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Old July 12th, 2008 #1061
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What IS moronic is believing 19 Arabs who were never once captured on ANY Airport CCTV camera or listed on ANY passenger manifest and must therefore have made themselves invisible, hijacked FOUR Airliners which on average had around 56 Passengers and crew armed with nothing other than small knives.
No you are not talking abouts facts there but debunked truthernoia, you see.

The victim's lists that the CNN put forth quite quickly listed most of the known victims, not the suspected purps. More actual lists were published quite quickly as well, which did list the hijackers names.
http://graphics.boston.com/news/pack...1_manifest.gif
http://www.911myths.com/html/officia...st_images.html

Official manifests thereof can more thoroughly be obtained here;
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notable...n/OG00010.html

The above and more is detailed here;
http://www.911myths.com/html/no_hija...manifests.html

Bernie got it wrong again, no surprise there.

Concerning the airport video/footage, read these;
http://www.911myths.com/html/hanjour_video.html

Here's a bit more info on the hijackers, ID cards, Hotel logs, flight manifest, video capture etc etc;
http://www.911myths.com/html/hijackers.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/hijacke...and_links.html
http://test.rewardsforjustice.net/en...fm?page=Sept11

Evidence;
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notable...osecution.html
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notable...on/MM01005.pdf

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch5.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in311329.shtml
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm
http://www.faqs.org/docs/911/911Report-179.html

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002...02mueller.html

The below excerpt is from this site; http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Hijackers
"Airport security footage
Dulles International Airport, where American Airlines Flight 77 originated, had video surveillance at security checkpoints. Video was captured, showing each of the five hijackers (Khalid al-Mihdar, Majed Moqed, Nawaq al-Hazmi, Salem al-Hazmi and Hani Hanjour) passing through security shortly before Flight 77 departed.[6]

*Passenger manifests
These were originally obtained by Terry McDermott, the author of Perfect Soldiers, which details the background of the hijackers, and how they became involved in the 9/11 attacks.

Flight 11: page 1 page 2 page 3
Flight 175: page 1
Flight 77: page 1 page 2
Flight 93: page 1

Bernie got it wrong again, no surprise there.

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These (invisible) Arabs were completely unable to fly a Cessna puddle jumper but they were able to manoeuvre HUGE passenger Jets at near speed-of-sound speed and fly them with unerring precision into the three targets.
You mean, rather, half speed-of-sound speed, ie 0,5 mach's about. *sigh*
Another inaccurate piece of truthernoia. The hijacker-pilots all had commercial licenses on flying those planes.
An excerpt from here;
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Avery conducts an interview with Marcel Bernard, chief flight instructor at Freeway Airport in Maryland. Hani Hanjour came to Freeway a month before the attacks to rent a plane. During the interview, Bernard talks about his experience flying with Hanjour, stating that he had trouble with the landing and average or below-average skills. But before this, he states that Hanjour already had his private, instrument, and commercial licenses. I guess we're just supposed to ignore that? Another statement by Bernard conflicts with Avery's implication that Hanjour couldn't have flown Flight 77:

"Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said."
If the flight instructor felt that there was no doubt he could have flown it, why doubt it then?

Oh No Not Another Expert! (by Giulio Bernacchia, ex pilot of the Italian airforce and commercial airlines, on the hijackers and how it is misleading to state that they required superior piloting skills to do what they did.)

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Like Lazarus, at least SEVEN of these (invisible) Arabian supermen managed to SURVIVE the impacts because they kinda turned up in Arabia a few weeks after 911.
Wow, yet another smelly turd of a canard, thoroughly debunked though. Seriously, I thought truthers had given up on this one at least out of embarresment, I guess I shouldn't give truthers that much credit of brains.

I've made these posts here before several times, which you weren't able to counter. But, like Hitler said about jews, you and the general truther ilk wait awhile after having had your arses handed to you, then re-post your initial nonsense and act as if the previous refutation never took place, acting ignorant of having been informed on your error.

Here is a post of mine where the above nonsense is laid to rest with factual and corroborated material;
*Why are 11 of the 19 alledged Hijackers still alive? Answer; they are not.

Bernie got it wrong again, no surprise there.

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Two planes hit TWO buildings in Jew York and ALL SEVEN buildings are destroyed. And the TAXPAYER picks up the the clean up tab! Lucky Larry gets the $7.2 Billion in Insurance fraud money and goes home to dance around the Golden Calf.
Is your cerebral cortex made of teflon? How long will you continue to re-post the given claims after they've been addressed and debunked six ways from Sunday. I recall during my last incarnation here on VNN I must have handed you your arse on this one at least four times. Enough already, research the issue before blabbing on, purporting the one incorrect claim after the other.

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Seven years later, 250 Million Americans KNOW the official story is bullshit and there are still little fleas like you rattling away at the Keyboard attempting to cover up for BIG JEW by peddling the CRAP which is the BIG JEWISH LIE Hitler himself described so eloquently in his book.
No, this is the Zogby myth, a handful of truthers desperately try anything to inflate their numbers, deriving a whole hen-farm from a feather when possible. They are actually a dying group of conspiracy nutts. There is a difference between them and those who might be skeptical but not adhere to any specific conspiracy theory, and can not be categorized as truthers and certainly not used by truthers to inflate their hopeless cause.

Also, Bernie, do you not realize just how much you are hurting the credibility of actual critique on jewry, especially with your foaming and irrational sight of viewing everything through one dimension, invoking the supernatural "joo" at every turn exagerating the whole issue beyond coherent grasp? Wether you will admit to it or not, the best thing going for jewry on this forum is to have posters like Bernie destroying any intellectual counterbility and credibility of white racialism.
No, it is as I said before; The basic problem that moronic CT'ers and truthers have is that they have no concistent, coherent and certainly not factual corroboration to their heiferdust. They play into the hands of the opposition so willingly, convincing themselves that they are somehow "fighting" the oppositon yet only ends up serving moreso than any garden variety anti could hope to do. It's repulsive, frankly, and nonsensical.
 
Old July 17th, 2008 #1062
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Hey Foreskin,

The mere fact that you respond to my comments and POST so many 'debunking' links tells me this:

You and countless others like you are part of the cover up for the mass execution of around three THOUSAND innocent people on 911. You don't paste those links in for me to read, you do it so others who might be browsing this site having read what I (and others of my persuasion) are saying: Namely that Jews and their tribe, together with treasonous gentile accomplices demolished those building and they used a spectacular aerial diversion to blame fanatical Arabs.

You and your handlers know that the internet has now become a major source of information and on many a site such information has not passed through the Jewish filter. In other words the MSM Jewsmedia is Kosher while many news sites on the www are very distinctly UNkosher.

Jews have been around swindling goys for long enough to know that if they are to survive they MUST control what 'news' is fit for gentiles to know. If the newsmedia were genuinely reporting 911 there would have been trials followed by public executions long ago, there would have been no war in Iraq and Ron Paul would be a certainty to be elected POTUS.
 
Old July 20th, 2008 #1063
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Hey Foreskin,

The mere fact that you respond to my comments and POST so many 'debunking' links tells me this:

You and countless others like you are part of the cover up for the mass execution of around three THOUSAND innocent people on 911. You don't paste those links in for me to read, you do it so others who might be browsing this site having read what I (and others of my persuasion) are saying: Namely that Jews and their tribe, together with treasonous gentile accomplices demolished those building and they used a spectacular aerial diversion to blame fanatical Arabs.

You and your handlers know that the internet has now become a major source of information and on many a site such information has not passed through the Jewish filter. In other words the MSM Jewsmedia is Kosher while many news sites on the www are very distinctly UNkosher.

Jews have been around swindling goys for long enough to know that if they are to survive they MUST control what 'news' is fit for gentiles to know. If the newsmedia were genuinely reporting 911 there would have been trials followed by public executions long ago, there would have been no war in Iraq and Ron Paul would be a certainty to be elected POTUS.
Wow, not that was a rather long and jew-myopic way of you saying;
"I can't counter any of your pesky on-point refutations. You are a jew if you expect me to concede, retract or counter-argue where I have been proven false."
 
Old July 20th, 2008 #1064
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On 30 November 2007 Francesco Cossiga stated in an interview with the respected Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera his doubts about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 in New York. The following is a rough translation of part of the interview:

“ From circles around Palazzo Chigi, nerve centre of direction of Italian intelligence, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is testified from the fact that Osama bin Laden in it 'confessed' that Al Qaeda would have been the author of the attack of the 11 September to the Twin Towers in New York, while all of the democratic circles of America and of Europe, with in the forefront those of the Italian centre-left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan. For this, no word of solidarity arrived to Silvio Berlusconi, who has been the author of the brilliant falsification, neither from the Quirinale, nor from Palazzo Chigi, nor from representatives of the centre-left!
 
Old July 20th, 2008 #1065
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Wow, not that was a rather long and jew-myopic way of you saying;
"I can't counter any of your pesky on-point refutations. You are a jew if you expect me to concede, retract or counter-argue where I have been proven false."
Is what you are trying to tell us that Iraque, Afghanistan, Iran and the war on terror is to be seen as disconnected from 911?
 
Old July 21st, 2008 #1066
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Is what you are trying to tell us that Iraque, Afghanistan, Iran and the war on terror is to be seen as disconnected from 911?
No I wouldn't go that far at all. The more political the claim is the more speculative in tends to get, which is why I generally find it easier to bone down the technical issues and the on-day activity of 9/11. I'm not arguing on behalf nor against the arguments that, for example, the Mossad was involved or what have you.

Still, I did make a post on this a while ago on SF.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...6&postcount=88
 
Old July 21st, 2008 #1067
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Here's an interesting link to an article and subsequent discussion about Cossiga's statement, translations given by italian posters in the commentary below the article and their view on it.

http://activistnyc.wordpress.com/200...an-inside-job/

Here's a thread on it at JREF;
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100367
 
Old July 25th, 2008 #1068
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Listen foreskin,

Nobody gives a rats ass about your links because they know what you're trying to do; which is DIVERT ATTENTION from the hard core discussions of 911 being an INSIDE JOB, perpetrated by tribal jews who are deeply ensconced in every nook and winkle of the government in the US.

You see, we KNOW what happened on 911.

No amount of your feeble bullshit will convince anyone that 19 Skinny Arabs managed to overpower on average 50 to 60 adults on board FOUR planes within 15 minutes of each other, stand down NORAD (!) and do what is claimed they they did.

That story is a big fat jooish LIE!

Get it?
 
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Listen foreskin,

Nobody gives a rats ass about your links because they know what you're trying to do; which is DIVERT ATTENTION from the hard core discussions of 911 being an INSIDE JOB, perpetrated by tribal jews who are deeply ensconced in every nook and winkle of the government in the US.

You see, we KNOW what happened on 911.

No amount of your feeble bullshit will convince anyone that 19 Skinny Arabs managed to overpower on average 50 to 60 adults on board FOUR planes within 15 minutes of each other, stand down NORAD (!) and do what is claimed they they did.

That story is a big fat jooish LIE!

Get it?
You have decided, beforhand, that (due to your personal jews running around in your cortex) it is all a lie unless it fingers the FDNY, NYPD, most if not all the branches of the US Government and ultimately jews and/or Israel. You just decided upon that before researching the facts. After you had decided this, you went on to swallow whatever Alex Jones or Griffin etc spoon-fed you, as opposed to actually do some researching with a functional brain.

If I had been wrong about you, well... then you wouldn't, as soon as you were challenged on-point factual argumentation, be whining like a hooker who had suddenly lost her night's fair.
No instead, had you had the knowledge and factual certainty you profess, you'd be debunking my arguments point by point. But no... you make claims which I debunk six ways from sunday and then come back with a whining, sleazy, jew-foaming response, accusing me of diverting discussion. Mmm holy cow what a retort, the intellect, the rhetoric, Sokrates beware!

Bernie, you are not looking for a discussion nor a debate, you are looking for people to pat you on your back, accept whatever horseshit you push only then to share some caramells.

NOW, either go back and refute point for point what I had debunked you on (which wouldn't be too hard had you been able to do so);
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...postcount=1165

Or... pipe your wind-hole!
 
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Foreskin

I have better things to do than debate with a low ranking member of the Jewish 911 cover-up team. You know dam well 911 was done by Jews.

Go choke on a pork pie.
 
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Foreskin

I have better things to do than debate with a low ranking member of the Jewish 911 cover-up team. You know dam well 911 was done by Jews.

Go choke on a pork pie.
Gestuelptes foreskin made me wonder about his genuinity for a moment
but in spite of all his friendly PMs he is a -tool without any doubt.

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Old July 26th, 2008 #1072
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I have better things to do than debate with a low ranking member of the Jewish 911 cover-up team. You know dam well 911 was done by Jews.

Go choke on a pork pie.
Yes of course, you certainly have all the time in the world to make the claims but cannot be bothered with having to defend them which should be simple enough... had you been more knowledgable about these matters as opposed to an uncritical "twoof-believer".

I noticed Tuisto feels that people like I who take on things like point by point and back it up with factual context and ample sourcing are a tool for the jews.

Here is what I think, that "da jooz" will probably prefer your average blind truther continue to make claims (that I can and have debunked a million times already) which furthers the image of crackpottery amongst white nationalists and racialists thereof.
There is nothing that serves the opposition as efficiently as to have a batch of irrational blind believers make the arguments and claims for the other side.
 
Old August 8th, 2008 #1073
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Francesco Cossiga, a former president of Italy claims the Mossad and CIA did 911. Adreas Bulow the former German defense minister said the same thing almost immediately after 911. Hundreds of engineers, explosive experts, Airline Pilots, people from around the World have come out and said the same openly. The 911 Kean commissioners THEMSELVES have said their investigation was hampered. The same commission never even MENTIONED the strange inexplicable collapse of WTC7. Thousands of federal employees were sent warnings not to talk to anyone about anything they might know or suspect about 911. If surveys are to be believed, over 80% of Americans think the official 911 story is a LIE. That's over 200 million people.

Yet on every 911 internet discussion site there sits a twerp like foreskin, trying to steer discussion and Jewish involvement away from the truth. Put simply, for all to understand; the TRUTH is 911 was an INSIDE JOB, ORCHESTRATED BY TRIBAL JEWS who infest every corner of the American government. It is kept hidden in plain sight by Jews who own the Media, anyone who comes out and challenges it is ridiculed and risks career destruction.

The biggest risk for the millions of Jews in America is if Joe Six Pack gets wise to the who and how of the 911 mass murder & deception. If that happens at a time of economic depression, which now at least seems to be a severe possibility, the stage is set for the rise of an extreme move to the right along the lines of Germany in the 1930's. If that happens and a real leader emerges which would certainly be the case, 200 million armed-to-the-teeth white Americans will make what happened to the inner party in 1930's Germany look like a Sunday picnic.

That explains why why they have twerps like foreskin on all 911 discussion threads.
 
Old August 9th, 2008 #1074
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Francesco Cossiga, a former president of Italy claims the Mossad and CIA did 911.
Not effectively no but it's addressed here;
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...postcount=1171

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Hundreds of engineers, explosive experts, Airline Pilots, people from around the World have come out and said the same openly.
No there hasn't been been hundreds of engineers or explosive experts etc, certainly not if you are referring to Gage's site filled with fabricated accounts and several non-existant engineers. The ones that are real predominantely remain silent or have expressed a concern for continued research, very few has called it an inside job and even fewer have blaimed the Mossad or CIA. Explosive experts? Well you have Jowenko (on WTC7, not the other WTC's).

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The 911 Kean commissioners THEMSELVES have said their investigation was hampered. The same commission never even MENTIONED the strange inexplicable collapse of WTC7. Thousands of federal employees were sent warnings not to talk to anyone about anything they might know or suspect about 911. If surveys are to be believed, over 80% of Americans think the official 911 story is a LIE. That's over 200 million people.
You basically bring up all of the claims once more that I have in detail already clarified and rebutted, to which you have FAILED in returning with any form of counter argument. I could go on and repeat the posts ad nauseum until you find the backbone and intellectual capability to wrip them apart... but if you could do that then you would have done it already.

Care to go back and refute the categorical on-point critiques I've given you? It would at least show you are capable of something beyond "jooish" evasion tactics which is to make the claim, ignore critiques and then wait a while, make the original claim once more and then act ignorant of any previous debate or critique having taken place.

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Yet on every 911 internet discussion site there sits a twerp like foreskin, trying to steer discussion and Jewish involvement away from the truth.
I challenge, on point, various claims by nonsensical truthers claiming "itz da twoof". I've given you every possible oppertunity of defending your case against my critique, but instead you ignore it, engage in character assassination alone and then move on to either repeat the debunked claims or make a new one. Mmm what a twoof-warrior indeed.

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That explains why why they have twerps like foreskin on all 911 discussion threads.
The truthers that lack sufficient understanding and knowledge about this matter, those like yourself that is, will not engage in any actual debate with those pesky facts since they are not arguing from confident factual knowledge but rather from articles of faith and pop-conspiratorial speculations that when challenged begins to apply polemic run-arounds instead. Bernie, you've never been able to counter-argue anything I've said, you have however showed your ability to whine and whine and whine about how the obvious "twoof" is attacked by posts like mine, posts you have never been able to address on point.

Now, why is that?
 
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I suppose the only way to determine with absolute certainty whether WTC #1 and #2 could have collapsed the way they did, almost straight down at close to free-fall speed to ground level, each after being hit by a jetliner, is to build exact replicas of those towers and fly jets into them, then sit and watch for a few hours to see if they collapse the same way. Has anybody by any chance attempted to build scale models of the towers and try flying some model jets into them? How big of a model would you have to build to give accurate results? I'm not an architect so I can't tell but hopefully there are some truth seeking architects out there who will do just that.

In the weeks immediately following the attacks I distinctly remember the MSM perpetrating the lie that the weight bearing structure of the towers was in the outside walls. Years later, thanks to the internet of course, I learn that each of the towers had 48 interconnected steel columns in the core which were specifically designed to withstand jetliner collisions. This is one of many reasons why I don't trust the government (American, Canadian or any other anti White government).
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Anyone with a working brain can see that no planes could have knocked those towers down.
 
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Anyone with a working brain can see that no planes could have knocked those towers down.
Heh, especially when the design schematics accounted for contingencies on a far larger scale. 9/11 was Operation Northwoods part 2. Nothing more. And you can bet your missouri ass that they will do it again when it so befits them.
 
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Heh, especially when the design schematics accounted for contingencies on a far larger scale. 9/11 was Operation Northwoods part 2. Nothing more. And you can bet your missouri ass that they will do it again when it so befits them.
I love how no matter what site you go to, you come across a sophist, jewing as if his life depended on it.

You can prove the sky isn't blue, but I'm not going to try to prove it is.

The buildings were designed, as you say, to withstand MULTIPLE airplane hits. Even if the designers were totally incompetent, towers falling as result of plane hits would never have come down in anything like the way they did. Again, obvious to anyone who dares believe his own eyes. Then when you throw in the fact that the attack fit a long-established Zionist pattern of false flags, and that Zionists had written publicly of the need for a New Pearl Harbor, the conclusion is inescapable.
 
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I love how no matter what site you go to, you come across a sophist, jewing as if his life depended on it.

You can prove the sky isn't blue, but I'm not going to try to prove it is.

The buildings were designed, as you say, to withstand MULTIPLE airplane hits. Even if the designers were totally incompetent, towers falling as result of plane hits would never have come down in anything like the way they did. Again, obvious to anyone who dares believe his own eyes.
Well, then again the Towers did not come down due to the airplane hits but a convergency of critical variables all available and excessible for anyone here to scrutinize, it is surprising for me to see that truthers still peddle the old "the Towers did not come down just because of the airplane impacts" as if the argument that it did is made anywhere in any technical report.
The Towers did withstand the impact from the planes, just not the subsequent damage.
 
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Well, then again the Towers did not come down due to the airplane hits but a convergency of critical variables all available and excessible for anyone here to scrutinize, it is surprising for me to see that truthers still peddle the old "the Towers did not come down just because of the airplane impacts" as if the argument that it did is made anywhere in any technical report.
The Towers did withstand the impact from the planes, just not the subsequent damage.
What caused WTC 7 to collapse?
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