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Old June 14th, 2018 #46
Tom Rogers
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He states in the video that he is directly addressing,scrambling bike riders,pot smokers and gang joiners surely the bedrock of Robinson's support. Like Robinson he would find his background an asset should he have any dealings with them.
In his previous video he advises a teenager to gather his mates from School and form a committee complete with a secretary and treasurer and then campaign on local issues.Now he advises reading a book as the best way forward.
He has not differentiated clearly, either this is general advice to all or it is specific to nationalists.
The book recommendation and the advice about forming ad hoc committees were in the same video. I think he is aiming his advice at both types of people, but especially at people who do not have a background in nationalism, as that will allow them to appear as 'new faces'.

He did go into his own wayward youth, but he explained how political nationalism (as opposed to Robinson-style activism) saved him.

I think Owens knows that, in the case of youngsters, what he is saying will not appeal to 99.9999% of even the ones who are patriotically-inclined, never mind youth in general. He's appealing to a rarefied category. While Nationalism must become a mass movement, its leaders will need special qualities.

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While his vlogging on movement disruption by the system are excellent his solutions for creating ethical nationalism in the UK without an existing structure will not work.If the British people were self starters capable of self education the current situation would never have happened in the first place.
I agree people on the whole aren't self-starters or autodidactic. For them, Owens' message is: 'Lead a normal life, get an education if you're that way inclined, do the best you can in your endeavours'. This is because 'normal'-type people will be of more use to us as sympathisers if they are successful, especially when placed within the system.

But for those who are determined to go into politics, Owens' message is start organising on a modest, local basis among your friends and associates. Most of us could do this. We'd be the leaders of whatever group it is, maybe 5 or 6 individuals in a locality. Those without any identifiable nationalist associations will be able to penetrate further than those who are known as the local 'racist', 'Nazi' or 'fascist', but even so, progress can be made if one is willing to learn about local issues and the way local government works.

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He needs an editor and advisor and needs to determine whether he is appealing to the movement or the masses they are not the same thing.
It seems to me that he is appealing to a small audience. Relatively few will bother watching his videos. It's not the masses. It's nationalists and it's 'ordinary' people who are nationalistically- or patriotically-inclined and who stumble on his channel and need to be steered in the right direction.

The hope is that a young person who is looking for guidance sees his videos and takes his advice before they go down the wrong track.

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He has stated that he is appealing to the youth (so not the movement?) but keeps referring to historical movement activity which for good or ill mean nothing to millennials and are a negative failure to over 30's.
He is appealing to anybody of broadly the same politics, of any age or background, who is listening and who is willing to take his advice. The historic mistakes are relevant for all of us - but especially to youngsters, because we don't want a repeat of them.

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He is to be commended for making his videos and running for office but he needs to review his recommendations to new people.
He has regularly stated the electorate are not interested in the Kalergi plan and similar movement ballocks. He should realise the same applies to Tyndall and Griffin in the minds of the electorate.The last two are even contentious in movement circles.
Tyndall's book could rightly be seen as the bible for British Nationalism. One needn't be a Tyndallite to see things that way. It's a book about Britain, the British and British Nationalism. It does its job. Yes, there are better movement books: Yockey's Imperium or Koehl's Faith of the Future being examples. But the problem with thinkers is that they have faults: Yockey, for instance, was only metaphysically racist and wanted a pan-European nation-state. Tyndall, in contrast, had flaws as a politician, but he wrote just the right book at the right time and it serves its purpose and no more than that.

I agree Owens shouldn't keep appealing plaintively to Griffin, but to be fair: is there an alternative?

Last edited by Tom Rogers; June 14th, 2018 at 07:05 AM.