Airyanem Vaejah: Forming White Nation in EEurope

[Alex Linder]

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/l...22804outis.htm

Airyanem Vaejah
by Mr. Outis

28 February 2004

Hey -- White Folk Nation somewhere in the soon-to-be-depopulated regions of Eastern Europe?

I like this idea. This is a good fucking idea. I dare say it is the idea.

Indo-Aryan homeland....the Zoroastrians - true Aryans - still have an expression for this, in their mythology: Airyanem Vaejah: Aryan expanse.

Membership in the EU opens the door onto foreign investment; previously, for example, an American couldn't buy land in Romania. (I thought of buying land there, two years ago.) And with its mixture of Roman and Slavic blood, Romania is as White as it gets. Scrape some dirty 'Kwa mudmoney together and it's pe curând to our fellow Americoons! No more shitting in the international shithole! Unde este o tualeta?

A few years ago, wasting time on an anarchist forum, I made a simple experiment: I 'lobbied' for a consortium to see how the idea of pooling resources for property would take. I never took this seriously, because as we all know anarchists are judaized faggots, and living with them in some kind of 'Kwa-kibbutz is, of course, out of the question. But I was surprised, even touched by the level of support it generated: these kids went so far as to circulate a newsletter - by post - related to property venture. And I can't be entirely proof-positive, but I'll make a very confident guess that all of these kids were white; misguided, as most of us once were, but their hearts are somewhat in the right place -- as Nietzsche said of anarchists, "at least they want to get away."

Think about it: we get a few key investors to buy up property in Rumania, or Latvia (which is already afraid that its land will fall into the wrong hands and depose the farmers), or whatever looks best and relatively most judefrei. These investors in turn parcel it out to smaller investors, and smaller investors are encouraged independently; putting the logistics aside, even, the essence of this is that we would all share the same general worldview, and would facilitate each other in establishing ourselves in what will come to be our "Israel", MINUS the oppression, the lies, the bloodshed, the illegality, the rot, the KIKES, etc. After a generation or two, our sons run for political office; they influence the country (countries?) further in the direction we want to take it. The native populace will love us -- model tenants, devoted to our community and theirs, eager, crusading in our will to keep their, our country clean, free of the poison.

[The Pan-Germans did this in the 19th century, in South America. There are still German communities in Brazil, in Uruguay and other parts. These men saw what was happening, and no doubt what was coming, and acted. These ventures failed in their large-scale goal because they planted themselves in the middle of a largely non-white populace, and eventually had to integrate economically. -- You can find other cases of this. America was one: and again: economic overextension, leading to you know what, etc.]

Look, if the fucking jews can be patient, plot, manufacture and carry out a nefarious, infamous, brutal, illogical scheme to capture a land that was never theirs, perpetrate genocide against millions of whites through a monopoly coup d'etat in a foreign government infecting god knows how many other countries with its insidious jewish rot, and hold all this together with the aid of our brainwashed brethren in Europe and "America" -- why can't we pull ourselves together and go about it civilly, coolly, decently and, above all, successfully?
And this isn't just "north Eastern Europe". I know many of you cherish things Northern, but if you suspend this hangup for a moment, you'll notice things below the radar: namely, the -istan countries, the blown-out husks of Soviet territory which are, believe it or not, predominantly Aryan and Turkish by blood, and nearly 100% Muslim, meaning we would have the instant support of, oh, a billion or so seriously anti-jew Arabs, Aryans and Turks. A settlement - and that's what we're talking about, unless that whole article I just read was parody, and even so it's great - in one of these countries would have the benefit of taking root in new government, i.e. potential for more chance of eventual political influence. -- On the other hand, these are all, or will be, under close watch by our domestic hawks.

Anyway, I think this is a most fruitful idea, for any who are serious about abandoning the Americoon disaster, and what it's doing to us; did not your - I cannot say 'our', being Italian/English - YOUR very forefathers come here to found a nation on principles they held in common? And how many goddamn times have you just sat back after reading something on VNN, or after seeing niggers on Tee Vee for the zillionth time, or not gotten a job because some LaQwanda or Shanise or LeVaun Tyrel Shakazooloo was token-picked, or not gotten a date with a cute white chick because she thought dating niggers is "cool"; how many times has this happened, and you've just thought, to yourself, stewing in utter frustration: Yeah, but what the fuck can I do about it? And for how long will we say to ourselves, "But if we leave, that's admitting defeat"? Of course it's admitting defeat! We have been defeated! Can anyone give me any cogent evidence for suspecting that there is some magical White Renaissance lurking around even the distant future? I advise anyone with such a hope to revisit all our major cities, to watch more Talmudvision, to go back to college with a bunch of nigger-jew-asian classmates, et cetera ad nauseam. Do you really want to go out to the "Heartland"? the Midwest? Idaho? All those plains and....plains and...plains, are calling you! Sandwiched between San Francisco and Jew York, Lost Anuses and Washington, District of Congo, well, best of luck to you out there. I respect your resolve. Stick with it. Ultimately, your time may come -- but I doubt that time will be a victorious one. In the end, it comes back to the old "Guess who's coming to dinner?", and the only way to put an end to this is a real effort on the part of serious-minded white nationalists - and it is only in this sense that I will use that expression - to establish their own society, legally, and to influence that society, again legally and without any jew mind-warping tactics perpetrated against the native people, whose language we must learn and whose customs we must uphold and whose children we must protect. If we are serious, and I have no doubt that many of us are, I do not believe we have any other course of action than this. Just because we're on an internet forum, and our ideas are unpopular, doesn't mean we can't succeed if we try -- but we're damned already if we don't try.

It comes down to this, very simple question, which you must pose to yourself in the silence of conscience: Action, or words?



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Turks,Arabs and Romanian gypsies?why not move to Camden,New Jersey,real estate is cheaper and less chance of getting your throat slit

[Agis]

Well written articles both. Not a option for most. But for the forum members that have their lives ahead of them, it's certainly an option worth considering.

For Irish-German stock I'd recommend either of the 3 Baltic States; for Russo-philes the Urkraine; for Med Stock Romanian/Bulgaria.

EU cuntries actively discriminate against Amerikwan immigration which makes good sense for them. They don't what Tyrone, Wiggy or Iz either.

The pros:
1. Minimal nigger-jew influence, i.e. a future
2. Native Euro-cultural landscape, i.e. high living standards
3. Prime Europussy, i.e. having your cake and eating it too
4. You can still support of the WN movement regionally and internationally

The cons:
1. Cutting family ties / support - isolation
2. Reduction to "imma-gent" status - bureaucracy, no right to work, etc.
3. Difficulties with the language

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Look to latch onto a university program. The student network is a big help and it also primes you for entry into society proper. Most people still believe the hype about the US, so you'll just have to keep your mouth shut and chalk it up to 'media-suspension'.

It pays to research the country BEFORE you commit yourself. There are a lot of trapdoors for imma-gents as well there should be.

For those with their stake in the US. The National Alliance and White Revolution are the best shows in town.

If all else fails at least you were able to live in the homeland for awhile and if it ever came down to war you know you'd be trying to bust back in. But hopefully by that time you've had a couple of kiddos to leave behind. The US might be a dumping ground right now, but it could just as easily turn into a playground and I think that's what most of ya'll are waiting for...

[FranzJoseph]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

[The Pan-Germans did this in the 19th century, in South America. There are still German communities in Brazil, in Uruguay and other parts. These men saw what was happening, and no doubt what was coming, and acted...]

19th century Pan-Germanic leaders in both Germany and Austria were often Jewish and I think that's where this sort of thing might actually lead. There will not be enough Whites to make this sort of thing happen until at least some powerful Jews say it's okay. Whites have too much xian-zionist-induced guilt. Only if Jews see no exit from the afro-chinese-whatever slum America has become will they rally the white remnants with "white power" slogans. And the white remnants will be so dejected by then they'll be glad to fight for forgiveness. (And maybe a non-third-world future.)

I'm not being negative here, but facts are facts.

Originally Posted by T.O.dude

Turks,Arabs and Romanian gypsies?why not move to Camden,New Jersey,real estate is cheaper and less chance of getting your throat slit

Ah, yes, the throat-slitting Turks and Arabs....ha. As you like.

Originally Posted by Agis

For Irish-German stock I'd recommend either of the 3 Baltic States; for Russo-philes the Urkraine; for Med Stock Romanian/Bulgaria.

Well, the idea is not to spread things out, but to have a concentration of white nationalists in one white area. I realize this offends the sensibilities of some, but worthwhile resistance demands close cooperation. If the situation is as dire as we say, we cannot afford to spread it out over the entire continent, or even between non-neighboring countries. Surely white-white mixing is not to be condemned?
Russo-philes might not like Ukraine, and even if they do, it's on a false premise: Ukrainians and their language are Indo-European. I forgot to mention this last night. Ukraine is a prime choice; a main objective there, I think, would be to make the environment so that all these women don't have to sell theirselves online or to Israel.

Originally Posted by Agis

EU cuntries actively discriminate against Amerikwan immigration which makes good sense for them. They don't what Tyrone, Wiggy or Iz either.

I can't see that this is true. I have studied the laws of most European countries and the story is pretty much the same everywhere: If you have money, you can buy land; if you remain legal for x years, you can apply for citizenship—and you're more likely to get it than asylum seekers. That's all there is to it. They might not want Tyrone or Iz, but they are *still* taking in all the Kuntas and Zulus.
There are, of course, nations which are more or less friendly to Americans. Spain seems to be very hostile to Americans and white nationalists. There is, also, the fact that these new EU countries in the East will then be effectively under the jurisdiction of Simon Wiesenthal and Abe Foxman; but the idea, again, is to get our children - or even ourselves, after a time - into their politics. But, because of this EJew pressure, I again recommend for consideration the former Soviet Muslim countries, and Ukraine.
Family ties needn't be cut. I mean, you'd be leaving the nest, sure. What can I say? One has to make big sacrifices to get big results.
Concerning work, and immigrant status, that's not really a concern: the idea is to own the land, and so long as taxes are paid and no crimes are committed we cannot be moved; local workers can be employed to work it, in cultivation or clearing (for the settlement of more white immigrants). Work would certainly suffer, but think of it this way: each would be responsible for making his living off the land. Most of the people in these countries can't get jobs themselves. What someone can contribute, they should, but we cannot be bound by the legalities of working, if they are not forthcoming, and, I think more importantly, if working in public would put out any citizens. — This is an important issue. The fact is that every one interested in this would have to get their priorities and capabilities straight, before venturing in. No one will be able to go down the street looking for work at Wal-Mart or whatever. At most, we could get work with local farmers, or as tour-guides and translators (an incentive to learn the language). But, if you've ever gone camping, you know that living a bit rough is work enough. There wouldn't - unless a particularly wealthy investor goes in for it - be apartments or anything.
Language is a difficult matter, you're right. This would be the responsibility of each, but I wouldn't say that it's necessary for each: the goal is to make families there; the children would learn it and become the generation to enter more deeply into the society, implementing our values.
The acquisition of any Indo-Aryan language is facilitated by a few simple methods. My first rule is the "ast-est-ist-is" rule: ast, "is" in Old Persian (Avestan, Pahlavi), Sanskrit, Hindi, and Modern Persian (Farsi, Dari); est of course, "is" in Latin and its Romance variations; ist, German; and our quaint little 'is'. All one need do is study these relations. Second, learning a Romance language, or a bit of German; then, turning one's attention to something more difficult, such as Sanskrit or (non-IE) Arabic, so that when one turns *back* to the necessary language, let's say Romanian, they find it more approachable, like native air. In any case, again, it's not necessary that each immigrant should learn the language: so long as at least a few of the key investors know it, or at the very least a handful of us who can master languages, the project would be fine with the rest of us learning the most useful phrases.

Your suggestion that one go through university programs is good. I'm biased here, I hate the schools. But if one can manage that, it's a good setup, good training.

Originally Posted by FranzJoseph

19th century Pan-Germanic leaders in both Germany and Austria were often Jewish and I think that's where this sort of thing might actually lead. There will not be enough Whites to make this sort of thing happen until at least some powerful Jews say it's okay. Whites have too much xian-zionist-induced guilt. Only if Jews see no exit from the afro-chinese-whatever slum America has become will they rally the white remnants with "white power" slogans. And the white remnants will be so dejected by then they'll be glad to fight for forgiveness. (And maybe a non-third-world future.)

I'm not being negative here, but facts are facts.

Huh. I didn't even know there were Jews involved in that. Well, that may be fact, but I'm not sure if it's fact that we could only find enough participants if the Jews get cranky here and say it's ok. In fact, based on that scenario alone we might be able to pique people's interest. This is where being in EU comes into play as being potentially crippling: we'd be under the thumb of the judaized EU leaders. Once again, I can only recommend the former Soviet (largely white) Muslim nations and Ukraine.

But you raise an vital issue: numbers. How many would be essential? 2, 3000 to start? Surely that many qualified whites could be found, not even internationally. And once the thing is actually set up, others will follow. I know there are at least these few thousand whites who do not feel guilty for anything, and would be eager to participate in a project like this.

Originally Posted by Agis

For Irish-German stock I'd recommend either of the 3 Baltic States; for Russo-philes the Urkraine; for Med Stock Romanian/Bulgaria.

Something more: would the Zionists have captured Israel if they said, "Ok, we'll have a Zionist settlement in Poland, one in America, one in Africa..."? No. They did and do have informal settlements there, but their idea was to have a unified political body under their control. — And they *want* us divided, rememeber: insisting that the varieties of Aryan man be kept apart in a venture which is to be the clarion call of all Aryan men is simply counterproductive. No, this would embrace *all* white men: from the old Cossack blood on the Ukrainian steppes to the Shluh clans of northern Morocco, any white man or woman would have to be welcome.

More on settlement procedure and work: not everyone, of course, wouldhave to go Thoreau. This is for those who have no money to set themselves up, and must rely on the big investors. I believe that should be free or extremely cheap. — On the other hand, one can save money here. I assume most VNN readers have jobs. Money can be put away; and not even much is needed to make a move: cheap tickets can be found, small parcels of land or apartments are guaranteed cheap in these ex-Soviet countries (including Romania, etc.), taxes even cheaper, and if one takes the trouble learn the language, that's an opportunity. The only snag, right off, is legal residence: all one need to is cross and recross a border every three months to refresh one's three-month status. And if one marries, that's citizenship. One could even look into marriages of convenience beforehand: many of them want to come *here*. (http://www.migratemate.com)

Perhaps this shouldn't even be thought of as a 'settlement'. There should be settlement characteristics, but overall it should be a loose federation of we who wish to establish ourselves in a white country in Central Europe/West-Asia and influence it in the direction of our values. Real estate is very cheap out there. You can get a small, dilapidated ("charming") house for $10k or less. Businesses can be purchased, and our confederates employed.

[FranzJoseph]

Originally Posted by MrOutis

Huh. I didn't even know there were Jews involved in that....

Right. This is not well known at all. The first place I saw it was at the reader review page at amazon.com for KMAc's book Culture of Critique. Then I checked around. Even the pan-Germanic movement in Prussia had lots of Jews.

How many would be essential? 2, 3000 to start? Surely that many qualified whites could be found, not even internationally. And once the thing is actually set up, others will follow. I know there are at least these few thousand whites who do not feel guilty for anything, and would be eager to participate in a project like this

Agree absolutely, there will be much interest. The sticking point (and I see it locally in technicolor!) is that the really motivated white minority that would jump on this issue are working-class, downsized, alienated.

Reaching to at least some white elites and getting them to support white working class activists is a start whether we stay in America, go to... wherever. Right now even re-populating the Dakotas would take some serious organizational effort.

It's a perrenial problem: Race-aware whites are often broke and rich whites go with the flow.

Originally Posted by FranzJoseph

Reaching to at least some white elites and getting them to support white working class activists is a start whether we stay in America, go to... wherever. Right now even re-populating the Dakotas would take some serious organizational effort.
It's a perrenial problem: Race-aware whites are often broke and rich whites go with the flow.

Yea. I don't even know where these investors/elites would be found. I'm afraid that I went too far in a response to someone who criticized the idea in the mail section, brushing aside all white conferences as masturbation—most likely the only places likely to garner such interest in this. I feel bad about that. There is a lot of good people at work. But, I stick to my gun: you can polish it for years, yet at some point you will have to jump out of your foxhole, aim and fire. Even if one does it in America.

In my view, America is doomed. Not in the future, but now. My solution to this problem is gathering a body of men of like mind to establish a loose confederacy in another country, which is not as advanced in "the rot", to influence it culturally, economically to some extent, and at some point politically.

Relocation to an undeveloped area of Europe is an interesting and worthwhile discussion, but I would suggest the Slovak Republic (Slovakia, the eastern region of what was once Czecho-Slovakia) as an alternative to Romania.



Slovakia, though it was for some years attached to the technologically advanced and industrial Czech Republic, was and still is a lightly populated, primarily pastoral and farming region.

I don't think most Americans would find themselves adaptable to the standard of living and level of services generally available in Romania. And frankly, the Romanians are not noted for their willingness to hold strangers by the hand and patiently lead them through their cultural idiosyncracies and their ways of life and doing business. A convoy of Americans suddenly appearing there with little more than their suitcases and wallets and the intention of starting a commune would likely be looked upon by the locals as a bunch of wealthy (whether true or not) naifs who are ripe for the fleecing.

Slovakia, on the other hand, though not approaching the development you'll see in the neighboring Czech Republic does have an infrastructure superior to what you'll find in Romania. It contains rather large areas (by European standards) of undeveloped land, but more importantly the population would be possibly more willing to co-operate in a spirit of racial harmony and create a genuine cameraderie with American immigrants than would the Romanians. That is in my opinion.

(It must be noted that there is a rather large American ex-pat community in the Czech Republic which is not well thought of by the Czechs. That is mainly because they're little more than permanant vacationers staying and playing on money sent to them by their families in The States. Very few make any real attempt to learn the Czech language or do any kind of productive work so they're viewed by the locals as a collection of carefree, disrespectful, obnoxious foreign adolescents within the country. Slovakia in general is not such an attractive source of frivolity and hedonistic pleasures as is Praha so the Americans have thankfully stayed away and not had a chance to ruin things there (yet). German is the widely used lingua franca in Slovakia and many of its citizens are at least somewhat conversant in it, btw.)

The Slovaks are generally closer to informed White Americans in world view and temperament than Romanians would be in general. There are of course Slovaks who will be more than happy to take advantage of an American or any inexperienced stranger who has money in his pocket, no doubt about that, but that attitude would not be as prevalent in Slovakia as it would be in Romania, again in my opinion. Unfortunately there are gypsies (Roma) in both countries but they are more widely seen in Romania.

The question of land ownership by non-citizens would have to be researched thoroughly as that factor would determine the suitability of whatever destination was decided upon. From my recollection, a foreigner might be officially permitted to purchase a house or a flat in the cities of Europe but there were at one time strict regulations in several or most countries prohibiting foreigners from buying agricultural land or land that was considered a "national asset."

[FranzJoseph]

Thanks, Nick.

I am curious about one thing. There should be a natural resource for us in the number of international retirees we might be able to glean some information from.

Eg, no less than three families known to me have "retired back" to former eastblock countries (Poland and Hungary in these cases) and seem to like their circumstances. Grant: Their perspective will be different from someone going in cold. The Polish family fled during Gorbachov's era, got a pension working in Illinois and moved back. So it's home to them.

Pursuing this line of thought, can we figure out some way to get in touch with "Americans-by-courtesy" who've already made the trip? Can they help new arrivals (even just with information about job opportunities or the best sort of business to set up)? Might be interesting to find out.

Anyway, MrOutis makes a good point:

In my view, America is doomed. Not in the future, but now.

Starting to network on this now would make sense in that light.

[Agis]

Originally Posted by MrOutis

Well, the idea is not to spread things out, but to have a concentration of white nationalists in one white area. I realize this offends the sensibilities of some, but worthwhile resistance demands close cooperation. If the situation is as dire as we say, we cannot afford to spread it out over the entire continent, or even between non-neighboring countries. Surely white-white mixing is not to be condemned?

I see your point. I'm thinking more along the lines of a "diaspora" [to begin with]. For something like this to work there would first have be a wave of gate-keepers who are capable of learning the rules and establishing themselves: racial expats. A successful WN expat would be able to plug into the collective psychology of the host population while remaining loyal to our National struggle. Race-spirit will play a major factor in the success of the candidate to navigate in his new [old?] environment. Med-nords can take their pick, meds and nords should keep to their [psychological] strengths.

I can't see that this is true. I have studied the laws of most European countries and the story is pretty much the same everywhere: If you have money, you can buy land; if you remain legal for x years, you can apply for citizenship—and you're more likely to get it than asylum seekers. That's all there is to it. They might not want Tyrone or Iz, but they are *still* taking in all the Kuntas and Zulus.

Don't believe the hype. The EU let's in "asylum-seekers" who they house, feed, and clothe at taxpayer expense, but they usually aren't allowed to work [legally] and get rotated out every once in a while. The ones that manage to get an offical white rapist certificate stay, of course, but these are a [albeit unacceptable] fraction of the total number. Rest assured however that as a White American you are a persona nongrata, lumped with the chinks, boons and abos of the non-EU world. Which brings us back to not yet EU EE which might be more receptive to US immigrants.

Concerning work, and immigrant status, that's not really a concern: the idea is to own the land, and so long as taxes are paid and no crimes are committed we cannot be moved; local workers can be employed to work it, in cultivation or clearing (for the settlement of more white immigrants). Work would certainly suffer, but think of it this way: each would be responsible for making his living off the land. Most of the people in these countries can't get jobs themselves. What someone can contribute, they should, but we cannot be bound by the legalities of working, if they are not forthcoming, and, I think more importantly, if working in public would put out any citizens. — This is an important issue. The fact is that every one interested in this would have to get their priorities and capabilities straight, before venturing in. No one will be able to go down the street looking for work at Wal-Mart or whatever. At most, we could get work with local farmers, or as tour-guides and translators (an incentive to learn the language). But, if you've ever gone camping, you know that living a bit rough is work enough. There wouldn't - unless a particularly wealthy investor goes in for it - be apartments or anything.

You're thinking out loud here, but it's not what I'd consider a "practical" plan. Work, immigrant status and property rights are major concerns. Urban areas are better than the sticks. "Survivalism" is another word for "failed venture" - take Thoreau for instance: died a bachelor - of phenomona at 35 chopping up a tree stump in subzero temperatures: "failed venture". Alternative model: urban network.

Language is a difficult matter, you're right. This would be the responsibility of each, but I wouldn't say that it's necessary for each: the goal is to make families there; the children would learn it and become the generation to enter more deeply into the society, implementing our values.

Language is a must. An American that insists on speaking English in a foreign country is nothing but dead weight: all or nothing.

Your suggestion that one go through university programs is good. I'm biased here, I hate the schools. But if one can manage that, it's a good setup, good training.

Use what you can, discard the rest. Be an "art student" if need be. Check up what programms are available and set your sites, learn the language, get to know some exchange students for practical info, contacts, etc.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

an interesting idea worth debate.

heres a few problems

first, buy land with what money? many folks in WN are living paycheck to paycheck.

if they did have surplus money, instead of plunking it down in a place where we have no network no connections and no clue of how to operate, how about investing it here in the US in either local projects or WN advocates like Alex Linder? or for really well heeled investors, go out and start White TV!

I agree with fred haerne's crit of this idea. it seems like taking ordnance off the target-- jew power in the US-- and pissing it away in the backwater of Europe.

PS I had a close friend life in a large Russian city for two years, trying to make shit happen, and it was a bust. when you're a foreigner, you're a foreigner. I'll bet the word "White" doesnt mean shit more to any bulgarian than it does the average white sheeple.

Originally Posted by Antiochus Epiphanes

an interesting idea worth debate.

heres a few problems

first, buy land with what money? many folks in WN are living paycheck to paycheck.

Yes, AE, unfortunately anyone not possessing a minimum of funds couldn't participate in any future plan. But that would not preclude a person or family from relocating who did have sufficient resources if he/they felt the United States is a lost cause.

I agree with much of what Agis says above but disagree on a point or two which are for the most part preferences relating to what I would do. If I had to come up with a stripped down, two-part checklist for anyone thinking of making the move, it would be this:

1.) Have an absolute minimum of $25,000 US stashed. One hundred grand or more would be better, but I wouldn't even attempt anything more than a vacation with less than that.

2.) Don't touch the stashed bankroll but save enough additional money for a visit. Fly into Frankfurt or Hamburg and rent a car. Take a drive to the place or places you're considering. Look around and see what you think, spend a few days in areas you find attractive. Interact with the local people and businesses. But be discreet about the fact you might be looking at real estate. Once the word gets around that there is an American in the area interested in buying property watch the asking prices escalate 500%-1000%. Nevertheless it is essential to actually visit the place you are considering as a possible relocation site before making any moves. To purchase land in an area sight unseen and with a complete unfamiliarity with the local people and customs would almost certainly be cause for regret in the future.

To anyone not able to satisfy those two conditions I would recommend he flat-out forget the whole idea. Rejecting one's homeland and relocating to a completely different continent and culture is a very serious decision. To even consider it one would have to have enough of his own money to take all the necessary steps, including enough money to get back to the States if all went wrong. Counting on some yet unfound benefactor might make for interesting musing but that's all it would be. And granted one did have the $25,000 US saved it wouldn't be enough to do more than take the first step of purchasing some (probably) undeveloped property then returning to the US.

But, to carry on just for the sake of conversation,

Agis recommends living in the city. On this point we disagree. That would probably be preferable to most people who are independently wealthy or somehow supported via a university program or something similar as he mentioned. For an American though who needs to generate money in order to make a living but is not eligible to work in the local economy there aren't many options available outside of agriculture. Certain internet related fields would allow a US citizen to work in Europe but that would be mostly limited to working as a self employed contractor. Only in very extraordinary circumstances would an American go to work directly for a European firm and in that case money would likely not be a concern anyway. Also bear in mind that internet connections are often much more expensive in Europe than they are in the United States and in some places even slightly off the beaten path the internet reliability can be surprisingly poor. This will improve over time but there can be difficulty today finding internet connections in parts of Europe that are suitable and affordable for full time connections. As far as just walking into some place of business and going to work, even if one does speak the language, consider that virtually impossible if one carries exclusively US documents. That option is virtually out of the question for an American holding a US passport only.

Agriculture, on the other hand is not restricted employment. If you own a piece of property you are free in most cases to plant it and cultivate it as you please. (Of course local law would have to be consulted before attempting to purchase any property with the intent of growing food on it, just to be sure that option was available.)

This is a long way of getting back to my point 1.)

If one is willing to purchase undeveloped land, it's possible to pick up at least a hectare or two, probably more land than that for US $25,000 US (One hectare = just short of 2.5 US acres) depending upon the region and if it's legal there for foreigners to own agricultural land. That would be a plan of action for someone with limited funds who wanted to secure a piece of property with the intention of developing it in the future. By development I mean build a dwelling and use the remaining land for intensive small scale agriculture, similar to what is called "truck farming" in the USA. That "short money" plan would need to be implemented in stages: Visit Europe, find some suitable land, buy it, then return to the US and go back to work. Continue working in America to accumulate the money necessary to carry out the ultimate plans for building a house and developing the property to the point it could begin to generate some agricultural income in the future.

That would be my approach. If money isn't a concern though I'll recommend København.

[Derrick Beukeboom]

A couple of points to make:
In theory, this is a fine idea. All throughout history, nations of people have literally picked up and moved to carve out a better future for themselves.
Hell, we White Americans are the ancestors of brave forebears who packed up and moved.

Looks like some may want to return 'home'.
However, let me state that you need a strong sense of 'nationhood' or racial ethos to have large numbers of people do this. For more than a few years, WN leaders have talked about forming Aryan colonies in the Northwest part of the USA.
They have largely been unsuccessful.
Whites just don't have a sense of racial identity - yet.
But they will.
Wait and see.

Now, for the individual seeking to buy some property in Europe to settle or live there half the year let me agree with Nick on a few points.
Slovakia
Latvia
Lithuania
Bulgaria
Estonia (although likely too expensive now; you missed the boat on this Baltic Tiger, the latest hot thing in investment currently; seek out Estonian companies to put a few dollars in to buy some shares if possible)

Anyway, if you are not looking at these places, I'd say you may be taking on more than you can chew. Forget Romania for the reasons cited earlier.

Problem 1: All these nation-states are soon to be part of the EU in a few years (Estonia this year), and after this date, forget it.
So, research now, get your investors together (I may be one if I read a concrete plan), go there and see firsthand what it is like.
10-15 years ago, Czech Rep. was the place to be, the place to invest.
This year it will join the EU and sadly enter the true global marketplace and be just as likely to attract Turks,Niggers and asian immigrants as Germany or France.
Now, the new thing is Estonia.
I hear Slovakia will be the next big thing.

As for buying property, yes, it is imperative that you not tell the locals you are interested in buying property.
Wait until the very last moment and work through a local bank if at all possible and still the price will go up a bit even in a matter of hours.
That is how Eastern Europe works.

A word on living overseas:
It can be a both thrilling and trying experience at the same time.
I lived for 4 months in Germany and have visted many countries in Europe.
I even had the chance to live with my German ex-g/f at her farm but decided not to.
Europe is great about certain things and lacking in other respects.
You will always find yourself referred to as the "American" wheather you like it or not.
It is nowhere near as convienant as the US and will be even more basic and less convienant in Eastern Europe.
This shouldn't matter to a WN and I doubt it will, but be prepared.
Also, language does become an issue at times. You start to feel somewhat isolated and lonely but if you have the desire you will learn to converse as best you can.
Laws are different and there is less tolarance for certain things in Europe than in the US.
The Constitution ceases to exist for you.

What do you plan to do for income?
Either a cyber or small business is the way to go because you are unlikely to find a job above entry level not speaking the language.
Or you can open up your own consulting office to help advise American and SLovack on doing business with each other.
Maybe also cater to the market for American thinking and acting, kind of give lessons on speaking English and social customs.
Be creative and original, there is usually a market some anything.

You know, I may be so inclined to invest in some property.
Slovakia I hear is great.
I may be going there this spring as a matter of fact.
If you are interested in brainstorming more about this topic, please pm me.

Hello Derrick,

I'm always interested in listening to new proposals.

Unfortunately, as far as purchsing land in Europe I'm not able to satisfy at least one of my own criteria mentioned previously: I don't have 25 grand to spare on that project. I could conceivably find a portion of that amount.

Since you're going to be in Europe anyway, if you would care to spend the extra time, effort and money and act as point man or scout on this endeavor it could be quite helpful for me and anyone else who's even mildly interested though.

The primary question of course is "How much land can be purchased for how much money?" If you can talk to someone at one or more banks, as you suggested, and get a rough idea what's available and at what price that would put the idea into more practical, tangible terms. My approach would be to tell them I have a maximum budget of 20 grand (or whatever amount you choose) and they can work with that. If it's left open ended they'll try to sell you something for a hundred grand but tell you you're getting it at half price. If they know up front you have a specific amount of money to spend the sellers will sometimes bargain against each other to get the money.

I've been to Slovakia and I've been to Romania and as far as I'm concerned I ain't living in Romania no matter how cheap the land is. Slovakia would be acceptable to most people with travel experience but it might be a bit rough for someone not familiar with how things can work outside the United States. I've never been to the Baltic States but when I was in Scandinavia ten years ago I remember there being a real issue with ground water pollution in Estonia as a result of the Soviet naval bases that were situated there for years. I have heard very good things about Latvia from the people I've talked to who've been there, and I've never heard much about Lithuania at all and don't know much about it even from second hand info. My major hesitancy about the Baltic countries is that living gets more expensive the further north one goes. They may not be on the level of Stockholm or Helsinki yet, but the regional tendency is to emulate those places and I believe they're headed in that direction. The cost of living in Central Europe on the other hand has remained relatively stable for the last several years.

If you have a digital camera, or a 35mm or whatever, maybe you could get some photos of the places you are able to check out and let us know some of the general details. You can email digital photos or even scan in hard copy photographs from most internet cafés for just a couple bucks. They could be sent directly to me or someone else or Georgie the moderator and he could post them.

Anyway, you're going to be the guy in country who would have to deal with all the dicking around I've mentioned above so maybe I should quit making plans and let you enjoy your vacation, ha ha. If you could get a rough idea of what the land prices are in a particular place (and any zoning restrictions that might apply) that would be very helpful though toward deciding whether or not it's feasible to consider making any kind of move.

[Alex Linder]

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.p...9926#post29926

More "My Own Fuckin' Israel"

by Edward J.

2 March 2004

Interim Goal, Initial Challenge: To purchase land outright, free and clear, a sovereign land, and then build from scratch an autonomous White Race Nation equivalent in size, scope, power and influence to the jews' Israel.

BUILD A BEACON OF WHITE LIGHT TO THE WHITE RACIAL DIASPORA.

ITZ GOT TO BE 100% "AUTONOMOUS"--DEF:

1 : of, relating to, or marked by autonomy -- self-governing -- self-directed freedom and independence.

2 : having the right or power of self-government; undertaken or carried on without outside control: SELF-CONTAINED.

3 : existing independently.

The White Israel. This is about founding a brand new ALL WHITE NATION. Not becoming part of some other unpure nation. The concept is not about integrating some White Nationalist group into a pre-existing nation and trying to influence that nation's future policies through additional White immigration -- NOT.

It's about FORMING A NEW INDEPENDENT WHITE NATION DONE RIGHT FROM THE START.

When you buy a house, you pay the owner an agreed upon sum of money, the owner vacates, leaves permanently, gives you the keys, transfers the title to your name. YOU MOVE IN. YOU ARE THE NEW OWNER OF THE HOUSE. IT'S ALL YOURS TO DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO WITH IT. SOMEBODY STEPS ON YOUR LAWN, INCLUDING THE FORMER OWNER, HE'S TRESPASSING. WANT TO INVITE YOUR ASSHOLE FRIENDS TO MOVE INTO YOUR BASEMENT. GO RIGHT AHEAD. IT'S YOUR HOUSE!!!

THE CONCEPT AGAIN: A NEW, INDEPENDENT, AUTONOMOUS PURE WHITE NATION.

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/l...ardjisrael.htm

Caveat: Too much advanced planning is self-defeating. As in all business, victory goes to the "doing thinker", not to the "thinking doer".

A Possible Place to Start:

1) Basis for citizenship in the new Pure White Nation: WHITE GENES--GENETICALLY TESTED WHITE GENES. A Nation based on genetic makeup, not language, not culture. Historical Aryan mythology is OK and likely beneficial if exploited in the same manner as the jewish trumped-up justification for the creation of Israel. GENES ARE FIRST. Culture comes from genes, not genes from culture.

2) Language: English OK--with 2nd Aryan cultural language taught in schools. Why English? Most Whites worldwide know some English. Most city-folk East and West Europeans know some English.

3) Political Contract, Government: For the first 30 years, a "Leader" with tested resolve, chosen by acclamation, with absolute and total authority, will set policy. Like Alex. Thereafter, a fixed, immutable, race-based political contract. Citizenship based solely on membership in the White Race. A race republic of White Male Citizens Only, with those Men 25 or older, who own landed property, as electors.

4) Likely initial citizens -- Most White Men will not relocate to White Israel, just as most jews do not relocate to jew Israel. But, White Israel will be a beacon of light to all White Men everywhere. An ideal to replicate. A place to look for guidance. Who will move there now: A vanguard of pure White racial realists, Whites who appreciate uninterrupted White beauty and society, some activist WNs, maybe some "Holocaust Deniers", separatist Pilgrims (like those who rode the Mayflower to Plymouth Rock), displaced Whites worldwide (South Africans, Zimbabweans) and some dual-passport-type Whites looking for a backup second citizenship safe house or insurance policy against the inevitible worldwide multi-racial, mongrelist collapse. All Whites will want to know that White Israel IS THERE. All will want to visit and experience the White Holy Land.

4) Where and why?

Anywhere on the planet is better than nothing. So long as it exists from the very beginning as an independent, sovereign, autonomous, free-standing Pure White Nation.

An area carved from land currently located within the boundaries of Russia might work.

Russia -- White Race, knows and "hates" the jew, opposes the jWO at every turn, geographically immense, small population relative to size, negative birth-rate, has lots of unused land to sell-negotiate. Russia has strong creative nationalist leaders, decision-makers on the move. Russia recently split off huge sectors of the former Soviet Empire. Historical precedent for selling land to White Man: Russia sold Alaska to America when America was White. Russia has the precedent of having previously set up a pure racial state within its boundaries: Stalin set up Birobidzhan, the "Jewish Autonomous Region", the first jew Homeland -- the first jew Israel. See "Jewish Autonomous Oblast", or Yevreyskaya. Autonomous oblast E. Russia in Asia, bordering on the Amur. Capital Birobidzhan, area 13,900 square miles (36,001 square kilometers).

Russia today is a natural ally for WNs. Russia might enjoy an ideological neighbor offsetting the jWO. Russians sell David Duke's "Jewish Supremacism" right outside the entrance to the Duma. The many far right parties in Russia would be natural racial allies.

Possible acceptable location for the White Israel: An area carved (purchased outright from) out of western-most Russia, bordering Estonia and Latvia, a "small", sparsely-settled segment of the "Pskov Region", say about the size of Switzerland. A White--blonde--blue eyes area. Borders of the new All White Nation: Non-EU (non-jWO) Russia on one side and EU (jWO) Estonia and Latvia on the other side. So, a Pure White Nation, between two politically "different" systems. Landlocked? Not a negative in the era of air travel.

A new nation, purchased from, separated from, and no longer part of, or associated with, Russia, or any other nation. Independent, autonomous, self-determined. A bright beacon of White Light for White Man everywhere -- a place and a paradign of White Purity.

Other locations are of course possible, but Russians appear the most politically receptive to WNs and the Pskov Region is located in the heart of the Great White Gene Pool.

Once Buyer (WNs) and Seller (Russia) close the sale on this tract of land and the deed is recorded by Koffi Annan the new independent, autonomous Pure White Race Nation formally comes into being.

The few in number former Russian local inhabitants may either return to Russia or be welcomed as citizens of this new nation. So, to keep it simple, pick the sparsely populated of the Pskov Region, mostly the unused area. Or some simular location.

The Pskov Region is far enough south for efficient agricultural. A small portion of the Pskov Region is big enough for economic self-sufficiency.

Again, a "small", Switzerland-sized, sparsely settled segment of the Pskov Region would meet WN criteria OK.

How big? Why not just a Monaco or a Lichtenstein? Postage stamp size? Might work for a purely legal entity with a big computer staff. These are fully independent autonomous nations with worldwide legal standing. A computer based independent White Nation issuing passports and passing laws owning but one square foot of space? Possible. But yet, a White Israel, about the size of Switzerland, would be a better initial goal, especially as it would provide real living room and sustainability for a White political vanguard, for a base of landed agricultural settlers and for a growing stream of politically oppressed Whites -- South Africans, Zimbabweans, Amerikwans, "Holocaust deniers". Family building and White society must have room to thrive. Viable farming with the economic self-suffiiciency and the military security of a Switzerland.

Nothin' hard and fast in these suggestions folks, except a national citizenship based on a gene test and a Fully Independent Pure White Nation. A beacon of sanity and pure White truth opposed to jWO mongrelism.

Bush just visited himself upon Putin with a long list of jWO threats and a "get out of jail free" demand for jew thief Bezerovsky.

Hey, WN Leaders. Maybe Idahoans can be convinced to secede from Amerikwa. Visit the Prez and Congress and convince them that an independent Pure All-White Autonomous Homeland in Idaho (And the removal of Ann Frank Memorial Statue in Boise) is good for Amerikwa.

WhaHaHaHaHaHa!!!

OR, Hey, WN Leaders. Visit Russia with some WN compliments from us and report that our new White Nation would back the death penalty for "economic theft of national property".

Get a message to Putin's people, the chief jew-thief busters?
And, to Zhirinowski's people, the Nationalist Party Leader who advocates polygamy.

And, especially the brash "anti-semitic" Rodina Party leaders ("Fatherland"-Nationalist).

Take a good look at the girls too.

Brother White Man Russkies would much rather talk to you about your "dreams", deal with you, than multi-racial, mongrelist jOG.
Sell something!

Get us "cracker rednecks" and other oppressed Whites worldwide our very own White Israel.

We White Men need our Dream House on the hill to challenge us to greater effort, to focus our aspirations.

White Israel is one of those rare deals where all parties, the White Man Seller (Russia), the White Man Buyer (WNs), and White Men worldwide would come out big winners.

I SUGGEST WN LEADERS ARRANGE AN INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE WITH OUR RUSSIAN BROTHERS TO DISCUSS COMMON INTERESTS OF WHITE MAN.

I fully agree that too much planning can dissipate energy and lead to a loss of momentum. Revolutionary plans need to be boldly pursued. "Study Committes" have a built in tendency to reject ideas that are unconventional.

BUT, it must be recognized that a certain amount of research, background information and on the spot physical appraisal is necessary for a move such as this. Making hasty plans to purchase property in a place one has never seen or set foot in is asking for disenchantment and disappointment and very possible serious conflict.

Possible acceptable location for the White Israel: An area carved (purchased outright from) out of western-most Russia, bordering Estonia and Latvia, a "small", sparsely-settled segment of the "Pskov Region", say about the size of Switzerland.

Due to several factors, the primary one being their tradition of government heavy handedness and interference Russia does not interest me much as a place to hang my hat. But that's just me. I generally do like Russia in the abstract and the Russian people though, so I could possibly be persuaded if the right situation presented itself there. However, the idea of pooling money and "purchasing" a piece of the Pskov Region or any other enormous block of territory from Russia can't be taken seriously. Even in the unlikely event that the millions or billions of dollars were available to make that purchase the Russians haven't shown much willingness to part with territory on the European continent either by sale or by war. (The Baltic States were independent nations that were occupied by the Soviets, they had not been historically Russian territories.) I can't imagine any Russian politician ever publicly promoting or approving an outright sale of European territory belonging to the Motherland. There would be enormous resistance to that idea by the Russian public even if we could somehow manage to find the billions of dollars required. I can't think of any country in Europe or anywhere that would agree to sell off part of it's territory to private investors.

In my opinion, this type of project would almost have to be a collection of private citizens working discreetly, in concordance, contributing resources to purchase a large block of property somewhere in a private sale. Similar to the jewish grapevine that puts out the word that such-and-such a new neighborhood or subdivision is being bought up by jews and they encourage other jews to buy there so they can "keep it jewish."

So sure, I'd like to get on with it someplace but there are few fundamentals that simply must be researched first. (Is agriculture permitted? Housing? Private business? Industry? What types of industry? What are the "zoning" laws? Is water available? Electricity? Etc.) Additionally, it would have to be made plain that committing money to a plan such as this it would have to be final. No refunds. If a person never sees the place that's ultimately chosen yet he chooses to contribute, it would be with the understanding he's out of luck if he doesn't like it when he gets there.

with falling birth rates and an overpopulated china nextdoor,their is a distinct possibility that russia may lose the vast tracts of land in the east,siberia.i had read somewhere that putin was offering incentives to people willing to move there,just think another american west to open up does that excite anyone?the last frontier of untamed land.if that wouldnt wake up the saxon then nothing will,something like the alaskan gold rush to attract the adventuress and the reckless.[recklessness is a white trait,found in no other race]