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Old September 10th, 2010 #1
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Question WHITE NATIONALISTS: What Does Don Black Do With All your Money?

Foreward: I am a white male in his twenties, and while I don't subscribe to the "Racialist" views that WN's espouse - I DO support the concepts of freedom of speech and freedom of association.

My question to you, when you donate money to DON BLACK of Stormfront, where does it go? Is there any proper oversight to see that this cash is used for its intended purposes?

As far as website overhead costs go, they are not that high for a website of Stormfront's format and userbase size, and looking at the technical setup of the site, the money isn't going to development..

I only bring this up because I believe that the WN movement CAN succeed, using a modified "PLE" model.

Rather than sending your money piecemeal to some guy in Florida, why not create a website that looks for areas of land that are for sale, create a system to accept money, and then PURCHASE these areas of land?"

Invite only trusted users from the Stormfront / WN user base to participate initially and then expand.

The idea of purchasing areas of land to create a community has been done before successfully: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania,_Northern_Cape

So what do you say WN's? What happens to your contributions? What are your thoughts on 'accelerated PLE'?

To detractors: I implore you to refrain from posting hateful and non-constructive comments, White Nationalism from the perspective of freedom of association is COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE if it is accomplished by legal, non-violent methods.

[I tried to post this on Stormfront... but i really doubt the moderators there would ever let this through..]
 
Old September 12th, 2010 #2
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This isn't stormfront. This is VNN. From what I've heard, stormfront is a steaming pile of (nearly) "politically correct" crap and is run by joos. No one on here(or very few anyway) goes there, and it made no sense for you to post this here.
 
Old September 12th, 2010 #3
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Originally Posted by Don White View Post
I don't subscribe to the "Racialist" views that WN's espouse
Is there any proper oversight to see that this cash is used for its intended purposes?

As far as website overhead costs go, they are not that high for a website of Stormfront's format and userbase size, and looking at the technical setup of the site, the money isn't going to development..

Rather than sending your money piecemeal to some guy in Florida, why not create a website that looks for areas of land that are for sale, create a system to accept money, and then PURCHASE these areas of land?"

Invite only trusted users from the Stormfront / WN user base to participate initially and then expand.

The idea of purchasing areas of land to create a community has been done before successfully: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania,_Northern_Cape

So what do you say WN's? What happens to your contributions? What are your thoughts on 'accelerated PLE'?

To detractors: I implore you to refrain from posting hateful and non-constructive comments, White Nationalism from the perspective of freedom of association is COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE if it is accomplished by legal, non-violent methods.

[I tried to post this on Stormfront... but i really doubt the moderators there would ever let this through..]

Since it's his business and he does it fulltime, and he's nearing retirement age, I would imagine it goes to his families living expenses, medical plan, pension plans, investments, house and car payments, probably a portion goes to David Dukes campaign etc.
That is its intended purpose.

What's wrong with that?
Do you earn a living?
Or do you forego income, medical plan, pension etc and work fulltime for the movement?

Also, since most of us have never met, and we use pseudonyms online, where is this database of trusted WN/Stormfront members?

How were posters true identities discovered, how was their trustworthiness ascertained, who recorded them on and who has access to
this database, and did those posters give permission for their names, addresses etc to be stored in this database?

If you don't agree with our racial views, then why do you concern yourself with us or what we do or don't do, or about forming white communities?
If you don't agree with our views, you aren't a WN.

You mention Orania, a visit to their website shows a predominantly lower class subsistence level farming community of less than a 1000 people in a largely arid, almost desert like area, where most people work at things like arts and crafts.
Its in a black run municipality, in a black run province, in a black run country, without even the power to make bylaws, or control its taxation.

This is your model.
Not the US as it was 50 years ago when the US was a world power.
Not Europe as it was 70 years ago when it was a world power
Not Switzerland.
No, you advocate we all move to villages in the desert, surrounded by and governed by blacks.

Why not just move to a sovereign independent state like New Hampshire?

If you want to run a little town, there are thousands of little towns full of white people.
Why not take control of one?
Its not that hard to become a mayor of a little town.

Go finish your homework, son, and then go clean your room.
Your mom will be calling you for dinner soon.
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Old September 12th, 2010 #4
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Since it's his business and he does it fulltime, and he's nearing retirement age, I would imagine it goes to his families living expenses, medical plan, pension plans, investments, house and car payments, probably a portion goes to David Dukes campaign etc.
That is its intended purpose.

What's wrong with that?
Do you earn a living?
Or do you forego income, medical plan, pension etc and work fulltime for the movement?
Agreed. I'm not arguing that this SHOULDN'T happen, but certainly some documentation should be provided?

"Family living expenses" can range from frugal to decadent. I think the contributors of cash should have some knowledge of how their money is being spent?

(I personally respect movement leaders who disavow personal pleasure for the cause - eg; Thomas Sankara)

Also note that his wife is also a breadwinner, she works for The Fanjul Brothers conglomerate.



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Also, since most of us have never met, and we use pseudonyms online, where is this database of trusted WN/Stormfront members?

How were posters true identities discovered, how was their trustworthiness ascertained, who recorded them on and who has access to
this database, and did those posters give permission for their names, addresses etc to be stored in this database?
I'm not sure if you've heard of the 'PLE' movement on Stormfront or the various meet-ups that occur, but there are large number of WN's who have personally met each other "IRL" and can vouch for each other.

The "PLE" members already seeded in Washington state can be a great initial source for this, as well as the other already established networks in California and all around the country.

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If you don't agree with our racial views, then why do you concern yourself with us or what we do or don't do, or about forming white communities?
If you don't agree with our views, you aren't a WN.
Never said I was a WN.

I won't bore you with a full explanation of my social/political ideologies - but suffice to say I am a logical libertarian constitutionalist (America, fuck yeah!)

I don't support gun control, I don't support substance prohibition.

I see WN's as a victim of racism. I believe that your right to freedom of association should be upheld.

I would defend your right to living in white communities to the death - not because I share your views on why you're doing that - but because I support the principle of your right to do it.

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You mention Orania, a visit to their website shows a predominantly lower class subsistence level farming community of less than a 1000 people in a largely arid, almost desert like area, where most people work at things like arts and crafts.
Its in a black run municipality, in a black run province, in a black run country, without even the power to make bylaws, or control its taxation.

This is your model.
Not the US as it was 50 years ago when the US was a world power.
Not Europe as it was 70 years ago when it was a world power
Not Switzerland.
No, you advocate we all move to villages in the desert, surrounded by and governed by blacks.
First off, you are being rather condescending towards the population of Orania. You realize that the way they are living is the traditional Afrikaner lifestyle? That is their culture and the way they choose to live. They are not a "lower class."

Secondly note that Orania is simply the best successful example of such and endeavor I could find. It's just an example. I am not suggesting that anyone move to Africa.

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Why not just move to a sovereign independent state like New Hampshire?

If you want to run a little town, there are thousands of little towns full of white people.
Why not take control of one?
Its not that hard to become a mayor of a little town.
YES, I agree with you - this is exactly what I was suggesting! New Hampshire may be as good a choice as any (taking your word for it, haven't done any research on whether NH is the best choice - PLE movement generally adheres to the "Pacific Northwest Migration" meaning Washington State)

Monetary funds can be pooled and then used to buy up land in an area, whether it be New Hampshire or Washington State, and then "PLE" can take place under the corporate model of Orania.

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Go finish your homework, son, and then go clean your room.
Your mom will be calling you for dinner soon.
University hasn't started yet so no homework, and I always keep my living space tidy
I'm cooking dinner tonight actually, pork varenyky - yum!
 
Old September 16th, 2010 #5
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Originally Posted by Don White View Post
Foreward: I am a white male in his twenties, and while I don't subscribe to the "Racialist" views that WN's espouse - I DO support the concepts of freedom of speech and freedom of association.

My question to you, when you donate money to DON BLACK of Stormfront, where does it go? Is there any proper oversight to see that this cash is used for its intended purposes?

As far as website overhead costs go, they are not that high for a website of Stormfront's format and userbase size, and looking at the technical setup of the site, the money isn't going to development..

I only bring this up because I believe that the WN movement CAN succeed, using a modified "PLE" model.

Rather than sending your money piecemeal to some guy in Florida, why not create a website that looks for areas of land that are for sale, create a system to accept money, and then PURCHASE these areas of land?"

Invite only trusted users from the Stormfront / WN user base to participate initially and then expand.

The idea of purchasing areas of land to create a community has been done before successfully: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania,_Northern_Cape

So what do you say WN's? What happens to your contributions? What are your thoughts on 'accelerated PLE'?

To detractors: I implore you to refrain from posting hateful and non-constructive comments, White Nationalism from the perspective of freedom of association is COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE if it is accomplished by legal, non-violent methods.

[I tried to post this on Stormfront... but i really doubt the moderators there would ever let this through..]

Anyway.. you have a good point. As some posters here pointed out, the money may not always go to pure political things... Money is involved.. True it is expensive to run an internet forum.. And the money goes to his living.. his house.. to his servers.. Well, no matter how.. it´s a kind of making profits. It´s not purely idealistic.
 
Old September 16th, 2010 #6
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I have no idea how much money Don Black makes with Stormfront, but as far as I know he does not claim to be a non-profit organization. He's under no obligation to do anything other than keep that site going with that money. If he took the money and ran, selling the Stormfront website to the ADL then that would be a legitimate gripe.

However, your point seems to be that we should redirect our time and money into building white communities rather than funding Black's lifestyle. I pretty much agree, but no one is currently, seriously doing this as far as I know. I hear Kalispell, MT is quietly becoming a WN friendly town but it's by no means WN controlled. I think this is a case of "if you build it, they will come."
 
Old September 17th, 2010 #7
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Since this talk of "Don Black" has been rekindled on VNN, I was wondering if any of you "old timers" out there remember when Black and others were arrested for "trying to invade some island"?

For the charges they were charged with, I always thought the sentence was pretty light. Does anyone know of the other people involved and how much time they got, what are they doing now, and what they had to say about the event?
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Old September 18th, 2010 #9
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Since this talk of "Don Black" has been rekindled on VNN, I was wondering if any of you "old timers" out there remember when Black and others were arrested for "trying to invade some island"?
I believe this happened at some time in the end of the 70s, or the beginning of the 80s. Not sure.
 
Old September 18th, 2010 #10
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I believe this happened at some time in the end of the 70s, or the beginning of the 80s. Not sure.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...949118,00.html

Operation Red Dog was the code name of plan by Canadian and American mercenaries, largely affiliated with white supremacist and Ku Klux Klan groups, to overthrow the government of Dominica, where they planned to restore former Prime Minister Patrick John to power. The chief figures included American Klansman Mike Perdue, Canadian neo-Nazi Wolfgang Droege, and Barbadian weapons smuggler Sydney Burnett-Alleyne. After the plot was thwarted by U.S. federal agents in New Orleans, Louisiana, the news media dubbed it "Bayou of Pigs", after the failed 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion.
The leader Mike Perdue and six other men pleaded guilty to violation of the Neutrality Act; two others were found guilty by a jury. The men received three-year prison sentences.

On April 27, 1981, Droege and eight other men, including Canadian James Alexander McQuirter and American Don Black, who later founded the white nationalist website Stormfront, were arrested by federal agents in New Orleans as they prepared to board a boat with automatic weapons, shotguns, rifles, handguns, dynamite, ammunition, and a black and white Nazi flag.

The plan was to charter a boat to Dominica and rendezvous via rubber boats with John and his makeshift army. The genesis of the idea came from long-time Klan member Perdue, who was introduced in 1979 to Droege through David Duke. That summer, Perdue outlined his plan to overthrow Grenada and to set up several lucrative businesses.

After their meeting, it was established that Droege would locate funds and resources. Duke initially involved Canadian Don Andrews, but after Perdue changed the target island to Dominica, Andrews withdrew. Klansmen Arnie Polli and Roger Dermee were paid US $3,000 to visit Dominica to obtain preliminary reconnaissance. Canadian neo-Nazi Martin K. Weiche was allegedly a financial backer of the plot along with James White of Houston and L. E. Matthews of Jackson, Mississippi.

In February 1981, the captain and crew Duke had arranged for backed out. Perdue then approached a local boat captain and Vietnam War veteran, Michael S. Howell. Perdue said the Central Intelligence Agency needed his boat for a covert operation. Howell then contacted the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). On April 25, John was arrested in Dominica. When Perdue learned of the arrest and that their plans were no longer secret, he insisted that the mission should continue. On April 27, the group, including three ATF agents, met at the predetermined location, loaded the van and proceeded to the marina. Local police were waiting for them at the marina.

In 1984, during an interview by Barbados's daily Nation Newspaper Sydney Burnett-Alleyne was asked if the group had planned to overthrow the government of Barbados and install John as prime minister there as well. He responded:

"He could have become prime minister, although that was not the real reason behind my plan of action. I wanted to add the land mass of Dominica to that of Barbados and also to be able to undertake an industrial project of considerable size. South African resources, millions of dollars, were available to me to be used for such a project. But Patrick John didn't do what was supposed to have done. But more than that, I became incensed when I found out he was giving away Dominican land to Americans. He lost an important opportunity to be a central figure in the history of the Caribbean."

A book about the plot, by Canadian journalist Stewart Bell, was published in August 2008.
 
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...949118,00.html

Operation Red Dog was the code name of plan by Canadian and American mercenaries, largely affiliated with white supremacist and Ku Klux Klan groups, to overthrow the government of Dominica, where they planned to restore former Prime Minister Patrick John to power. The chief figures included American Klansman Mike Perdue, Canadian neo-Nazi Wolfgang Droege, and Barbadian weapons smuggler Sydney Burnett-Alleyne. After the plot was thwarted by U.S. federal agents in New Orleans, Louisiana, the news media dubbed it "Bayou of Pigs", after the failed 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion.
The leader Mike Perdue and six other men pleaded guilty to violation of the Neutrality Act; two others were found guilty by a jury. The men received three-year prison sentences.

On April 27, 1981, Droege and eight other men, including Canadian James Alexander McQuirter and American Don Black, who later founded the white nationalist website Stormfront, were arrested by federal agents in New Orleans as they prepared to board a boat with automatic weapons, shotguns, rifles, handguns, dynamite, ammunition, and a black and white Nazi flag.

The plan was to charter a boat to Dominica and rendezvous via rubber boats with John and his makeshift army. The genesis of the idea came from long-time Klan member Perdue, who was introduced in 1979 to Droege through David Duke. That summer, Perdue outlined his plan to overthrow Grenada and to set up several lucrative businesses.

After their meeting, it was established that Droege would locate funds and resources. Duke initially involved Canadian Don Andrews, but after Perdue changed the target island to Dominica, Andrews withdrew. Klansmen Arnie Polli and Roger Dermee were paid US $3,000 to visit Dominica to obtain preliminary reconnaissance. Canadian neo-Nazi Martin K. Weiche was allegedly a financial backer of the plot along with James White of Houston and L. E. Matthews of Jackson, Mississippi.

In February 1981, the captain and crew Duke had arranged for backed out. Perdue then approached a local boat captain and Vietnam War veteran, Michael S. Howell. Perdue said the Central Intelligence Agency needed his boat for a covert operation. Howell then contacted the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). On April 25, John was arrested in Dominica. When Perdue learned of the arrest and that their plans were no longer secret, he insisted that the mission should continue. On April 27, the group, including three ATF agents, met at the predetermined location, loaded the van and proceeded to the marina. Local police were waiting for them at the marina.

In 1984, during an interview by Barbados's daily Nation Newspaper Sydney Burnett-Alleyne was asked if the group had planned to overthrow the government of Barbados and install John as prime minister there as well. He responded:

"He could have become prime minister, although that was not the real reason behind my plan of action. I wanted to add the land mass of Dominica to that of Barbados and also to be able to undertake an industrial project of considerable size. South African resources, millions of dollars, were available to me to be used for such a project. But Patrick John didn't do what was supposed to have done. But more than that, I became incensed when I found out he was giving away Dominican land to Americans. He lost an important opportunity to be a central figure in the history of the Caribbean."

A book about the plot, by Canadian journalist Stewart Bell, was published in August 2008.
Thanks for the information!
 
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Old June 13th, 2011 #15
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I agree with all this. I would not give my money to someone representing a "cause". My main point of registering on here was to post about the PLE I am building.

I don't think the focus should be to buy some land somewhere, but rather to exist more like Jews in a diasporic tribal community which siezes power and control whenever it can.

I have had a lot of problems with stormfront. I believe it is run by anti-wn and probably Jews as a way to keep track of the WN community.

There is almost nothing productive coming from the WN community other than David Duke from what I can see. Most of it is counter productive (threatening others, ranting on about hate etc.). If there were good politicians, leaders etc. I would throw some small donations their way but the majority of the effort should obviously be in your own life and what you are doing personally.
 
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