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Old September 24th, 2004 #1
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The article goes against the grain on VNN, but I thought it would be an interesting discussion topic. I don't necessarily agree with the entire article but I think there are some valid points. For example, VNN identifies the enemy or target, but would the message be effective if there ceases to be a target?

http://home.ddc.net/ygg/rj/rj-19.htm

Jews, Intermarriage and Change

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In fact _some_ Jews are every bit as aggressive and hostile toward whites as blacks. Although they do not engage in criminal violence, they do display block voting characteristics. 80% for Clinton, for example. As you mention, their cultural aggression against Christianity and non-Jewish whites has also been rather extreme.

I might also add, for the record, that I do not buy the argument that communist slaughters in the first half of the 20th century were non-racial. I firmly believe that they were racially motivated. - But of course, if you are a small minority you will not want to slaughter your entire host, and you will be scrupulously careful to conceal your racial motives behind universalisms like "equality".

But having said all that, I feel that we must look in the windshield at what is ahead, rather than looking in the rear view mirror at what is past.

We should not attack Jews as a group because of their past aggressions. The reason is simple.

As a group they are changing very rapidly. We should let that happen. We should not slow down that process by forcing them to circle the wagons in defense against us. We have nothing to gain by doing that.

Edgar Bronfman (Seagrams - Chairman of the AJC) wrote in the Wall Street Journal last week that the Jewish rate of intermarriage has now reached _70%_.

No, that is not a typo - 70%.

Neoconservative Jews are defenders of Western Civilization and would be welcome in a European-American nation.

Howard Stern, the redneck Jew, is emblematic of an even more significant movement of Jews out of the psychological ghetto of fear, and into mainstream European-American popular culture. When Howard Stern berates blacks, he is not overcome by fear that turning his goyish audience against blacks might lead to discrimination against Jews as well. Forty years ago that would have been an automatic reaction among all Jews. Today, that fear seems as implausible to most Jews as would a fear that stirring up anti-black sentiment would lead inexorably to discrimination against the Irish.

Jews in the Howard Stern/Andrew Dice Clay mold do not consider themselves threatened by other whites. Psychologically they feel that they _are_ whites, and I see no reason to try to change their minds.

Put baldly, before you attack the Jews, you must answer the question - "Which Jews?"

And, of course, if you answer that question honestly, you will have to admit that the Jews that upset you are a moving and rapidly shrinking target. Let us wait and see what becomes of them! Pointing out the destructiveness of jewish politics and jewish hostility to Christianity is one thing, but ethnic based attacks based on the assumption that jewish hostility toward Whites is an immutable _racial_ characteristic seems silly.

First, as Bronfman argues, the race is disappearing. Second, if we fall into the trap of assuming that obnoxious jewish political views and hostility toward Christianity are immutable _racial_ characteristics then it is certain that our adversaries will argue that White Nationalists might spot similar flaws in other Euro-American ethnic groups, thereby disqualifying them from inclusion in the White Nation.

Stay off that slippery slope, comrades!

With modern databases and information sources, we can easily identify and deal with the offending individuals when the time comes.

The trend is your friend!
 
Old September 24th, 2004 #2
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What we're left with is that those who identify as jews are overwhelmingly a destructive influence as either anti-Western leftists or as zionists. The nature of the problem is to identify this phenomenon without engaging in too much Talmudic hair-splitting, if you'll excuse the expression. One thing that stands out from the above essay is the favorable reference to neoconservatism. Given what we now know about the pernicious nature of neoconservatism I can only assume this was written some time ago. It is telling that a development that many mainstream conservatives initially looked upon favorably-the emergence of neoconservatism- turned out to be just another malevolent jewish congame.
 
Old September 24th, 2004 #3
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What we're left with is that those who identify as jews are overwhelmingly a destructive influence as either anti-Western leftists or as zionists. The nature of the problem is to identify this phenomenon without engaging in too much Talmudic hair-splitting, if you'll excuse the expression. One thing that stands out from the above essay is the favorable reference to neoconservatism. Given what we now know about the pernicious nature of neoconservatism I can only assume this was written some time ago. It is telling that a development that many mainstream conservatives initially looked upon favorably-the emergence of neoconservatism- turned out to be just another malevolent jewish congame.
Howard Stern as a redneck? He's actually a whore of Babylon jew who is there to turn redneck boys into dirty, slimey consumers of jew porn, zionism, etc.
 
Old September 24th, 2004 #4
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jews can slough off many a jew and bounce back. look at ww2.

camp of the saints touches on this theme in a roundabout way.

we need to fight the jew as people, yes, but there is also the issue of jewish ideas, and they need to be either adapted, contained, eliminated, etc, as the need may arise to suit our own existence and survival. so their is jews as a physical threat and jew ideas as a persistent cultural threat.

both need to be addressed.
 
Old September 24th, 2004 #5
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Stern and Clay are a bit of a sidenote. Clay is a no-talent. While Stern has scat-humor I found some of his views interesting, and sometimes his act can be quite funny.

Aside from that, the neocons were intrumental in our war with Iraq, although I believe Bush was looking for any excuse to avenge his father.

The main point is the 70 percent of Jews that are marrying (I assume) mostly whites and that the Jews are small part of the population to begin with. Also Jews tend to be (some more than others) similar in biology to Aryans to begin with, along with high IQ. I live in Metro DC which is the mud capital, also. I know one Jewess who is married to a friend of mine, but other than that I can hardly remember ANYONE I came across in my travels that stood out "that's a Jew".

I can understand the Jewish question being the main thrust of VNN, but if the intermarriage statistic is correct is probably a little late (and possibly irrelevant) to attempt to deal with it now.
 
Old September 24th, 2004 #6
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It is true that jew seem to be fading away as a distinguishable group, but what remains of "Western Civilization" is disappearing even faster. It's as if with their "project" essentially complete the jews have recognized they are now superfluous and are passing into history-at least outside the middle east context. But one can overemphasize the biological aspect of jewishness. Even Hitler, in the Table Talk, states that speaking of the jews as a "race" was merely "a matter of convenience" and "that properly speaking there is no such thing". So Hitler is conceding here that jewishness is primarily as a cultural and social phenomenon. If absolute numbers are necessary a little bit of recruiting can be done among the Aryans. Also look at the success the LIkudniks have had in bringing in the Christian Right as their political shock troops in the heart of the sole remaining superpower.
 
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It is true that jew seem to be fading away as a distinguishable group, but what remains of "Western Civilization" is disappearing even faster. It's as if with their "project" essentially complete the jews have recognized they are now superfluous and are passing into history-at least outside the middle east context. But one can overemphasize the biological aspect of jewishness. Even Hitler, in the Table Talk, states that speaking of the jews as a "race" was merely "a matter of convenience" and "that properly speaking there is no such thing". So Hitler is conceding here that jewishness is primarily as a cultural and social phenomenon. If absolute numbers are necessary a little bit of recruiting can be done among the Aryans. Also look at the success the LIkudniks have had in bringing in the Christian Right as their political shock troops in the heart of the sole remaining superpower.

Very good point. Genetics are an influence, not absolute determinism. Genes are half the story.



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Old September 25th, 2004 #8
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If one wants their message to be effective then you have to consider how that message plays to the white masses, not just VNN Forum members, who are a small subset of the WN Movement, who are small subset of the white population.

If one or two generations of Jew intermarriage transforms what’s left of Jews into something indistinguishable from other Aryans, then the message will fall on deaf ears.

 
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You are dead wrong. The jews aren't going away. They whine this old whine repeatedly. Almost all of the part-jews give loyalty to good old Dad's selfish tribe. They know they can't technically belong but they claim kinship and common interests. As the male jews breed with deracinated Aryan women they create jew-loving white mischlings; the jewesses continue to breed 100% jews, also loyal to Kikery. They increase at our expense.
The same is true for niggers. Nigger bitches continue to breed niggers and predatory bucks get yellow mulatto niggers off stupid white women.

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If one wants their message to be effective then you have to consider how that message plays to the white masses, not just VNN Forum members, who are a small subset of the WN Movement, who are small subset of the white population.

If one or two generations of Jew intermarriage transforms what’s left of Jews into something indistinguishable from other Aryans, then the message will fall on deaf ears.

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Old September 25th, 2004 #10
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You are dead wrong. The jews aren't going away. They whine this old whine repeatedly. Almost all of the part-jews give loyalty to good old Dad's selfish tribe. They know they can't technically belong but they claim kinship and common interests. As the male jews breed with deracinated Aryan women they create jew-loving white mischlings; the jewesses continue to breed 100% jews, also loyal to Kikery. They increase at our expense.
The same is true for niggers. Nigger bitches continue to breed niggers and predatory bucks get yellow mulatto niggers off stupid white women.
They most effective time to fight the Jew would have been in the last century, primarily in the 1960's, which is something whites failed to do.

Not valid to compare mulatto's to individuals with some Jewish admixture. Nigger genes are dominant over whites by a factor of 4 to 1, so a mulatto is just another nigger but with slight caucasion features. They are still much alien to whites. Another problem with mulatto's is dumbing down of white genetics. This isn't a factor when considering Jewish admixture.

I think this demographic change can be viewed with optimism. I don't see evidence of whites (as a whole) becoming "jew-aware". In fact, many whites love Jew movies and TV shows, just look at the popularity of these grotesque TV reality shows.

Some of the Jew's antipathy towards whites is an envy and coveting of Aryan physical attributes. With half or quarter Jews this is much of a factor, either.




I agree with Yggdrasil's assessment of not forcing these individuals to "circle the wagons". Better to let them to relate to and embrace white culture and break away from the tribe.

Worse thing that can happen is VNN might have to find a different cause celeb.
 
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