The Celtic Cross, is it more than just a religious symbol?

COTW · February 27th, 2005

Here is an intriguing article pertaining to the Celtic Cross.

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I then went on to discover that this instrument was probably the basis of geometry, mathematics, ancient astronomy, map making and time keeping. That this instrument was used in combination with a detailed knowledge of astronomy and monthly star positions, ecliptic and zodiac observations so as to locate the position of any star at any time over a location on the earth's surface. Hence the saying "as in heaven so on earth".
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This instrument can tell the time, find latitude and longitude, measure the angles of the stars, predict the solstices and equinoxes and measure the precession of the equinoxes. The instrument can also find the ecliptic pole as well as the north and south poles, it can make maps and charts, design pyramids and henges and used in combination with these observers can record and predict the cycles of Nature and Time. The instrument is the machine of the Ancient Wise Ones that invented astrology and astronomy, it is also a religious icon hidden in the face of the public today.
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The author has discovered the remnants of a cross that was hidden by the House of Amen, in the Great Pyramid of Khufu at Giza. This amazing cross is capable of measuring angles to an accuracy of three arc minutes showing that the cross may be more important than the pyramid since the pyramid could not exist without the cross.

FranzJoseph · February 27th, 2005

I got Crichton Miller's book. It's good, but does everyone know where all this leads? Before Hitler, there was a whole batch of historians with ideas like this and it is strictly verbotten now that the other side won the war.

Miller's work reconstructing the Celtic Cross's origins is brilliant. Hitler's historians worked the other end, the Nordic pedigree of the pyramids, the most fun subject for Black History Month I can imagine now that it's almost over.

This whole topic can still get people in trouble in the wrong places. I mentioned on another thread (I just can't remember which) that Steven Spielberg, according to a persistent rumor, had to repent for the first Indiana Jones movie by making the Schindler flick. The reason is that in two places (the map room sequence and at the end) Raiders of the Lost Ark demonstrates an excellent grasp of some of what is now called paleophysics.

Paleophysics is the study of the science of the ancient world which includes the region we now call "Egypt". Before it was Egypt, it was part of something bigger with a type of technology that was high but non-intrusive, and worked from different root assumptions than our science does.

The reason not much has been written about this yet is because Hitler's SS also had a team of scientists working with different root assumptions than ours. It was run by Hans Kammler and some excellent information on it is in Nick Cook's Hunt for Zero Point.

Antiochus Epiphanes · February 28th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Cracker oftheWhip

Here is an intriguing article pertaining to the Celtic Cross.

patents are available for inventions so that people can make money off of them. it's un-Aryan to think that one could patent one of the greatest mandala - symbols of our kind for profit.

Antiochus Epiphanes · February 28th, 2005

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Originally Posted by FranzJoseph

I got Crichton Miller's book. It's good, but does everyone know where all this leads? Before Hitler, there was a whole batch of historians with ideas like this and it is strictly verbotten now that the other side won the war.

Miller's work reconstructing the Celtic Cross's origins is brilliant. Hitler's historians worked the other end, the Nordic pedigree of the pyramids, the most fun subject for Black History Month I can imagine now that it's almost over.

This whole topic can still get people in trouble in the wrong places. I mentioned on another thread (I just can't remember which) that Steven Spielberg, according to a persistent rumor, had to repent for the first Indiana Jones movie by making the Schindler flick. The reason is that in two places (the map room sequence and at the end) Raiders of the Lost Ark demonstrates an excellent grasp of some of what is now called paleophysics.

Paleophysics is the study of the science of the ancient world which includes the region we now call "Egypt". Before it was Egypt, it was part of something bigger with a type of technology that was high but non-intrusive, and worked from different root assumptions than our science does.

The reason not much has been written about this yet is because Hitler's SS also had a team of scientists working with different root assumptions than ours. It was run by Hans Kammler and some excellent information on it is in Nick Cook's Hunt for Zero Point.

interesting comments.

are you refering to the Ahnenehrbe? this book covers some stuff:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...475468-9776467

here is a new one we should get and review for VNN when it comes out:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...475468-9776467

Antiochus Epiphanes · February 28th, 2005

sorry I spelled that wrong

http://www.russianbooks.org/montsegur/ahnenerbe.htm

History/Profile: The Ancestral Heritage Research and Teaching Society, or Ahnenerbe Forschungs-und Lehrgemeinschaft, was founded in July 1935 by Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Wirth (a Dutch historian obsessed with Atlantean mythology), and Richard Walter Darré (creator of the Nazi "blood and soil" ideology and head of the Race and Settlement Office). There is some evidence that the Ahnenerbe existed as early as 1928, when Wirth established the "Hermann Wirth Society" for teaching and spreading his theories. Another candidate for precursor of the Ahnenerbe was a research institute for "spiritual prehistory" created by the German state of Mecklenburg in 1932, when the state was governed by the NSDAP.

The Ahnenerbe was created as a registered club as a private and non-profit organization. Funding for the Ahnenerbe primarily came through Darré and his position within the German Ministry of Agriculture, but this association ended around 1936, leaving Himmler in total control of the Ahnenerbe. The Ahnenerbe was not incorporated into the SS until April 1940, though even before this, all but one member of the academic and medical staff of the Ahnenerbe were at least honorary members of the SS and many held significant rank. Wolfram Sievers was Reichsgeschäftsführer, or Reich Manager, of the Ahnenerbe from 1935, and held the rank of SS-Obersturmführer since 1937, rising to the rank of SS-Standartenführer by the end of the war. There was an obvious link between the SS and the Ahnenerbe long before it became official in 1940.

The Ahnenerbe was part of Himmler's greater plan for the systematic creation of a "Germanic" culture that would replace Christianity in the Greater Germany to exist after the war, a kind of SS-religion that would form the basis of the new world order. This new culture would be based on the völkisch beliefs of the Nazis, and it was the role of the Ahnenerbe to marshal scientific research in an interdisciplinary program to reject the "priggish line of high-school professors" and support the "development of the Germanic heritage". While the Ahnenerbe were fervent Nazis and most of their research was based on racist pseudoscience, they rejected the occult thinking of groups like the Thule Gesellschaft, preferring a pragmatic methodology based on Mendelian genetics, Darwinism, and biology. Fundamentally, the Ahnenerbe was a politically-motivated academic association, albeit with enough funding to go beyond mere lectures and publications to include wide-scale expeditions and experimental research.

Himmler himself served as the "chairman of the Kuratorium" of the Ahnenerbe, and held the real power within the Ahnenerbe. As Reich Manager of the Ahnenerbe, Wolfram Sievers was responsible for all administrative tasks, with day-to-day business matters handled by the deputy "Kurator" Dr. Herrman Reischle. Professor Walter Wüst joined the Ahnenerbe in 1937 and, as trustee and "Kurator" of the organization, replaced Hermann Wirth as its intellectual leader. Wüst had been dean of the University of Munich, and his presence brought a number of reputable academics into the Ahnenerbe. The Ahnenerbe was funded by the Ahnenerbe-Stiftung, the German Forschungsgemeinschaft, member fees, and "from funds of the Reich and from contributions of industry" (including a group of financiers called the Circle of Friends led by Wilhelm Keppler). The budget of the Ahnenerbe was as much as over one million German marks (400,000 American dollars).

Besides financial support, enlistment in the Ahnenerbe was attractive as it placed scholars in the academic elite of Nazi Germany, gaining them the patronage (and sometimes unwelcome attention) of the Reichsführer-SS himself. This academic status did not travel beyond the borders of Nazi-controlled territory, as the Ahnenerbe were considered, even at that time, as a sort of "intellectual criminals". The Ahnenerbe could also be attractive to those seeking to avoid military service, as its work was considered "war essential".

A central function of the Ahnenerbe was the publication of materials as part of the effort to investigate and "revive" Germanic traditions. Before the war, the Ahnenerbe set up its own publishing house in the academic suburb Berlin-Dahlem, and went on to produce a monthly magazine (Germanien), two journals on genealogy (Zeitschrift für Namenforschung and Das Sippenzeichen), and countless monographs.

The Ahnenerbe had fifty different research branches named "Institutes", which carried out more than one hundred extensive research projects. Some of the institutes, particularly those responsible for Tibetan research and archaeological expeditions, could be quite large, but most made do with less than a dozen personnel. For example, the staff for experiments to make sea-water drinkable consisted of a supervisor, three medical chemists, one female assistant, and three non-commissioned officers. The two-year musicology project to study folk music in South Tyrol consisted of one Ahnenerbe researcher and eight local collaborators.

Linguistic study was at the forefront of Ahnenerbe activity. The first institute to be established specialized in the study of Norse runes (the symbol of the Ahnenerbe was the life rune). This institute was under the command of Hermann Wirth until he left the Ahnenerbe in 1937. In 1936, Wirth's successor, Professor Wüst, headed up another institute for broader research in linguistics, where great attention was paid to Sanskrit (Wüst's area-of-expertise) and the connection of the language to the Aryans.

FranzJoseph · March 1st, 2005

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Originally Posted by Antiochus Epiphanes

patents are available for inventions so that people can make money off of them. it's un-Aryan to think that one could patent one of the greatest mandala - symbols of our kind for profit.

Miller's purpose for applying for & getting the patent was mostly to prove his point. Sometimes it's the only way to get people's attention. Seems to have worked. I doubt his motives were avaricious. He was a man obsessed with an idea and shared it any way he could, or at least that's how he comes off in the book.

FranzJoseph · March 1st, 2005

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Originally Posted by Antiochus Epiphanes

are you refering to the Ahnenehrbe?

The Kammlerstab. Kammler was a full SS General and had skunk works and brain trusts all over the place, and a remarkable free had in running them. I have no doubt he was in touch with the Ahnenerbe but his main thing (officially) was disguising operational facilities to look like something they weren't. For instance Auschwitz was supposed to be a synthetic rubber factory that never produced any. Evidence exists that Kammler was in fact using sythetic rubber as cover, and that at least for awhile there was a heavy water facility there, for the German nuclear bomb.

Unofficially (and in reality) he produced (or reproduced) what many think was a working antigravity system and another project that sounds like a smaller version of the US Philadelphia Experiment. Cook says flat-out they were working on time travel. Kammler's team also built a Stonehenge-like structure that still stands in Poland, still gives off high level background radiation, but not even professional engineers can figure out what the hell it was used for.

Kammler disappeared in 1945 and was never accounted for.

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Originally Posted by Antiochus Epiphanes

here is a new one we should get and review for VNN when it comes out:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...475468-9776467

Looks like a goodie!

FranzJoseph · March 2nd, 2005

Disinformation of some sort. For certain John von Neuman was in on it and his specialty don't rule out parts of the official rumor. I'm inclined to believe they were working the fringe areas of the British Navy's DAZZLE program, which was disguising the ships' size/speed/type by various masquerades from electronic to eclectic paint jobs (the Brits swore they could paint wavy lines on their submarine hulls and make it almost impossible for the Germans to target them.)

The disinformation in my mind comes from the time-bending and all that, because von Neuman most likely was just competing with the Brits for a better strategem using his knowledge and a hell of a lot of power. Something went wrong and the Legend was cooked up to discourage rational inquiry, which in my mind has been a howling success.

Kammler's bunch appear to have applied the same sort of EM pulse technique to smaller, airborne objects and achieved better results, however briefly. Descriptions of "foo fighters" do indeed say they darted in and out of view and did impossible banks and turns, the sort of thing DAZZLE programs are supposed to deliver.

February 27th, 2005	#2
FranzJoseph Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northern Ohio Posts: 1,932	I got Crichton Miller's book. It's good, but does everyone know where all this leads? Before Hitler, there was a whole batch of historians with ideas like this and it is strictly verbotten now that the other side won the war. Miller's work reconstructing the Celtic Cross's origins is brilliant. Hitler's historians worked the other end, the Nordic pedigree of the pyramids, the most fun subject for Black History Month I can imagine now that it's almost over. This whole topic can still get people in trouble in the wrong places. I mentioned on another thread (I just can't remember which) that Steven Spielberg, according to a persistent rumor, had to repent for the first Indiana Jones movie by making the Schindler flick. The reason is that in two places (the map room sequence and at the end) Raiders of the Lost Ark demonstrates an excellent grasp of some of what is now called paleophysics. Paleophysics is the study of the science of the ancient world which includes the region we now call "Egypt". Before it was Egypt, it was part of something bigger with a type of technology that was high but non-intrusive, and worked from different root assumptions than our science does. The reason not much has been written about this yet is because Hitler's SS also had a team of scientists working with different root assumptions than ours. It was run by Hans Kammler and some excellent information on it is in Nick Cook's Hunt for Zero Point. __________________ “Gentiles will stop telling truths about Jews when Jews stop telling lies about Gentiles.” -- German Holocaustianity Resister.

February 28th, 2005	#5
Antiochus Epiphanes Ἀντίοχος Ἐπιφανὴς Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: flyover Posts: 13,132	Wiesthor speaketh sorry I spelled that wrong http://www.russianbooks.org/montsegur/ahnenerbe.htm History/Profile: The Ancestral Heritage Research and Teaching Society, or Ahnenerbe Forschungs-und Lehrgemeinschaft, was founded in July 1935 by Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Wirth (a Dutch historian obsessed with Atlantean mythology), and Richard Walter Darré (creator of the Nazi "blood and soil" ideology and head of the Race and Settlement Office). There is some evidence that the Ahnenerbe existed as early as 1928, when Wirth established the "Hermann Wirth Society" for teaching and spreading his theories. Another candidate for precursor of the Ahnenerbe was a research institute for "spiritual prehistory" created by the German state of Mecklenburg in 1932, when the state was governed by the NSDAP. The Ahnenerbe was created as a registered club as a private and non-profit organization. Funding for the Ahnenerbe primarily came through Darré and his position within the German Ministry of Agriculture, but this association ended around 1936, leaving Himmler in total control of the Ahnenerbe. The Ahnenerbe was not incorporated into the SS until April 1940, though even before this, all but one member of the academic and medical staff of the Ahnenerbe were at least honorary members of the SS and many held significant rank. Wolfram Sievers was Reichsgeschäftsführer, or Reich Manager, of the Ahnenerbe from 1935, and held the rank of SS-Obersturmführer since 1937, rising to the rank of SS-Standartenführer by the end of the war. There was an obvious link between the SS and the Ahnenerbe long before it became official in 1940. The Ahnenerbe was part of Himmler's greater plan for the systematic creation of a "Germanic" culture that would replace Christianity in the Greater Germany to exist after the war, a kind of SS-religion that would form the basis of the new world order. This new culture would be based on the völkisch beliefs of the Nazis, and it was the role of the Ahnenerbe to marshal scientific research in an interdisciplinary program to reject the "priggish line of high-school professors" and support the "development of the Germanic heritage". While the Ahnenerbe were fervent Nazis and most of their research was based on racist pseudoscience, they rejected the occult thinking of groups like the Thule Gesellschaft, preferring a pragmatic methodology based on Mendelian genetics, Darwinism, and biology. Fundamentally, the Ahnenerbe was a politically-motivated academic association, albeit with enough funding to go beyond mere lectures and publications to include wide-scale expeditions and experimental research. Himmler himself served as the "chairman of the Kuratorium" of the Ahnenerbe, and held the real power within the Ahnenerbe. As Reich Manager of the Ahnenerbe, Wolfram Sievers was responsible for all administrative tasks, with day-to-day business matters handled by the deputy "Kurator" Dr. Herrman Reischle. Professor Walter Wüst joined the Ahnenerbe in 1937 and, as trustee and "Kurator" of the organization, replaced Hermann Wirth as its intellectual leader. Wüst had been dean of the University of Munich, and his presence brought a number of reputable academics into the Ahnenerbe. The Ahnenerbe was funded by the Ahnenerbe-Stiftung, the German Forschungsgemeinschaft, member fees, and "from funds of the Reich and from contributions of industry" (including a group of financiers called the Circle of Friends led by Wilhelm Keppler). The budget of the Ahnenerbe was as much as over one million German marks (400,000 American dollars). Besides financial support, enlistment in the Ahnenerbe was attractive as it placed scholars in the academic elite of Nazi Germany, gaining them the patronage (and sometimes unwelcome attention) of the Reichsführer-SS himself. This academic status did not travel beyond the borders of Nazi-controlled territory, as the Ahnenerbe were considered, even at that time, as a sort of "intellectual criminals". The Ahnenerbe could also be attractive to those seeking to avoid military service, as its work was considered "war essential". A central function of the Ahnenerbe was the publication of materials as part of the effort to investigate and "revive" Germanic traditions. Before the war, the Ahnenerbe set up its own publishing house in the academic suburb Berlin-Dahlem, and went on to produce a monthly magazine (Germanien), two journals on genealogy (Zeitschrift für Namenforschung and Das Sippenzeichen), and countless monographs. The Ahnenerbe had fifty different research branches named "Institutes", which carried out more than one hundred extensive research projects. Some of the institutes, particularly those responsible for Tibetan research and archaeological expeditions, could be quite large, but most made do with less than a dozen personnel. For example, the staff for experiments to make sea-water drinkable consisted of a supervisor, three medical chemists, one female assistant, and three non-commissioned officers. The two-year musicology project to study folk music in South Tyrol consisted of one Ahnenerbe researcher and eight local collaborators. Linguistic study was at the forefront of Ahnenerbe activity. The first institute to be established specialized in the study of Norse runes (the symbol of the Ahnenerbe was the life rune). This institute was under the command of Hermann Wirth until he left the Ahnenerbe in 1937. In 1936, Wirth's successor, Professor Wüst, headed up another institute for broader research in linguistics, where great attention was paid to Sanskrit (Wüst's area-of-expertise) and the connection of the language to the Aryans.

March 2nd, 2005	#8
FranzJoseph Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northern Ohio Posts: 1,932	Disinformation of some sort. For certain John von Neuman was in on it and his specialty don't rule out parts of the official rumor. I'm inclined to believe they were working the fringe areas of the British Navy's DAZZLE program, which was disguising the ships' size/speed/type by various masquerades from electronic to eclectic paint jobs (the Brits swore they could paint wavy lines on their submarine hulls and make it almost impossible for the Germans to target them.) The disinformation in my mind comes from the time-bending and all that, because von Neuman most likely was just competing with the Brits for a better strategem using his knowledge and a hell of a lot of power. Something went wrong and the Legend was cooked up to discourage rational inquiry, which in my mind has been a howling success. Kammler's bunch appear to have applied the same sort of EM pulse technique to smaller, airborne objects and achieved better results, however briefly. Descriptions of "foo fighters" do indeed say they darted in and out of view and did impossible banks and turns, the sort of thing DAZZLE programs are supposed to deliver. __________________ “Gentiles will stop telling truths about Jews when Jews stop telling lies about Gentiles.” -- German Holocaustianity Resister.

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