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Old May 4th, 2007 #81
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Backup from 4.14.07 -- Right Back in your Face Jew.


Your faked document of "Operation Reinhardt"
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Can you read German?

http://www.nizkor.tv/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//aktion.reinhard/treblinka/images/ostrow2.jpg[/url]
Was legally disproven in the case in London:
Lipstadt vs. Irving in London court: "Operation Reinhardt"
"Operation Reinhardt" has already been proven in court in the Irving vs. Lipstadt case in London as having no legal credible proof that it was an gassing operation tied to Treblika, or that resulted in any deaths by gassing. The key witness Christopher Browning, was forced to admit in the trial before the judge and media that one of his key documents, the mad confessions of the SS officer Kurt Gerstein, had been seriously pruned and uncritically accepted in his report. He also was bound to admit that there was no contemporary evidence to support the gassing claim at these three Reinhardt camps - Sobibor, Treblinka, Belzec.

"Operation Reinhardt" was a 1942 plan to financially confiscate some of the Jews' wealth.

Source: The Revisionist, Codoh Series, No. 4, 2000, pp. .
Legal court disapproval of secondary documents Lipstadt vs. Irving:
http://www.vho.org/tr/2000/4/tr04holodef.html

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Your New York Times article for a fat buring crematorium, dated 1953.
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Pretty cool patent
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...54C0A965958260

a crematorium that used the fat of the burning corpses as fuel to operate .. (West) German Patent Office to "J. A. Topf & Sohne, Wiesbaden" on Jan. 3, 1953 -- eight years after the war's end. "
That patent is in 1953, long after the war ended. It's a 1953 Patent.


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Your Hungary deaths (no legit source cited), you cite illegal boundaries of Hungary.
400,000 Jewish deaths.

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Jewish deaths by country -
Hungary 410,000

Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, London, 1955
Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Jerusalem, 1988
Hungary deaths according to census statistics: 71,000 Jewish Hungarian deaths.
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"Advocates of the Holocaust doctrine assume as a matter of course that the Germans deported 400,000 to 500,000 Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz, where the majority of them were killed. The basis for this assumption are IMT documents which, according to Benz, prove that in spring and early summer 1944 "444,152 Jews were deported from Hungary" (B344).

In his book Sanning quotes Arthur R. Butz who pointed out that the International Red Cross made no mention in its Report, published in 1948, of any deportations of Jews to Auschwitz, but only of the beginning of Jewish tribulations in October 1944."

A. R. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, Institute for Historical Review, Newport Beach, CA 1992, p. 138.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html
Red Cross in 1948 does not report ANY deportations of Hungarian Jews.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html

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You cited Yale Avalon project, but Yale makes a disclaimer.

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"The Avalon Project will no doubt contain controversial documents. Their inclusion does not indicate endorsement of their contents nor sympathy with the ideology, doctrines, or means employed by their authors. They are included for the sake of completeness and balance and because in many cases they are by our definition a supporting document."

Yale University: Avalon Project is just a documentation of historical proceedings, it does not make judgement on the legality of the Nurmberg Trials, nor does it make any qualifying statements as to use of torture and other illegitimate means, such as forgery to achieve the manufacture of documents, it only lists the available documents without any statement of validity."
Shown here: http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/purpose.htm

Yale does not agree with you.

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Every single one of your Phora Phag arguments has been disproven.

So how is Phade the Phora Phag?
We're going to keep bashing you in the Media until you leave the USA.
 
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Backup from 4.14.07 -- Right Back in your Face Jew.


Your faked document of "Operation Reinhardt"


Was legally disproven in the case in London:
Lipstadt vs. Irving in London court: "Operation Reinhardt"
"Operation Reinhardt" has already been proven in court in the Irving vs. Lipstadt case in London as having no legal credible proof that it was an gassing operation tied to Treblika, or that resulted in any deaths by gassing. The key witness Christopher Browning, was forced to admit in the trial before the judge and media that one of his key documents, the mad confessions of the SS officer Kurt Gerstein, had been seriously pruned and uncritically accepted in his report. He also was bound to admit that there was no contemporary evidence to support the gassing claim at these three Reinhardt camps - Sobibor, Treblinka, Belzec.

"Operation Reinhardt" was a 1942 plan to financially confiscate some of the Jews' wealth.

Source: The Revisionist, Codoh Series, No. 4, 2000, pp. .
Legal court disapproval of secondary documents Lipstadt vs. Irving:
http://www.vho.org/tr/2000/4/tr04holodef.html
Celtic this is testimony - this is not a finding of fact, its testimony from one witness - the court did not make a finding of fact - your assertion is a lie (or you are to stupid to know the diffrence).

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Your New York Times article for a fat buring crematorium, dated 1953.


That patent is in 1953, long after the war ended. It's a 1953 Patent.
Yes, Celtic, its a 1953 patent based on the war time design - it shows that the ovens were capable of doing that which they are alleged to have done, dispose of bodies in massive amounts.


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Your Hungary deaths (no legit source cited), you cite illegal boundaries of Hungary.
400,000 Jewish deaths.



Hungary deaths according to census statistics: 71,000 Jewish Hungarian deaths.


Red Cross in 1948 does not report ANY deportations of Hungarian Jews.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html
The Red Cross does not support you, no revisionist even makes the absud claim that no Jews were deported from Hungary in 1944.


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You cited Yale Avalon project, but Yale makes a disclaimer.


"The Avalon Project will no doubt contain controversial documents. Their inclusion does not indicate endorsement of their contents nor sympathy with the ideology, doctrines, or means employed by their authors. They are included for the sake of completeness and balance and because in many cases they are by our definition a supporting document."

Yale University: Avalon Project is just a documentation of historical proceedings, it does not make judgement on the legality of the Nurmberg Trials, nor does it make any qualifying statements as to use of torture and other illegitimate means, such as forgery to achieve the manufacture of documents, it only lists the available documents without any statement of validity."
Shown here: http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/purpose.htm

Yale does not agree with you.
I linked the documents so you could see them, I did not make any representation that Yale had opined on the subject.

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Every single one of your Phora Phag arguments has been disproven.

So how is Phade the Phora Phag?
We're going to keep bashing you in the Media until you leave the USA.
No, you've been shown to be a liar again.

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Backup from 4.15.07 - Still right back in your Face Jew.

The Red Cross says only about 280,000 died in the camps, of which only half of those were Jews. Which matches the German 2006 Federal Government figure as well.
 
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Backup from 4.15.07 - Still right back in your Face Jew.

The Red Cross says only about 280,000 died in the camps, of which only half of those were Jews. Which matches the German 2006 Federal Government figure as well.
Numnuts - the German government figure is for GERMAN JEWS ONLY.

Explained in full below

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...and-stuff.html



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Germar Rudolf and Sanning estimate Hungarian Jews deported to factories at about 71,000.
Rudolf knows nothing about the subject, and Sanning has been discredited.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject....arianJews.html


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Well you've got a problem because the Red Cross documented the deaths and they are 296,081 for all the camps, and only half of those are Jews. Where did the Jews go? They left Europe for the USSR and the USA.


Documented deaths in
German concentration camps

as of Jan. 1, 1993
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html#ftn7

Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis
W. Benz and W. N. Sanning - A Comparison

GERMAR RUDOLF

"Jews probably constitute about half of the total."

The ICRC's Special Office in Arolsen keeps track of all officially documented deaths in German concentration camps of the Third Reich. A summary from January 1, 1993, documents 296,081 deaths. The distribution of these deaths among the individual camps is shown in the accompanying table.

Total

296,081



Auschwitz

60,056



Bergen-Belsen

6,853



Buchenwald


20,687



Dachau


18,456




Flossenbürg

18,334



Groß-Rosen

10,951



Majdanek

8,831


Mauthausen
(more than Auschwitz)

78.859



Mittelbau

7,468



Natzweiler


4,431



Neuengamme


5,785



Ravensbrück


3,639



Sachsenhausen


5.014



Stutthof


12,634



Theresienstadt


29,375


Other camps
(Treblinka 305 deaths)

4,704
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Total

296,081


http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html#ftn7


The Red Cross statistics only show about 148,000 Jews as having died in close relation to the camps.

148,000 Jews died in all of the German work camps, probably from Morgenthau's bombing of the the food supply to try to starve them off to create Israel.

Do your Phade's Phora Phags disregard the official Red Cross statements? So does Th..th..th..The Phora....Phade of the Phora Phuck Phags also disregard the official Red Cross figures?

Red Cross even on their own website state tehre is only evidence for 74,000 deaths at Auschwitz, probably half of those Jews (37,000).

Please link to the Red Cross web site in which they state this.

http://www.redcross.org/services/int...questions.html

"The Holocaust and War Victims Tracing Center serves anyone who wishes to obtain documentation or learn the fates of loved ones missing since the Holocaust or WWII. The criteria for accepting a case is that the separation occurred in Europe between 1933 and 1957 as a result of Nazi actions.

It is well known that the Nazis and their collaborators imprisoned or killed more than 11 million people including 6 million Jews who were especially targeted for extermination. Polish Catholics, clergy, gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Ukrainians, Russian soldiers, homosexuals, and the disabled were also targets for forced labor, medical experiments and murder. "
 
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Please link to the Red Cross web site in which they state this.
Red Cross on their web page says there is only (recent) evidence for 74,000 dead at Auschwitz.

1979:
Red Cross original Arolsen figures 52,000 dead at Auschwitz.
1989: Red Cross accepts USSR new figures (alleged books) for 74,000 dead at Auschwitz.

You are lying. Here is the web page, the truth is right on the web page here: 74,000 dead. That is all the evidence they have for.


The Soviet Jews obviously padded, by 25,000 since the original Red Cross books only have documentation for 52,000 at Auschwitz.

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Red Cross on their web page says there is only (recent) evidence for 74,000 dead at Auschwitz.

You are lying. Here is the web page, the truth is right on the web page here: 74,000 dead. That is all the evidence they have for.

Those were padded, evidently by the Jews in the USSR by 25,000 since the original Red Cross books only have documentation for 52,000 at Auschwitz.
That is not what the passage says

"While the American Red Cross has been providing tracing for victims of WWII and the Nazi regime since 1939, impetus for the creation of the center occurred in 1989 with the release of files on 130,000 people detained for forced labor and 46 death books containing 74,000 names from Auschwitz. Microfilm copies released to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) by the Soviet Union provided the single largest source of information since the end of WWII."


The Red Cross makes no representation that this is an exhastive list, nor does it state that this is the only evidence. Selective citation and sound bites is all you have.

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/6AYG86

"François Bugnion, the ICRC's Director for International Law and Cooperation within the Movement, reflects* on the organization's failure to react vigorously to the persecution of Jews by the Third Reich."

http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/1995-red-cross.html

There is another International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) International Tracing Service (ITS) located in Arolsen, Germany. It contains forty-six million records detailing the tortures suffered by victims of WWII. Because inquiries received by the ITS are answered manually, those waiting for information about lost relatives may have to wait months, a year, or longer. The center works with other Red Cross societies around the world in an effort to find information. Most times, this long period of waiting is worthwhile for those who eventually receive the information they seek. The ITS has been able to send the requested information to over 7.2 million people. This information can be in the form of certification of a family member's internment or death. Other information is sent to individuals wanting certification of their own hardships. Still, in some cases, documentation may exist of a relative's survival and postwar destination, and therefore end with a joyous reunion.
 
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That is not what the passage says
Where is the evidence for 6 million?
 
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Oh but I did a screen capture before you at the Simon Wisenthal Center called the Red Cross.

I did a screen capture which drew you Jews into a flurry.


Red Cross web page, read it:

You truly are delusional

The page hasn't changed Celtic - do you think the Red Cross or any one cares what you say?

Those meds aren't working are they? JJT said you were on medication, and boy does it show.
 
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You truly are delusional
http://www.redcross.org/services/int...ace/facts.html

Only 74,000 alleged deaths.

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"While the American Red Cross has been providing tracing for victims of WWII and Nazi regime ssince 1939, impetues for the creation of the center occured in 1989 with the release of files on 130,000 people detained for foreced labor and 48 death books contianing 74,000 named form Auschwitz. Microfilm compies released to the INternational Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) by the Soviet Union provided the single largest source of information since the end of WW II."

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"While the American Red Cross has been providing tracing for victims of WWII and the Nazi regime since 1939, impetus for the creation of the center occurred in 1989 with the release of files on 130,000 people detained for forced labor and 46 death books containing 74,000 names from Auschwitz. Microfilm copies released to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) by the Soviet Union provided the single largest source of information since the end of WWII."


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Looks like some spell checked it and changed the number of books from 48 to 46 - any other changes?

Don't see what you are complaining about.
 
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Looks like some spell checked it....
No, it looks like the 74,000 is the only evidence.

http://www.redcross.org/services/int...ace/facts.html


Where does it say in the 2006 or 2007 web pages for evidence beyond and above 74,000? (of which only 36,000 were Jews).

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"It is well known that the Nazis and their collaborators imprisoned or killed more than 11 million people including 6 million Jews who were especially targeted for extermination. ..... targets for forced labor, medical experiments and murder. "
Where does the Red Cross say they, the ICRC, have evidence for this?

What they actually say they have proof for is the following....

Holocaust and War Victims Tracing Center

Holocaust Tracing, Family Searches, and Wartime Documentation.
http://www.redcross.org/services/int...ace/facts.html

Facts About the Center:

"While the American Red Cross has been providing tracing for victims of WWII and Nazi regime ssince 1939, impetues for the creation of the center occured in 1989 with the release of files on 130,000 people detained for forced labor and 46 death books contianing 74,000 named form Auschwitz. Microfilm copies released to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) by the Soviet Union provided the single largest source of information since the end of WW II."
You've been caught lying and fabricating to cover for the Red Cross web site.

http://www.redcross.org/services/int...ace/facts.html

Nowhere does it say it has any records for 6 million. No proof.

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Do you always talk about yourself in the third person? Are those voices getting louder?

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...ley-white.html

If anything, that thread became an embarrassment when Roberto showed up and wiped your collective asses - JackBoot had to restrict his posting to keep your collective team from getting its ass kicked.
 
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You made a website about me and my Stormfront Holocaust thread. I must have bugged you.

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Do you always talk about yourself in the third person? Are those voices getting louder?

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...ley-white.html

If anythang, theat thread became an embarassment ...to us Jews
Don't avoid the question. Where on the Red Cross web site do they say they, that the ICRC, have proof of 6 million dead Jews?

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"....74,000 named form Auschwitz. Microfilm copies released to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) by the Soviet Union provided the single largest source of information since the end of WW II."
So where are the 6 million names?

http://www.redcross.org/services/int...ace/facts.html

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You made a website about me and my Stormfront Holocaust thread. I must have bugged you.
Wasn't me

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Don't avoid the question. Where on the Red Cross web site do they say they, that the ICRC, have proof of 6 million dead Jews?
When they say it is well known - you are aware I hope that not all Jews died in the camps, certainly not all at Auchwitz?
 
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That is not what tha passage sasy
It's exactly what the web page says.

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<!-- Copyright -- The American Red Cross, All Rights Reserved -->
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<title>American Red Cross - International Services: Holocaust &amp; War Victims Tracing Center</title>
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<h3>Facts About The Center</h3>
<P>The American Red Cross Holocaust and War Victims Tracing Center is part of a national program for persons seeking the fates of loved ones missing since the end of WWII and the Holocaust and its aftermath. Opened Sept. 24, 1990, the Center assists U.S. residents searching for proof of internment, forced/slave labor, or evacuation from former Soviet territories on themselves or family members. This documentation may be required for reparations. </P>
<P>While the American Red Cross has been providing tracing for victims of WWII and the Nazi regime since 1939, impetus for the creation of the center occurred in 1989 with the release of files on 130,000 people detained for forced labor and 46 death books containing 74,000 names from Auschwitz. Microfilm copies released to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) by the Soviet Union provided the single largest source of information since the end of WWII.</P>
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http://www.redcross.org/services/int...ace/facts.html
Red Cross 74,000 names from Auschwitz (according to the Jew USSR, and that even is above the 52,000 which is from the German and Red Cross figures.

Most observers estimate half of the work camp patrons were Jews. Who were fed and clothed up until the Jew Morgenthau got the approval in Sept. 1944 for his bombing campaign to cut off all rail and food supplies to German occupied territory.

Look below at what the Red Cross website actually says since 2006: Note the number of work camp patrons at Auschwitz.

You're one sick motherfucker Slamin2(Trojan11) to try to deny these work camp patrons their moment of glory and fame.

These work camp patrons sacrificed their lives to Morgenthau for the glorious oil state of greater Israel. You deny them their blood sacrifice for the Jewish State.

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Are you Bipolar? Its ok to admit it. The way you ramble and change your posts - talk of yourself in the third person, then delete the entry, claims the Red Cross changed its web page because of your actions, then delete yet another entry - either someone is sitting next to you and helping you write, or you are peeking and crashing on your Bipolar swings as the hours change.
 
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Backup from 4.13.07 - Slamin the Slamin

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NOt sure what that last part means, but yes, Leuchter's report is dead.
Slamin the Slamin...

The Leuchter Report: Sustained



German engineer, Wolfgang Schuster (Dipl.Ing.), pointedly defended the validity of Leuchter's findings against the criticisms of French pharmacist Jean-Claude Pressac in a five-page essay published in the German quarterly journal Deutschland in Geschichte und Gegenwart (Tuebingen, June 1991).

Dr. William B. Lindsey, an American research chemist (now retired) who was employed for 33 years by the Dupont Corporation, based on his own careful on-site examination of the alleged extermination gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek, and on his years of experience as a chemist, Lindsey declared under oath: "I have come to the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully killed with Zyklon B [hydrogen cyanide gas] in this manner. I consider it absolutely impossible." (The Globe and Mail, Toronto, Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3.)



Leuchter vs Massachusetts: Technicality
Leuchter was only disqualified in Massachusetts, not the other 49 states.

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Agreement

Fred A. Leuchter, Jr.

The Board of Registration of Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors (the "Board") and Fred A. Leuchter, Jr.,
The Missouri board has different requirements than the Massachusetts board of Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors.


Massachusetts
Mass. pursuant to M.G.L. C. 112, a. 81D-T;

"CHAPTER 112. REGISTRATION OF CERTAIN PROFESSIONS AND OCCUPATIONS"
MGL - Chapter 112, Section 81d
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/112-81d.htm

"PART I. ADMINISTRATION OF THE GOVERNMENT

TITLE II. EXECUTIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS OF THE COMMONWEALTH

CHAPTER 13. DIVISION AND BOARDS OF REGISTRATION

BOARD OF REGISTRATION OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS AND OF LAND SURVEYORS

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MGL - Chapter 13: Section 45 (establishment of qualifications)
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/13-45.htm

Chapter 13: Section 45. Board; membership; appointment;
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/13-45.htm

See [1]
Section 81D. The following words and phrases as used in sections eighty-one D to eighty-one T, inclusive, hereinafter referred to as said sections, shall, unless the context otherwise requires, have the following meanings:-

“Board”, the board of registration of professional engineers and of land surveyors, established by section forty-five of chapter thirteen.
http://www.mass.gov/dpl/boards/en/

(National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying. This council prepares national examinations for the regulated professions,}


Missouri.
[2]
http://pr.mo.gov/apelsla.asp
Leuchter can still practice in Missouri. Read the Missouri law governing Enigneers.

Please study footnotes [1][2].



Leuchter report, Appendix 5

DESIGN PLANS WITH DETAILS OF SAMPLING (dated 23rd March, 1988).
  • Krema I Delousing chamber bath & Disinfection Building 1 in Majdanek ' no samples taken from here.
  • Krema II Floor plan of the delousing wing of Bath & Disinfection Building 1 at Majdanek ' no samples from here.
  • Krema III This is 'Krema I,' its 'morgue (presumed gas chamber),' as Leuchter has written beside the map. Sample sites of Numbers 25-31 are marked.
  • Krema IV This is a map of Krema II, Birkenau -samples 1-7
  • Krema V This is a map of Krema 3, Birkenau, samples 8-11
Delousing Chamber and Experimental Gas Chamber for Delousing; Unknown Heater Circulator (Majdanek) No way! These two diagrams are of the cremation-oven rooms in Birkenau (Krema IV for samples 13-20; below is Krema V for samples 21-24). They are definitely not the delousing chambers.

Thus the third of these subsections locates Leuchter's first set of samples - whose analysis so startled the French pharmacist Jean-Claude Pressac: 'Out of seven samples obtained from the Crematorium II gas chamber ruins, not a single one was shown upon analysis to contain cyanide. This amazing result is contrary to everything known about the building's history.'

http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?t=4111&start=15


Leuchter can still practice Engineering in 49 states. Just because a technicality in Massachusetts does not allow him to practice in Massachusetts does not mean, he cannot practice in other states. His report has also been substaniated by Rudolf and other engineers.

Leuchter's samples still stand as evidence to be tested by independent laboratories.

JAN MARKIEWICZ - Inconsistencies with Scientific Procedure, why has his cyanide samples not been tested by independent laboratories?

When the Markiewicz study does not have it's samples independently tested, it is known as a fraud in the scientific community.

The only forensic cyanide test that has been tested by independent laboratories has been Leuchter and Rudolf reports -- the critical analysis. Jews have been known to defraud people, and they refuse to have independent testing of their claims for cyanide samples.
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References

[1] The Massachusetts Board of Registration of Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors:

A: http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/13-45.htm
B: http://www.mass.gov/dpl/boards/en/

[2] The Missouri Board of Registration of Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors: http://pr.mo.gov/apelsla.asp

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The Leuchter Report: Sustained



Fred A. Leuchter, Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolf: The Leuchter Reports. Critical Edition


The "Holocaust" is often characterized as the greatest crime in the history of mankind. Yet for 44 years not a single forensic investigation into this alleged crime was ever undertaken. This changed in 1988, when Fred A. Leuchter, the American expert for execution technologies, was asked by German-Canadian Ernst Zndel to go to Poland and investigate the facilities in the Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek camps, which are claimed to have served as chemical slaughterhouses for hundreds of thousands of victims -- also called "gas chambers." Leuchter changed the course of history when he concluded in his report: "There were no execution gas chambers at any of these locations."

http://www.vho.org/store/USA/bresult.php?ID=186

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Jewish Emmigration out of Europe

4. Of Victims, and Persons Missing and Found


4.1. The Number of Victims, i.e., Missing Persons

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html

Sanning: 1,113,153

4.3. The Exodus - the Return of Missing Persons
After the war there was a large-scale migration, especially of the European population of Jewish faith, which has become known as the modern Exodus.

Since Benz usually calculates the numbers of victims from the difference between pre- and post-war populations, this cannot but result in a great margin of error. Sanning, on the other hand, presents a summary of Jewish immigration into non-European nations, which is reproduced in the above table (S173). These data has never been refuted, not even by Benz, so that one may assume that the figures are correct.

Sanning shows that in 1970 there were still some 860,000 Jews in formerly German-occupied Europe, excluding the Soviet Union (S174). Since the Jews of western Europe exhibited next to no population increase after the war, then in light of the post-war emigration (some 1.548 million, cf. above table) at least 2,408,000 Jews must have lived in the formerly German-occupied non-Soviet parts of Europe after the war. Sanning determines that immediately after the war only 1,443,000 Jews were statistically located in formerly German-occupied non-Soviet Europe (S157), while 1.1 million were considered missing (cf. Table above)

Immigration of European Jews Before and After the Second World War

Destination

Before the war
293,000 (‘32-‘44).....Palestine
406,000 (‘33-‘43)....USA[1]
180,000 (‘30s).......Latin America
90,000 (‘30s)......Canada, Australia, England, South Africa

After the war

73,000 (‘45-‘48)....Palestine
585,000 (‘48-‘70)....Israel
490,000....USA[1]
150,000...Latin America
250,000.......Canada, Australia, England, South Africa



TOTAL

969,000.....Before the war

1,548,000.....After the war

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References

[1] I. Arndt, W. Scheffler, VfZ 24 (1976) p. 105.

Since the Jews of western Europe exhibited next to no population increase after the war, then in light of the post-war emigration (some 1.548 million, cf. above table) at least 2,408,000 Jews must have lived in the formerly German-occupied non-Soviet parts of Europe after the war. Sanning determines that immediately after the war only 1,443,000 Jews were statistically located in formerly German-occupied non-Soviet Europe (S157), while 1.1 million were considered missing (cf. Table above).

In any case, however, it indicates that the Jewish population in formerly German-occupied non-Soviet Europe very likely did not suffer any losses ranging into the millions during World War Two.

Red Cross site says only evidence for 74,000 names for Auschwtiz (half are estimated to be Jews, roughly 37,000) who died of starvation due to Henry Morgenthau's Plan of switching Allied bombing from military targets to railway and food supply lines.

If only 37,000 Polish Jews died at Auschwitz, then most of them emmigrated out either before or after the war.

http://www.redcross.org/services/int...ace/facts.html

So where is the evidence for 6 million? Red Cross says only evidence for 74,000.

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Repeating a lie does not make it true.


From the same site regarding Missouri - tell us how Leuchter will qualify?


EXAMINATION APPLICANTS

Please answer the following questions before completing an application form.

Do you hold a Bachelor of Science degree in engineering accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology, Inc. (ABET)? An engineering technology degree is not acceptable.
Have you taken and passed the Fundamentals of Engineering Examination?
Have you acquired at least four (4) years of satisfactory engineering experience following the date you received your ABET accredited Bachelor of Science in engineering degree?
If you answered “no” to any of the above questions, call the Board office, (573) 751-0047.

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Sanning

Sanning's arguments are addressed in detail in John Zimmerman's book "Holocaust Denial" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2000).

Here's just a sample debunking (pp. 2-5; most footnotes omitted):

"The number of Jews counted in the Polish census of 1931 was 3,113,900. Estimate of the Jewish population in 1939, the year Poland was invaded by Germany and the Soviet Union, place the population between 3.3 and 3.5 million. In _The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry_ ... Walter Sanning tried to depopulate Poland of its Jews so that few would come under German control. He placed the actual number of Jews in Poland at the war's outbreak in 1939 at 2,664,000.

He did this by citing a statement in publication by Munich's Institute of Contemporary History that in the years following 1933 about 100,000 Jews annually emigrated from Poland. The Institute gives no source for this assertion. In fact, this is the only mention of Polish emigration in the article. [...]

The official Polish figure for the years 1931-1937 place total Jewish emigration at 109,716. These figures were published in 1940, before the Holocaust, so that Sanning could not claim they were "politically motivated". The figure also gave a breakdown at to which countries the Polish Jews immigrated. A Jewish emigration of the size claimed by the Institute would surely have been noticed. However, there is no mention of such a large scale emigration in any of the studies dealing with Polish Jews in the inter war years from 1919-1939. [...]

Sanning did not take into consideration that there were simlpy not enough outlets for Jewish emigration of the size claimed. Most Polish-Jewish immigration from 1930 onwards was to Palestine. However, there were severe restriction on immigration to Palestine and Polish-Jews had to compete against other Jews. [...]

Faced with an overwhelming amount of evidence that the Polish-Jewish emigration of 100,000 annually could not have taken place, most scholars would probably relegate the Institute's statement to a footnote. At the very least, any serious writer who wanted to use such a number would ask the Institute how it obtained its figures and where these alleged emigrants went. It is obvious that Sanning never did this. However, this writer did make such an inquiry of the Institute. The Institute's reply failed to shed any light on its figures

[Footnote:"I wrote to the Institute on April 18, 1996 citing the official statistics. I asked how the Institute arrived at the 100,000 annual number and where these Jews immigrated to. In the reply of May 22, 1996 I was only referred to the article, which the Institute sent me. However, as noted above, the article does not address these issues."]

This would not be the first time that Sanning seized at a number, no matter how tenuous, and used it as authority while ignoring all contrary evidence. He would usually justify his sources by stating that they were "Zionist" or "Jewish". He incorrectly call the Institute "Pro-Zionist", and stated that its figures were right while the official figures are subject to doubt. However, Sanning could not trace these emigrants to any country. He simply said they went to Palestine, South America and Western European countries without providing any details. The official figures trace the destinations as well as the departures.

After creating a fictitious emigration from Poland, Sanning argued ... that many of them went to the United States between 1933 and 1943. Official United States immigration figures for Jews from 1933 and 1943 show a total of 168,128 entered from all countries. However, Sanning never gives a country by country breakdown of Jewish immigration. In fact, very few of these Jews were from Poland. Total Polish-Jewish immigration into the United States from 1933-1943 was approximately 9,300. The official annual immigration for all Poles was 6,524 per year. However, actual Polish immigration never cam close to the quota. This should have alerted Sanning that only a few of his 100,000 annual could have come to the United States. [...]

Sanning had to attempt to place as many Polish-Jews in the United States as possible because they would then be out of the German sphere of influence...

Information from the Census of Religious Bodies shows 4,777,647 Jews in the United States in 1937 compared to 4,228,029 in 1927. Sanning decided that the growth was too large by 326,000 to be accounted for by natural increase (excess births over death). He made this determination ... by projecting the annual national increase of the United States onto the Jewish population. However, a national growth rate is not necessarily indicative of any group. Most Jewish immigrants from 1880-1917 were from Eastern Europe and had high fertility rates. Sanning could have seen this if he had compared Jewish natural increase from 1928-1937 to the natural increase from 1918-1927. From 1918-1927 natural increase was 524,000 comparted to a natural increase of 470,000 from 1928-1937. The Jewish population in 1938 was 3,388,951 and 4,228,029 in 1927. Therefore, the decade from 1918-1927 not only saw a larger precentage natural increase in Jewish population but a larger quantitative natural increase on a smaller base population. Jewish natural increase was placed at 75,000 annually in 1914.

Sanning then quoted an article by American Jewish demographer Mark Wischnitzer published in 1944 where he estimated the Jewish population at 5,199,200. Sanning states ... that the rise by 429,000 from the 1937 United States Census of Religious Bodies is "much too large for any possible natural increase." But Wischnitzer never said that the increase was due soley to natural causes. In fact the number Wischnitzer used came from the _American Jewish Yearbook_. The increase was the result of immigration of 149,344 from 1937-1943 and an estimated natural increase of 279,209. The estimated natural increase over a six year period is quite reasonable when compared to the natural increase over the previous years. Moreover, Sanning's use of Wischnitzer is instructive. In 1942 Wischnitzer had traced the migration of Jews from Europe and had used the official Polish figures for Jewish emigration. Sanning ignored _this_ study by Wischnitzer yer attempted to use _another_ Wischnitzer article to convey a meaning which was not only never intended, but totally unwarranted."

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This is the same record center referenced in the opening post on this thread.

http://www.cjp.org/page.html?ArticleID=144821

Nazi records tell grim tale of starvation and disease
Jean-Baptiste Piggin, dpa
04/29/2007

Bad Arolsen, Germany (dpa) - Liberation was just four weeks away on January 18, a winter's day in 1945, when the prisoners at the filthy and overcrowded Gross-Rosen Nazi concentration camp submitted to a regular census of head-lice.

Six lice were found, one on each of six heads. The men's surnames were noted.

The records, possibly compiled by a "cooperative" senior prisoner in a subtle show of contempt for his Nazi captors, are among the rare documents surviving from that camp, where prisoners were worked to death in a quarry at what is now Rogoznica, Poland.

Kept safe for half a century at a Red Cross archives in Germany, the lice-count was shown recently to a Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa reporter and will be available to historians in a few months when privacy rules at the document centre in Bad Arolsen are eased.

For some long-dead prisoners, the Gross-Rosen louse lists could be the sole record for posterity of their incarceration.

Many documents have vanished.

Nazi record-keeping was patchy. On the rail platform at the Auschwitz extermination camp, no record at all was kept of the victims selected for the gas chambers. Their removal from some other prison camp is the last documentary evidence of their lives.

In this archipelago of Nazi horrors, only the bureaucratic records of Buchenwald concentration camp are relatively complete, including questionnaires and lists of personal effects filled out and signed by the prisoners themselves.

The death registers from the camps tell a grim story of starvation and disease. One of the camps' registers, after a series of pneumonia deaths, lists the day's work of a firing squad between 11.22 am and 12.34 pm: three dozen deaths at 2-minute intervals.

The scope of the Red Cross International Tracing Service (ITS) collection goes well beyond the Holocaust. About two-thirds of the documents at the Bad Arolsen archives were compiled under Allied authority after the Second World War.

Refugees at displaced-persons camps were questioned about their ethnic origins, ordeals under the Nazis and names of lost relatives. Some survivors in the camps were exposed as perpetrators of Nazi crimes, not victims. Some slipped through the net.

The Allied Powers also obliged German vital-records offices to compile complete lists of forced labourers and other foreigners who had been on German soil between 1939 and 1945.

The lists for practically every town and factory in the country offer a previously secret insight into the Nazi war organization.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2267927.shtml

The storerooms are immense: 16 miles of shelves holding the stories of 17 million victims – not only Jews, but slave laborers, political prisoners and homosexuals.

http://www.its-arolsen.org/english/index.html
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This is the same record center.....
No it's not.


Backup from 4.15.07 - Still right back in your Face Jew.

The Red Cross says only about 280,000 died in the camps, of which only half of those were Jews. Which matches the German 2006 Federal Government figure as well.


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The Red Cross does not support you, no revisionist even makes the absud claim that no Jews were deported from Hungary in 1944.
Germar Rudolf and Sanning estimate Hungarian Jews deported to factories at about 71,000.

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1939 87.1 million (we can see how accurate the Almanac is now)

1950 50.8 mill + 18.4 Mill (Germany) = 69.2 million

Well you've got a problem because the Red Cross documented the deaths and they are 296,081 for all the camps, and only half of those are Jews. Where did the Jews go? They left Europe for the USSR and the USA.


Documented deaths in
German concentration camps

as of Jan. 1, 1993
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html#ftn7

Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis
W. Benz and W. N. Sanning - A Comparison

GERMAR RUDOLF

"Jews probably constitute about half of the total."

The ICRC's Special Office in Arolsen keeps track of all officially documented deaths in German concentration camps of the Third Reich. A summary from January 1, 1993, documents 296,081 deaths. The distribution of these deaths among the individual camps is shown in the accompanying table.

Total

296,081



Auschwitz

60,056



Bergen-Belsen

6,853



Buchenwald


20,687



Dachau


18,456




Flossenbürg

18,334



Groß-Rosen

10,951



Majdanek

8,831


Mauthausen
(more than Auschwitz)

78.859



Mittelbau

7,468



Natzweiler


4,431



Neuengamme


5,785



Ravensbrück


3,639



Sachsenhausen


5.014



Stutthof


12,634



Theresienstadt


29,375


Other camps
(Treblinka 305 deaths)

4,704
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Total

296,081


http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html#ftn7


The Red Cross statistics only show about 148,000 Jews as having died in close relation to the camps.

148,000 Jews died in all of the German work camps, probably from Morgenthau's bombing of the the food supply to try to starve them off to create Israel.

Do your Phade's Phora Phags disregard the official Red Cross statements? So does Th..th..th..The Phora....Phade of the Phora Phuck Phags also disregard the official Red Cross figures?

Red Cross even on their own website state tehre is only evidence for 74,000 deaths at Auschwitz, probably half of those Jews (37,000).


So where's the evidence for the 6 million.

I'm still waiting...
 
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