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Old January 4th, 2011 #10
Karl Radl
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Originally Posted by N. Wolf View Post
Quote as provided in "Zionism and Russia" lectures by Valdas Anelauskas:

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Boo...d%20Russia.pdf

“We must turn Russia into a desert populated by white negroes upon whom we shall impose a tyranny such as the most terrible Eastern despots never dreamt of. The only difference is that this will be a left-wing tyranny, not a right-wing tyranny. It will be a red tyranny and not a white one.
We mean the word ‘red’ literally, because we shall shed such floods of blood as will make all the human losses suffered in the capitalist wars quake and pale by comparison. The biggest bankers across the ocean will work in the closest possible contact with us. If we win the revolution, we shall establish the power of Zionism upon the wreckage of the revolution’s funeral, and we shall become a power before which the whole world will sink to its knees. We shall show what real power is. By means of terror and bloodbaths, we shall reduce the Russian intelligentsia to a state of complete stupefaction and idiocy and to an animal existence... At the moment, our young men in their leather jackets, who are the sons of watchmakers from Odessa, Orsha, Gomel and Vinnitsa, know how to hate everything Russian! What pleasure they take in physically destroying the Russian intelligentsia — officers, academics and writers!...”
- Leon Trotsky (Jew)
[As recorded in the Memoirs of Aron Simanovich, a jeweler at the court of the Tsar’s Imperial Majesty, secretary of Rasputin and quoted in numerous Russian scholarly works, including The Nature of Zionism By Vladimir Stepin, published (in Russian) in Moscow, 1993 and translated into English by Clive Lindhurst.]
This is another probable made-up quote in so far as:

A) It isn't in Trotsky's corpus of writings as far as I can see (so unless you've got direct evidence you can't reasonably attribute it to him or it having even been said by a Bolshevik or jew).

B) There are tonnes of these quotations doing the rounds and most date from the same period from the same kinds of anti-Bolshevik publications. Most of them are simply made up and quite a lot of them are contradicted by scholarship in the area and were generally ignored by anti-Semites even in their own time.

Oh wait I've found the source and oh surprise surprise it was a White Russian anti-Bolshevik newspaper who are well-known for being the source of a good portion of made-up quotes that simply dog the jews and bolshevism argument and make those opposed to jews an intellectual laughing stock. I quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Radio Islam's copy
From the newspaper "Russkoye slovo", No. 1
Source

Alright:

A) It is a non-specific reference and is almost uncheckable.

B) It is a quotation of a quotation so unless you can verify the original you shouldn't be using it. As my old dissertation tutor used to say: Go back to the source do not rely on someone else's word or their quotation of it as it may very easily be wrong or misleading.

C) It doesn't matter who quotes or uses something unless you can prove it is authentic then do not use it (particularly if it is something controversial). As otherwise you are engaging in the use of a fallacy of authority.
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