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Old June 18th, 2011 #1
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What are the most striking and politically revelant differences between these two types? I could have said, christian, of course, but let's make it SB, since that's the big demographic our cause-that-won't-turn-over draws from.

Let's see how smart any of you are.

What are the differences between these groups, and how are they going to play out where the two come in competition, and why?

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Old June 18th, 2011 #2
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What are the differences between these groups, and how are they going to play out where the two come in competition, and why?
There are ethnic differences. I doubt you'll find semitic SBs. You will find that a greater proportion of SBs are zionists than jews. I don't see them in conflict. The jew knows a useful tool and uses it.
 
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There are ethnic differences. I doubt you'll find semitic SBs. You will find that a greater proportion of SBs are zionists than jews. I don't see them in conflict. The jew knows a useful tool and uses it.
Missing the point.

I'm talking about their culture, their mindset, their religious views, their way of looking at the world, their daily activities, the things they admire, etc. Of course they're different ethnically, that hardly needs saying.
 
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I'm not American but from what i have read and observed the main difference is that the Southern Baptist is naive and stupid, in other words a believer in 'good and evil' and god. These Baptists can be easily manipulated and led to their destruction by those who hate them, and jews really do hate them, even though they use them to do their dirty work and then suck them dry.

The jew on the other hand is clever cunning and most important of all does not believe in good vs evil, the jew is an atheist, a calculated sceptic who looks at things from all angles, he cannot be fooled, unlike the god adoring primitive Baptist dog.
There is only one law that the jew observes and that is 'Is it good for jews'. Baptists cannot think like this because of their christ-insanity which prevents rational thought and considers racism a sin.


Just to give a brief example of my own country which is mainly orthodox christian {another horrible sect of the christ cult}.
When the Serbs chased out the Ottomans and the turkish armies were driven out of Serbia and Europe, instead of also driving out the gypos shiptars and local Slavs who had converted to Islam under the turks and destroying their mosques, the Orthodox church issued a call for the local muslims and shiptars to remain in Serbia and said that any Serb who harms a local muslim 'brother' is not a christian. The orthodox church stopped people from doing what needed to be done and now we pay the price of their christ-insanity with the rapid spread of shiptars and Islam in Serbian lands.

Christ-insanity needs to be destroyed, there is no other way around it.
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Old June 19th, 2011 #5
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Perhaps one difference is that Jews value knowledge and information whereas most Southern Baptists do not.
 
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Missing the point.

I'm talking about their culture, their mindset, their religious views, their way of looking at the world, their daily activities, the things they admire, etc. Of course they're different ethnically, that hardly needs saying.
I didn't miss the point. I answered your question.

You asked for differences. Ethnic.

You should have said outside of ethnicity.

As I said, you will find that a greater proportion of SBs are zionists than jews. Their culture is "more jew than the jew" when it comes to "the holy land."
 
Old June 19th, 2011 #7
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Well, the Southern Baptist isn't as sophisticated and cosmopolitan a proxy Jew as the Jew is in his natural Jewishness, and their attempts at it lately are laughable; the Catholic comes closest.

As a sort of perpetual bad-willed De Tocqueville, Jews equate observational expertise, hyper-refined opportunism and exploitation of the majority culture with being a good faith partner. The Baptist apes that perspective as best he can.

For Jews the histrionics of outrage and sexual perversion and cultural subversion and charlatanism and the romantics of persecution and suffering are Semitic-instinctive, while the Southern Baptist's in that same vein are compulsive, thrust upon them psychologically by the Jewish invention Christinsanity.

Jews lack the Enthusiasm (capital E) Baptists have; that kind of religious sentiment-- a mystical joining with the Deity ('Jesus lives in my heart' & etc.) -- is utterly alien to them; it's rejected, and has always been rejected, as too Greek.

Jews also reject completely the notion of a suicidal Yahweh dying for sins.

Both are religious-ideological supremacists; but both are, arguably, fundamentally materialists; both ache for their own brand of ethno-ideological religio-fascist rule; both have a self-important blindness concomitant with the fervency of their fantasy of being Yahweh's Chosen.
 
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Well, the Southern Baptist isn't as sophisticated and cosmopolitan a proxy Jew as the Jew is in his natural Jewishness, and their attempts at it lately are laughable; the Catholic comes closest.

As a sort of perpetual bad-willed De Tocqueville, Jews equate observational expertise, hyper-refined opportunism and exploitation of the majority culture with being a good faith partner. The Baptist apes that perspective as best he can.

For Jews the histrionics of outrage and sexual perversion and cultural subversion and charlatanism and the romantics of persecution and suffering are Semitic-instinctive, while the Southern Baptist's in that same vein are compulsive, thrust upon them psychologically by the Jewish invention Christinsanity.

Jews lack the Enthusiasm (capital E) Baptists have; that kind of religious sentiment-- a mystical joining with the Deity ('Jesus lives in my heart' & etc.) -- is utterly alien to them; it's rejected, and has always been rejected, as too Greek.

Jews also reject completely the notion of a suicidal Yahweh dying for sins.

Both are religious-ideological supremacists; but both are, arguably, fundamentally materialists; both ache for their own brand of ethno-ideological religio-fascist rule; both have a self-important blindness concomitant with the fervency of their fantasy of being Yahweh's Chosen.
That's a good and interesting answer; for now, though, I want to start with something much simpler.
 
Old June 19th, 2011 #9
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How does it come that Southern (Baptists) never defeat the jew, but always end up being used by it - while simultaneously being mocked by it? Even tho there are only X number of jews, but 100X baptists?

How can this be explained - genetically and culturally?

Why would it never occur to a Southerner to ask these questions?
 
Old June 19th, 2011 #10
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How does it come that Southern (Baptists) never defeat the jew, but always end up being used by it - while simultaneously being mocked by it? Even tho there are only X number of jews, but 100X baptists?

How can this be explained - genetically and culturally?

Why would it never occur to a Southerner to ask these questions?
Perhaps Whites have a genetic quality that can be exploited by Jews but the only thing that can protect them is their abstract concepts like Religion, so Jews mock that( or try to destroy it).

Notice that Southern Baptism was a religion created after the reformation and the official emancipation of Jews during the Enlightenment. For most of Christian history, Jews were suppressed and looked down upon. The same people who came up with the idea of "equality of Mankind" also released the Jews from their Ghettos.
 
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Perhaps Whites have a genetic quality that can be exploited by Jews but the only thing that can protect them is their abstract concepts like Religion, so Jews mock that( or try to destroy it).

Notice that Southern Baptism was a religion created after the reformation and the official emancipation of Jews during the Enlightenment. For most of Christian history, Jews were suppressed and looked down upon. The same people who came up with the idea of "equality of Mankind" also released the Jews from their Ghettos.
Don't interrupt this thread again with your foolishness. I don't want this thread being hijacked. It was the rabbis who wanted jews kept in ghettos.
 
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Don't interrupt this thread again with your foolishness. I don't want this thread being hijacked. It was the rabbis who wanted jews kept in ghettos.
Just giving an answer. Take it or leave it.
 
Old June 19th, 2011 #13
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which one, jew or Southron?

- buys his kids books
- buys his kids GI Joes
- emphasizes importance of words, learning, debate, advanced degrees
- teaches angles
- teaches black-and-white
- advises focus on getting ahead
- advises focus on morality
 
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how does the jew/Southern inculcate identity in his offspring?

who is he? which group(s) is he part of? how should he treat others?
 
Old June 19th, 2011 #15
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I can’t speak to Baptists so this is about jews vs. Southerners generally: which is a virtue, agility or stubbornness? In 1933 Judea declared war on Germany. With the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (1939) jews became noninterventionists. Then with Barbarossa (1941) they reverted to the anti-German crusade. It’s that easy for them. The Southerner can’t do that: he’s stubborn and proud of it. Maybe it’s the sunk cost fallacy from economics. If he holds to the same mistaken beliefs, continues the same failed patterns, he never has admit the initial mistake.
 
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which one, jew or Southron?

- buys his kids books
- buys his kids GI Joes
- emphasizes importance of words, learning, debate, advanced degrees
- teaches angles
- teaches black-and-white
- advises focus on getting ahead
- advises focus on morality
The answers that you're looking for, I think, are:

Jew:
- buys his kids books
- emphasizes importance of words, learning, debate, advanced degrees
- teaches angles (I'm assuming you mean angles in the geometric sense)

Southerner:
- advises focus on morality
- buys his kids GI Joes

As for the other two:
- teaches black-and-white: I'm not sure if you're referring to race here or if you're referring to the concepts of 'opposites' or maybe the concepts of 'absolutes', so depending on which you mean, this could go either way.

- advises focus on morality -- That could go either way depending on what you mean by "morality". The very few Jews that I am personally familiar with are religious jews, though none of them keeps kosher. They start drilling into their children the laws of their Old Testament God -- this is what they consider to be the source of morals and morality -- before they can even walk and that process of learning and studying, including learning how to read, write and speak Hebrew (and often German also) is a lifelong and intensely important exercise. Non-Jewish Southerners, at least the ones for whom church is a big part of their lives, teach their kids about the life and teachings of Jesus and about the interplay between the Old Testament 'law' and what they refer to as Jesus' "Grace". But only the most bible-thumping, fire and brimstone, religiously intense zealot, a very few that is, emphasize religion to their children with anything near the intensity or with the zeal that the Jews do with theirs.

It seems to me that you're painting both with too broad and too narrow a brush. Too narrow because the traits that you're assigning to Southerners and Southern Baptists, i.e. lack of emphasis on learning and education, toys over books, etc.; I see these traits in lower-class whites everywhere. It's not limited to Southern Baptists and certainly not to the South. Too broad because for the upper-middle-class and upper-class southern whites that I know, even the ones whose kids attend church regularly, their kids are expected to get an education. And in a lot of places, they spend a great deal of money on getting it in private schools, because the public schools are nigger-run zoos. When their kid gets a "C", it's a BIG DEAL and will result in a parent-teacher conference to find out what the problem is. Remedial action will be found and taken. It just goes without saying that the kids are expected to get, at a minimum, a meaningful undergraduate degree if not a graduate degree. Yes, there are plenty of G.I. Joes and toys too. And I see this kind of upbringing in upper-middle class and upper-class whites everywhere as well.

With my own pre-teen boys, their mom and their grandmother insist on church -- yes, Southern Baptist. But there is no quicker way for them to lose computer/video game/bike/swimming priveleges than to come home with something less than a "B". They get cash and priveleges for As and Bs and for doing chores. They both love to have something to read when they're eating. It doesn't matter what it is and if there's nothing handy they read the cereal box. So I make it a habit of keeping a recent newspaper within easy reach of their place at the table. I was on a long road trip with them recently and one of them raised the question about the meaning of the word "phenomenon". That led to a discussion about the meanings of and the differences between the concepts of 'cause' and 'effect' and they made a 2-hour game out of thinking up 'phenomena' and identifying the cause and effect. That's how the people I know raise their kids, and they're not at all rare.

I know I always keep coming back to this, but I believe it: People in the South don't know what Jews are. After the bring-a-dish Sunday dinner at the Southern Baptist church, when the men group together away from the women (as they always do) and they start talking politics (as they always do) they start talking about the same things we talk about on VNN. The exact same things and in the exact same ways. But they never use the word "Jew" or "Jews". Instead, the descriptors they use are words like "liberals" and "pro-abortionists" and "socialists" and "communists" and "yankees" (I kid you not) and "Hollywood types" and "civil rights types". They are talking about Jews. They are talking about Jews, but they just don't know it. Their language isn't precise. Their thoughts are not precise. That's the fog, if you will, that they are in.

So, I said all that to say this: When you write off Southerners, even Southern Baptists, you're writing off some of the most natural allies to the pro-white cause that you could ask for. Perfect allies? No. But natural allies, yes. Allies to anything with the word "Nazi" in it, or bearing a swastika on it, no. But pro-white, yes. Probably more than in any other area of the country.

And just as an aside: Nobody, nobody in the South refers to themselves as a "Southron" unless they belong to some group like the Daughters/Sons of Confederate Veterans.

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I'll miss the point and name a similarity.

Minus maybe 10 or so points of IQ, in business the Southern Baptists are nearly identical to the jew. I grew up Catholic in a predominately Southern Baptist community. I'd about as soon live among jews.

S. Baptists are the slimiest businessmen on Earth. I think they may even eclipse the jew, because the jew may treat his fellow jew with some honor. Not the S. Baptist. They will cheat, steal, and lie, even to other S. Baptists.

Hell, Southern Baptists may well be the slimiest anything on Earth. I'd feel safer living among Hasidim.

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With my own pre-teen boys, their mom and their grandmother insist on church -- yes, Southern Baptist. But there is no quicker way for them to lose computer/video game/bike/swimming priveleges than to come home with something less than a "B". They get cash and priveleges for As and Bs and for doing chores. They both love to have something to read when they're eating. It doesn't matter what it is and if there's nothing handy they read the cereal box. So I make it a habit of keeping a recent newspaper within easy reach of their place at the table. I was on a long road trip with them recently and one of them raised the question about the meaning of the word "phenomenon". That led to a discussion about the meanings of and the differences between the concepts of 'cause' and 'effect' and they made a 2-hour game out of thinking up 'phenomena' and identifying the cause and effect. That's how the people I know raise their kids, and they're not at all rare.

I know I always keep coming back to this, but I believe it: People in the South don't know what Jews are. After the bring-a-dish Sunday dinner at the Southern Baptist church, when the men group together away from the women (as they always do) and they start talking politics (as they always do) they start talking about the same things we talk about on VNN. The exact same things and in the exact same ways. But they never use the word "Jew" or "Jews". Instead, the descriptors they use are words like "liberals" and "pro-abortionists" and "socialists" and "communists" and "yankees" (I kid you not) and "Hollywood types" and "civil rights types". They are talking about Jews. They are talking about Jews, but they just don't know it. Their language isn't precise. Their thoughts are not precise. That's the fog, if you will, that they are in.
Your Southern Baptist church friends can't and won't identify jews because they are....umm... Southern Baptists, not because their thoughts aren't precise. You can't teach little kids(as you have allowed your wife and mother-in-law to do) to think that their savior is a jew and jews are xtians brothers in Christ and then when they grow up expect them to identify jews as a major problem. It won't happen. You can't change the programming. A program that you have set in motion. So if that's the case then how can xtians be "natural allies" of WN's?

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Your Southern Baptist church friends can't and won't identify jews because they are....umm... Southern Baptists, not because their thoughts aren't precise. You can't teach little kids(as you have allowed your wife and mother-in-law to do) to think that their savior is a jew and jews are xtians brothers in Christ and then when they grow up expect them to identify jews as a major problem. It won't happen. You can't change the programming. A program that you have set in motion. So if that's the case then how can xtians be "natural allies" of WN's?
So that we're clear, I am not a Southern Baptist. I was made to go to church as a child and a teen by my parents and grandparents. Mostly Baptist, sometimes Methodist, depending on which one of them I went with on any particular Sunday. I swore that as soon as I got old enough to decide for myself, that I would never darken the doors of a church again. I only go now on Easter, Mothers Day and Christmas because if I don't I get such a massive guilt trip from all corners, but especially my mom, that it's just easier to go.

But in the churches I was made to go to as a kid and a teen, the idea that Jesus, while on earth was ethnically Jewish is treated almost as an aside. The concept of Jesus was taught as God -- or the son of God, taking on a human form -- that happened to be Jewish. Jesus was only a Jew while he was on earth and that he is of no ethnicity before then or since then. Southern Baptists today view jews as more of a religious group than an ethnic group. And the view, from the Southern Baptist perspective, is that Jews are damned because they have rejected Jesus; that it is the duty of Christians to Christianize them.

I'm not saying that these people are natural allies of White Nationalists. I'm not even sure I know precisely what that term means. What I am saying is that they are natural allies to pro whites. In the late 60s and early 70s, there were men stationed at the entrance to the church euphemistically called "ushers" whose function it was (in addition to taking ladies to their seats) to keep any niggers from coming into the church. Apparently there was some movement back then to try to inject a black person into a white church to see whether they would be allowed in. I feel sure it had something to do with the tax exempt status or the civil rights laws being tested. As recently as the mid 90s, a white woman with an out-of-wedlock half-black child was told that she was not welcome at that particular Baptist church with the child but that she could come without it. That caused an uproar in the black community to say the least and they were condemned far and wide. But they stuck to their guns.

To be sure, I wouldn't commend a Southern Baptist church to a young person any sooner than I would that they start smoking cigarettes. It just causes me some concern when the pro white movement, of which VNN is a part, starts writing off whole regions of the country and huge swaths of people who are white and who are pro white.

I see Christians sort of the way Christians see Jews: All the right ingredients are there, they're close . . . but not quite. We just need to work on them -- help them to get their minds right
 
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