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Old June 9th, 2012 #321
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You know what Hal Turner's fed handlers did to him right? I don't think using "Well they would have treated him better if he was working with them" really cuts it.

Turner was getting a healthy stipend from ZOG until it couldn't cover for him anymore.
 
Old June 9th, 2012 #322
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Silly Bill, escaped Nazis are supposed to hide out in Argentina close to the Odessa Network and secret ufo bases, not Mexico.
 
Old June 9th, 2012 #323
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While I never posted this, I was rather sure that Pravda Bill was not in Iran. I watched the time of his posts on Facebook and they were consistent with him being in the Mountain Standard Time zone. Had he been in Iran they would have been 12 hours off unless he was staying up all night there. That time placed him in the Western Hemisphere.

As of 07:00 MST, 9 June, 2012, his Facebook account has not been disturbed. I posted on his wall a warning to his 67 Friends about his arrest in Mexico.
According to Bill's local fish wrap, he was arrested at 15:00 local time in Playa Del Carmen. All of Mexico's Gulf coast is CST+1 for DST. This is the same time as 13:00 MST for his last post on Facebook. He must have literally been arrested in the middle of a Facebook post.
 
Old June 9th, 2012 #324
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These emails are unconfirmed. It is curious that Bill was arrested on the anniversary of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. I wonder how that he likes Mexican jails.
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Last Emails Received from Bill White before His Arrest

My very last email from Bill White came at 2:10 on Friday afternoon, apparently right before his arrest. Bill seemed his normal self. He answered a few questions about Germany after the first World War for me. I would post more emails, but the conversation that went on last week would need some editing and I don’t feel like doing that right now.

1. How is Bill?

—– Original Message —–
From: “Bill White” <dhyphen @ yahoo.com>
To: Name Withheld

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 11:00:17 AM
Subject: Re: How is Bill

Honestly, life itself is the best its been in several years.

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From: “Bill White” <dhyphen @ yahoo.com>
To: NN

Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 2:10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Overthrow and question

I think what is missing from the article is that this is not like the quest to “save” America from communism in the 1950s, where there was little communist violence, and the major threat was communism from the Soviet Union, not the CPUSA. Germany was fighting a literal civil war, in which the communists seized control of the governnment of German states on several occassions, during the entirety of the Weimar period. Trivializing the defense of the fatherland is the tactic that is being used in that article — for comfortable middle class Western audiences who cannot understand what civil disorder looks like.
 
Old June 9th, 2012 #325
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I doubt very much that he ran because of the possibility of 3 months extra time.

More likely, he ran to avoid something else that would have landed him in deeper waters than 3 months, something financial probably.

We only have his story regarding the separation from his wife, and it sounds like absolute nonsense. We know he lied saying he was invited in by a foreign country, lied that he was Iran. I guess to some that proves his trustworthiness.

Now we have the most absurd tales of torture, yet he didn't mention them at all during his trial, never laid charges, never said a word. Unlikely in the extreme for William Tell.

Bill was at home.

He was told he may possibly be sent to prison for 3 months, though this was not confirmed, and he would have been able to appeal, and if sent to prison, would probably be sent out again for good behaviour.

Had he been smart, the moment he arrived in prison he would have started studying a nursing course and a degree in theology, attended bible classes, and begun praying mightily.
He would in time have found himself spending his time in the library or dozing in the sickbay. He would have done all he could to enable all the boxes for an exemplary prisoner ready for parole to be ticked, got out as quick as possible, and let his time pass.

Instead he has
1) violated parole so will go back to prison to serve out the remainder of his sentence
2) crossed the state line, thereby ensuring that any sentence to jail would be federal and thus far longer
3) crossed the border illegally, which alone will probably get him another 5 to 10 years.
4) if he was found with US zogbucks on him, will find himself charged with various currency control violations, as will those who sent them to him

So he will now look at spending 5 to 10 years in prison, unlikely to get parole, and will serve out the full time, most likely in a federal maximum security prison.

He no doubt sent out as many communications as possible in order to get as many movement people as possible to correspond with him, and thus associate with an escaped criminal on the run.

He states "Donations to help me settle in my new land are also welcome. Thank all of you who support me."
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=224

As he well knew, any who did send him money etc assisted a "criminal" to flee justice, so will also get locked up in due course.

All in all, he will have probably caused several WN to now get locked up, some for several years.
In his month on the run, he may well have given the federales all that they need to take in most of the NS movement, which they had not been able to accomplish in approx. 60 plus years.
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Old June 10th, 2012 #326
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As of 09:00 MST on 10 June, Pravda Bill's Facebook page is still on line with 64 friends. If memory serves he had 67 before he was arrested which means three of his friends got scared.

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2) crossed the state line, thereby ensuring that any sentence to jail would be federal and thus far longer
3) crossed the border illegally, which alone will probably get him another 5 to 10 years.
His case was already federal and he was in federal prison for the crimes he was convicted of previously. No change there.

If he had escaped, at least from a state prison, he would be looking at another five years added to his sentence for escape. I don't think they can add five years since he merely violated probation. He will likely serve out the remainder of the sentence he originally received now.

His behavior in all of this, including the original magazine publication, etc., was so unnecessary. Why is it that people just can't live quietly and pursue happiness engaging in innocent and harmless labor to support one's life and family? Why did White feel compelled to engage in all of the theatrics?
 
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His case was already federal and he was in federal prison for the crimes he was convicted of previously. No change there.

If he had escaped, at least from a state prison, he would be looking at another five years added to his sentence for escape. I don't think they can add five years since he merely violated probation. He will likely serve out the remainder of the sentence he originally received now.

His behavior in all of this, including the original magazine publication, etc., was so unnecessary. Why is it that people just can't live quietly and pursue happiness engaging in innocent and harmless labor to support one's life and family? Why did White feel compelled to engage in all of the theatrics?
The famous Frog Atheist Voltaire said that the only way to understand the mathematical concept of infinity is to ponder the extent of human stupidity. Pravda Bill had plenty of money from his housing project and was a master of National Socialist economics. His hate magazine was world class. He pissed it all away. It is hard to blame his misfortune on the Jews. He shit in his own nest.
 
Old June 10th, 2012 #329
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His behavior in all of this, including the original magazine publication, etc., was so unnecessary. Why is it that people just can't live quietly and pursue happiness engaging in innocent and harmless labor to support one's life and family? Why did White feel compelled to engage in all of the theatrics?
In a way this is a valid criticism but it's carried too far here. It is not a choice between deliberately scaring people until one gets locked up, or living a quiet and innocuous bourgeois existence. There are ways to be political without deliberately scaring people. White seemed to go out of his way to scare people, not with any view toward accomplishing anything but just for the fun of it, and he got a reaction.

At bottom it all seems to have been about demonstrating that he was smarter than everybody else, because he could see the limit of the law and march right up to that limit and not get hurt. The flaw in that plan is that attorneys make their living from finding ambiguities in the limits of laws, and juries can be swayed by feeling too, so that relying on the law as an absolute defense for extremely unpopular behavior is never entirely safe.

We can make unpopular statements probably with much more impunity if we do not also engage in posturing that makes us look dangerous. Speech is sacred in the USA; dangerous posturing, not so much.

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In a way this is a valid criticism but it's carried too far here. It is not a choice between deliberately scaring people until one gets locked up, or living a quiet and innocuous bourgeois existence. There are ways to be political without deliberately scaring people. White seemed to go out of his way to scare people, not with any view toward accomplishing anything but just for the fun of it, and he got a reaction.

At bottom it all seems to have been about demonstrating that he was smarter than everybody else, because he could see the limit of the law and march right up to that limit and not get hurt. The flaw in that plan is that attorneys make their living from finding ambiguities in the limits of laws, and juries can be swayed by feeling too, so that relying on the law as an absolute defense for extremely unpopular behavior is never entirely safe.

We can make unpopular statements probably with much more impunity if we do not also engage in posturing that makes us look dangerous. Speech is sacred in the USA; dangerous posturing, not so much.
I repost part of the above for emphasis.

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We can make unpopular statements probably with much more impunity if we do not also engage in posturing that makes us look dangerous. Speech is sacred in the USA; dangerous posturing, not so much.
As much as I know about Pravda Bill, he has been fighting the cops since the days when he was a Communist in high school. He has fought the cops and won half the time. He forgets that the cops can cover three shifts and he can only cover one. I have fought the cops and won. I have also fought the cops and lost. The trick is choosing your battles wisely and avoiding fights where possible. My track record is 80% win.

I loved the way that Bill did his Nazi street demonstrations in Negro neighborhoods and provoked the Negroes into attacking the cops. The cops beat hell out of the Negroes. This is the way that it should be done.

If Bill had cooled it by 10%, he would have avoided most of his battles with the cops and WON all that he fought. Now he is out of action when we need him the most. I hope that he fights extradition from Mexico and manages to get political asylum somewhere. He needs to ponder that discretion is the better part of valor. He also needs to have a long talk with himself.
 
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It would have been far more productive of him to withdraw his consent and refuse to participate in voluntary servitude thereby removing his financial support in what is a program to destroy him and his family.

He's done their work for them and is paying a high price. I played that game myself and suffered the consequences of a few poor decisions but learned fast and make a concerted effort to make better decisions now that I'm older.
 
Old June 11th, 2012 #332
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Angry Unconfirmed Report of Expulsion from Mexico

This is unconfirmed and I hope not correct. I was hoping that Pravda Bill could claim political asylum in Mexico or Iran. I can't see how it could take a month to get him back in Roanoke if he was in Federal custody.

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Neo-Nazi Bill White may wait up to a month to return to SWVA

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It could take up to a month before Neo Nazi Bill White is back in Roanoke.
Local U.S. Marshals said American authorities have taken White into custody after his expulsion from Mexico. Authorities arrested White on Friday in Playa Del Carmen, a beach resort town south of Cancun. He had been on the run for close to one month.

Court records show White's probation officer went by his apartment for a check on May 11th. The officer recorded that all White's personal belongings were gone and White left a note telling his landlord he would never return.
 
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This seems to confirm that the fat lady has sung and the Opry is over.
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Federal fugitive White back in the U.S. after capture in Mexico
By Laurence Hammack | The Roanoke Times

William A. White, a former neo-Nazi leader and more recently a fugitive from the law, is back in the United States. White is being held in a federal detention facility in Miami, according to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons. Authorities flew White to Miami from Mexico, where he was arrested Friday on charges of violating his probation, either late Sunday or early today.

White was quickly deported from Mexico, apparently because he entered the country illegally, said Chief Deputy Brad Sellers of the U.S. Marshals Service. Authorities say White, who was on supervised release after serving prison time for making racially charged threats, left his home in Lexington last month without informing his probation officer – a violation of his probation.

From there, White made his way to Playa del Carmen, a resort town near Cancun, where he was arrested Friday afternoon. White now faces a hearing in federal court in Miami before his transfer back to Roanoke. At that point, he could face additional time for violating his probation.
 
Old June 11th, 2012 #334
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The flaw in that plan is that attorneys make their living from finding ambiguities in the limits of laws, and juries can be swayed by feeling too, so that relying on the law as an absolute defense for extremely unpopular behavior is never entirely safe.
Great point!

This is precisely why we can never count on the judicial system for relief.

As far as a so-called legal system is concerned, all we have as Whites today is the proverbial kangaroo court that puts on a staged vaudevillian show with all of the characters dutifully reading their lines as written and directed by the jew.

For us, the concept of an impartial jury is particularly laughable.

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This is precisely why we can never count on the judicial system for relief.
That's an overstatement. Bill White really went out of his way to make himself odious to mainstream sentiment, in ways that for the most part weren't even useful. You can't infer from what happened to Bill White that White racialists in general are going to be treated unfairly in court.

The biggest strike against Bill White was that he was obviously trying to promote terrorism. He made this explicit on his Facebook page in the past few weeks. "Political Terror: the only thing they understand." He was saying basically the same thing less directly before he went to prison. When you do that, it throws other things that you do in a different light: a nasty letter is no longer just a nasty letter; it tends to be viewed as a threat or an attempt at intimidation. A guy that says and does everything that Bill White did EXCEPT hinting at political terrorism probably would never have ended up in prison.

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The reach of our federal antagonists stretches to every corner of our lives. While nobody can assign blame to the feds for everything that goes wrong, we are denied justice by their influence---don't kid yourself that the locals aren't notified by the feds about us.

He is a martyr. A martyr is the one who puts it all out there--for better or worse--knowing that the repercussions will be great. He's not a saint, but neither am I. Are any of us? Can any of us say that we haven't done worse than the worse of us (rat-faced snitches excluded)?
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According to the Bureau of Prisons website, Pravda bill is in Miami. They are in no hurry to get him back to Roanoke. He might get probation again. They will likely make his hearing on probation violation a lengthy and slow one. His release date is shown as unknown.

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You can't infer from what happened to Bill White that White racialists in general are going to be treated unfairly in court.
This assertion gave me pause.

Even the most meagerly awaken racialist understands the court system is stacked against us. The jew's have their Pavlov's dogs trained not only to salivate but attack at the mere mention of anyone who dares approach a proWhite stance. And that entails the entire cast of judges, prosecutors, juries, covering media personal as well as 90+% of the candid viewing audience. One need not threaten anyone in order to bring them down on us. However, I agree it gives the jew a propaganda bonanza when they can ensnare and then publicize someone who's reckless with what they say in public.

If in the remotest way, the jew can with it's media affix a label that includes the word "White" in it on us, we don't stand a ghost of a chance of prevailing in a courtroom. This is a universally accepted axiom for all jew-wise Whites.

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... we don't stand a ghost of a chance of prevailing in a courtroom. This is a universally accepted axiom for all jew-wise Whites.
What I said is that you cannot generalize from what happened to Bill White, because Bill White's behavior was extraordinary. He was trying to encourage others to violence; in particular, he was trying to meddle with legal processes by encouraging violence. I said that anybody who presses his freedom of speech that far will not be safe from prosecution. Wording the incitement to violence cutely so that it seems to be technically within the law may not work, especially if you have gone out of your way to make yourself appear dangerous! Somehow you twisted my words into the generalization that racialists cannot get fair treatment in court, which does not follow at all. Even if it were true, you couldn't prove it from the case of Bill White.

Is it true that White racialists can never get fair treatment in court?

I understand that a lot of people think that, but it's not true. There is bias but not to the point that facts and the law don't matter. Do a little research and you will find examples of racist defendants being acquitted.

This negative assumption, that racists can't win, works against the cause very much.

It has very little to do with what happened to Bill White.

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What I said is that you cannot generalize from what happened to Bill White, because Bill White's behavior was extraordinary. Somehow you twisted my words into the generalization that racialists cannot get fair treatment in court, which does not follow at all. Even if it were true, you couldn't prove it from the case of Bill White.

Is it true that White racialists can never get fair treatment in court?

I understand that a lot of people think that, but it's not true. There is bias but not to the point that facts and the law don't matter. Do a little research and you will find examples of racist defendants being acquitted.

This assumption that we can't win works against us very much.
Mincing or parsing words isn't my style. Often I paint with a board brush and use superlatives in order to make my point. I expect the more learned to glean the gist of what I'm writing.

Bill White like many other outspoken White people has gotten himself in serious trouble by taunting the jew and thinking the courts and his civil liberties might afford him some protection. We need to impress upon the minds of the up-and-coming racialists in the strongest terms the courts aren't a level playing field for the White man. Bill White's unfortunate circumstances give us that opportunity.

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