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Old March 16th, 2009 #1
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Default White Nationalist "leaders" need to get off the tit

I have come to the conclusion that in just about every case that I know, there is and was no reason for White Nationalist leaders to not go out and get a job to help support themselves.

With the exception of Dr Pierce who really ran the National Alliance, and was an elderly man and Tom Metzger, who worked as a TV repairman, most if not all of the White Nationalist leaders we know of have a problem with expecting to be supported by donations.

If they had larger memberships or if they were actually putting out more I would understand, but people like Strom, Gliebe and others ( you know who I am talking about) could have done their activism after work if they just were willing to work as hard as the rest of us.

Personally, I am tired of supporting lazy losers.
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April,

What do you mean by, "Shoot the Gap?" I take it this is something from old Wild West folklore.

I agree with you regarding White nationalist leaders. European-Americans United board members all support themselves. Yearly dues are 60 and the use of these monies is all transparently accounted for. Nobody's making a living off of EAU.

You have to remember, though, that speaking out can hurt one's employment prospects. So there is some truth to the idea that we need to financially support our most outspoken comrades, IF they are getting good results.

Further, I think the WN movement should focus on running businesses like any market dominant minority. Our best strategy would be to imitate the Hindus who own all the gas stations/convenient stores, or some such thing. We need to make so much money that they can no longer use "economic sanctions" against those of us who speak out. That's how the jews took care of jewish communists who were working towards the destruction of White America.

I think if someone is doing a really good job of speaking out and helping our cause, such as James Edwards, they can solicit donations and those who choose to donate, do so. I am quite willing to donate to James Edwards and subscribe to his radio show.
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Old March 16th, 2009 #3
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Old March 16th, 2009 #4
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I gotta j-o-b!
Yeah you do Scott. Believe me, April wasn't talking about you. You do more for the Cause than anyone I know, and you are totally selfless.
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Old March 16th, 2009 #5
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Yeah one too many of these "Leaders" refuse to work.... They think that someone should pay them to be them.

In the words of Dietrich....."get a job you sparkling wiggles"

What kind of message are you sending not working?
 
Old March 16th, 2009 #6
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Perhaps some "leaders" are simply businessman who view the movement as "niche marketing". Though I don't know how much the various groups rake in, I can't imagine that they lead a luxurious lifestyle from donations. William Pierce led the richest WN group in recent time and much of the money came from sales of his books. Butler earned money through patents, which went into his compound. Don't know much about the rest.

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Old March 16th, 2009 #7
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What do you mean by, "Shoot the Gap?" I take it this is something from old Wild West folklore.
I think she means that if we wait to long to head to the Northwest that we'll have to shoot our way through the gap between here and there due to a variety of reasons if we should decide to make the journey after the collapse or clamp down.
 
Old March 16th, 2009 #8
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What White Nationalist leaders ??? There ain't no White Nationalist leaders ?? Leaders don't push anonymous net-warriors while squatting on stools. Leaders lead real live white men while marching in the streets.
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What White Nationalist leaders ??? There ain't no White Nationalist leaders ?? Leaders don't push anonymous net-warriors while squatting on stools. Leaders lead real live white men while marching in the streets.
First of all I agree with Glenn on this.

But I'll also chime in that I don't mind paying dues that go to a salary as long as the leader earns it. In other words what have you done with those dues, what have you accomplished or at least tried to accomplish.

Recently someone on here posted how much the IHR took in recent years the total was 2 million I believe. This after they no longer hold conferences or print a Journal, so where did it go? Let me add I have no insight in their money raising so if that info is incorrect than I apologize.

David Duke is a good example of someone who has accomplished a lot over the years. The most successful WN candidate for office, holding mass meetings and some demo's (though sadly not lately), establishing ties with the Arab world and European racialists, and running a damn good website all while publishing writings and books.

A good example of how money and the "movement" should work is VNN's newspaper project where every penny is accounted for.
 
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Hey I know about the job loss thing. It has actually happened to our family recently and it has happened to me before due to someone where I worked being upset about me working there and making a fuss. But as well known as I am I still can get a job. It might not be a really flashy high profile job, but a job, none the less that brings in some money.

Most of the guys I am talking about are not even as well known as I am and they still are not working.

Most of the "leaders" I see doing their internet thingy and really what they accomplish could be accomplished easily in their off hours. I dont mind helping them out either, but too many of them are living the high life off of our hard earned pay.

Take Gliebe for instance. I have it from people VERY close to him that he just drives around all day, to the post office, and paying bills in person rather than mailing them. He is continually " running errands" and spends about 45 minutes a week writing racial stuff. Why should he be supported for that?
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I think she means that if we wait to long to head to the Northwest that we'll have to shoot our way through the gap between here and there due to a variety of reasons if we should decide to make the journey after the collapse or clamp down.
Yes "Shoot the Gap" is a reference to the Northwest novel's by Covington. It means that you should come now before it is too dangerous to travel here.
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Old March 16th, 2009 #12
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What White Nationalist leaders ??? There ain't no White Nationalist leaders ?? Leaders don't push anonymous net-warriors while squatting on stools. Leaders lead real live white men while marching in the streets.
EXACTLY!

My very first reaction to this thread!

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Old March 17th, 2009 #13
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Although I understand your point and though I am swayed by your examples of WN leaders on the “tit”, I also recognize that creating first quality prose is a challenging process. Both the conception and subsequent articulation of good propaganda requires free time. Just how much free time is hard to say, but when I think of how compelling Pierce’s broadcasts were, I recognize that I would be willing to make a meager tithe to someone who could speak with such clarity and such power.

Gliebe is not an inspiring writer or thinker. Strom had energy by he lacked the discipline to keep abreast of topical issues and synthesize current events with the imperatives of racist philosophy. Pierce did these things and he only could do them because National Alliance was truly his full time job.

So I guess I tentatively agree with your examples. But I also believe that dedicated and capable people deserve support.
 
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Pierce was a producer, Weekly ADV's, Books, Reports, he was consumed on how to reach our people. Ron is right about Mark Weber, he is consumed about how much money he can rip off from patriots and revisionists while doing NOTHING!
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Old March 17th, 2009 #15
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I have come to the conclusion that in just about every case that I know, there is and was no reason for White Nationalist leaders to not go out and get a job to help support themselves.

With the exception of Dr Pierce who really ran the National Alliance, and was an elderly man and Tom Metzger, who worked as a TV repairman, most if not all of the White Nationalist leaders we know of have a problem with expecting to be supported by donations.

If they had larger memberships or if they were actually putting out more I would understand, but people like Strom, Gliebe and others ( you know who I am talking about) could have done their activism after work if they just were willing to work as hard as the rest of us.

Personally, I am tired of supporting lazy losers.
Hell, judging from the posts that I have read, you would criticize them if they didn't meet your unrealistic wage standard. This is clearly a female thing, where a man that doesn't have to work, must work. If Linder wasn't sick, and he worked as a cashier at a grocery store you would judge him for that. Don't say you wouldn't, because you judged a lemming for doing just the same thing in a post recently. Hell, wherever these WN leaders worked you would quiz them on Jew related issues and if the answer was suspect; it would give you only the more reason to ripoff their merchandise. I have heard the stories.

Women are the most critical creatures on the topic of money. A better question is, besides Linder that pays to keep this forum/site running, where does Don Black or Hal Turner spend their money? I would doubt that it is solely on their websites.
 
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Hell, judging from the posts that I have read, you would criticize them if they didn't meet your unrealistic wage standard. This is clearly a female thing, where a man that doesn't have to work, must work.
The only reason the men in question would NOT have to work to support themselves would be because they were able to convince enough of us to send them our hard earned wages.

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If Linder wasn't sick, and he worked as a cashier at a grocery store you would judge him for that.
Only if he said dumb things like " I love Jews"

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Don't say you wouldn't, because you judged a lemming for doing just the same thing in a post recently.
I judged the guy harshly because he said he "loved Jews" and got all upset because I explained what Kosher meant to the lady in front of my buying Kosher salt.


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Women are the most critical creatures on the topic of money. A better question is, besides Linder that pays to keep this forum/site running, where does Don Black or Hal Turner spend their money? I would doubt that it is solely on their websites.
Maybe women are more practical. Most of us consider feeding and caring for our children first and so we know that we need to be able to do that.
I don't know where Don and Hal spend their money, I have certainly never given them any myself. But if you want to carry on paying for these guys to have plastic surgery and live a life of leisure then knock yourself out.
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Old March 18th, 2009 #17
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If someone were to ask me "Who is the leader of American White Nationalism"?, I would be hard-pressed to give them an answer.

David Duke would be the best known WN in America by far, I would assume.

I think there are people in the White Nationalist movement who deserve financial support to help them accomplish their goals. I just sent a donation to the guys over at VOR myself.

There are also obvious con-men operating as well.

It is up to the individual to decide for themselves who is which.
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Since you all are in such a giving mood. Just send me all of your money for the McKinley retirement fund.

I will assure you that your dona*tions will be spent in a responsible fashion
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Old March 18th, 2009 #19
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Rocky Sudahya who leads the American Nazi Party is a blue-collared worker not living on the tit. Jeff Schoep of the National Socialist Movement is living off the tit.
 
Old March 18th, 2009 #20
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April,

You make very interesting points about people.....Shall I ask you this ?
These "people" very "close" to Erich Gliebe are making some pretty drastic accusations that he does everything within 45 to prepare the National Alliance Bulletin, as well as the Radio Broadcast....I find this rather interesting seeing is that DR. Pierce spent days preparing the shows as well as written material. These "people" close, or as you put it, "very close", either don't know him all that well or have something against him. To my knowledge there would only be one source directing "her" hatred toward Erich and we both know who that is..Since we are talking here in an open forum the only thing I will say on here is that this "informant" also has hired a jew attorney.....I think we both know who we are talking about....If this RACE TRAITOR WOULD GO OUT OF HER WAY TO HIRE A JEW LAWYER, THEN HOW CAN SHE BE TRUSTED....April, you don't know me, and I obviously do not know you, but you are listening to race traitors who just want to spew forth rubbish about people they once had a "relationship" with .....there is so much more I can tell you, let me know if you are interested in listening instead of talking about situations that you are unaware of. You would be shocked...I only know of you because of your activism that I read about years ago in the NA bulletins and I am impressed with your loyalty, but you are being given the wrong information. I would be happy to talk to you....

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