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Old October 24th, 2008 #1615
Roberto Muehlenkamp
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Gerdes still hasnít got over the day he shot himself in his own foot by providing a satellite photograph showing four distinctly greener areas in a barren forest clearing that happen to coincide with mass grave areas identified by Prof. Andrzej Kola in 2001 and plotted on several maps by this archaeologist. His latest attempt to cope with this blunder is found in Gerdesí post of Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:35 am under http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5100&start=15 :

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HUGE MASS GRAVE LOCATED AT TREBLINKA!!!

According to the dull one itself, all the "proof" needed to claim that there really are "huge mass graves" at Sobibor and/or Treblinka is the existence of a "green area" in the alleged "mass graves" areas of the alleged "pure extermination centers."

Well, I'm about to help out the dolt and show him the EXACT location of at least one of Treblinka's "huge mass graves."

You can see the "huge mass grave" / "lush green area" yourself right here:

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap13.jpg

See it? See the "lush green area" on the lower right between the two lower monuments?

Now compare that "lush green area" with the "lush green areas" of Sobibor:

http://maps.pomocnik.com/satellite-maps/?map=4194

See? The "lush green areas" of Treblinka are just as "lush" and just as green as the "lush green areas" of Sobibor.

That folks is, according to the dullest of the dull, "proof" of the existence of at least one "huge mass grave" of Treblinka. (What else could it be if not "proof" that there are the remains of tens of thousands of jews under the "lush green area?" What other possible explanation could there be for the "lush green vegetation" in that spot?)

And check out the location - It sure looks to me like that "lush green area" / "huge mass grave" must be the Lazarette.

Just think, with the tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings in that pit along with the remains of the tens of thousands of jews, one could prove it's the Lazarette pit with a cheap metal detector.

So what is the dull one waiting for?

How many bones do I have to throw him?

Maybe $100,000.00 isn't enough of an incentive for him?????
What we have here, idiotic rhetorical babbling aside, is a flagrant misrepresentation of my arguments. As stinking liar Gerdes well knows, I have never claimed that the greener appearance of the greener areas visible on the Sobibor satellite photograph is by itself proof that these are mass grave areas. The main reason why these green areas are interesting is that, apart from

a) their being located in the part of Sobibor extermination camp where all eyewitness evidence shows the mass killing and body disposal to have taken place and the mass graves to have been, and

b) the presence of human remains below ground and the intensive digging-up of the soil in these areas being plausible explanations for their greener appearance, whereas I havenít yet seen an alternative explanation conforming with "Revisionist" faith,

is that they coincide with mass grave areas identified and plotted on maps by Prof. Andrzej Kola as a result of archaeological investigations conducted in 2001.

As one of these maps appeared in an article written by Prof. Kola in a bulletin of the Polish government entity in charge of the memorials, I guess itís OK to show this map, unlike two other maps in my possession which are not in the public domain. Here it is:



Compare with my annotated enlargement of the satellite photograph kindly provided by Gerdes:



The areas I numbered "3" and "4" match the huge inverted "L" east of the monument. The "base" of the "L" is my number "4". The part of that "base" covered by the monument is not visible on the satellite photo, of course.

The area I numbered "2" is the mass grave east of the path leading to the monument and partially covered by that path.

The area I numbered "1" is the mass grave lying southwest of the monument and west of the path.

Now, if Gerdes can get us an archaeologistís map showing the mass graves at Treblinka in the greener areas of that campís soil he makes a fuss about, we may be able to draw conclusions about the location of Treblinka mass grave areas not covered by the memorial there. Drawing such conclusions based on the greener coloration of certain areas alone, on the other hand, is too speculative for my taste.

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In his CODOH post of Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:38 under http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5101 , Gerdes provides a classical example of the particular form of lying known as "quote mining": he quotes only the parts of my statement that fit his argument and leaves out the ones that donít:

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Originally Posted by Gerdes
BTW, it looks like Muehlenkamp has tucked tail and ran away from me yet again. (First it was from topix, now VNN.) Here is its latest from VNN:

"I donīt intend to spend any time on you anymore... youīll be on ignore from now on. For news on whatīs happening at Sobibor you are referred to the RODOH forum (where... you will soon find... photos from my trip to Sobibor) and the HC blog... (where I shall write an article about this trip as soon as Iīm back from Germany, where I am writing from now)."

What a coward!

He simply couldn't handle a debate on a real, unfettered and uncensored forum, so he's running back into the arms of nickterry.

It seems that having to defend his absurdities by actually proving / producing physical evidence to support hs claims was too much for him to handle.

But then again, isn't that the way it is for all holocaustians?
Hereís what I wrote in post # 1536 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...postcount=1536, with emphases added in the parts that Gerdes did not leave out when quoting me:

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If you were prepared to respond to questions and attend demands yourself, you might be entitled to ask questions and make demands yourself. But as you dodge all questions you are asked and ignore all demands that are made on you, I donīt see on what basis you can consider yourself entitled to throw around questions and demands yourself.

That applies all the more as youīre a liar whose lies I ceased to care counting long ago, a whimpering coward and an obvious hoaxer, as last and most prominently shown by your having failed, after all your bigmouthed bragging laden with invective and threats, to honor our appointment at Sobibor on 15.10.2008.

There are many questions I would have liked to ask you on site, in front of a running camera. Questions such as what, if not a bone fragment, this object:

or this one:

is supposed to be.

But you weaseled out under the lame pretext that you were afraid of being arrested like Toben, moreover after heavy-handedly challenging German authorities to give you the Toben treatment, see my post no. 1525 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...postcount=1525 .

So whoever still had a sliver of doubt that your NAFCASH challenge is a hoax, and you donīt intend to pay a cent to anybody no matter what evidence is shown to you, can be in doubt no longer after this instructively characterless behavior of yours.

All the above, Mr. Gerdes, makes you a slimy little worm so low that I donīt intend to spend any time on you anymore. Youīll get my invitation to witness the results of core drilling/excavation in mass graves in the Sobibor area, if such core drilling/excavation should take place, and of course I shall submit evidence resulting from such core drilling/excavation to SKEPTIC magazine and inform you thereof for the purpose of your fraudulent "challenge", but other than that youīll be on ignore from now on. For news on whatīs happening at Sobibor you are referred to the RODOH forum (where in the Reference section under http://rodohforum.yuku.com/forums/13 you will soon find a post with links to the above and many other photos from my trip to Sobibor) and the HC blog under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/ (where I shall write an article about this trip as soon as Iīm back from Germany, where I am writing from now).

That is, unless you expressly undertake to henceforth answer my questions and address my arguments, like I have addressed what piss-poor "arguments" you have presented (they boil down to repetitive and unimaginative variations of your "not one this-and-that" rhetoric) and answered your irrelevant to idiotic questions to the best of my knowledge.

I look forward to a statement in the above sense until same time tomorrow, Mr. Gerdes. The absence of such statement will be construed as your also considering our conversation finished.
Of course Gerdes didnít give the CODOH clowns the link to my post or even to the present thread. They might read the whole of what I wrote and find that Gerdes is too obvious a quote-mining liar even for their taste, you see.

The photos in post # 1536 disappeared when I moved them to another directory in my Photobucket collection, by the way. They were two of the many bone fragment photos that can be found on my RODOH thread under http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/6369 .

As to Gerdesí calling me a "coward", whoever wants to know who the actual coward is only has to read the quotes from Gerdesí posts nos. 1503, 1512, 1514 and 1521 in my post # 1525 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...postcount=1525 .

And the crap about my having run from Gerdes at Topix is another Gerdian lie, of course Ė or letís be generous and call it another example of "Black Knight" style wishful thinking by someone whose life is obviously very poor in victories. As I commented under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...th-update.html ,

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Poor Gerdes seems to have damn few if any experiences of success in his miserable life to be seeking for one so badly.
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Whatís interesting about the two CODOH posts commented above is that they show exactly where Gerdes is hurting.

Heís hurting about his shot in the foot in having pointed out a satellite photo that shows four of the mass graves identified by Prof. Kola at Sobibor.

Heís hurting about the cowardice that kept him from honoring our appointment at Sobibor on 15.10.2008, and about my having contemptuously put him on ignore on account of that characterless behavior.

The next CODOH message to be commented, Gerdesí post of Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:29 pm under http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5101 , addresses another of Gerdesí pains: the blundering endeavor of his fellow "Revisionist" Richard Krege, who is sitting on a report about his GPR investigation at Treblinka because he Ė as I pointed out several times in this VNN discussion, for instance in my post # 194 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...&postcount=194 Ė found exactly what he had hoped not to find, i.e. soil disturbances compatible with the presence of mass graves in the subsoil of Treblinka. Gerdes lamely tries to tackle this problem as follows:

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Originally Posted by Gerdes
Here's another interesting tidbit from the mule's VNN post #382:

6. Are we going to see the report of Mr. Kregeís "detailed forensic examination", Mr. Gerdes? Yes or no? (I would love to see that report for Krege seems to have found exactly what he hoped not to find and claims not to have found, soil disturbances compatible with mass graves in the subsoil of Treblinka).

And my recent comment:

If Krege "seems to have found exactly what he hoped NOT to find," then surely Freund must have found exactly what he WAS hoping to find, right?

If Krege found "soil disturbances compatible with mass graves in the subsoil of Treblinka," then so should have Freund and his Kosher Krew at Sobibor, right?

Why have you so suddenly stopped asking for Krege's GPR results?

Why aren't you calling for the results of Freund's GPR examination? (Which reminds me, we're still waiting for you to round up O'Neils alleged hours of video he claims he took at Belzec. What are you waiting for?)
My comments:

1. If I havenít recently repeated my question about Kregeís results (which are obviously disadvantageous to "Revisionist" articles of faith, as also suggested by the sources mentioned in my post # 194 including a renowned expert in GPR matters, otherwise "Revisionist" freaks would be parading them all over the Internet), thatís just because a) the conversation didnít lead to that issue and b) Iím not in the Gerdian habit of repeating myself over and over again. Gerdes obviously hasnít got himself a brain yet.

2. What became apparent from the video by Freund et al before it was withdrawn does indeed suggest that their GPR came upon soil disturbances compatible with the presence of mass graves in the subsoil of Sobibor, as I pointed out under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...th-update.html .

3. Much as I would like to have the results of Freundís GPR examination at my disposal, I donít think theyíll give them to me just because Iím such a nice guy. Gerdes should definitely get himself a brain.

4. I donít remember having invoked the results of Freundís GPR examination or OíNeillís video as a source, which means thereís no reason why I should call for either or be concerned with obtaining either. Gerdes, on the other hand, keeps parading Kregeís "detailed forensic examination" on his NAFCASH site under http://www.nafcash.com/ . As long as he does that, Iíd say itís fair to ask Gerdes when, if ever, the report of Mr. Kregeís "detailed forensic examination" that Gerdes brags about will be made available to the public.

5. As to what Iím waiting for, Gerdes is invited to re-read the last two paragraphs of my post # 1536 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...postcount=1536 :

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That is, unless you expressly undertake to henceforth answer my questions and address my arguments, like I have addressed what piss-poor "arguments" you have presented (they boil down to repetitive and unimaginative variations of your "not one this-and-that" rhetoric) and answered your irrelevant to idiotic questions to the best of my knowledge.

I look forward to a statement in the above sense until same time tomorrow, Mr. Gerdes. The absence of such statement will be construed as your also considering our conversation finished.
Bar an express undertaking to henceforth answer my questions and address my arguments, Gerdes remains on ignore, as announced in that same post. He can entertain himself boring Slanim with the same "letís see this-and-that", "not one this-and-that" and "what are you waiting for" Ė baloney that I have been slapping around his ears since the beginning of our discussions Ė while cowardly dodging Slanimís questions as he dodged so many questions of mine, of course.

Poor Gerdes is a lifetime loser trying to get even with the world. And a hopeless bore whose chief talent is to make people . Even the CODOH clowns seem to be getting tired of him.