[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

Gerdes’ post # 962 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=962 :

Gerdes acknowledges having read my vacation announcement and indulges in some more of the self-projecting name-calling and somewhat-less-than-convincing victory dances that are the hallmark of his stance.

Gerdes’ post # 963 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=963 :

Some hysterical laughter about photos of bone fragments at Sobibor. Poor Gerdes.

Gerdes’ post # 964 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=964 :

Gerdes must be suffering from memory failures, for he already forgot about my announced holiday absence and therefore idiotically claims that I ran away from answering some imbecile questions of his:

Originally Posted by Gerdes

Well, I'm not surprised that Roberta has tucked tail and ran back to her boyfriend so he can cover her ass and she can avoid answering inconvenient questions. I kicked the shit out of her so bad over at topix, she stopped "debating" me there over a week ago. As soon as I put the unanswered questions to her, she had no choice but to run away like the coward she is, and now she's doing the same here.

Or then he’s just lying again, something that wouldn’t surprise me either. As I wrote in my post # 955:

I’m telling you this because I don’t want you to have a pretext to claim that I have run away and you have won the day (I guess you’ll do that anyway, but you will thereby only be showing again what a pathetic liar and infantile jerk you are).

Following this instructively Gerdian introduction, Gerdes again turns to one of the very few lines of argumentation his limited intellect (and accordingly limited repertoire) allows for: rephrasing or regurgitating his silly questions without addressing what answers to such or similar questions have already been provided.

Let’s see what he’s got:

Originally Posted by Gerdes

1 - On what EXACT date(s) was Michael Shermer physically in the Sobibor camp?

2 - Why does he refuse to reveal this date(s)?

3 - Are there photographs that prove he ever stepped foot in the camp?

4 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

5 - On what date can we expect Shermers report on his findings that resulted from his "firsthand investigation" of the camp?

The following answers included in post # 916 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=916 take care of the above five questions:

Questions irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777) and also without relevance in the context of the NAFCASH challenge.

Nice guy’s answer to irrelevant questions:

1. Shermer is not my "partner", however desperate poor Gerdes is to make him into that.

2. I don’t know if Shermer was physically in Sobibor camp and if there are any photos showing him there, and I couldn’t care less.

What part of "I don’t know and I don’t care" could be too hard for Gerdes’ tiny brain to understand?

Originally Posted by Gerdes

6 - On what EXACT date(s) was Kola physically in the Sobibor camp?

7 - Why does he refuse to reveal this date(s)?

8 - Are there photographs that prove he ever stepped foot in the camp?

9 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

10 - Are there photographs of Kola actually excavating the alleged "huge mass graves?"

11 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

12 - Are there photographs proving that any human remains actually exist?

13 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

The above showpieces of Gerdian imbecility are mostly taken care of in the following part of my post # 916:

Questions irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 ), and also of limited if any relevance in the context of the NAFCASH challenge.

Nice guy’s answer to these questions of limited if any relevance:

1. Prof. Kola is not my "partner", however desperate poor Gerdes is to make him into that. He is, if anything, a potential source of information.

2. The dates on which Prof. Kola conducted his investigations at Sobibor in 2001 must have been prior to the Reuters press release of 23 November 2001:

2. No photos of Prof. Kola in person doing excavation work have to my knowledge been published. However, I have been informed by the director of the Sobibor Archaeology Project, Mr. Yoram Haimi, that the photos shown under http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...nia/index.html are related to Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation in 2001.

3. While no photographs are required to prove that the mass graves actually exist, the three photographs from the above-mentioned series obviously show substances taken with a core drill out of Sobibor mass graves, which are clearly distinguishable from the light brown soil of Sobibor.

[Three photos of core samples]

The light gray substance on the first two photos must be ashes of human bone and tissue.

The black substance on the second photo must be wood ash.

The white substance on the third photo must be either bone ash or lime.

My assumptions regarding the nature of these substances are supported by

a) their aspect
b) their context (Prof. Kola’s investigation in 2001, the essential result of which was finding the mass graves) , and
c) the absence of any alternative theory (at least Gerdes has provided none) as to what these substances might be.

The only question not addressed in the above is why no information about Kola’s findings, except for what he described in his 2001 press statement and the photos shown under http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...nia/index.html , has so far been made public. As I learned from Yoram Haimi of the Sobibor Archaeological Project, the reason why Prof. Kola has not yet published a detailed and illustrated report about his 2001 findings is that he wasn’t paid by the Polish government entity that commissioned his work in 2001. So Prof. Kola is sitting on his findings, so to say, until this problem is solved – which I hope will happen in a near future.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

14 - What were the results were of the analysis of those soil core samples that the jews claim are: "ashes of human bone and tissue for the light gray stuff, wood ashes for the black stuff and pure bone ashes or lime for the white stuff?"

Again from post # 916:

Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777) and also of limited if any relevance in the context of the NAFCASH challenge.

Nice guy’s answer to question of limited if any relevance:

I am not familiar at this moment with the results of such analysis, which have not been published. However, it seems reasonable to assume that if such analysis was done – which is probably the case –, the results confirmed my assumptions mentioned in answer B.3 above.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

15 - On what date can we expect Kolas report on his findings that resulted from his "excavation" of the 7 alleged "huge mass graves?"

See answer to questions 6 to 13. Asking for a "date" is idiotic even by Gerdian standards. How the fuck am I supposed to know? I don’t think anyone knows a date at this moment.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

16 - What proof is there that the "huge ash mountain" of Sobibor is actually comprised of human ash?

Again from post # 916:

Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 ), but of relevance for the "bonus reward" of the NAFCASH challenge.

Nice guy’s answer to question of limited relevance:

All captioned photos showing this mound of ash, while not necessarily if at all describing it as "huge" or as a "mountain", refer to it as being made up of or containing human ash. Photos of this mound include, without limitation, the photos shown under item IV.2.3 in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 and those shown under the following links:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...obibor039.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...obibor040.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...obibor043.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...obibor082.html

The aspect of the substance that the mound consists of, which has a light gray coloration different from the light-brown color of the soil at Sobibor (see photos mentioned in answer B.3 above) suggests the accuracy of captions describing this mound as a mound consisting of or containing human ashes.

So does the associated documentary and eyewitness evidence proving that Sobibor was an extermination camp and that the bodies of the victims were disposed of by burning them, which is mentioned in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 .

The conclusion that the mound in question is comprised of human ash is thus the conclusion that is borne out by all known evidence and belied by none. It is also the conclusion towards which various sources of evidence independent of each other converge. This convergence of various sources of evidence independent of each other, alone or together with the absence of any evidence to the contrary, is proof that the mound in question is comprised of human ash.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

17 - Where are the photographs of the huge pit is that this "mountain of human ash" was dug out of?

Again from post # 916:

Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 ), and also without relevance for the "bonus reward" or the main reward of the NAFCASH challenge, as currently worded under http://www.nafcash.com/ .

Nice guy’s answer to irrelevant question:

The human ashes that the mound at Sobibor is comprised of may have been dug out of one of more of the pits discovered by Prof. Kola in 2001. They were probably brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging, which would mean it is impossible to determine which of the grave pits contained these specific ashes.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

18 - Why does the $100,000.00 - THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE reward go unclaimed?

Besides the fact that this "challenge" is a transparent hoax, because Gerdes’ refuses to specify what evidence would be accepted as meeting the challenge requirements, and because potential applicants are left in the dark as to how their submission of evidence will be processed and that a winning applicant will have to run after 21 characterless clowns for the share of the reward money to which each of these clowns has supposedly committed? And besides the fact that a "show me dead bodies and you’ll get money" challenge is one that most people will probably find too disgusting to even consider accepting it? Well, the other reason is that archaeological work likely to produce evidence that meets the challenge requirements (among much other evidence) is still under way, and even when it has been concluded a potential applicant – like myself – will still have to gain access to its results.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

Roberta:

“Actually I’m able to prove the existence of all of these mass graves by simply referring to Prof. Kola’s description. Proof is contained in Prof. Kola’s published report about his findings on site, and in the documentary and eyewitness evidence about the mass killings at Sobibor, which is compatible with Kola’s findings.”

19 - And where can we find this published report?

In the sense in which I used the term in the above-quoted statement, i.e. as including a public description at a press interview? Here:

(Reuters Nov., 23, 2001)

MASS GRAVES FOUND AT NAZI POLISH DEATH CAMP

"Polish archaeologists excavating the Nazi death camp in Sobibor said on Friday they had found mass graves at the site, which was evacuated by German occupying forces in October 1943 after a prisoner uprising. The excavations were the first since World War Two at the former camp, which was subsequently forested over. They could provide valuable new evidence on the number of victims, mainly Jews, who died in the Sobibor gas chambers. According to official Polish accounts, 250,000 people were killed in Sobibor, which was opened in May 1942 and lies close to the eastern border with Ukraine.''We uncovered seven mass graves with an average depth of five meters. In them there were charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay. That means that in the final stage the victims were burned,'' archaeologist Andrzej Kola was quoted by the Polish PAP news agency telling a news conference. He said the largest grave measured 70 meters by 25 meters, the others 20 by 25 meters. ''We also found a hospital barracks. The people there were probably shot, as we found over 1,800 machine gun cartridges,'' Kola said. ''In the woods we found remnants of barbed wire, which enabled us to reconstruct the boundary of the camp.'' Few prisoners survived Sobibor among them some of the 300 who broke out of the camp on October 14, 1943. Eighty were caught soon after escaping, but some survived the war."

Quoted contents of the report are highlighted.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

20 - Or did you lie about it being published?

Unlike stinking liar Gerdes, whose lies I long ceased to bother counting, I don’t lie.

19 - BTW Roberta, why do you keep running from the questions about the soil core samples of Sobibor?

Again from post # 916:

Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777) and also without relevance in the context of the NAFCASH challenge.

Nice guy’s answer to irrelevant question:

As lying Gerdes well knows, the only one who has been running away from questions regarding these core drill samples:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F5.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F6.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F7.html

is Gerdes himself. I have asked him several times what, other than ashes of human bone and tissue, wood ashes, bone ash or lime the substances distinguishable from the light-brown soil in these samples could possibly be. He has neither provided an alternative explanation and nor had the courage to at least openly admit that he has no alternative explanation.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

21 - What do the frauds at the Sobibor Archaeology Project say those core samples are comprised of?

Again from post # 916:

Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777) and also without relevance in the context of the NAFCASH challenge.

Nice guy’s answer to irrelevant question:

1. Unlike Mr. Gerdes and others of his ilk, the members of the Sobibor Archaeology Project are not frauds. They are serious and competent archaeologists.

2. What I have learned from them about these samples is that they pertain to Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation in 2001, see above answer B.2.

3. This means that if – as is probably the case – these core samples were analyzed to confirm that they contain what their aspect suggests, this was done in 2001 by or on behalf of Prof. Kola’s team, and not by or on behalf of the Sobibor Archaeology Project.

In my next conversation with the director of the Sobibor Archaeological Project, I’ll address the question what these core samples are comprised of. I don’t expect his assessment to differ from mine.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

22 - Can you show us a single photo of a single "huge mass grave" of Sobibor - yes or no?

If photographs of core samples qualify, yes:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F5.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F6.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F7.html

If a photo showing the whole of a given mass grave is what is being asked for, the answer is: not yet, but maybe before the end of this year.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

BTW Roberta, have I ever told you that you’re priceless?

I have very appropriately described Gerdes as a priceless demonstration object of "Revisionist" imbecility. That must have hit a raw nerve, judging by his recurring imitations of my statement.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

Over 10,000 views on this thread alone. Just think how many people now know about the fraudulent Sobibor "excavations" that didn't know about it before?

About excavations actually carried out at Sobibor, lots of people may have learned on this thread.

"Fraudulent" excavations, on the other hand, only exist in the fantasies of a bunch of loonies who call anything "fraudulent" that doesn’t fit their ideological bubble, and whose chief bigmouth has provided no reason whatsoever to suspect any fraudulence.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

And the same goes for the nafcash challenge.

… which, unlike the Sobibor excavations, has actually been exposed as fraudulent. Was that a Freudian slip on the part of Gerdes?

Originally Posted by Gerdes

Thank you Retardo.

Gratitude is all on my side. A demonstration piece of cowardly, mendacious and obnoxious manure like Gerdes is hard to find even in "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land.

Originally Posted by Gerdes

Priceless.

Yep, that’s exactly what Gerdes is. So pricelessly self-defeating that one might suspect he’s an agent provocateur from the ADL.