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You know, I've been following VNN ever since the days when Bill White was in charge, and there's one thing I have never understood about VNN and all these other "nationwide" efforts that attempt to convince our people that it is somehow possible for a Movement as tiny and as fractured as ours to take back the entire country from Sea To Shining Sea and make all the minorities and Jews and fags and whatnot vanish in a puff of smoke, and then all of a sudden we're back in the days of Ozzie and Harriet and the Brady Bunch, cardigan sweaters and white bread and real butter on the table and taking your best gal to the sock hop and so forth and so on, you get the picture....
Leaving aside the question of whether the "good old days" really were ever that good in reality, and whether or not we should be trying to bring them back, exactly how is it to be done? I've been following all this for nearly ten years now, and other than the Northwest Imperative I have yet to see sign one of any kind of bona fide, serious, adult, well-thought-out and feasible plan. A plan that is based out here in the real world and not on a computer screen. Is there is fact such an alternative plan? Can anyone direct me to it? Can anyone respond other than by shouting abuse at Harold Covington? If not, why not? |
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Yes, you've repeatedly posed this sea-to-shining-sea vs one state. It is but your conceit that one is easier or even merely different from the other. In fact they are exactly the same problem. ZOG isn't going to cede an inch, your fictional conceit notwithstanding. Your strategy is essentially "let one flower bloom," which is even better for ZOG than Mao's let a thousand flowers bloom. The point of allowing the blooming is to ease the identification preceding the chopping. You get all the anti-ZOG forces in one area and ZOG will chop it to ribbons. My opinion? No, not my opinion, fact. Look what ZOG did at Waco, and they weren't even White, just religious kooks. Then look at what ZOG did to the unregenerate Mormons who decided to open a second homestead in the wilds of Texas. It trumped up charges and pounced. The minute any movement threatened to come within 100 miles of being viable, let's define that as having the power politically to take over a single county, let alone an entire state, ZOG would move to kill. Again, not my opinion, fact. See what ZOG did to bagwan shree rajneesh in the heart of your very own NW, in Oregon. And he wasn't even White, just a religious leader. Your fiction is fantasy, dear Harold. You simply begin at a point after which all of these technical problems are already solved. The NW is teeming with WN; the mass of non-WN supports WN as the sea supports fish. From that standpoint, sure, the endgame is as fun and breezy as you make it sound. But getting to that point is the real problem, and not only have you not solved that problem, you have not even acknowledged it. Quote:
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But that's not what it's all about in the NW Imperative... it's about regular citizens going about their lives... if necessary, some of them eventually waging a guerrilla-style war against big, bad ZOG... you know, ZOG... those guys who couldn't defeat Charlie in an area far smaller than the Pacific NW... the guys with their hands full of the latest technology and weaponry, yet who can't seem to satisfactorily subjugate a pack of rag-tag renegade camel jockeys? |
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All seriousness aside, I don't know the guy from Adam, nor do I imagine I'll ever run into him. But I know that I love the music of Wagner, even though I understand he was quite the impertinent jackanapes himself. |
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I feel that you are right that the south will be more fertile for local recruits initially, but if we make the assumption that what we need to establish is a 90% plus white nation state, then the south has a huge problem. As a whole, particularly the militant white areas, the South has a higher non-white percentage than the U.S. average. We will probably get all whites in the U.S. to become much more racially conscious soon, and if we don't we might as well shoot ourselves right now, but it's a question wether the Southern whites will become militant enough to some how remove a third of the Southern population, some 12-15 million people. Even N.B. Forest turned against his own Klan organization. Also the non-whites in the South are more homogeniously Black, which means more unity in resistance to white "expansionism." And don't forget, the average illegal Mex's has been in the U.S. only 15 years or less. This is not their home. The Blacks have been here going on 400 years. They consider the South their home, and unlike the Mex's they didn't come voluntarily sneaking over the border. The means the Blacks are in a h--- of a lot stonger political position with respect to gaining white sympathy in the North, Midwest AND even in the South. Jimmy Carter types. As to Utah, it is land locked, which prevents out side assistance and we can assume ZOG will want to prevent white freedom. Tom Chittum mentioned in "Civil War Two" that accoring to Mao's dictum a succesfull insurgency (and I think a small independant state) needs outside assitance. Some where Chittum, with infantry Guerillla combat experience, recomended the Northwest as a good Gureilla area. Both the Southeast and Northwest have extensive harbors, but the Northwest is closer to Russia, by far our most likely usefull allie. Also Utah has a mormon cultural/political infrastructure and the LDS offically opted for diversity 20 years ago. Nothing is certain and these are all arguable points, but all the Northwest migration movement needs, accorind to the NF theory, is 50,000 white political activist. Soon the South alone could spare that many p.o.'d whites, and just 100,000 Bolshevik activist took over the Russian empire of 160,000,000. |
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The northwest has nothing to recommend it as a White nationalist mecca. If I happened to end up in the area it would be for my own reasons, and I'd have nothing to do with the few dozen Christian Identity nuts lurking in the woods.
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[Sigh...] First off, Alex, I am not Harold Covington, although concedo I use a pseudonym, because unlike some I do have a job and career to protect.
Try to understand, Alex..your saying something is so does not make it so. You are clearly motivated by little more than a bilious personal hatred for Harold Covington. I notice that you declined my invitation to lay out your own alternate plan. I think it is safe to say therefore that you have none. Your objections to the Northwest seem to be nothing more than a collection of very minor nit-picks, almost all of which are substantively addressed in the Northwest novels and in the White book. Personal hatred for one man is not a political program, Alex. Nor is it a solution to our ongoing racial crisis. |
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I'm sorry, I can't resist adding as a quick postscript that the NorthwestfrontPro YouTube site has gotten 35,800 channel views in less than a month of operation. Okay, granted, that's not Paris Hilton or Britney Spears Rave level exposure, but it ain't chicken feed. There is definitely something moving out there.
The fact is that Alex's opinion seems to be in a minority in the Movement. HAC said in one of his internal bulletins that over 1000 Brigades have been bought or otherwise distributed so far. He also says, and I can verify personally, that we are finally bringing in "normal" people from outside the Movement. We'll leave aside the question of how normal your typical White American is these days, but you get what I'm saying. We're talking about men (and more than a few women) who are uncontaminated by the Movement's happy horseshit, who think Glenn Miller is a 1940s band leader and who simply don't give a damn about all this weird esoteric how-many-Skinheads-can-dance-on-the-head-of-a-pin gibberish from the 1990s. Yes, it's a slow, slow process and it's incredibly frustrating. It's still very much three steps forward and two steps back. But the fact is that guys on VBulletin boards who rant and rave about things that happened 20 years ago (which they are usually incorrectly informed about anyway) are going to become less and less relevant to anything happening out here in the real world, which won't be difficult, since they're only barely relevant now, in the absence of anything else. |
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So, these courts that awarded this Williams fellow $200K... are these the same courts whose corruption is decried often on this and other forums? And $200K for libel or slander (or whatever)?!!! Sounds like an awfully golden reputation that was sullied. I'd guess the judge, probably jewish and well-aware of the personalities involved, was trying to make an example of Covington. Truth be told, if some judge said I had to pay $200K to somebody because of something I said/wrote, I'd probably skip town too... guess my character, like my wallet, just wouldn't stretch that far. Quote:
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No, you are not. Please remember that Alex Linder is not some kind of deity. A gnome, maybe, but not a god. Simply because he says something is so, that does not make it so.
You know what? This is starting to get silly now, as it always does, and I am falling into my old habit of internet addiction again. That's my fault. I had forgotten how mindlessly addictive these stupid things can be, but the fact is that I have a VBulletin problem just like others have drinking and gambling problems. (My addiction first manifested itself back in the days of Usenet. God, wasn't that a loony bin?) Anyway, I came back in for a bit in a way to see if I could handle it, but I don't like the warning signs. Just as an alcoholic shouldn't hang around in bars, I need to go cold turkey on this thread and lay off the VNN sauce, for a while, at least, before I fall completely off the wagon and start howling at the moon like so many other poor bastards on this board. So: I am terminating my participation in this thread. Rave away all you like, the rest of you, but I won't be reading it. I may check back in in a few days and glance over the rest of the board, but maybe not. No kidding; it really is an addiction and guys like Alex Linder in a way are in the same moral position as saloon owners, distillers, and casino operators. |
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Admittedly you're weak and have self-control issues. However this is not your fault. The blame rest solely with the presumably morally pernicious service provider, saloon owners, distillers, casino operators, and web forum operators. I see. Maybe you should enter a "twelve step" program and receive help for your "disease".
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I'm out here to see if I can link up with some WN's. I've posted about my activities with pictures in order to try and meet WN. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...=590490&page=9 I've met a couple of posters. That having been accomplished the next thing is to get my home in Florida sold before moving permanently. As Machiavelli wrote in "The Discourses" America is now so corrupt the sheeple are beginning to realize they can't change things by "normal means" and are beginning to use Machiavelli's "extraordinary means", rowdy town hall meetings and the 70,000 white 9/12 march on Washington. A lot of things that were impossible for us five years ago are going to become doable in the next couple of years. Getting together in little activist communities of WN'ist is job #1. You don't need to go to the Northwest to do that, although I've chose that course, but do it SOME WHERE. I'm not sure about NF actual politics but they do seem to have a number of internet posters. |
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literary insurrection
Did I tell you guys a hour ago a lot of things were going to
become possible for us the next two years? See, it's already starting to happen. Below is Buchaninens take on "The Oath Keeprs" Hey I'm eligible. Ex-Army infantry. Does an hours lead time qualify me as a profet? Think I'll join. That ota spif up my D.H.S. file. Patrick Buchanan on “Middle American Radicals” The TOQ Online News Desk From Taki’s Magazine, October 20, 2009 In the brief age of Obama, we have had “truthers,” “birthers,” Tea Party activists and town-hall dissenters. Comes now, the “Oath Keepers.” And who might they be? Writes Alan Maimon in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Oath Keepers, depending on where one stands, are “either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.” Formed in March, they are ex-military and police who repledge themselves to defend the Constitution, even if it means disobeying orders. If the U.S. government ordered law enforcement agencies to violate Second Amendment rights by disarming the people, Oath Keepers will not obey. |
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