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Old March 31st, 2016 #31
Robbie Key
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Power will be centralized under any and all systems, including and especially capitalism, whose end result is always dictatorship of the billionaires that will use both private and public means to trample all over you "rugged individualists".
I'm not a rugged individualist. This also something that bothers me. Socialists always claim that the free market create atomized individuals who don't care about each other. Is that necessarily true?

If you look around you today, do get the sense of something other than exactly that? I don't and while that is a part of the racial mixture of our societies, I also think the fact that you can ultimately rely on the government to give your money and provide what you need creates an environment where you don't really need to give a shit about other people is highly conducive to this too.

On the free market, and in the local tight-knit community where you can't rely on a government to save the day, you need to establish close relationships with other people both as a worker and an entrepreneur to ensure your daily life and future. If you act dishonorably, the word will go around and you'll be in a bad position. I think this would work well with normal White people who generally are reliable, honest and well-intentioned.

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The question here isn't whether natural organization of hierarchy is pyramid shape, but whether the people who will be at the top of the pyramid will be sleazy merchants (capitalism) or Plato's Guardians (National Socialism).
Who are these Plato guardians and why, if they were of such high quality, wouldn't they gain substantial power in a market? How is that ensured the Plato Guardians run the government? What happens when the first generation after the revolution is dead? Why can't the scumbags take the power instead, as we've seen all over the White world since WW2?

These sleazy merchants (who do exist) aren't they mostly a British/WASP/Jewish phenomenon?

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The main problem with "socialist" states like Sweden isn't any inherent problem with the system. It's that the massive influx of unproductive , low IQ muds is a burden on society and community.
It's the government importing these people, through the influence of Jewish-owned media and Jewish activism in general. They're not just suddenly appearing on a half-island far up in the north of Europe.

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In low trust multi-racial societies, people understandably prefer less collectivism, but this is an unsustainable path towards hell on earth in the long run.
I agree. As a collective, we need to get together and get rid of the Jews and the muds. That's a given and everyone agrees on that. But the question is what kind of society we want to live in after that.

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If you're a racialist, you're a socialist. If you feel a "centralized dictatorship" needs to protect the race, you indirectly admit that government is necessary and can do something very important better than the private sphere. Why do you do that Robbie, don't you have faith that the average white man's morals will be able to protect the race without supervision?
I haven't ever talked about a racial dictatorship, I think that's Linder's idea, no?

I'm not sure that will be needed, as the coming apocalypse and struggle between the races will be of such epic proportions that everyone will understand these issues anyway.

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Tom Woods' ideal society and economy is what the Jew Von Mises advised as economic policy maker in Engelbert Dolfuss' Austria. If you want to compare and contrast , this case is the perfect example of which system is better. Go look at a before and after of unemployment rates, wages, productivity, harvests, etc in Jew Mises' Austria vs Nationalsocialist Austria a few years later and come to your own conclusion.
I don't know much about this so can't comment. Do you have something I could read on this?

My impression is that Hitler pretty much from the get-go started up a command economy focused on military production. Back then and in that age, it's hard to fault him for that. It was necessary. It makes sense that that would make for better statistics in the short run, which was needed, but is it sustainable?

As I said, we are talking about a White world after we've regained our indepence.

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Economic planning is superior to market economies in every case except in the small and racially irrelevant world of light industry and consumer goods (which I agree free enterprise is superior). The only nations that can afford a full market economy are ones with lots of resources to waste, like Britain when it had its world empire to exploit, or the massive USA, but even in these cases planning would've been far superior.
Perhaps.

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Merchants and peddlers might be a necessary evil in some cases, but these low lives need to be curtailed and contained, and for sure, someone like Cecil Rhodes who helped Jews fill South Africa up with niggers to work in his De Beers diamond mines should be kept far away from government.
I'm just playing a little bit of devil's advocate here, we don't need to resort to slandering or personal attacks. I've always been socialist by default, as pretty much everyone is in Sweden but I am also a curious individual so I like to take in other perspectives on different issues.

Last edited by Robbie Key; March 31st, 2016 at 12:42 PM.