[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Greg Johnson

Alex,

1. I think that you are mistaking plausible stories for truths, e.g., that Jared Taylor runs a front operation, that Sam Francis was a secret WN but was just too much of a coward to go public, that Buchanan is merely in it for the system, money, etc., etc. But To say that your stories are plausible means simply that they conform to what is publicly observable.

Use history. Look at the John Birch Society. RP Oliver learned it was a false front. Rockwell, Pierce and Oliver were all kicked out when they started asking questions about the jewish basis of communism. Oliver researched the matter and discovered that Robert Welch was paid by jews to run the JBS as a false front to drain off anti-communist sentiment. The feds and jews also set up William F. Buckley's magazine, gave him every award (and his son says he was even on his deathbed concerned about awards) and promotion in exchange for his ridding conservatism of anti-semites and racists, making it safe for jews, coopting the American right. Now consider these:

FACT: Jared Taylor has stated he wants to be the William F. Buckley of racialism.

FACT: Jared Taylor comes from exactly the same class of WASP traitors that gave us the Abolitionist and the Christian missionary. In fact his parents were missionaries. They spent their lives trying to infect Japan with Christianity.

FACT: Jared Taylor refuses paid ads for products criticizing jews.

FACT: Jared Taylor accepts money from jewish backers, and forbids commenters from discussing jewish motives in creating the types of problems the site is ostensibly devoted to alleviating.

FACT: Jared Taylor tells whites to blame their own ancestors, even though 99.9% of these had no power and didn't want the changes the jews forced through, and demonstrated that fact in every opinion poll ever taken.

Logic, anyone? It amazes me that you and Prozium swallow Taylor's intellectual fraudulence without a blink. I don't have canceled checks to Taylor from the ADL, but Occam's razor - all logic and history - show you that Taylor and Amren exist and have as their intended function the protection of jews from blame for America's racial problems, and the safety-valving of Whites grown increasingly disgusted with what our country has become.

Jared Taylor is precisely what I say: a polished turd. Just like William F. Buckley. He is not what he appears to be. You are allowing the fact that you and Macdonald like him personally, Greg, to blind you to his function. This is a very serious problem among the White right - and in Anglo culture in general - the inability to separate politics from personality. Jared Taylor is our enemy.

And in general, you could have saved time in your response simply by saying you take everything Buchanan/Francis/Taylor says at face value. Like they, you insist they're all working some strategy. Funny this strategy has never been written out. Things are generally not written out because they can't survive the light of day, or the making-light of laughter. That is why I revamped this forum and added subforums specifically dealing with these issues: strategy, verbal war, violence. I have laid out the right strategy to follow. You insist that P.T. and Canny and Mrs Decline have a strategy, well, lay it out. What is this clever strategy?

I'll tell you what it is - all these strategies are personal, not political. They are aimed to ensure that what is best for Francis, Buchanan and Taylor is what happens. But prove me wrong. Give me just a soupcon of the strategy that any of these have so I can compare it with the one I advise. I don't think you can do this because there is no strategy. The cover stories you so willingly accept from Francis and the rest are personal strategies, they have nothing to do with what's best for the race. That's my main contention here - none of these people are taking any thought whatsoever for what is best for the White race and how to bring it about.

But I'm willing to listen. Give me CCC, LOSer, MARshmallow, Amrent - give me any overt declaration of strategy for making things better for our race. How do they propose to do that? I have never seen word one of any kind of strategy.

2. What I have tried to offer is an alternative theory of why these people do what they do, a theory that is consistent with believing that these people might be sincere in their WN convictions (or near-WN convictions in the case of Buchanan), and chose their strategy based on their understanding of (1) the importance of elites in social change in general, and (2) their understanding of the particular character of American elites.

What you're saying is you've bought Canny's Burnham bullshit. I will politely refrain from laughing at someone who conjures "Middle American Revolutionaries" as a solution to our problem. My only question is, was he grazing a bag of marshmallows when it occurred to him?

Why would you look to a loser like Francis anyway if you were trying to effect a revolution? Do revolutions come out of tepid folk who throw away their most powerful weapon, race, to grab the marshmallow bag of geography as the basis for the change they seek? Why can't you see the self-interested cowardice of Canny Sammy for what it is? You're looking in the wrong area: read the old NS stuff. Men bent on serious political change look nothing like Taylor, Francis or Buchanan. Not a single person on this site believes any of those men would risk a pinky in defense of the white race. Men who won't even defend their cause publicly and verbally are hardly going to do it physically.

Face the facts, Greg. Canny had no strategy other than self-preservation, and he sucked at that too. Jared Taylor is in this to protect the jews. Pat Buchanan is a good writer, a good speaker, but for the change we need, he's a dog whose entire history shows he will run back whimpering to ZOG every time the question of loyalty is raised. Patrick Buchanan is loyal to the Catholic church, to the commentariat, and to ZOG's emoluments, not to the white race.

3. Now, lest I be misunderstood, I should state that my alternative account is just another likely story. I would bet money that my story is more likely than yours.

It's not a question of more likely. You're simply repeating the line put out by the late Francis. You're simply taking their words and intentions at face value. I'm saying you're wrong to do that. They have no strategy, and you cannot name it. Their strategic concerns were for their own personal advancement, their careers.

But I am not claiming to have inside information on what these people are up to. I have never met Patrick Buchanan, much less talked with him at length. I have met Francis and Taylor, and I have both observed them and talked to them at length. I also have close friends who have been their friends and collaborators for decades.

I know the personal connections. What you can't see is that the fact that you and Macdonald personally like Jared Taylor is blinding you to the blindingly obvious facts of his function.

But I do not pretend to know these men's souls. I am just offering an alternative theory that explains their actions without ascribing the base motives you do.

You gauge their souls by their actions. I correctly summed Sam Francis' character in 'Canny Sammy,' and every single person, you included, knows exactly what I mean. He was a career girl. Career girls have to do what's best for their careers. Yeah, they always have some explanation, some cover story for why they "can't" do this or that. And, being highly intelligent folks, they can make a persuasive case. When you throw in their social inferiors' desires to mix and mingle with the powerful, why, it can even become a compelling and accepted case. (I recall reading once that the average homosexual's life dream was to host dinner parties, salons, for the rich, educated and tasteful.) Don't let the personal trump the objective politics, Greg. And keep in mind, I am judging Canny and Pat and The Turd by a standard I can meet myself. I'm not asking these slicksters to do anything I have not done. That is how winners like Hitler and Goebbels and the jews do it. The losers, like Pat and Sam and The Turd, always have a reason they "can't" do the objectively necessary thing.

This is not because I am too "nice" to ascribe base motives to people. I am pretty far from being nice and charitable. I am just concerned with accuracy. Not accuracy for its own sake, but accuracy for the purposes of thinking about strategies for saving our people.

So lay it out then. Lay out Francis', Buchanan's or The Turd's strategy. I say there is none. I say none of you have seriously thought about it for ten seconds. My strategy is the only one that has been made public and so it stands until someone refutes it. My strategy is based not on copycatting generations of conservatives losers, shills, fronts and idiots, but on a realistic reading of jews and how they act, they being the real power in this society, and what it takes to defeat them, based on knowledge of their history in Germany in the 20th century and their history in Europe vs the Catholic church for 2,000 years.

4. I don't personally advocate or follow the strategy I was outlining in my post. Everyone in our cause needs to determine his own level of explicitness and involvement. So I understand why people might adopt such a strategy. But it is not mine.

Nah, you're describing menu-liberalism. That will never defeat the jews. We have to comply with reality. Reality is that we will get smeared, tortured and killed if we stand up to the jews. You and the boys can pretend otherwise, but that just makes you conservatives, which is another word for excuse-makers.

These are some points where I am in agreement with you:

1. People who hesitate to take radical stands always calculate in terms of the "friends" and access the might lose, but they never wonder if they might gain better friends -- friends who admire them for their courage rather than condemn them for it.

Adopting our cause makes for mental health because we no longer follow the path of the cult in denying gigantic subsets of reality.

2. You are right about sincerity: white people who can perceive nothing else can perceive sincerity. White people require it of their leaders and respect it even in their enemies.

3. At TOQ we name the Jew. We also declare ourselves explicitly pro-white. I never would have gotten involved with the journal in the first place if it did not do both things.

Good. You guys are putting out a lot of solid material, no doubt about it, and great credit to you for running the show. You are a great writer and a great editor too.

4. I agree that we need to build a counter-elite that aims at displacing our Jewish elite just as Jews displaced our WASP elite. The way to do that is to attract the best people possible from all levels of society. If we attract members of the current elite, only the most honest and courageous will come, and they will have to associate with us on our terms, rather than the reverse. If we try to associate with existing elites on their terms, then, yes, the only way to do that is through preaching half- and quarter-truths and sending mixed messages.

My point above is that these insinuation strategies pursued by Francis et al, which in my view are merely cover stories for personal-interests advancement, have never worked and never will work. Beat the jews by being stronger and better in every way than they are. That is a tall order. But that's the point - there is no easy way. And that's the subtext of the Francis approach's claims - that there is an easy way out. All we have to do is talk in codes, wink at the right people. All you have to do is study the nationalists in Germany to see what actually works compared to the claims of managerial bullshitters. You beat jews and quash their revolutions by beating them in the head with gun stocks and throwing them in canals. You beat them by speaking their name and pointing out their doings. You do not beat them by intrigue, that is their specialty. Tactical intrigues, of course, all parties need them. But strategic intrigue - no. You do not beat the jew that way. You beat the jew by political art showing him being mucked out of society on the end of a pitchfork.

5. Conservatism is a losing strategy. Unfortunately, most WNs come out of conservatism, and even if they consciously reject it, their instincts and unconscious presuppositions are still overwhelmingly conservative. Even worse, American conservatism is just an old-fashioned form of liberalism.

True. But we in America at least can't help that we don't have an aristocracy. We will have to create one. I don't think we need a monarch, and I think liberal economics works just fine provided it is restrained in a racial state.

My entire point to you, and to Macdonald, is that I see you genuflecting before status and money, and that is the real conservative instinct that must be uprooted. The urge to grovel before your money-masters. Your respect is due to real WN, not to half-assed conservative clowns, career girls and ZOG curs like Buchanan. "The fool you flatter is the fool you become." Macdonald needs to keep that mind next time it occurs to him to fawn on Buchanan. And you, Greg, should not allow your writers to plagiarize me while fawning over some weakling like Francis.

As you know from your essay contest, we need myths and inspiration. I think just as the moment makes the man, the moment makes the myth. That's what the German nationalists found, I believe history shows. So I wouldn't get too exorcised over it. But, in my own unhumble way, this is what I have tried to do lo these past ten years - create, through mocking and neologisms a different mental environment, in which a new elite can recognize itself, and build itself up into a force. Now, I only have certain skills and getting along with others is not high among them. Those of you better suited to that task must make sure you do not relapse into conservatism.

Americans respect money. If you have money in America, you are respectable. What that leave to us is the creation of a new conception in which honor, duty, nobility and aesthetics take higher rank. This new conception can never take hold if our leaders are perpetually CONFUSING people by referring to the same old conservative-liberal-ZOGians as though they are part of us or in some way admirable and exemplary.

All that leads to is the though of poor young Jimmy Edwards sitting there, rereading his post bashing jews for jewing the whites out of NCAA football coaching, and pondering whether he should, as the LOSers, Council of Cohen Cocksuckers, and MARshmallows have advised, delete the jews and replace them with safe-'n'-profitable liberals.

Your every action, Greg, as mine, should be pushing the Young Jimmys in the right direction. That direction is strength. Strength, not weakness. Courage not cowardice. Bravery not calculation. Refuse to pretend that the conservatism of cowards like Buchanan has anything whatsoever to do with our cause, creating a new White nation.

There are bona fide WNs who actually think that we will beat our enemies with superior arguments.

We already have. Turns out being right has nothing to do with winning.

Arguments have their uses, but when it comes to Realpolitik, they are epiphenomena. I think TOQ's greatest value is as a tool of attracting highly intelligent white people into a social network. It is the social network, a concrete human community, that will actually change the world.

I agree.

But I also keep in mind Metzger's gibe about eat, meet and retreat.

The cutting edge of the White revolution is no longer writing. I think it was the cutting edge ten years ago because that was when the Internet became mass available, and people finally had a way to get through the jewish screens to confront our ideas directly.

Now, without for a minute cutting back on the great and thought-filled articles we get from TOQ and Prozium and other fine sites and writers, indeed expanding our editorial output as hugely as possible, we need to bust out again, and pioneer with

- White HS curriculum

We need to focus, like the German nationalists, on the young. We need to chase the cortex of the young, not the checkbooks of the old. Or at least both. HS is exploding. If there is one cause I will put VNN fully behind, it is developing such a curriculum. It is 100x more important than writing another book.

- White public advocacy.

Now is the time for a group. An advocacy group that can routinize the White case before the mass audience. It wouldn't take even six months to get our people on tv regularly. This would also be a front end to mass financial support. I mean this case in deliberate opposition to the Vdares (and the path I FEAR TOO is or will travel) which is taking donations and doing nothing but producing unilevel editorial. Our cause is past that. The oil is hot, time to throw in the meat. We have all thru our writing these last ten years laid the base, it's time to get going.