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Old June 12th, 2013 #6
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Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland View Post
It's a mystery how all these Romani people came to live mostly within a concentrated region in southeastern Europe. They obviously did not come from Europe (although there has been some mixing over the last 800 years). The best guesses are that they came from Egypt or India. Because of their higher fertility rates over the years, they have caused ethnic resentment.

Might just be a coincidence, but is it not interesting that this region, on the west coast of the Black Sea, is close to Khazaria (the region where the Ashkenazi jews came from) ?
It was once believed that the Roma, or some other Gypsy groups (such as the Balkan Egyptians), originated in Egypt, and in one narrative were exiled as punishment for allegedly harbouring the infant Jesus.

Linguistic and genetic evidence indicates the Romani originated from the Indian subcontinent, emigrating from India toward the northwest 1500 years ago. Genetic findings in 2012 suggest they originated in northwest India and migrated as a group. According to a genetic study in 2012, the ancestors of present scheduled tribes and scheduled caste populations of northern India, traditionally referred to collectively as the Ḍoma, are the likely ancestral populations of modern European Roma. In December 2012, additional findings appeared to confirm the "Roma came from a single group that left northwestern India about 1,500 years ago." They reached the Balkans about 900 years ago, and then spread throughout Europe. Contemporary populations suggested as sharing a close relationship to the Romani are the Dom people of Western Asia and North Africa, and the Banjara of India.

They may have emerged from the modern Indian state of Rajasthan, migrating to the northwest (the Punjab region, Sindh and Baluchistan of modern-day Pakistan and India) around 250 BC. In the centuries spent here, there may have been close interaction with such established groups as the Rajputs and the Jats. Their subsequent westward migration, possibly in waves, is now believed to have occurred beginning in about AD 500.

It has also been suggested that emigration from India may have taken place in the context of the raids by Mahmud of Ghazni. As these soldiers were defeated, they were moved west with their families into the Byzantine Empire.

Genetic evidence supports the mediaeval migration from India. The Romani have been described as "a conglomerate of genetically isolated founder populations", while a number of common Mendelian disorders among Romanies from all over Europe indicates "a common origin and founder effect". A study from 2001 by Gresham et al. suggests "a limited number of related founders, compatible with a small group of migrants splitting from a distinct caste or tribal group". The same study found that "a single lineage ... found across Romani populations, accounts for almost one-third of Romani males."

A 2004 study by Morar et al. concluded that the Romani population "was founded approximately 32–40 generations ago, with secondary and tertiary founder events occurring approximately 16–25 generations ago".

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Ashkenaz is another whole BIG ball-game....The most studied ethnic group in the world! Genetically speaking, Ashkenaz seem to be G2, not J2 or J1 (sephardi) side. Jews with Haplogroup G
Your not going to find them west of the black sea, go east and you'll find a few pockets of the original ones here>