns
Guns are usually the first choice of proponents although usually not always the best choice. The smaller size of a handgun usually means that a smaller bullet caliber is used, therefore a smaller gun is usually not so good for knockdown power. An assailant being shot with the minimal .22 caliber pistol can take many shots in the chest before being knocked down. This issue can be solved by using a single or double shot pistol loaded with a high caliber magnum shell such as commonly done with the small well known Derringer pistol. The disadvantage of this being that there is only one chance for its use. How is this caliber size problem solved ? A smaller caliber such as .32 loaded into a multishot pistol can be effective as long as it is directed to specific areas of the body. An attacker shot in the forehead or at the base of the kneck will definitely be stopped. This is not easy to do in a tense situation therefore the concealed carry proponent should be well trained in the use of the smaller handgun. A smaller revolver or double action pistol should be chosen due to their simpler operation, they only require that the trigger be pulled unlike single action pistols which require the gun to be cocked manually before firing. A gun's holster is just as important as the gun itself and should be available for wear year round in both winter and summer and a special fast draw system should be chosen in order to keep as close as possible to the 2 second barrier.
Concealed Knives
Knives are a very good choice for this type of carry; they are inexpensive, do not require a license to buy and are generally viewed less critically by local law enforcement. Folding knives are usually selected by gentlemen as they can be hidden in the trouser pocket. The draw of such a knife would simply involve drawing it out of the pocket and opening the knife single handedly. With folding knives it is important to choose very wisely, a cheap knife could collapse when hitting a hard object and will probably not last very long, a high quality knife will last forever even with use and can sustain a direct strike on a hard object without closing on the user's fingers. Quality manufacturers also take the time to create knives that are extremely light in weight and are very fast to draw. The 'Spyderco Delica' for example is very light in weight, is made of very strong steel, built robustly and has a single handed quick draw system for that 2 second barrier. Other alternatives to folding knives are small full tang blades with a holster. A full tang blade is a blade and handle as one piece, the normal kind of knife found everywhere, with a quick draw holster for this knife the 2 second barrier can easily be achieved.
Pepper Spray
This well known device is basically a chemical weapon that causes severe agitation when applied. A pepper spray does not necessarily have to be applied directly to the face, it can also be sprayed on the skin such as on the back of the neck being just as effective. They usually come in the form of a tiny spray bottle attached to a keychain and do not arouse any unwanted attention. If carried by hand they can be deployed very quickly. A pepper spray is a perishable product though and has to be replaced even if not used at least once a year. The best brand is 'Fox' which is extremely powerfull causing extreme agitation even on slight contact.
Stun Guns
Stun guns produce extremely high voltages by using a normal battery. An assailant in contact with the nodes producing these voltages is temporarily incapacitated aiding a quick getaway. Even with a normal 9Volt Battery the device can be reused without significant drop in knockdown effect. The nodes from where the high voltage is generated should come into contact with an attackers body at points where there is a large concentration of nerves, such the lower side of the hip connecting to either leg or on the neck for the best stopping power. A disadvantage of this device is that it is larger than the alternative concealed weapons and is more suited for carry in a lady's handbag. Prolonged use of the high voltages for testing can cause the electronics running the device to wear down so testing the device's nodes in open air should be done very briefly. An exciting new type of stun gun is the Myotron. This uses voltages at specific frequencies to interrupt the flow of control signals from the brain to the body therefore totally paralyzing an assailant for a minimum of 10-20 minutes until the effects wear off. This device is extremely small in size and it's built in battery lasts for many years.
Applicability with the Law
Laws vary on the carry of concealed weapons from region to region. Handgun laws are very specific as they are concidered lethal and there can be a jail sentence involved for the unlicensed carry of a handgun if the authorities decide to prosecute. Laws on knives are more lax and they can usually be carried as 'gentlemen's tools' without the worry of prosecution. However there are laws for carrying knives, a police officer would usually confiscate a knife on its discovery but further prosecution is usually less common. Pepper spray and Stun Guns have very specific laws on the ban of their carry especially in specific cities in the U.S. and western europe. However a lot of other countries do not have any laws outlawing the import of such devices. The practical reality is that the proponent of concealed carry would rather risk being prosecuted on minor charges such as carrying pepper spray, a knife or a stun gun rather than risk his life not having a tool for self defense.


How To Choose A Handgun (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=124122#post124122)

Introduction to Handguns (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=124121#post124121)

Rob Roy MacGregor
September 25th, 2004, 09:06 PM
Bond Arms Derringers...
http://www.bondarms.com/

Interchangeable barrels chambered in .38 .357 9mm .45 .45LC/.410 Shot 10mm 40S&W etc.

http://www.bondarms.com/gunderrSS.gif

Sean Martin
September 25th, 2004, 09:38 PM
Bond Arms Derringers...
http://www.bondarms.com/

Interchangeable barrels chambered in .38 .357 9mm .45 .45LC/.410 Shot 10mm 40S&W etc.


I like the fact that that one has a trigger guard. It is much safer to carry in your pocket.

I used to have a set of 38’s like this one.
http://www.bondarms.com/gunderrcowboylarge.gif

I sold them both for $100. I cannot believe the prices derringers have now.

$379-445, wow. You can get a good used glock for that price. Guns were much cheaper back in the late 80’s early 90’s. Now I could kick my self for not investing in guns back then. I could have doubled to tripled my money on most guns.

When I had those derringers I would carry one in the hills when I would go out fencing or hunting, and I would carry a shot shell for snakes and a hollow point for other things.

I would say the ones on the page you listed could handle +P ammunition also in 38.

Antiochus Epiphanes
September 27th, 2004, 11:35 AM
I like a good cheap lockblade not more than 4 in. from walmart, with an inobtrusive appearance as possible. in the old days, under 4 inches and not scary looking always got it past "the man." maybe not today, but it might help keep you out of trouble in a Terry stop patdown situation.

Plus, if you ever have to use it, you dont want it to look scary to the jury, just like a utility knife that got pressed into self-defense service. So dont do any goofy modifications and again avoid scary designs like spyderco.

Walmart has nice lockblades with spear points and screw assists for like $6. how can you go wrong. then if you have to ditch it, you dont hesitate because it was so cheap.

Antiochus Epiphanes
September 27th, 2004, 11:37 AM
the greatest thing to a knife is the ability to be quiet and inobtrusive. if you are mobile then walking away quietly from a self defense situation is a good idea. if you are defending your home, that is not an issue since you cant really walk away. so you might as well have a firearm which is preferable as is any ranged weapon.

heaven above
October 2nd, 2004, 12:05 AM
Knives are wog weapons. It's not the white way of doing things.

Whirlwind
October 2nd, 2004, 07:45 AM
Pretty sure Jim Bowie was White. Fixed blade attracts attention, because of the sheath. I have yet to see a folder I would trust like a fixed blade. Grip is important, and folders have no bolster. Ever hold a good fishing knife? Skinning knife? My grandfather always used to yell at me for using the "wrong" tool for a job.
I won't go to walmart for anything I can get elsewhere, either.

COTW
October 2nd, 2004, 08:26 AM
Knives are wog weapons. It's not the white way of doing things.
You reminded me of that scene in the Crocodile Dundee movie where he says, "That's not a knife, THIS is a knife." He then unsheaths a small sword. :D Maybe it's just me but I think I'd rather tackle an attacker wielding a gun than one wielding a knife.

Antiochus Epiphanes
October 6th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Knives are wog weapons. It's not the white way of doing things.


I cant believe I'm hearing an Englishman say this! What about fencing? What about the reknown "commando knife" dagger based on the English design? Come on! You're a veteran, I'll bet you know how just where the subclavian artery and kidneys are! LOL

Bragi
October 6th, 2004, 06:40 PM
Keep a pool ball handy. And a sturdy, long sock. When trouble arises, put the pool ball in the sock. Then hold sock at top and swing hard round and round. This is an excellent way of making a nigger's skull open so that the 69 IQ brain comes oozing out.

COTW
October 6th, 2004, 07:04 PM
Bragi, that technique reminds me of an old Sean Penn movie where he fills a pillow case full of full soda cans and beats the Hell out of the prison's main Nigger then he becomes the Main Man.

RebelRob
October 6th, 2004, 07:06 PM
I used to work security. If you ABSOLUTELY MUST fight ole Sambo go for a choke hold asap. Sambo has a very thick skull and can take some damned vicious blows in that region. However the choke hold is Sambo's weak spot, and a choke will put him out of action asap. It's why police choke holds that wouldn't kill a White man or Mestizo will sometimes kill a Black.
Best regards,
Robert

Sean Martin
October 6th, 2004, 10:00 PM
Keep a pool ball handy. And a sturdy, long sock. When trouble arises, put the pool ball in the sock. Then hold sock at top and swing hard round and round. This is an excellent way of making a nigger's skull open so that the 69 IQ brain comes oozing out.
Didn’t you read this post?
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=10489
I grabbed the hammer and I hit him (robber) upside the head," .. The two robbers left the restaurant without any money and none of the employees were hurt.

I am not so sure a pool ball would do any damage to a groids skull. Also didn’t you see that Rodney King video? Look at how many cracks on the skull he stood and was able to stand up (he was drunk to).

COTW
October 6th, 2004, 10:18 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CREDIT_CARD_SHOTGUN?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Antiochus Epiphanes
October 7th, 2004, 12:08 PM
I think I cracked a knuckle punching at a groid in high school. That is a good story but I am reluctant to spell it out here. That day I came out on top but the next week he got me back plenty. Thankfully there were people there to yank the gorilla off me or the ape would likely have murdered me.

Let's just say, that was before I had learned the Gracie Jiu Jitsu "guard," and when somebody gets their hips above yours, and they are on top, you are in for a beating.

Chain
October 7th, 2004, 12:42 PM
I recently bought one of these 5-shooter revolver black powder .22 magnums,
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jhtml?id=0003223212565a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.giftCertificateURL=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Ftemplates%2Fgiftcertificate%2Fgiftcertificate.jhtml%3Fid%3D0005586990011a%26podId%3D0005586%26catalogCode%3DIB%26navAction%3Djump%26indexId%3D&_D%3A%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.giftCertificateURL=+&QueryText=companion&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jhtml.8&Go.x=20&Go.y=2&N=4887&Ntk=all&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&Ntt=companion&noImage=0&returnPage=search-results1.jhtml
and am very pleased with it. I think I'll arm myself with three or five more of them. They are accurate to 50 feet. The cops caould bust you for concealed weapon, but that's a slightly better charge than having a concealed firearm.

It seems these ZOG crime and Multicult-infested states currently have restrictive black powder laws: HI, IL, MA, MI, NJ, and NY.

The Companion Magnum .22 Percussion Revolver from North American Arms and legendary gun designer Dick Casull is the most innovative percussion revolver in years. The manufacturer, famous for building top-quality, diminutive rimfire handguns, now presents a true .22 caliber cap-and-ball offering. It is the world's smallest, full-functioning black-powder mini-revolver. Surgical-quality stainless steel is used throughout.
http://www.naaminis.com/compan.html
http://www.naaminis.com/pix/naa1.jpg

Some accessories and holsters (including ankle, pocket, and shoulder holsters for the 'Comapnion')-
http://www.naaminis.com/hol22.html

Interestingly, they have a product in their hardcopy brochure which they don't show online. That is a belt buckle 'quick release'. It doesn't fit the magnum model, but it does the .22 long rifle and short models. It looks about the size of a big western or biker type buckle. But it's simply a stainless steel mount or superstructure which releases the weapon with simple thumb pressure. Now, the magnum model has a faster velocity than the .22 long rifle, but the supposed advantage of the belt buckle is, I guess, than a lawyer might technically be able to argue that your weapon was not concealed, in that it was right there are on/as your belt buckle...much as a hunting knife would be visible on your belt- NOT concealed. I've thought about it, and I'd just as soon have about 6 or 8 of them concealed. That's 30-40 shots. It may not be the most powerful weapon, but at close range, wielded by an skilled shooter- it would easily kill.
http://www.naaminis.com/sandypix/158open.jpg

Chain
October 7th, 2004, 01:10 PM
I have a CAztlan-native friend who hates Mexishits worse than niggers, and he swears by Aqua Net!
http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/27121/200.jpg
He says when it gets in your eyes, unlike mace or even CS gas- you almost cannot get it out. My Mom used to spray that stuff on my wet head after I'd bathed when I was a little kid in the late fifties and early sixties, and it is stiff as super glue with moisture, so I could see how it might chemically combine with tears to wreak havoc.

This guy sells daggers cheap.
http://ourlittleshop.com/Knives/Knives.htm

I've bought from him. For some reason he doesn't have his Pakistani wooden handled stainless boot dagger shown, but he sells it retail for about $16 or so. Quite affordable for all. I have bought wholesale. His name is Jeff Bek. Daggers are historically the time-tested weapon that kills. They are said to slip right through the ribs and cut tissue on both sides.

Lighters are often mentioned as legal concealable weapons. I've always liked this one, though I don't own it-
http://www.pipeshop.com/product1.asp?SID=6&Product_ID=7017

Steve B
October 7th, 2004, 11:38 PM
Let's just say, that was before I had learned the Gracie Jiu Jitsu "guard," and when somebody gets their hips above yours, and they are on top, you are in for a beating.


Isn't that exactly how Ken Shamrock beat Royce?

Antiochus Epiphanes
October 8th, 2004, 11:35 AM
I cant remember, but it's game set and match at times. In my case even if I had known how to slip the guard I would have been fucked because the groid wasted no time in whacking my skull on the ground repeatedly. After about three whacks I was nearly unconscious and my football buddies apparently thought I had enough and yanked the foaming beast off of me. I'd probably be dead otherwise.

Yet one of many drubbings I received at the hands of Negro criminals before the age of 18. It kind of has an effect on you. LOL

Antiochus Epiphanes
October 8th, 2004, 12:31 PM
Oh yeah-- NOW I remember. They extended the match numerous times. I agree with Dopp in his characterization of the fight.

Steve B
October 8th, 2004, 06:04 PM
Beat him? That fight was a draw, though he did give him a mouse. Royce has been criticized for being defensive, when it was Glamrock who was tucked, defensive, and just surviving: except for an occasional sucker punch he was going for a draw. Long, inactive, and boring as hell that fight was. :mad:

Ok, it was a question, not a statement of fact.

Antiochus Epiphanes
October 9th, 2004, 01:29 AM
JEW! Anybody that disagrees with me is a Jew and and agent of ZOG! There is a microchip in your ass that says so! And stop calling me Shirley!

Chain
October 12th, 2004, 03:30 PM
In most states, you'd presumably only be facing a concealed weapons charge (not, technically, a firearms charge) plus any sundry, generalized, ancillary White Racist charges they could dream up for packing this old time type sub nosed powder and ball revolver:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jhtml?id=0015521214731a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.giftCertificateURL=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Ftemplates%2Fgiftcertificate%2Fgiftcertificate.jhtml%3Fid%3D0005586990011a%26podId%3D0005586%26catalogCode%3DIB%26navAction%3Djump%26indexId%3D&_D%3A%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.giftCertificateURL=+&QueryText=1860+.44&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jhtml.8&Go.x=26&Go.y=15&N=4887&Ntk=all&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&Ntt=1860+.44&noImage=0&returnPage=search-results1.jhtml
A number of these revolvers were used as a concealed firearm by the security guards of prominent groups throughout the west who were seen as outlaws by the local authorities. The shortened barrel and removed loading lever made them a popular weapon with men on both sides of the law. Comes with a separate brass loading tool for easy preparation of the cylinder.

http://a1460.g.akamai.net/f/1460/1339/6h/www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/21/47/31/i214731sq02.jpg

Rob Roy MacGregor
October 12th, 2004, 04:04 PM
the greatest thing to a knife is the ability to be quiet and inobtrusive. if you are mobile then walking away quietly from a self defense situation is a good idea. if you are defending your home, that is not an issue since you cant really walk away. so you might as well have a firearm which is preferable as is any ranged weapon.

A good Sykes dagger (with training) is an excellent choice...

http://home.wxs.nl/~graspol/im_iacommando_01.jpg

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/ixl/images/sf-71490.gif

Ask Glenn... he'll tell ya.

(Yeah Glenn, we're still using them! LOL!)

Rob Roy MacGregor
October 12th, 2004, 08:41 PM
Have fun explaining that to the pigs if they decide to hassle you. Or you get caught and that gets held up in court . A small lock folder or fixed blade normal everday tool goes under the radar.

I'll take what comes along, but I WILL use the right defensive tool for the right defensive job. (zogspeak)

Be that a sidearm or a dagger. Besides... What's wrong with having a "letter opener"?

Dresden
October 26th, 2004, 08:03 PM
I am keen on lead weights and heavy duty fishing wire swung around at a very hig speed.

Antiochus Epiphanes
October 27th, 2004, 12:04 PM
Have fun explaining that to the pigs if they decide to hassle you. Or you get caught and that gets held up in court . A small lock folder or fixed blade normal everday tool goes under the radar.

I have a nice $6 lockblade from wall mart which is about 3" and serrated and easy openthumb screw on it and a spear point. not scary, very light, and cheap so I wouldnt hesitate to carry it anywhere or ditch it if I had to, without a second thought.

Staying out of jail is a worthy consideration to be sure.