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Old August 2nd, 2008 #953
Roberto Muehlenkamp
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In my post # 916 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=916 , I responded to a number of questions that bitching fish-wife Gerdes was making a big bloody fuss about. Each answer was introduced with an assessment of what relevance a given question or group of questions had (most of them have little if any relevance within the context of the NAFCASH challenge, not to mention within the context of proving the mass murder that happened at Sobibor) before I provided the answer proper according to the present status of my knowledge.

How did miserable coward Gerdes react to these answers?

One part of his reaction was his hysterical howling in posts # 937 and # 938, which I shall have fun with later.

The other, which is the subject of this post, was going to the CODOH "Revisionist" Cesspit (where, as the coward knows, I am not allowed to post ) and, on the thread he opened there under http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5059 , whine about me a little more to his bird-of-a-feather Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis, a close match of Gerdes as concerns mendacity, cowardice, obnoxiousness and plain stupidity.

Previous conversations between these two showpieces of "Revisionist" scum and other enlightened spirits (including one who is a bit more intelligent than the rest and therefore stands out among the herd of imbeciles like a one-eyed among the blind, Mr. Laurentz Dahl) have been commented in my articles on the HC blog under the following links:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...challenge.html

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...llenge_28.html

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...enge_4802.html

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...llenge_29.html

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...llenge_30.html

The latest CODOH posts of Gerdes and "Hannover" Hargis will be the subject of another update on the HC blog, which will have a link to the present post.

Here we go:

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Originally Posted by Gerdes in CODOH post of Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:49 pm
The dullest of the dull has proven the existence of the "huge mass graves of Sobibor!

Originally Posted by Gerdes
1 - Tell us on what dates her partner shermer was physically in the Sobibor camp.

2 - Show us photographs that prove he was in said camps on said dates.

*1. Shermer is not my "partner", however desperate poor Gerdes is to make him into that.

*2. I don’t know if Shermer was physically in Sobibor camp and if there are any photos showing him there, and I couldn’t care less.

Originally Posted by Gerdes
3 - Tell us on what dates her other partner Kola was physically in the Sobibor camp.

4 - Show us photographs that prove he was in said camp on said dates.

5 - Show us photographs of Kola excavating the alleged graves.

6 - Show us photographs proving that said graves actually exist.

*1. Prof. Kola is not my "partner", however desperate poor Gerdes is to make him into that. He is, if anything, a potential source of information.

*2. The dates on which Prof. Kola conducted his investigations at Sobibor in 2001 must have been prior to the Reuters press release of 23 November 2001:

No photos of Prof. Kola in person doing excavation work have to my knowledge been published. However, I have been informed by the director of the Sobibor Archaeology Project, Mr. Yoram Haimi, that the photos shown under http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...nia/index.html are related to Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation in 2001.

*3. While no photographs are required to prove that the mass graves actually exist, the three photographs from the above-mentioned series obviously show substances taken with a core drill out of Sobibor mass graves, which are clearly distinguishable from the light brown soil of Sobibor.

The light gray substance on the first two photos must be ashes of human bone and tissue.

The black substance on the second photo must be wood ash.

The white substance on the third photo must be either bone ash or lime.

My assumptions regarding the nature of these substances are supported by

a) their aspect
b) their context (Prof. Kola’s investigation in 2001, the essential result of which was finding the mass graves) , and
c) the absence of any alternative theory (at least Gerdes has provided none) as to what these substances might be.

Originally Posted by Gerdes
7 - Tell us what Polish government entity that commissioned Kola's "work."

*In 2000-2001 the proper archeological research was initiated by professor Andrzej Kola's team from the Nicolaus Copernicus University in Toruń, commissioned by the Council for Protection of Memory of the Battle and Martyrdom in Warsaw (Kola 2000, 2001).

Originally Posted by Gerdes
8 - Tell us what the results were of the analysis of those soil core samples that she claims are: "ashes of human bone and tissue for the light gray stuff, wood ashes for the black stuff and pure bone ashes or lime for the white stuff."

*I am not familiar at this moment with the results of such analysis, which have not been published. However, it seems reasonable to assume that if such analysis was done – which is probably the case – , the results confirmed my assumptions mentioned in answer B.3 above.

Originally Posted by Gerdes
9 - Show us proof that the "huge ash mountain" of Sobibor is actually comprised of human ash.

*All captioned photos showing this mound of ash, while not necessarily if at all describing it as "huge" or as a "mountain", refer to it as being made up of or containing human ash. Photos of this mound include, without limitation, the photos shown under item IV.2.3 in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 and those shown under the following links:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...obibor039.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...obibor040.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...obibor043.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...obibor082.html

The aspect of the substance that the mound consists of, which has a light gray coloration different from the light-brown color of the soil at Sobibor (see photos mentioned in answer B.3 above) suggests the accuracy of captions describing this mound as a mound consisting of or containing human ashes.

So does the associated documentary and eyewitness evidence proving that Sobibor was an extermination camp and that the bodies of the victims were disposed of by burning them, which is mentioned in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 .

The conclusion that the mound in question is comprised of human ash is thus the conclusion that is borne out by all known evidence and belied by none. It is also the conclusion towards which various sources of evidence independent of each other converge. This convergence of various sources of evidence independent of each other, alone or together with the absence of any evidence to the contrary, is proof that the mound in question is comprised of human ash.

Originally Posted by Gerdes
10 - Show us were the huge pit is that this "mountain of human ash" was dug out of.

*The human ashes that the mound at Sobibor is comprised of may have been dug out of one of more of the pits discovered by Prof. Kola in 2001. They were probably brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging, which would mean it is impossible to determine which of the grave pits contained these specific ashes.

Originally Posted by Gerdes
11 - And last - but certainly not least, we're waiting for Roberta to publish, in "SKEPTIC" magazine, proof that there exists just one mass grave that contains just one percent of the alleged mass murder at Sobibor and Treblinka.

* It will be answered in the form required on the NAFCASH site when the necessary information is available, interest and availability on the part of SKEPTIC magazine provided.

Originally Posted by Gerdes
12 - What are you waiting for Roberta?

*On a long-term perspective, I’m waiting for the results of archaeological work that is currently being carried out on site, and for a chance to gain access to such results...

Originally Posted by Gerdes
20 - BTW Roberta, why do you keep running from the queations about the soil core samples of Sobibor?

*As lying Gerdes well knows, the only one who has been running away from questions regarding these core drill samples:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F5.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F6.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F7.html

is Gerdes himself. I have asked him several times what, other than ashes of human bone and tissue, wood ashes, bone ash or lime the substances distinguishable from the light-brown soil in these samples could possibly be. He has neither provided an alternative explanation and nor had the courage to at least openly admit that he has no alternative explanation.

Originally Posted by Gerdes
21 - What do the frauds at the Sobibor Archaeology Project say it is?

22 - They’re the ones who analysed the core samples – right?

23 - They DID analyse the core samples – didn't they Roberta?

*1. Unlike Mr. Gerdes and others of his ilk, the members of the Sobibor Archaeology Project are not frauds. They are serious and competent archaeologists.

*2. What I have learned from them about these samples is that they pertain to Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation in 2001, see above answer B.2.

*3. This means that if – as is probably the case – these core samples were analyzed to confirm that they contain what their aspect suggests, this was done in 2001 by or on behalf of Prof. Kola’s team, and not by or on behalf of the Sobibor Archaeology Project...

Originally Posted by Gerdes
27 - If you were Andrzej Kola or Yoram Haimi, and the "huge mass graves" allegedly found at Sobibor are not a hoax, just how long would it take you to send off to "SKEPTIC" magazine all the proof in the world needed to become an applicant for THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE reward?

*As long as it takes for my archaeological work to be completed and duly remunerated, for the results to be evaluated and for an article that meets the requirements of a scientific magazine to be written. I wouldn’t necessarily publish such article in SKEPTIC magazine, which is not necessarily related to issues of archaeology and/or history, but prefer something like ARCHAEOLOGY magazine. And I wouldn’t give a flying fuck about some howling lunatic’s fraudulent "FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE" and a reward for which I would probably have to run after 21 characterless and probably also penniless frauds, made from the same used toilet paper as Mr. Gerdes, for the part of the reward amount to which each of them has supposedly committed.

However, I might make available evidence material to who feels like making those frauds put their money where their mouths are, or at least humiliate the most obnoxious of those frauds.
Excerpts from my post # 916 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=916 , Gerdes’ only comment being the remark at the beginning. The self-projecting invective aside, the remark was probably meant to be ironic. Yet the irony is likely to be lost on any reasonable person reading this post, which shows consistent answers to questions which hardly merit that much.

Contrary to what Gerdes apparently tries to make believe, however, I didn’t make any pretense that any of my answers or all of them together prove the existence of the Sobibor mass graves. I expressly pointed out, at the beginning of each answer, just how relevant – if at all – I considered the respective question to be in the context of proving the mass murder at Sobibor, and thus also the related mass graves. Most of Gerdes’ questions are of little if any relevance in this context. Thus my answer to question # 11, for instance, was the following:

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerdes
11 - And last - but certainly not least, we're waiting for Roberta to publish, in "SKEPTIC" magazine, proof that there exists just one mass grave that contains just one percent of the alleged mass murder at Sobibor and Treblinka.
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Question irrelevant for the purpose of proving mass murder at Sobibor (which has already been proven anyway with all the mass graves it entails, see my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 ), but of relevance within the context of the NAFCASH challenge. It will be answered in the form required on the NAFCASH site when the necessary information is available, interest and availability on the part of SKEPTIC magazine provided.
When quoting my answer to this question in his above-mentioned post, and just like he did in regard to all other answers he quoted, Gerdes left out the introductory assessment of the question’s relevance with the link to a previous post (# 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 ) in which I had listed evidence that leaves no room for reasonable doubt about the mass murder at Sobibor extermination camp.

Gerdes thus once more – as so often before – indulged in misrepresentation of his opponent’s argument.

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Originally Posted by Gerdes in CODOH post of Fri Aug 01, 2008
Time for a little recap to refresh everyones minds just how pathetically RM is doing in presenting proof of the Sobibor holocaust:

“Physical evidence” documented in photographs – presented to date - by and in the dullards own words:

“A mound of the ashes of victims of the Sobibor extermination camp, at the remembrance site on the grounds of the camp:”

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...5938_1_web.jpg

“A mound of the remains of victims of the Sobibor extermination camp, at the remembrance site on the grounds of the camp:”

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...5964_1_web.jpg

“A glass display case containing ashes and bones of victims of the Sobibor extermination camp:”

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...5968_1_web.jpg

“Hair, bones and ashes found on the grounds of the Sobibor extermination camp:”

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...6238_1_web.jpg

“Hair, bones and ashes in the area of the Sobibor extermination camp:”

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...6239_1_web.jpg

“While no photographs are required to prove that the mass graves actually exist, the three photographs from the above-mentioned series obviously show substances taken with a core drill out of Sobibor mass graves, which are clearly distinguishable from the light brown soil of Sobibor – (Photo’s f5, f6 & f7):”

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...nia/index.html

“The light gray substance on the first two photos must be ashes of human bone and tissue.

The black substance on the second photo must be wood ash.

The white substance on the third photo must be either bone ash or lime.

My assumptions regarding the nature of these substances are supported by

a) their aspect
b) their context (Prof. Kola’s investigation in 2001, the essential result of which was finding the mass graves) , and
c) the absence of any alternative theory (at least Gerdes has provided none) as to what these substances might be.”
Despite his big words, Gerdes is not able to explain what is supposed to be "pathetic" about the photographic evidence he mentions – which, as he "forgets" to tell the CODOH clowns, is only a part, and not even an indispensable one, of the Sobibor evidence I have shown (the documentary and eyewitness evidence I mentioned in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 alone leaves no room for reasonable doubt that Sobibor was an extermination camp and at least 150,000 people were killed there, and all the documentation of physical evidence mentioned in that post and in post # 916 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=916 does is to further corroborate and reinforce this conclusion).

It is particularly noteworthy that Gerdes is still unable to provide an alternative theory as to what, other than ashes of human bones and tissue, wood ashes and bone ash or lime, the substances clearly distinguishable from the soil on these core sample photographs from Prof. Kola’s 2001 archaeological investigation:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F5.html


http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F6.html


http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...adania/F7.html


could possibly be. That is truly pathetic.

And while this is not a big deal, it should be pointed out that lying Gerdes well knows that the captions of the photos from the Ghetto Fighters House included in his list are not mine, contrary to what he seems to be claiming. They are from the Ghetto Fighters House.

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Originally Posted by Gerdes, in same post,
And of course, the dullard has repeatedly referred to the Sobibor Archaeology Project’s home page, with all the photos of the alleged “huge mass graves:”

http://undersobibor.org/

And let’s not forget what else the cowardly dullard has said:

"Boy, one can sense how carpet-biting mad Gerdes is at my having accepted the challenge... You will hear from me again on this subject when you find an issue of SKEPTIC or ARCHEOLOGY magazine with an article about my research findings in your mailbox... I’m doing my research independently of how big a chance there is that meeting the challenge requirements will get me any money. If I don’t get paid for submitting proof that objectively meets the challenge requirements, that’s fine. If I do get paid, that’s even better... but the next time you repeat that "looking for an angle out" - BS you’ll be telling another lie, asshole. I have already made clear that the reward money would be nice to have but is not the main motivation for my research... What made me decide to accept your challenge was a big mistake you made in one of your posts, one that considerably improved my chances of having access to the very evidence that is required to meet the challenge requirements... If you don’t want to accept my suggestions... that’s just fine with me. It won’t dissuade me from trying to obtain, publish and present to NAFCASH the required proof, for as you well know the money issue is secondary to me... As you well know, I’m not trying to change anything to my "liking"... what I’m showing the world is that I’m willing to play by the standards of the NAFCASH challenge... And just to make it clear once more, I intend to publish proof meeting the requirements in ARCHAEOLOGY or SKEPTIC magazine and submit such proof to NAFCASH as soon as I have it in my hands, independently of what my chances are of ever actually seeing any reward money. If I meet the challenge requirements but cannot obtain payment... that’s fine. If I can obtain payment, that’s even better.”
What’s the self-projecting coward (even his brothers-in-spirit, at least the most intelligent among them, should meanwhile have realized that Gerdes’ accusing me of cowardice is as baseless as it is looking in the mirror) trying to tell his buddies with this montage of quotes from various posts of mine?

I didn’t exactly tell him that the results of my research would be available the day after tomorrow – on the contrary, I made it very clear that my research depended on the progress of archaeological work currently being done by the Sobibor Archaeology Project on site, that archaeological work takes time and that professional archaeologists don’t set their schedules according to the ramblings of a mad-man like Gerdes. Yet Gerdes seems to be mendaciously pretending that I announced a prompt submittal of evidence meeting his challenge requirements, and that his daily "show me, show me" - demands (which actually just express the nervousness and hysteria of a coward who is scared shitless of the day his nightmares will come true) are somehow justified.

But Gerdes is not the only one who is nervous about what physical evidence will eventually be rubbed under his nose and even about the comparatively small parts of that evidence that he has already been confronted with.

Chicken-shit liar Jonnie "Hannover" Hargis, always brave when mouthing off about me where I cannot respond because he banned me from his place but never brave enough to confront me directly (not even on a forum of anti-Semitic white supremacists where he can count on peer support), thinks it’s time another of his lame attempts at rationalization:

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Originally Posted by Hannover in CODOH post of Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:37 pm
Quote:
*3. While no photographs are required to prove that the mass graves actually exist, the three photographs from the above-mentioned series obviously show substances taken with a core drill out of Sobibor mass graves, which are clearly distinguishable from the light brown soil of Sobibor.

The light gray substance on the first two photos must be ashes of human bone and tissue.

The black substance on the second photo must be wood ash.

The white substance on the third photo must be either bone ash or lime.

My assumptions regarding the nature of these substances are supported by

a) their aspect
b) their context (Prof. Kola’s investigation in 2001, the essential result of which was finding the mass graves) , and
c) the absence of any alternative theory (at least Gerdes has provided none) as to what these substances might be.

- "While no photographs are required to prove that the mass graves actually exist ... "
Why aren't photos of the alleged mass graves required?
Because other evidence (eyewitness testimonies, documents and an archaeologist’s description of the physical evidence) are sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that mass murder happened at Sobibor and mass graves related to that mass murder exist, Mr. Hargis. Think before writing.

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Originally Posted by Hannover
They would be in a real court of law.
Oh, would they? According to what rules or standards of evidence you can show us, Mr. Hargis? I’ll tell you right away: none. Your claim is as ignorant as ever, and you know as much about what a evidence a "real court" requires as a pig does about Sunday. At trials before West German courts in the 1960s, for instance, the only information that was available about the Sobibor mass graves came from eyewitness testimonies and drawings made by former camp inmates and members of the camp staff. The court had no problem with accepting these testimonies and drawings as conclusive evidence of the mass graves and the mass murder they were related to. And I’m sure that Hargis cannot show us which of the defendant-friendly procedural rules of the Federal German constitutional state the courts in question thereby violated, for they didn’t violate any.

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Originally Posted by Hannover
He makes a claim of enormous mass graves and cannot show us photographic proof. Pathetic.
What’s actually pathetic is the utter stupidity of arguing that the existence of mass graves can only be proven through photographic evidence. Apart from being at odds with rules and standards of criminal investigation and historical research, such reasoning isn’t even logical. If mass graves are described in a coincident manner by several eyewitnesses independent of each other and the place in question is one that other evidence shows lots of people to have been taken to but few if any to have left alive, there’s no room for reasonably doubting the existence of such graves even if no one ever photographs them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannover
- Why must his "light gray substance" be "ashes of human bone and tissue"?
How about just ashes from a trash heap?
I didn’t know there was a trash heap in the "Camp III" section of Sobibor, where these core drills were made and where Prof. Kola’s team identified 7 mass graves in 2001. All known documentary and eyewitness evidence points to mass graves in that area, none to a trash heap. How about assessing evidence in the context of other evidence, Mr. Hargis?

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Originally Posted by Hannover
- "The black substance on the second photo must be wood ash."
Thank you & so what?
Wood ash suggests cremation, and so do eyewitness descriptions of the victims’ bodies being cremated at Sobibor. How about assessing evidence in the context of other evidence, Mr. Hargis?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannover
- "The white substance on the third photo must be either bone ash or lime."
Why must it be? Why not more ash from a trash heap?
Because I doubt that Hargis can tell us what "ash from a trash heap" would have this aspect, whereas bone ash is white and lime is also white. And because there’s no evidence to there having been a trash heap in the area in question, while there is evidence to the use of lime poured on bodies in mass graves in that area, and there is evidence to cremation of dead bodies and the crushing of calcinated bones after cremation in that area. How about assessing evidence in the context of other evidence, Mr. Hargis? And how about getting yourself a brain?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannover
Roberto goes on:
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My assumptions regarding the nature of these substances are supported by

a) their aspect
b) their context (Prof. Kola’s investigation in 2001, the essential result of which was finding the mass graves) , and
c) the absence of any alternative theory (at least Gerdes has provided none) as to what these substances might be.

Aspect? In respect to what? Alleged enormous mass graves which he cannot show us?
Aspect in regard to enormous mass graves described by contemporary eyewitnesses and a present-day archaeologist, and also in regard to what I know from other sources or from personal observation about the aspect of certain substances.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannover
Context? In context to shyster Kola's fraudulent claims as shown earlier?
No, in the context of a renowned archaeologist’s public statement about archaeological findings that are in line with what becomes apparent from all other known evidence, and that there is no reason to doubt just because an intellectual midget baselessly calls the man a "shyster" and his description "fraudulent".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannover
Alternative theory? Well how about some facts .... there are no such mass graves as claimed, they cannot be shown, and
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There's no reason to believe that they have done anything more than poke a hole in a trash incineration site.
The alternative theory seems to be that the core samples are from a trash incineration site. Apart from there being no evidence to a trash incineration site in the area where these drills were made, whereas all known evidence points to the existence of mass graves containing cremains in that area, I doubt Hannover can tell us what substances burned at a trash incineration site would have the light-gray and white aspect of the substances visible on the sample photos.

So Hannover has once more shown the poverty of his reasoning and his lack of a plausible alternative explanation, i.e. one that takes all evidence to what happened in the area of these drillings into account.

But at least he tried, which is not what can be said of poor Gerdes. He gets points for that.

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Originally Posted by Hannover
We can't blame Roberto Muehlenkamp alone, they all resort to the same absurd irrational, illogical, impossible, and unscientific silliness.
Actually it’s Hargis who has just provided an example of absurd irrational, illogical, impossible, and unscientific silliness, baselessly postulating a trash incineration site where no evidence suggests one to have existed while ignoring the fact that all known evidence points to mass graves in the area in question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannover
This is too easy.
It’s really a piece of cake to show how illogical folks like Hannover are every time they try to display logical reasoning, and what bloody fools they make of themselves every time they try to be smart. And that’s obviously the reason why Mr. Jonnie "This is too easy" Hargis never leaves his safe and cozy Führerbunker and stifles opposition by censorship and banning – otherwise it would be too easy to slap his nonsense around his ears.

Gerdes seems to think much of Hargis, however. It looks as if he visits Hargis' Cesspit every time he needs that genius's advice to respond to questions that are too much for his own meager intellect.

The meager intellect of Mr. Gerdes is again shown in his next CODOH post, in which he echoes his admired master and teacher:

[Gerdes in CODOH post of Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:33 pm]
Hannover:

"They all resort to the same absurd, irrational, illogical, impossible, and unscientific silliness."

Yes, and my most recent favorite is this:

*...these samples... pertain to Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation in 2001 - This means that if – as is probably the case – these core samples were analyzed to confirm that they contain what their aspect suggests"

So they were "probably" analyzed, and the analysis "confirmed" what "their aspects suggests?"

If the liar doesn't even know for a fact that they were analyzed, then how the hell would he know if "what their aspects suggests" was "confirmed?"

LOL![quote]

Poor Gerdes, he cannot even read. My answers to his questions 21, 22 and 23, in post # 916 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...&postcount=916 , read as follows:

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1. Unlike Mr. Gerdes and others of his ilk, the members of the Sobibor Archaeology Project are not frauds. They are serious and competent archaeologists.

2. What I have learned from them about these samples is that they pertain to Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation in 2001, see above answer B.2.

3. This means that if – as is probably the case – these core samples were analyzed to confirm that they contain what their aspect suggests, this was done in 2001 by or on behalf of Prof. Kola’s team, and not by or on behalf of the Sobibor Archaeology Project.
Under number 3 I am saying that the samples were probably analyzed in order to confirm that they contain what their aspect suggests. I’m not categorically stating that such analysis, if done, confirmed that these samples contain human remains (though this was what the analysis probably did).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerdes
So the question: They DID analyze the core samples – didn't they?

Remains unanswered,
Yep, until the results of Prof. Kola’s 2001 investigation are published, one can only presume that he did the analyses one would expect a competent professional archaeologist to do.

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Originally Posted by Gerde
yet he's claiming that the samples "suggested aspects" have been "confirmed!"
No, I’m not claiming that at all. I just consider it reasonable to assume that such confirmation was obtained, because

a) the aspect of the samples suggests the presence of human remains,
b) Prof. Kola is known to have identified mass graves at Sobibor and these samples are from his investigation and
c) a competent professional archaeologist – which previous work by Prof. Kola has shown him to be – can be expected so have such samples analyzed.

What is more, Kola is known to have ordered an analysis of core drill samples found at Belzec, and this analysis established that they contained human remains. There’s no reason why he should have proceeded differently at Sobibor.

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Originally Posted by Gerdes
Absurd, irrational, illogical, impossible, and unscientific silliness indeed.
No, my dear Gerdes. A reasonable person’s reasonable probability considerations, as opposed to the misrepresentation of such considerations by a charlatan who can at best be given the benefit of very sloppy reading.

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Originally Posted by Gerdes
And what could be more absurd, irrational, illogical, impossible, and unscientific than this:

“Hair, bones and ashes found on the grounds of the Sobibor extermination camp:”

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...6238_1_web.jpg

“Hair, bones and ashes in the area of the Sobibor extermination camp:”

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...6239_1_web.jpg
Where’s the "absurd, irrational, illogical, impossible, and unscientific" part, Mr. Gerdes?

If these photos show what they are captioned to show by the source featuring them, they are further corroboration of what becomes apparent from all known documentary and eyewitness evidence and from other documentation of the physical evidence at Sobibor.

The only thing absurd, irrational and illogical here is the imbecile babbling of frauds like you. And what’s impossible and unscientific is the postulate of an invisible resettlement operation taking over 1.3 million people via the Aktion Reinhard(t) camps without leaving a single piece of documentary evidence or a single eyewitness when there should be a huge paper trail of the former and thousands upon thousands of the latter. Or the postulate of a monstrously powerful and invisible conspiracy that made all this evidence disappear and fabricated all known evidence that the camps in question were extermination camps.