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Old June 23rd, 2010 #1
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Is this really what Bennett and Butler are backing?

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This we need to focus on, so, why didn’t we win the election? Why did we lose seats? Because people honestly fear the intentions/agendas inside of the BNP.
A fear helped along by the rant on the destroyed BNP website on the eve of the election, maybe? Don't come out with the crap that it was only up for ten minutes, you made sure it was up long enough for a known red troll to get screenshots and spread them far and wide.

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I spoke to many that want this country to reform. They all had the same thoughts as myself. But, come that election day. I found they all voted for UKIP and other parties such as Labour… Because they felt there wasn’t a real other option. The past of the party is what they feared. And now even in the present we have had skelletons come out from the closet. There is so much crap that we need to fix, to get to TRUE nationalism.

I am a territorial nationalist, so for some, I am sure you will not like what I have to say. I respect that. I found it hard being under the BNP banner to listen and debate this crap I speak of that needs to be fixed… Amateur and pathetic ways need to cease… Example the “Whites only membership policy” what a waste of time… Taking something as petty and pathetic and drawing it out many times in court… Black, browns, whatever… I don’t see colour. Colour isn’t an issue, what is an issue is the preservation of the nation
Simon was a member before the whites only policy was forcibly changed - why the hell did he join a party whose values he did not believe in?
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Black, browns, whatever… I don’t see colour. Colour isn’t an issue, what is an issue is the preservation of the nation
He doesn't know what a "nation" is.
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Old June 23rd, 2010 #3
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You don't see colour??? How can you preserve a fucking WHITE nation then you absolute DISGRACE.
 
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To get a white nation within the existing laws and no doubt those still to come will/is nigh on impossible.It is time to set about getting some political power and then setting about (Re)creating a white Aryan Britain for the British.
As has been amply demonstrated one can be as "radical" and "hardcore" as one likes but it does not win elections.There are of course dozens of failed examples of alternative paths to power for those unable to perform the political ju jitsu that is/will be required for the Bnp to triumph.
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Old June 24th, 2010 #6
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And being a PC appeasing liberal nationalist does win elections? The dutch may be shitting out "nationalist" mps but this country is constipated mate.
 
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To get a white nation within the existing laws and no doubt those still to come will/is nigh on impossible.It is time to set about getting some political power and then setting about (Re)creating a white Aryan Britain for the British.
As has been amply demonstrated one can be as "radical" and "hardcore" as one likes but it does not win elections.There are of course dozens of failed examples of alternative paths to power for those unable to perform the political ju jitsu that is/will be required for the Bnp to triumph.
Have you all noticed how those who claim the BNP needs to become more populist are fully associating populism with liberalism? This is really an attempt to pull the wool over our eyes.

Very non-liberal ideas are also very populist BUT THE MEDIA AND ESTABLISHMENT ARE TRYING TO STAMP IT OUT with opinion makers and name calling etc.

The two most obvious populist ideas that the establishment hates are Capital Punishment and ceasing Immigration. There are other populist ideas such as disgust with homosexuals that the establishment does their damnedest to make out only a few fringe "extremists" feel. This is just an "emperor's new clothes" deception.

Not long ago a survey by Sky News found that BNP policies are indeed very popular with the public when given the choice - but that something strange happens when you tell the people first that these are BNP policies as opposed to just asking them what they think of the policies. Then support plummets. This is due to the incessant brainwashing against our party.

Anyone suggesting that the BNP oddly choosing the same liberal policies as the mainstream parties will give us the edge is a lying traitor. It makes no sense that it would work since the other deceivers have the ball in their court. Anyway we are not here just to get power for powers' sake - we are here to save our race and that way is just the most cowardly suicide.
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Have you all noticed how those who claim the BNP needs to become more populist are fully associating populism with liberalism? This is really an attempt to pull the wool over our eyes.

Very non-liberal ideas are also very populist BUT THE MEDIA AND ESTABLISHMENT ARE TRYING TO STAMP IT OUT with opinion makers and name calling etc.

The two most obvious populist ideas that the establishment hates are Capital Punishment and ceasing Immigration. There are other populist ideas such as disgust with homosexuals that the establishment does their damnedest to make out only a few fringe "extremists" feel. This is just an "emperor's new clothes" deception.

Not long ago a survey by Sky News found that BNP policies are indeed very popular with the public when given the choice - but that something strange happens when you tell the people first that these are BNP policies as opposed to just asking them what they think of the policies. Then support plummets. This is due to the incessant brainwashing against our party.

Anyone suggesting that the BNP oddly choosing the same liberal policies as the mainstream parties will give us the edge is a lying traitor. It makes no sense that it would work since the other deceivers have the ball in their court. Anyway we are not here just to get power for powers' sake - we are here to save our race and that way is just the most cowardly suicide.
They may very well be popular policies however they do not win elections.To all practicle intents and purposes the Bnp exists soley to fight elections.That as a given resisting the move to civic nationalism is the action of a coward and a lemming.You may very well want to usher your enemies into the ovens however if the Bnp is to destroy or at least negate the likes of Ukip it will have to jettison social racism in the political arena.
It is grotesque that any nazi has ever sought succour in the Bnp they (the nazis) are a liability to the attempt to obtain political power for the indigenous population in the UK.
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They may very well be popular policies however they do not win elections.To all practicle intents and purposes the Bnp exists soley to fight elections.That as a given resisting the move to civic nationalism is the action of a coward and a lemming.You may very well want to usher your enemies into the ovens however if the Bnp is to destroy or at least negate the likes of Ukip it will have to jettison social racism in the political arena.
It is grotesque that any nazi has ever sought succour in the Bnp they (the nazis) are a liability to the attempt to obtain political power for the indigenous population in the UK.
The Nazis are virtually all dead right now. They were the members of the NSWP in WW2 Germany.

Loyalty to your ethnicity is not something that was invented by Nazis.

If the BNP is just about winning elections then why don't all its members simply join Labour or the Conservatives? I am sure we can win elections then. You are asking us to drop any policies that differentiate us from the mainstream anyway.

Winning elections is important to the extent that we can do that while still championing the indigenous Brits and remaining, as the latest copy of Voice of Freedom insists the party still is, a firmly ethnonationalist party.
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If the BNP is just about winning elections then why don't all its members simply join Labour or the Conservatives? I am sure we can win elections then. You are asking us to drop any policies that differentiate us from the mainstream anyway.

Winning elections is important to the extent that we can do that while still championing the indigenous Brits and remaining, as the latest copy of Voice of Freedom insists the party still is, a firmly ethnonationalist party.
Indeed tyndole himself told me it was but time moves on I suppose.Protecting and promoting the cause of the indigenous population is not prevented by having a multi racialist leader with a coolie wife.Indeed the cause will be enhanced and strengthened by having such a blighter as leader.The media can repeatedly ask him why he is leading a political party with a coolie wife and he can ask them why they are opposing him with their Aryan wives and husbands.Who is more commited to new Britain he or them ?
I am surprised the Bnp do not wheel the jews out more make em earn their corn.
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Indeed tyndole himself told me it was but time moves on I suppose.Protecting and promoting the cause of the indigenous population is not prevented by having a multi racialist leader with a coolie wife.Indeed the cause will be enhanced and strengthened by having such a blighter as leader.The media can repeatedly ask him why he is leading a political party with a coolie wife and he can ask them why they are opposing him with their Aryan wives and husbands.Who is more commited to new Britain he or them ?
I am surprised the Bnp do not wheel the jews out more make em earn their corn.
There wouldn't be just this one hypocrite with his "coolie" wife - this would break open a dam that is straining in the party, which want the party to forget about our race entirely and show how non"racist" we are by having a big multiracial orgy of miscegenator candidates. The party is ready to turn, overnight, into the ultimate multiracial political party. And won't the Jews be laughing then? I am sure they must be rolling on the floor already at this turn of events. This is treachery and idiocy.

Are you proposing that the party masquerade as something that you agree totally stinks and that we will stand out proudly from the other parties and sweep into power and then unmask ourselves as being racial loyalists?!
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Had to nick this quote from JiB's forum where Simon is getting the smackdown over what he posted.

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I am pretty open minded to the various aspects of Nationalism and feel we ought to worry more about those that wish to destroy it in all of its forms as opposed to fighting and bitching amongst ourselves.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm a Nationalist. That's good enough for me, but perhaps not everyone.
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There wouldn't be just this one hypocrite with his "coolie" wife - this would break open a dam that is straining in the party, which want the party to forget about our race entirely and show how non"racist" we are by having a big multiracial orgy of miscegenator candidates. The party is ready to turn, overnight, into the ultimate multiracial political party. And won't the Jews be laughing then? I am sure they must be rolling on the floor already at this turn of events. This is treachery and idiocy.

Are you proposing that the party masquerade as something that you agree totally stinks and that we will stand out proudly from the other parties and sweep into power and then unmask ourselves as being racial loyalists?!
The jews have been laughing their bollocks off for decades.First Green and then later with far more publicity sephardi collett.Even the jew interveiwer in young nazi and proud told him they looked like brothers.When I pointed out he looked classically jewish I was told I must be mistaken as Bev had met him personally though she has never met a jew.Well I have met dozens of them and see dozens of them on a daily basis and collett looks (And acts) exactly like them.
Now you tell me what sort of effect do you reckon that has on jews ? Heres the big tough "nazis" and there centre stage is cousin morry the fishmongers son ? Most jews must have laughed like a drain at such an imposture.To me it was the equivalent of having Lenny Henry director of publicity.
Am I the only one who comrehends the fact that if you allow not just crypto jews like gertner,collett and dork in but open jews such as councillor Richardson into the party the party by definition is MULTI BLOODY RACIAL.Leave alone the turks,slavs and assorted mystery meats.It already is and has been from the get go a multi racial political party.
Now the perceptions of some mainly encouraged and promoted by the mass media is that the Bnp is a mono racial party this will not change if lenny henry gets sephardi colletts old job.The point I am making is that to allow jews and other aliens in but not blacks is absurd and immoral.The FN have had black members to my certain knowledge since 1994 and arabs since 1982 they may have had them before those dates but that was when I personally encountered them.
I have not noticed anyone on the planet mistaking the ultimate goal of LePen and the Front National for anything other than a French France.Of course I have seen "movement" criticism to the extent of bastardy personified when they promoted the obvious coloured man bruno megret but not any criticism worth the candle.The Bnp needs to apply the proven tactics of the FN and set about creating a British Britain
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Had to nick this quote from JiB's forum where Simon is getting the smackdown over what he posted.
Are you saying that you would describe your view in the same words as Bennett? I thought at first you are saying that anyone with such views must be as much a race traitor as Bennett is.

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I am pretty open minded to the various aspects of Nationalism and feel we ought to worry more about those that wish to destroy it in all of its forms as opposed to fighting and bitching amongst ourselves.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm a Nationalist. That's good enough for me, but perhaps not everyone.
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The jews have been laughing their bollocks off for decades.First Green and then later with far more publicity sephardi collett.Even the jew interveiwer in young nazi and proud told him they looked like brothers.When I pointed out he looked classically jewish I was told I must be mistaken as Bev had met him personally though she has never met a jew.Well I have met dozens of them and see dozens of them on a daily basis and collett looks (And acts) exactly like them.
Now you tell me what sort of effect do you reckon that has on jews ? Heres the big tough "nazis" and there centre stage is cousin morry the fishmongers son ? Most jews must have laughed like a drain at such an imposture.To me it was the equivalent of having Lenny Henry director of publicity.
Am I the only one who comrehends the fact that if you allow not just crypto jews like gertner,collett and dork in but open jews such as councillor Richardson into the party the party by definition is MULTI BLOODY RACIAL.Leave alone the turks,slavs and assorted mystery meats.It already is and has been from the get go a multi racial political party.
Now the perceptions of some mainly encouraged and promoted by the mass media is that the Bnp is a mono racial party this will not change if lenny henry gets sephardi colletts old job.The point I am making is that to allow jews and other aliens in but not blacks is absurd and immoral.The FN have had black members to my certain knowledge since 1994 and arabs since 1982 they may have had them before those dates but that was when I personally encountered them.
I have not noticed anyone on the planet mistaking the ultimate goal of LePen and the Front National for anything other than a French France.Of course I have seen "movement" criticism to the extent of bastardy personified when they promoted the obvious coloured man bruno megret but not any criticism worth the candle.The Bnp needs to apply the proven tactics of the FN and set about creating a British Britain
Has the the French FN any Black officials or candidates? This is the crucial thing. I heard they had a token Black at some meetings who was basically a tramp off the streets who would rant in a drunken and amusing manner that was taken as entertainment.

As far as I know the French NF maintain a loosely Nordicist ideal - which is surprising considering that the French would be expected to see themselves as being part of the illusory Mediterranean ethnicity which is really a product of a mixture with non-white genes. This is why the Italians, Spanish etc can have no ethnonationalist party unless it takes the aim of breeding eugenically towards the Germanic past in Italy.

The British are not in the category of the far more genetically diverse southern European group and our job is more one of maintaining what we have than a dream of reviving it.

The Jews in the party are superficially "White" and if they were not openly Jewish they would be crypto Jews. Andy have you thought how it would be if the BNP actually forbade Jews and had to have a permanent Jew-hunt on? Ridiculously impractical. It makes sense to keep them, under observation. Their presence is not a capitulation to race-mixing at all! Even if the "evil" Adolf Hitler had a party in Britain today he would agree on that. [Btw I think Adolf reincarnated would go for an environmentalist stance with added White Islam - ie Green Muslim.]

There is an odd contradiction in what you are saying Andy, and it is consistent with your failure to answer the questions I have asked you in regard to your stance.

You say that you have disliked strongly how multiracial the BNP has been from its inception and yet that having any number of non-whites in the party and in official positions is now a good thing and only fair. So now you like the idea? This is contradictory and illogical.
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Are you saying that you would describe your view in the same words as Bennett? I thought at first you are saying that anyone with such views must be as much a race traitor as Bennett is.
Eh? No, those aren't MY views! I posted the original quote from Simon's site, then an entertaining link to another forum where Simon was getting ranted at for saying it. First he denied they were his words, then when it was pointed out it was on his site, he said he didn't write it but he agreed with it.

I don't agree with him at all!
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Eh? No, those aren't MY views! I posted the original quote from Simon's site, then an entertaining link to another forum where Simon was getting ranted at for saying it. First he denied they were his words, then when it was pointed out it was on his site, he said he didn't write it but he agreed with it.

I don't agree with him at all!
That's good, sorry I implied anything else Bev.
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There is an odd contradiction in what you are saying Andy, and it is consistent with your failure to answer the questions I have asked you in regard to your stance.

You say that you have disliked strongly how multiracial the BNP has been from its inception and yet that having any number of non-whites in the party and in official positions is now a good thing and only fair. So now you like the idea? This is contradictory and illogical.
It is called consistency a value which completely by passes internet posters.My replies have made crystal my veiw on the matter.To reiterate and encapsulate If one is going to have a legally registered politcial party campaigning in elections then one must comply with the complete law and be seen to be doing so.
Now revanchist and geo political "nationalists" within the Bnp have resisted Griffins attempts to make Bnp legal compliant.Now he is risking gaol because crypto jews like gertner and their odd "comrades" think there is some method whereby the law can be circumvented.It cannot be circumvented,if you want to take part in mainstream politics with a legally registered party you must have bantu and coolie.It is self evident that jews both crypto and open jews have been members of the Bnp from the get go. I find it grotesque that anyone such as say Richard Edmonds can make common cause with a crypto jew like gertner yet baulk at winston being a member.
This is particularly pertinent for Bnp members from the provinces I must presume the true nature and membership of the Bnp is hidden from them.I can state categorically that at least a full thrid of the Bnp membership is not indigenous.That is Celtic Anglo - Saxons are very thin on the ground.Any Bnp meeting or event in London or south east will show a majority of mystery meat and semetic appearence blighters.This is not true of other areas of the country.
The bottom line is that if jews are in then so are the bantu at least winston is'nt going to con anyone he meets with "young nazi and proud" is he ?
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It is called consistency a value which completely by passes internet posters.My replies have made crystal my veiw on the matter.To reiterate and encapsulate If one is going to have a legally registered politcial party campaigning in elections then one must comply with the complete law and be seen to be doing so.
What you are saying is that we must comply with the spirit of the law and not just the letter of the law! I advocate only complying with the letter of a law that is unjust. That has also been the position of the BNP and probably still is as the alternative is to jack the whole thing in.

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Now revanchist and geo political "nationalists" within the Bnp have resisted Griffins attempts to make Bnp legal compliant.Now he is risking gaol because crypto jews like gertner and their odd "comrades" think there is some method whereby the law can be circumvented.It cannot be circumvented,if you want to take part in mainstream politics with a legally registered party you must have bantu and coolie.
There has been no attempt to circumvent the letter of the law and therefore the BNP has not broken any law. The preposterous new court case is concerning a charge that the BNP persists in calling itself an ethnonationalist party when the enemies thought their law was sufficiently worded to make this impossible. Now they are going in for the kill to effectively make any expression of ethnic loyalty to a White nationality in any organisation (no matter that non-whites are allowed as members) illegal. This would eliminate the reason the BNP exists and the party would cease to exist if this attack is successful. I do not detect any outrage at this blatantly genocidal move in your responses Andy.

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This is particularly pertinent for Bnp members from the provinces I must presume the true nature and membership of the Bnp is hidden from them.I can state categorically that at least a full thrid of the Bnp membership is not indigenous.That is Celtic Anglo - Saxons are very thin on the ground.Any Bnp meeting or event in London or south east will show a majority of mystery meat and semetic appearence blighters.This is not true of other areas of the country.
While this is regrettable, it does not have to result in steering the ship into the rocks. And especially it does not mean that we should relish steering the ship to its doom. The party would have a lot less power if we threw out everyone suspected of not being of our ethnicity. When I joined the party years ago it was my opinion that the law already made it illegal to racially discriminate and that we had to put up with the consequences of that. It does not have to mean that the party cannot be an ethnonationalist party for the British people. These dubious people should be prevented from altering the course. That's what counts. What you propose, Andy, is completely to run the party into the ground.
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