Why would anyone join NSM?

Type it in here, will you? I'd like to read it.

Billy has said that he didn't think Dr. Pierce was overly interested in the NA surviving after his passing. That title was cited as one of Dr. Pierce's favorite sayings.

I'm glad the NA is surviving. If, in fact, that was Dr. Pierce's sentiment, then it's about the second belief of his with which I didn't agree, the first being the swastika and Nazi logo commentary.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how Resistance is riddled with the images, but some people want to urge us to avoid "hobbyism" etc. How can it be both ways?

That's not criticism. I'm glad Resistance is as it is, and am concerned that pressure might cause it to change.

From Robert S. Griffin's The Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds, pages 114 and 115:

"So it was Koehl, Lloyd, and I trying to keep the organization going. I had made up my mind during this time that if I was going to stay with this thing it was going to have to evolve into something more effective than it was. Nothing could really be done in the long run with the losers the organization was attracting: motorcycle gang dropouts, ex-convicts, and so forth. So very soon I was suggesting to Koehl that this business of "sieg heil" and swastika armbands and all that didn't cut it. We weren't making a movie, and we might as well dispense with the Hollywood stuff and make a better impression on the type of people we really needed to attract. I never participated in that sort of business, and this is why the Jews have never been able to come up with a photograph of me dressed up in a uniform or wearing an armband. I thought it was foolish, and I wasn't going to participate in it, and I told Koehl that.

"Lloyd agreed with we that we were going nowhere with this circus-type approach, but Koehl thought what Lloyd and I were doing was heresy of the worst. To Koehl, it was like having a Lutheran on the College of Cardinals. Koehl was an admirable guy in some ways. For one thing he was very reliable- but he wasn't very imaginative. To figure out what to do he would take out Mein Kampf or see how Hitler did it in 1928. I said, 'Jesus Matt, we've got a different situation now. For one thing, wearing uniforms was normal back in Germany. Everybody did it-even the Catholic party had uniforms and flags and so forth.’ But doing it in America makes us seem weird. If you try to run an organization with the kind of weirdoes and unstable people who are pulled in by what we are doing, we are just going to have constant problems."

Please forgive my errors in transcribing this piece, as it was done fairly fast. If you guys want to read anymore, go and buy the book!

Originally Posted by Chain

Type it in here, will you? I'd like to read it.

Billy has said that he didn't think Dr. Pierce was overly interested in the NA surviving after his passing. That title was cited as one of Dr. Pierce's favorite sayings.

I'm glad the NA is surviving. If, in fact, that was Dr. Pierce's sentiment, then it's about the second belief of his with which I didn't agree, the first being the swastika and Nazi logo commentary.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how Resistance is riddled with the images, but some people want to urge us to avoid "hobbyism" etc. How can it be both ways?

That's not criticism. I'm glad Resistance is as it is, and am concerned that pressure might cause it to change.

Originally Posted by Chain

Take a break and listen to the "Soundtrack For White Revolution" radio. It's great. Really.[/img]

I don't think much of that kind of 'music'. Do you think NS germany would have liked it? I really doubt that. But OK.

Roper made the same mistake as Duke. If Duke had not paraded around in nazi uniforms and with a sheet over his head, well, then he would be governor of LA.

What WR is trying does not work, not in the USA, not in Europe.

Roper is dedicated, but that isn't enough these days.

Instead of getting high on 'skinmusic' and NS video's of the '30, people would better read books about marketing, psychology and sociology. Think before you act. Politics is and has always been the art of the possible.

[Karl Ramstrom...]

Dr. Pierce said: "I never participated in that sort of business, and this is why the Jews have never been able to come up with a photograph of me dressed up in a uniform or wearing an armband."

He may not have participated, but plenty of NA members do it anyway, even on NA-owned websites....

I must say, I'm frankly disgusted and disappointed with some of what I've read in this ridiculous thread. As the future leader of the NSM in Canada, I feel obliged not only to defend myself, but more importantly, defend the honor of our highest leader in the organization, Commander Jeff.

I'd like to make a few things very clear, for those here who think that the NSM consists of chubby men who have children out of wedlock and enjoy playing dress-up:

- I am in my late 20s.
- I have a steady girlfriend (soon to be fiancee).
- I am proudly CI, although I enjoy learning about other white racialist faiths.
- I have my Masters degree in Accounting.
- I have a very well-paying career, and am not in debt.
- I served four years in the Canadian infantry reserves.
- Family members were Nazi party officials, including high ranking organizers of the HJ.

The bickering, name-calling, and piss contests between testosterone-driven ego-maniacs here is saddening to say the least. I really expected more of our folk than to bash on one another for a difference of tactical approaches. We require more than anything a complex strategy of unified diversity to approach our people if we want to wins the hearts and minds of modern whites. What may appeal to some may not necessarily appeal to other, but what we need above all is a united effort to push forward to victory.

Commander Jeff is a man of only the highest calibre - anything negative spoken of him, his dedication, and accomplishments, should in my opinion be chalked up to banal jealousy and envy on the part of others who enjoy plunking their gludius maximus in front of their computer systems all day long, fooling themselves into believing that having the highest number of posts to a message board makes the most solid white nationalist.

Please, can we try to have some more respect for one another here?

Robert

Originally Posted by SteeltoeSolution

Commander Jeff is a man of only the highest calibre - anything negative spoken of him, his dedication, and accomplishments, should in my opinion be chalked up to banal jealousy and envy on the part of others who enjoy plunking their gludius maximus in front of their computer systems all day long, fooling themselves into believing that having the highest number of posts to a message board makes the most solid white nationalist.

Please, can we try to have some more respect for one another here?

Robert

Accomplishments? Holding silly 20 man freak parades after 30 years? From what planet are you?

We will see 'commander'. If you hit the streets in Canada, you will be:
- soon without a job
- wandering why you are attracting only some weirdos
- wished you have never ever started is because you will be 'burned'

Btw, ask Beattie ( probably wrong spelling) who used to lead the Canadian Nazi Party. They used his 'party' to pass the laws under which they nailed Zundel.

He know knows that jewish groups supported him, knowing it would go nowhere but would be deadly for white racialism.

[Karl Ramstrom...]

EuroKnight, maybe you shouldn't be too hard on SteeltoeSolution. If he wants to dress up as a soldier of a defeated foreign army, let him. Hey, even the National Alliance posts dozens of photos of its Neo-Nazi members on their own websites, like this one:

And White Revolution has a Nazi flag right on its main page. These guys need their Nazi symbols like Linus on the Peanuts© comic strip needs his blanket. They'd feel...well...naked without them. So please, EuroKnight, go easy on them. Let them have their icons of a smashed enemy to rally our people onward to victory. Don't you get the connection? Hmmm....come to think of it, neither do I.

Originally Posted by Karl Ramstrom

And White Revolution has a Nazi flag right on its main page. These guys need their Nazi symbols like Linus on the Peanuts© comic strip needs his blanket. They'd feel...well...naked without them. So please, EuroKnight, go easy on them. Let them have their icons of a smashed enemy to rally our people onward to victory. Don't you get the connection? Hmmm....come to think of it, neither do I.

Yes, you are probably right. Without a swastika, they are nothing. I am GLAD that uniforms and swastikas are illegal here. One of the reasons why we at least have an impact and are able to set up structures who have some influence.

By the by, once they outlawed uniforms and swastika's, these tiny NS splinters almost vanished overnight...

My, how narrow some minds can become! I registered on this board to ask for tolerance, discussion, and cooperation amongst out kinfolk, but to my dismay look what I receive - harsh judgement and cranky comments.

I never struck out at anyone on this board - I criticized divisive attitudes and nothing else. "Dressing up" - now, please explain to me how wearing honourable uniforms of brave men and women as a sign of honour and remembrance is in any way, shape, or form a symbol of defeat? If anything, we are bringing to the table the highest level of defiance. Yes, there is a shock element, but it intelligently backed up by a well thought out political, social, and economic discourse.

Please bear in mind that in Canada we have laws somewhat similar to those in Europe where White pride is concerned. Discussions amongst the NSM executive here will decide if uniforms will be worn, or if the swastika will be displayed. National Socialism and fascism do not inherently carry either of these things, much to the displeasure I'm sure of some of the know it alls choosing to post here.

We are White Canadians proud of our heritage and history. We may very well choose to approach the construction of a NS system here with suits and ties, in an "NA-style" manner, per se. Whatever our decision, it is our's. Do not forget for even an instant though, that while we are an independent nation, we are linked by the stronger bond of blood to our fellow warriors in the NSM south of the border. Their tactics we admire and defend - uniform, swastika, and all. Our eventual decision on public vs. private use of symbols and attire will be one we take on our own for legal reasons, nonetheless we adhere to the leadership of Commander Jeff and forever will, as he has proven himself an able and reliable leader.

Rob

Originally Posted by SteeltoeSolution

My, how narrow some minds can become! I registered on this board to ask for tolerance, discussion, and cooperation amongst out kinfolk, but to my dismay look what I receive - harsh judgement and cranky comments.

I never struck out at anyone on this board - I criticized divisive attitudes and nothing else. "Dressing up" - now, please explain to me how wearing honourable uniforms of brave men and women as a sign of honour and remembrance is in any way, shape, or form a symbol of defeat? If anything, we are bringing to the table the highest level of defiance. Yes, there is a shock element, but it intelligently backed up by a well thought out political, social, and economic discourse.

Please bear in mind that in Canada we have laws somewhat similar to those in Europe where White pride is concerned. Discussions amongst the NSM executive here will decide if uniforms will be worn, or if the swastika will be displayed. National Socialism and fascism do not inherently carry either of these things, much to the displeasure I'm sure of some of the know it alls choosing to post here.

We are White Canadians proud of our heritage and history. We may very well choose to approach the construction of a NS system here with suits and ties, in an "NA-style" manner, per se. Whatever our decision, it is our's. Do not forget for even an instant though, that while we are an independent nation, we are linked by the stronger bond of blood to our fellow warriors in the NSM south of the border. Their tactics we admire and defend - uniform, swastika, and all. Our eventual decision on public vs. private use of symbols and attire will be one we take on our own for legal reasons, nonetheless we adhere to the leadership of Commander Jeff and forever will, as he has proven himself an able and reliable leader.

Rob

The NSM replies in this thread are just plain sad. These freaks are living in a fantasy world. I'm called a homosexual for bringing up valid points by "Commander" Schoep, who by the way served in the US Navy as a pilot and commissioned officer and can run several miles with his fat gut. Now we have this silly post!

Rob, you sound like an intelligent White man. I would strongly advise you to reconsider your thoughts about the NSM and do something more worthwhile for serving your race. Compare this silly uniform approach that Rockwell and now the NSM uses and look at the results? There are none!

Have you read my post from Robert S. Griffin's book about uniforms and the crackpots that are attracted to it?

Look at the long term approach that Dr. William Pierce used and look at the results? It was once the largest and most active White Nationalist organization in North America with an up and coming media system. The NA educated large numbers of Whites, had radio programs, had several websites, published several publications (books, magazines, newsletters), has a record company, Dr. Pierce gave famous interviews, et cetera. Of course this all ended due to Gliebe and his wrecking job. Do you see what I'm talking about now?

What has the NSM done? Nothing, and they will do nothing.

Originally Posted by Ronald Anderson

The NSM replies in this thread are just plain sad. These freaks are living in a fantasy world. I'm called a homosexual for bringing up valid points by "Commander" Schoep, who by the way served in the US Navy as a pilot and commissioned officer and can run several miles with his fat gut. Now we have this silly post!

Rob, you sound like an intelligent White man. I would strongly advise you to reconsider your thoughts about the NSM and do something more worthwhile for serving your race. Compare this silly uniform approach that Rockwell and now the NSM uses and look at the results? There are none!

Have you read my post from Robert S. Griffin's book about uniforms and the crackpots that are attracted to it?

Look at the long term approach that Dr. William Pierce used and look at the results? It was once the largest and most active White Nationalist organization in North America with an up and coming media system. The NA educated large numbers of Whites, had radio programs, had several websites, published several publications (books, magazines, newsletters), has a record company, Dr. Pierce gave famous interviews, et cetera. Of course this all ended due to Gliebe and his wrecking job. Do you see what I'm talking about now?

What has the NSM done? Nothing, and they will do nothing.

Ron Ron Ron, you really are a downer you know that? Let me rephrase my first post by saying that if people spent half the time building fellow WNs up rather than tearing them down we'd be dangerous. Unless your goal is to tear people down in which case go join Hillel or something and go to town!@

NSM/NA/WR/EURO/ESS/ whatever, lets quit beeyatching at each other. We'll invite you to our first meeting here in Canada and we'll work it out over a beer. Except we drink real beer so you can only have one!@

Originally Posted by Axetogrind

Ron Ron Ron, you really are a downer you know that? Let me rephrase my first post by saying that if people spent half the time building fellow WNs up rather than tearing them down we'd be dangerous. Unless your goal is to tear people down in which case go join Hillel or something and go to town!@

NSM/NA/WR/EURO/ESS/ whatever, lets quit beeyatching at each other. We'll invite you to our first meeting here in Canada and we'll work it out over a beer. Except we drink real beer so you can only have one!@

I'm a downer? Yeah, I'm the one that goes out in public dressed like I just came off the set of a Hollywood WWII movie and then proceed to make an assclown of myself with my fellow "White nationalists."

Originally Posted by Ronald Anderson

I'm a downer? Yeah, I'm the one that goes out in public dressed like I just came off the set of a Hollywood WWII movie and then proceed to make an assclown of myself with my fellow "White nationalists."

What did I tell you about using the word "assclown" and other profanity?

Go wash your mouth out with soap this instant.

Ronny,
It is clear you are anti-NSM, and you and I both know why. The NSM is anti-homo, and you were not acceptted. Why you have chosen to go on this silly tirade, is really gay. For all anyone knows here on this board you are a 13 year old girl. Unfortunately, I know you are not a 13 year old girl since I traced your isp, but you are a flaming homo. Had we not deleted your Homosexual yahoo profile that you tried to join the NSM list under I would post it for all to see.

Perhaps we could meet up and I could tell you personally how much I dislike your queer lifestyle choices? I missed you at our last Rally in North Carolina. Or were you in the counter protest section with the rainbow flag? Be honest for once Ronny, you hate the NSM due to your lifestyle (as you all call it). You disrespect me like a little worm, yet you won't stand up like a man and do anything in the real World.

You and the other poseurs that disrespect Real White Warriors can take a stand anytime for our Race, however you will not, as you are not WN/NS. You are anti-racists, as I have stated from the start. If not Ronny, prove me wrong? You post pictures of me, perhaps post some of yourself here (not the ones from your yahoo profile please), spare us all the gay imagary. The viewers here do not need to be subjected to those bondage and rear end fag (poop) shots.

Prove me wrong Ronny, you and the ARA nameless homo's that back you. My Family continues, and my bloodline is secured.

Your disrespect for Commander Rockwell should speak clearly to all whom support any form of White Resistance, you are the enemy. To any weakling you think you can siphon from us, they are yours we do not want them. 88! Commander Schoep

Jeff, you are a smart man. In my previous posts, I commanded you to call me a homosexual and you followed orders like the lardass that you are! Good job sir! Now go run a mile you fat fuck!

I like your style of attacking the poster and not answering the questions, very intelligent sir.

Once again, when you reply to this thread, I command you to call me a fag, put in the hyperlink to nsm88.com and give me a big "seig heil" or "88!" while your fat gut jiggles!

By the way, I'm not a homosexual and I would never join the NSM.

Originally Posted by Commander_NSM

Ronny,
It is clear you are anti-NSM, and you and I both know why. The NSM is anti-homo, and you were not acceptted. Why you have chosen to go on this silly tirade, is really gay. For all anyone knows here on this board you are a 13 year old girl. Unfortunately, I know you are not a 13 year old girl since I traced your isp, but you are a flaming homo. Had we not deleted your Homosexual yahoo profile that you tried to join the NSM list under I would post it for all to see.

Perhaps we could meet up and I could tell you personally how much I dislike your queer lifestyle choices? I missed you at our last Rally in North Carolina. Or were you in the counter protest section with the rainbow flag? Be honest for once Ronny, you hate the NSM due to your lifestyle (as you all call it). You disrespect me like a little worm, yet you won't stand up like a man and do anything in the real World.

You and the other poseurs that disrespect Real White Warriors can take a stand anytime for our Race, however you will not, as you are not WN/NS. You are anti-racists, as I have stated from the start. If not Ronny, prove me wrong? You post pictures of me, perhaps post some of yourself here (not the ones from your yahoo profile please), spare us all the gay imagary. The viewers here do not need to be subjected to those bondage and rear end fag (poop) shots.

Prove me wrong Ronny, you and the ARA nameless homo's that back you. My Family continues, and my bloodline is secured.

Your disrespect for Commander Rockwell should speak clearly to all whom support any form of White Resistance, you are the enemy. To any weakling you think you can siphon from us, they are yours we do not want them. 88! Commander Schoep

[Karl Ramstrom...]

Ronald, you shouldn't be too hard on Commander Schoep. Here's one of his recent rallies and as you can see it was entirely professional in its presentation of the kind of leaders white Americans would want running our country:

That is about the only "good" thing about the "Movement" in the USA: rally pictures! Always good for a laugh.

They even beat the village people.

Compare with the radical nationalist group FN in Italy.

Pictures:
http://www.forzanuova.org/lefoto.htm

Or the radical anti-system party NPD in germany.

Pictures from their "Pressefest". Deutsche Stimme is their monthly publication.

http://www.deutsche-stimme.com/Sites...efest2003.html

Pierce, Koehl and the National Socialist White People's Party Internal Split of 1970

"Hopefully my story will forewarn others who may embrace the serious ideological error of NS cultism."

H. Michael Barrett

I arrived at the National Socialist White People's Party on Hitler's Birthday, April 20, 1968. Party member Robert Homan was the first person I met that evening, and he made an extremely good impression. As welcoming as he was, it was still a peculiar experience to be received in the highly professional environment that the party offered at that time, being a two story office building that had once been a dental office.

And it wasn't just any day that one met a "duty officer" in brownshirt uniform. Each one taking his shift routinely wore a German automatic pistol in both the reception area and the mail room. The reception area had a couch and chair, leaflet rack, and a books for sale rack. One wall was decorated with a swastika flag, and another had unusually large framed photos of Hitler and George Lincoln Rockwell. Within a day or so Homan also invited me to see what was left of the old headquarters up on Hatemonger Hill.

A partial demolition had occurred up there since the assassination, so there was little to see, but he soon asked to be left alone for a few minutes to meditate. He had earlier told me of meeting Rockwell in Seattle, and was now standing on a collapsed wooden wall. This was part of a huge pile of debris that had once been Rockwell's mansion, which had once stood a few yards further south of us. Down the hill and across the street, I was then shown the Laundromat parking lot where Rockwell had been assassinated, and it was difficult to accept that anything so unusual had ever happened there.

When Homan and I returned to the headquarters at 2507 North Franklin Road, "Captain" Chris Vidnjevich joined the conversation and it soon got around to John Patler (originally Patsalos), the convicted assassin. Chris soon took me over to complete the tour by showing me Patler's apartment.

Patler had been convicted by this time, of course, but remarkably he was temporarily out on bail already. As I had never met Patler, and was still a greenhorn at that time to the party's harassment campaign against him, I was merely asked to be visible and stand alongside Chris as an observer.

Chris then mounted the front left fender of his own vehicle - just as he had done on the roof of Rockwell's hearse outside Culpeper National Cemetery - and he yelled at the top of his lungs at the unseen Patler. And it certainly amazed me that Patler had returned to Arlington so soon, living just blocks from the new headquarters.

Months later, at a much more ordinary gathering at a party member's apartment for a chess game, I was introduced to Eric Wenberg, an activist from Australia. He was the fellow who had leaped at Patler during the trial and screamed: "Patler, you filthy swine! You assassin!"

It had taken six cops to subdue Wenberg, and even in handcuffs he had continued to yell: You filthy assassin! Long live the American Nazi Party! Long live Matt Koehl! What was most intriguing about Wenberg in this more relaxed setting was how he made such a modest and civilized impression because of his looks, education, and clothing. He was a valued adherent by any standard.

Prior to the internal split that was to follow in 1970, I was an official supporter sharing an apartment with Dr. Pierce's secretary, Earl, first at the building the party had temporarily occupied after the Rockwell assassination, then elsewhere. I also got along quite well with Robert Lloyd, the party's number two person; especially after having served as his armed bodyguard during an extensive tour of television and radio stations across the Northwest states. We also visited units and supporters throughout that area.

Commander Koehl had asked Lieutenant Lloyd, when we reached the Chicago portion of the tour, to confer with Frank Collin the Chicago leader and ask him to step down. The officers at party headquarters now believed that they were in possession of overwhelming evidence that he was racially Jewish, and they hoped to deal with it quietly and privately.

While leaving one of the television studios, our host's representative asked if we would like to meet Black Panther leader Fred Hampton, who was waiting for his own turn to come on camera. Our beautiful guide seemed to relish the peculiarity of this social opportunity, and we both assented to the invitation.

Hampton rose from his seat and we shook hands after the introduction. He made an extremely good impression on me, and apparently many others saw a worthy warrior in him, so I was saddened when he was eventually murdered in his bed during a controversial ambush by Chicago police.

When we returned to Arlington, after having survived a wheel nearly falling off the car along the road because of mysteriously loosened lug nuts, I was offered the opportunity to become one of the few formal party members. It seemed a natural progression, as I had already participated in nearly every wild punch-up party officials had asked us to instigate with anti-war demonstrators, while they now adopted a new custom of often staying hidden and directing from a position of safety.

There were also two incidents that caused me to lose faith in the NSWPP's program; the first being a nasty attack we made against an anti-war meeting at the Quaker Church, and the second was an attack against a young man - without any connection to politics - because he had long hair. I soon realized that I was opposed to the war myself, but that the party's conservative tendencies were supporting the establishment's war.

Lloyd consulted with Pierce and Koehl, and as the rank and file had already assumed I had become a member, some registered their surprise when I turned this invitation down. I was beginning to realize that I was too ideologically different from the NSWPP; it tended to be more predictably conservative than a synthesis of contradictory social currents. The party increasingly seemed like an impotent cult as well, a parody of another time and place despite all the efforts to find a more modern image.

I declined their invitation just shortly before the Koehl/Pierce dispute - or what Pierce's secretary, Earl, so appropriately dubbed "The Big Split" - but remained active as an official supporter. That was fortuitous for the recording of radical political history, as I soon witnessed the riveting events that two recently published histories on the party barely touched upon.

When Koehl and his security chief Chris Vidnjevich pre-planned putting Pierce out, they decided to begin by undermining those who might support him. Chris decided to criticize Earl's routine office work, hoping he would quietly submit and quit his job first. The way this plan unrolled, however, was to disappoint and frustrate them.

Rest at:
http://www.heretical.com/miscella/hbarrett.html