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"Was" going to do the same thing?? What does that mean? I could say, "well, it looked to me like so-and-so was gonna do such-and-such." That means nothing. The whole nugget of the matter is this question: "would Miller have talked if not for Pierce?" In other words, would Miller have come forward on his own and said: "hey, Feds, guess what.."? That's the whole nugget. ----
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I don't have that answer and neither does Miller. The feds are not going to seriously tell Miller who ratted him out. Assuming anyone ratted him out at all. From that article I just scanned it looks like Miller probably incriminated himself in the whole ordeal. The only way anybody will probably get that answer is if either a. the snitch (not miller) admits it or b. the case files to the entire Order trial get opened. But Miller and everyone else blaming it on the entire Order is wrong.
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The article says what it says. I read it. I speak English. It says what it says. If that is true [shouldn't someone find out??, and, why wouldn't it be true -- did they just make that up?? If so, why??], then you owe Miller one hell of an apology, I would say. ----
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Ok so let me get this straight Miller was supposedly facing life for harboring a fugitive and accepting stolen money (sounds like a rather high amount or prison time for the crimes but whatever) and agrees to testify for the prosecution giving general information at best and get 3 years in prison and 3 years parole. I am sorry but you will never get me to believe that a man testifies with general information that was'nt damaging to the defense and gets a plea deal of 3 years when he was looking at life. Sorry there is more to that story that was apparently left out. No apparently Miller was preparing for his own little war in North Carolina according to that newspaper article I just read. I thought you guys said Miller was being legal? How can you condem the Order and in the same paragraph praise Miller when he was playing to do virtually the same thing the Order did.
C'mon Chris... prosecutors parade every single witness they can get their hands on in front of a jury... whether there is “damaging” testimony or not. Glenn Miller's testimony... in the matter regarding the Order ...was general at best. How could it be otherwise? He was not engaged in any “regular or routine” illegal activities with the Order. [/QUOTE] |
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I mean this right here. You guys claim Miller was legal but this article says otherwise. It looks to me like Miller incriminated himself...
Military Takeover Plotted During the five-day trial, testimony indicated that Glenn Miller's dream of a Southern homeland for white Christians had taken shape as a detailed nightmare: a planned military takeover of carefully selected counties in North Carolina. [See THE MONITOR, I, 2] Ironically, Miller plotted -- according to one witness -- to use members of the Christian Knights of the KKK, a rival group, as shock troops in his revolution. Throughout the trial, Currin and Dees maintained that the White Patriot Party (WPP) had disregarded the '85 consent decree and in fact ran a paramilitary operation with the goal of eventually establishing a white Christian republic in the South. James Holder, a member of the Confederate Knights until his conviction for murder of a fellow member in 1983, testified to the intent and extent of paramilitary training. He also testified to his recruitment of active duty Marines to the WPP, and to Glenn Miller's plans for revolution. According to Holder, Miller said privately, "The KKK is to unite and organize the masses of white people to rise up, train, cache weapons and overthrow the U.S. government." The most damning testimony against the Millers came from Robert Norman Jones, military-trained ordinance expert now in prison for receiving stolen government property. Jones stated that he obtained an arsenal of arms and explosives for the Confederate Knights and the WPP, and that he instructed members in their use. "Was" going to do the same thing?? What does that mean? I could say, "well, it looked to me like so-and-so was gonna do such-and-such." That means nothing. The whole nugget of the matter is this question: "would Miller have talked if not for Pierce?" In other words, would Miller have come forward on his own and said: "hey, Feds, guess what.."? That's the whole nugget. ----[/QUOTE] |
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Life in prison? Miller wasn't looking at life in prison. He was facing maybe 20 years tops. Can you answer my question? Would Miller have come forward on his own and "ratted" if not for B. Pierce? Please answer that before you go any further. It's an honest question. ---
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Did I claim that Miller was "legal?" When did I say that? I never even addressed that issue. And what would that have to do with the nugget of the matter? ----
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I'm not looking for Miller to answer these question I am looking for hardcore proof. Do you honestly think Miller is going to get on this forum and admit to everyone yes I am lying to all of you about everything. I mean get real I am not going to accpet the accused rat word as gold. I am not as gullible as some people.
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