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Default The absurdity of Shelby Steele, so-called 'conservative' black commentator

Other threads on Steele:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5344
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=7519

This man is not a typical nigger, so I wonder is he deluded, or just a con artist? He opposes 'Affirmative Action' but refuses to recognize he has been a beneficiary! And look at how he 'blames whitey' for black failure, just like all the other race hustlers.

This interview is with the 'American' Enterprise Institute, a jew-operated neoconservative 'think tank.'

"Live" with Shelby Steele
Quote:
Sixty years ago, Shelby Steele was born to a black truck driver and a white social worker in Chicago. His parents were active in the struggle for civil rights, and encouraged him to make the most of his personal opportunities.

After completing a doctorate in English, Steele taught literature at San Jose State University. In 1990, he received the National Book Critic’s Circle Award for his book, The Content of Our Character: A New Vision of Race in America.

Today, Steele is a research fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, where he focuses on race relations, multiculturalism, and affirmative action. His next book, White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era, will be released in May.

Steele was interviewed for TAE by California-based journalist Michael Robinson.

TAE: Your parents had a racially mixed marriage. You have a racially mixed marriage. ['Jungle fever,' Shelby? --L.D.] How has that affected your views on race?

STEELE: It has given me a profound advantage, because that entirely demystifies race.

My father was a poor black from the South, born in 1900, with a third-grade education. My mother was raised in Ohio with a decent amount of money, and earned her master’s degree. I suppose my father was the more intellectual of the two—he certainly read more books—but I only knew them as my mother and my father. I didn’t know them as emblems or representatives of a race.

So being raised by them gave me a profound secret that other people who have dealt with race don’t have: I knew that behind the race, there’s nothing other than human beings; that’s why whenever I write about race, my point of departure has always been human nature.

I understand race, but I better understand the basics of humanity—human motivations, human incentives. No matter what the question is, if you look for answers in someone’s race, you’ll never get anywhere. [Shelby's answers below demonstate otherwise. --L.D.] That’s one of the real advantages that my background has given me.

TAE: Is bigotry something endemic to the human condition?

STEELE: For every white racist, I’ve met a black one.

TAE: You say many things in black America have not improved as they should have since the 1960s. What do you think happened?

STEELE: Here we were a people who, during the civil rights movement, took charge, [Oh, so the jews who created 'civil rights' and operated MLK's campaign (both behind the scenes and via media control) have disappeared from 'Black History'? --L.D.] fought out a peaceful revolution, and won against a society in which we were outnumbered ten to one.

We won a personal victory, then turned right around and put our future in the hands of the larger society. To understand that, just consider another theoretical option. What if, in 1965, every black person had left America and started a new nation? We would have put all of our energy into education and development —because we’d have had to become competitive with this huge American country. We would have focused on hard work and conservative values. There’s no doubt that our new nation would have had conservative politics. [Please point to a single nation in Africa where this happened. --L.D.]

But we didn’t leave America. We were smack in the middle of a society that knew what it had done to us before. There was a profound amount of guilt. We knew that guilt was there, and we had a U.S. President who was reeling backwards, putting the responsibility on whites to make things up to us, promising to end poverty. We bought into that, and it made us weak. We bought into precisely the opposite of what we should have done.

Our real problem was a lack of development. We weren’t educated. We weren’t competitive. And so rather than really tackle those problems within our group, we just kept saying, “Well, you guys haven’t given us a good enough school yet. You haven’t given us good enough this, or good enough that.” We had this wonderful excuse.

TAE: Which programs failed?

STEELE: All of these government programs were bound to fail from the start, because the people they were meant to serve had not taken responsibility for using them. [So, nothing about the black race inherently tends toward collective failure. It was just the cumulative effect of individual 'sin'? --L.D.] If you have a good family with a mother and a father, as I did—and most of the people in the community where I grew up did—you didn’t need these programs.

By accepting the idea that government is somehow going to take over the responsibility that only we can take, we relinquished authority over ourselves. We became child-like, and our families began to fall to pieces. [Just like all over Africa, where the same situation prevails, but without free money from whites to subsidize their pathology. --L.D.] Welfare—which promised a subsistence living for the rest of your days for doing absolutely nothing—provided a perfect incentive to not get married, yet still have babies. Then the babies will be state wards, and their babies, and so forth.

The incentive is just to stay in that rut. And so the goodwill of America finally did do to us what slavery and segregation failed to do. [So he blames whitey after all. We 'destroyed' the black race with our goodwill! --L.D.] It destroyed our family, destroyed our character, and now black America is in a struggle. We struggle to stand up like men and women and take charge of our lives, and become competitive with other people in the modern world. If we don’t do this, we’ll always be behind. But if we do take charge of our own lives, we’ll be men among men.

TAE: So a central answer is education.

STEELE: Absolutely right. This isn’t complicated. If you can’t compete with whites and Asians, you’re going to be an inferior class of people. But we don’t have any of our civil rights leaders telling us that. All they keep doing is making excuses for our failure, for our weakness, for our irresponsibility.
We don’t have white leaders in America telling us that either. President Bush hints at it, but he doesn’t say “Look, I’m talking to you black people. If you want to make it, if you want to stop being behind everybody, you’ve got to become serious about education, without making excuses about bad school districts and how you don’t get the funding.”

For 20 years, I lived on the east side of San Jose, which was a poor black and Hispanic community. When the Vietnamese started moving in, their kids went to the same schools, but these kids—thanks to their parents—were serious about education, and they began getting higher test scores than white kids in Los Altos, the fancy school district. [So when blacks get 'serious' about education, things will change. --L.D.]

TAE: Let’s talk more about George Bush and the Republican Party. Bush has promoted the concept of the ownership society, and has helped black homeownership, for instance, reach an all-time high. People who own things tend to be more conservative. And Bush has courted the black vote more aggressively than any other Republican President. Yet he’s still not getting it—why?

STEELE: It’s just amazing to me—he keeps getting slapped.

I don’t think I’ll live to see it, but I don’t expect anything to change until the current civil rights leadership just dies off. They’re really past their usefulness at this point, and they’ve become part of the problem. They’re concerned with nothing except keeping their people in the Democratic Party.

The best thing Republicans can do is to not pander to black Americans. The Republicans should say, “Look: this is what we represent. These are our values.” Instead of trying to compete for black votes by trying to be Democrats, they need to stand as an alternative. The Republicans need to argue that they’re the party that’s not preoccupied with race. They’re more individualistic. [Oh, sure, be the party the Jews want it to be: Ignore race, promote 'individualism,' except when it comes to Jews and Israel and those who oppose them. --L.D.] They support ambition—people who want to do things, own things, become educated, move up in this world. That’s what Republicans stand for.

As they emphasize those points they’ll be able to make some inroads to the black community because there are a lot of blacks who really want to be encouraged in that direction. [Just like in Africa... --L.D.] But it’s going to take a very long time for anything much to change.

The funny thing is, when you talk to blacks who do understand the requirements of freedom, they’re Republicans! That’s who black Republicans are.

TAE: If Hillary Clinton runs in 2008, do you think she’ll take the black vote for granted?

STEELE: If she can’t, then she has no hope for the Presidency. She’s totally dependent on the black vote.

TAE: What if Condoleezza Rice were to run against Hillary Clinton? Where would the black vote go?

STEELE: That would be fascinating. If Hillary runs against a man, my guess is there’s a certain women’s vote out there that will go for her, even many Republicans. But if she’s running against Condoleezza Rice, that would disappear. A large bit of the black vote that Democrats are so desperately dependent upon would also disappear. If Condoleezza Rice ran, she could win by simply taking an extra 15 percent of the black vote.

This is, of course, all hypothetical, because Condoleezza Rice has expressed no intention of running. And even if she does, she may be a lousy politician. But when we look at the cultural variables that are in play, she would be an extremely formidable candidate.

TAE: What is the glue that holds the black vote to the Democratic Party?

STEELE: Politically, black America is almost socialistic. [Just like black Africa! --L.D.] There’s a feeling that the government is the vehicle that’s going to lift us to equality, and without the government, we’ll never make it. Black America has suffered from this delusion since the 1960s. It’s gotten to the point where we’ve now made affiliation with the Democratic Party an aspect of the black American identity. No matter who the Democratic nominee is, they get 90 percent of the black vote in every single election. If you are black and not a Democrat, it’s said you’re not authentically black—the civil rights leadership vigorously enforces that. So you have this disjuncture in black life: we’re culturally conservative, but politically, we are far, far left. [WTF? Culturally 'conservative.'? --L.D.]

TAE: You say that as long as we have affirmative action, blacks will never be able to take full credit for their own advancement.

STEELE: Absolutely. It smears every single black person.

Look at me, for example. My enemies say my career would have gone nowhere without affirmative action. I don’t think that’s true, but because there is affirmative action, they can say that. There are no blacks who are free from that stigma, and that’s a terrible thing to do to people who are trying to succeed on their own. I think affirmative action is the worst cruelty blacks have endured since slavery. [Oh, whitey is just so evil, giving blacks money and jobs and opportunities they have not, and mostly could never have, earned. --L.D.]

At that point, blacks made the worst mistake in our history: putting our faith in the hands of outside saviors. The idea that somebody else can lift you up, can teach you skills, and make you competitive is just ridiculous. That sort of abject dependence has never worked, and it never will.

Blacks do well in sports, music, entertainment, and literature [Literature? --L.D.] —because there’s absolutely no white intervention, paternalism, affirmative action, or anything else. We’re asked to compete without any assistance, and sure enough, we compete. We succeed. In these areas, whites never intervene, so we ask the best and we get the best. But in colleges and other places, there are a billion excuses. Whites intervene and convince themselves not to ask much of us. It’s the same old vicious cycle. [Evil whitey, giving darkies every opportunity to prove themselves, even in places they don't belong. --L.D.]

TAE: Should affirmative action be abolished?

STEELE: Affirmative action and all of its sundry manifestations should be completely eliminated. It stigmatizes all blacks, and it’s not voluntary. One of the real cruelties of affirmative action is that whether we want it or not, it is imposed on us, simply because of the color of our skin. You don’t get to opt out. [You clearly got where you are due to your race, and not your intellect, but now that others point this out you become resentful. Will you now give generously to poor whites who can't get college scholarships because the money is reserved for 'minorities'? --L.D.]

You shouldn’t be able to go onto a campus and have a separate black graduation ceremony, a separate black student union, a black studies department. Why do I get all these racial things, but you can’t have them? Why? [Don't say the word 'jew,' Shelby. Good boy. --L.D.]

White paternalism and guilt is behind it, because it allows whites to effectively take credit for our advancement. Just like slavery, affirmative action allows blacks to be used, and bestows on us a stigma of being inferior. It’s a stunning cruelty. We ought to be marching on Washington to end paternalism and affirmative action; not marching to keep it.

TAE: My daughters go to a public elementary school in Oakland, and sometimes they come home and tell me how they’ve learned about the litany of horrible things that whites are doing to blacks in America. What can white parents do to combat this without being branded racist?

STEELE: There’s no easy way out of that. That ideology is dominant in most urban public schools, and that’s certainly a factor in why most whites have left such schools, heading to the suburbs, private schools, and parochial schools. The educational system has been taken over by identity politics, and every identity’s wonderful except the white one. [Shelby himself is an example of choosing a black identity. He completely identifies with blacks, even though he is half-white. Why don't you identify with whites, Shelby? --L.D.] Whites have no right to an identity, to a racial identity. To say I’m white and I’m proud is to be a Klansman. But we encourage precisely that kind of thinking in minorities. How often do you hear, “I’m black and I’m proud?” So white kids are in a very difficult circumstance.

TAE: How does political correctness affect black Americans?

STEELE: Political correctness is an outgrowth of white guilt. It’s a way for guilty-feeling whites to constantly indicate that they’re not racist, not colonialists, not imperialists, not warmongers, and so on. It’s a kind of ritualization of life by which some whites free themselves of the stigma that history has left them. [Thus, Shelby confirms that he agrees with these characterizations of our race, just like the black 'race hustlers' he attempts to distance himself from. --L.D.] History has left whites stigmatized as racists, just like blacks were stigmatized as inferior. Both of those are irrational conclusions, but that’s how stigma works. And political correctness is a way to address that. [Don't say 'jews,' Shelby. Good boy. --L.D.]
Part 2 continues below...

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Old March 21st, 2006 #2
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Default Part 2 of interview with 'black conservative' Shelby Steele

Keep in mind as your read through this that Steele is about 'as good as it gets' in terms of 'smart' Negroes, yet he is either a con artist or a fool.
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TAE: The race card seems to show up everywhere. Right now, for instance, any number of liberal writers are saying the reason the U.S. wants to control the flow of immigrants from Mexico is because we’re a racist culture.

STEELE: They’re crazy.

White guilt, which I think defines liberalism, is a response to the stigma that white Americans bear for practicing racism for four centuries. [It's your fault, whitey. Your guilt was 'self-induced.' No jews here, eh Mr. Shelby? Just like no jews were involved in 'civil rights' because, as you claim above, blacks had 'taken charge.' --L.D.] Whites live with this constant pressure of having to demonstrate to the world that they’re not bigots, and this manifests itself in many facets of American life. You see it in our politics, you see it in war, you see it in our immigration debates—the real topic at hand is always secondary, because we’re first trying to prove we’re not racist. ['For fear of the ___'? --L.D.]

So you can’t even get to the problem of immigration and what we’re going to do about people streaming across the borders. On Iraq, a lot of the anti-war movement is so concerned that America not appear to be a racist country fighting poor brown people that they can’t even think about whether we need to be at war. So even the debate on the war on terror is tainted by white guilt.

TAE: Did the civil rights movement take a wrong fork in the road? If Martin Luther King was alive, do you think he would accept all of this liberal paternalism toward blacks?

STEELE: I don’t know. That’s a big debate. In hindsight, it’s easy to look back and see that we made a wrong turn. But at the time, it was hard to see. I didn’t see it, and I don’t think King saw it. But I understand why we made the mistake. The wealthiest society in the world was saying, “Look, we’re going to fix this for you. You’re going to be equal.” Not once did we ask ourselves what we needed to do for this dream to be realized.

TAE: That’s kind of ironic, because for years blacks had learned not to take what white people said at face value. So why suddenly believe them?

STEELE: I’ll give you my bottom line: We’ve done worse in freedom than we did in segregation. It’s abominable that we made more advances between 1945 and 1965 than we have since, but it’s the truth. According to studies by Stanford’s Thomas Sowell and Harvard’s Abigail and Stephen Thernstrom, we made up more ground with whites in the 1950s than in other decades. This is something I’m writing about in my next book.

Something people overlook is the shock of becoming free. When an oppressor finally takes his foot off your neck—whether it’s the European powers withdrawing from their colonies, or whites in America passing civil rights legislation and starting a Great Society—the group that has created an entire culture to cope with oppression is suddenly disoriented. [Whitey is to blame for oppression of blacks. Whitey is to blame for freeing blacks. Africa was a basketcase long before 'colonialism,' but whitey is to blame because if it weren't for whitey and black response to whitey, blacks would be civilized today. --L.D.] Becoming free can give a profound shock. We don’t have the values in place for dealing with it. We don’t have the ideas. We have the mechanisms for wearing masks, for manipulating an oppressor, for surviving under harsh circumstances; we’ve become geniuses at that. But we don’t know what to do with freedom.

So when we come to freedom, we experience it as a humiliation, as an embarrassment, as a shame. Now, for the first time, we see how far behind we actually are. We see how long it’ll take to catch up with the people we suddenly have to compete with. [Shelby assumes, without evidence, that blacks could be someday equal. The truth is they can't ever catch up. They don't have the ability. --LD.] And in some cases, we lock up in terror.

Freedom has just terrorized black Americans. We are scared to death of it. And rather than admit that, we say we’re still living in a racist society, or that the government isn’t doing its job. We make excuse after excuse after excuse. But the bottom line is that we have failed to stand up to the challenges of freedom. And that’s terrifying because it shows us just how much work lies ahead of us. [Clinging to the myth of equality of the races. Blacks just need to 'work' harder? --L.D.]

TAE: So freedom is the keystone?

STEELE: The great promise of the United States of America lies in the wonderful interplay between individual freedom and individual responsibility. That’s the secret of our greatness; it always has been, and it always will be. [He recites ridiculous platitudes, the ones the jews endlessly repeat in the contolled media. --L.D.]

That’s why I hate to see identity politics come in, because then we’re evaluated on the color of our skin, or the group we’re supposed to belong to. If America loses that, then we’re in trouble.

Freedom is the most wonderful thing there is, but it’s also a burden, a responsibility, a struggle. When I was growing up, it was made clear to me that life was going to be exactly what I created of it. Today’s blacks don’t have that idea. Because of white guilt, we excuse failure in our black communities. [Whitey's guilt is to blame for black failure to accept personal responsibility. --L.D.]

I look at black people and say, the thing you just don’t see is that you are absolutely free. There’s no excuse any more for not doing well in this society. [Uh, lack of talent? Inherent laziness? Preference for $150 dollar shoes over $15 books? --L.D.] People from other countries with language barriers and every other problem can come over here and thrive in a single generation—and you can’t because you don’t yet know how to be responsible in freedom.

No one wants to say the problem with black America is a lack of responsibility for ourselves. [Not lower intelligence, not foolish impulsiveness, not instant rage that turns quickly to violence. Just 'lack of responsibility.' Well, maybe irresponsibility has other causes. What if blacks generally are incapable of acting responsibly? What then, Shelby? --L.D.] If you say that and you’re white, you’re going to be called a racist. If you say that and you’re black, you’re going to be called an Uncle Tom. But that’s the truth.

TAE: How should whites navigate this?

STEELE: Whites don’t understand this because they have always lived in freedom. They’ve got the ideas and values for it. Blacks, on the other hand, don’t know what to do with freedom. When I talk to black groups about the early years of a child’s life—what they should do when their children are born, how they should talk to their children, how they should point to colors and teach them numbers—I get blank looks. They don’t do any of the things a mother and father should do.

That’s why at the age of two there is already a divergence in I.Q. between black kids and white kids. [Well, it sure isn't due to genetic difference in IQs, is it? It must be because whites "point to colors and teach numbers," and blacks do not. He reverses the cause and effect. Whites are smart because they behave in smart ways; whites do not behave in smart ways because they're smart. --L.D.] It’s no mystery. Go to a white neighborhood and you see all these mothers with their babies in strollers with mobiles over their heads—because they want to stimulate the child’s brain. These are people who understand freedom! [These are people with natural intelligence (among other qualities). Our race is capable of creating free societies, and the black race is not, has never. Duh. But to Mr. Steele, whites are smart because they behave in smart ways. "It's no mystery"!!! --L.D.]

TAE: Some of those parents are probably a little crazy!

STEELE: Sure, they may have taken it too far. But they’re serious about their kids becoming competitive in an extremely competitive world. And that’s why their kids succeed. [All a race needs to succeed is for its adults to be "serious about their kids becoming competitive"? I find it difficult to believe that Mr. Steele has never had brought to his attention the results of studies of black kids adopted by 'serious' white parents, kids who then become not only failures, but who repeat the same pathology their black-raised peers produce. --L.D.]

TAE: When you look at Bill Cosby being called an Uncle Tom for preaching the importance of education and telling blacks to get out of the ghetto, what do you think?

STEELE: It’s amazing. In today’s black community, a leader is only a real black if he’s angry at white America. But if I’m an angry black man who’s independent—and thinks we have to help ourselves in order to become self-sufficient—then I’m an Uncle Tom.

Bill Cosby exemplifies this better than anyone else. Here’s a guy who has given millions in donations to black colleges, so he’s got a right to speak. But by being critical and judgmental of black America, and demanding an end to excuses, he’s a threat to the black leadership. And he gets attacked.
Many black people know that Bill Cosby is absolutely right. But the black leadership will make sure he’s punished for it—just like the people who are labeled black conservatives. [Maybe these so-called black 'leaders' have a better understaning of the inherent defects of their race and realize that ending the jew-mandated white-taxpayer-funded 'minority' gravy train would make the position of most blacks worse off because these 'leaders' know that blacks cannot do any better than they are with the 'free money' they're receiving now. --L.D.]

TAE: Every day, we see people come out of ghettos, graduate from college, and make something impressive of their lives. So we know it can be done. But it’s so much harder if you’re the child of a single mother, living on mean streets.

STEELE: Well, when you have an illegitimacy rate of 70 percent—which is what black America has today—then you’re going to have serious social problems, and they’re going to last for generations.

But what can white America do about that? If black parents don’t take the time to educate their child, get their child ready for school, introduce him to cultural life, and develop his mind, then that child will never catch up. At that point, there’s very little that schools can do to make up for the deficit that’s already there. [Cart before the horse. The 'deficit' is a lack of intelligence, not the failure of black parents to create a stimulating environment. Every study of young blacks shows the same thing: differences in IQ will out, regardless of how good (or how bad) the home environment is. --L.D.]

Simply put, the illegitimacy rate consigns blacks to decades and decades of backwardness and inferiority. You need two parents to help you compete in today’s world. [Having two parents helps somewhat but, no, you need intelligence and self-discipline to compete. Without these qualities, you get ... Africa. --L.D.]

TAE: Black leaders blamed George Bush for the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, saying he allowed it to happen because he’s a racist. What is your reaction?

STEELE: I think New Orleans shamed black America. I was in Europe when it happened, and we saw all these images of “deep intractable poverty.” For generation after generation, New Orleans was full of human despair and backwardness. The flood just brought to the surface what had been there for so long, so we could see it on TV every night. And black America was truly shamed—just ask blacks and they’ll tell you. The whole world finally saw how hopeless and desperate the poorest blacks are. ['Hopeless' and 'desperate,' not pathological. Just the 'poorest blacks,' not the nigger cops who were shop-lifting and stealing from car dealerships, etc.--L.D.] So then the question becomes, what do we do?

Instead of saying what we should have said—which is that this was an extraordinary wake-up call to black America, and we’ve got to make some profound changes in our way of life—we said, “George Bush is a racist.” Then we weren’t shamed any more. He did it. He’s the bad guy. He’s the problem. And, once again, we’re victims of white racism. We pulled out that old trustworthy excuse that has served us so well for 40 years. We blamed our problems on white people. And it works.

It doesn’t matter that you’ve got a black mayor who’s obviously incompetent. Bush is the fall guy because he’s white. And no American politician ever asks black America what they’re going to do. Whites just accept the excuses. That’s why Bush is just going to dump a lot of money into New Orleans.

TAE: If you’re a white person and you turn on a gangster rap song, you see guys preaching violence, talking about bustin’ a cap, slappin’ a bitch. Do they want you to be scared?

STEELE: I’m scared of them when I see them. But I often try to find some way to talk to them. I’ll give you an example. About a month ago, I saw three guys—maybe 14 or 15 years old—with the do-rags on, the jewelry, the huge pants, and everything else. So I went up to one of these kids and said, “Listen, can you tell me where Del Monte Street is?”

Now, this was in my community, so I knew exactly where to find Del Monte Street. But I’m testing. And one kid goes, “Yes sir, if you just go down there and turn”—he’s the sweetest kid in the world.

But is he going to get a job dressed like that? Am I going to hire him in my business to serve my customers? Of course not. When you dress like a gangster, you portray an image of aggression, hostility, and criminality. The truth is, most blacks who dress like gangsters are not criminals. But black culture has allowed these images to prevail. [Don't say the word 'jew' when talking about rap 'culture,' Shelby. Good boy. --L.D.]

TAE: What are some ways we can encourage racial harmony in the United States?

STEELE: I’m old enough to remember segregation. Where I grew up, whites had no shame about being racist. They used to come up to me and explain that racism and segregation were God’s will. And they were perfectly comfortable with it.

Today, there’s no white person that could do that. Among whites, things have changed. No one wants white supremacists around. Sure, there are some, but America’s transformation is just amazing. It’s just amazing. [Well, thanks to the 'Culture of Critique,' you got that right. --L.D.]

Now it’s time for blacks to make a similar transformation, to grow up, and take responsibility for their own future. If they don’t do it, they’re not going to have prospects that amount to very much. If they do do it, they’ll be able to succeed. [Just like in Africa. --L.D.] We’ve come to a place in our history where the real onus for change is on black Americans.
Folks, this is as good as 'black introspection' gets. Self-deluded or jew-sponsored con artist?


Black like ... Shelby Steele?

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How is the faithful city become an harlot! It was full of judgment: righteousness lodged in it, but now murderers. Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water. Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards.

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"The Jew can only be understood if it is known what he strives for: ... the destruction of the world.... [it is] the tragedy of Lucifer."

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Old March 21st, 2006 #3
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Misdirection, setting up a false history, avoiding the real issues = typical power elite pigswill.

Do you notice that "I'm scared!" as a response to blacks is being drilled into white heads by the media lately? Before, only "bad people" were scared by blacks. Good people loved blacks and were "down" with them. Now whites are allowed to be scared by blacks, but not allowed to scare them back or tell them to get lost. (Gee, we probably need the government to step in and DO something to make us feel more secure, like cameras everywhere...)

I saw the blond dildo (male) on Fox News say "I'm scared!" about something like this the other day - and you know the government writes the scripts for Fox.

The reason blacks vote Democratic is they believe the Dems will give them stuff for free. This is the same reason whites have voted Republican - they don't want to give blacks things for free.

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Old March 21st, 2006 #4
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Default Deconstruction of Shelby's brother's silly explanation for lower black SAT/IQ scores

“Stereotype Threat” a.k.a. Occam's Butterknife
By Steve Sailer (emphasis in original)
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February 15, 2004-- The identical twin brothers Claude M. Steele and Shelby Steele offer a fascinating living experiment in the effects of nature and nurture.

Both are celebrated black intellectuals who have achieved comparable academic eminence—Claude is a professor of social psychology at Stanford, while Shelby, the author The Content of Our Character: A New Vision of Race in America (1990), is a research fellow across campus at the Hoover Institution. Both are graceful writers—Shelby writes for Harper's Monthly and Claude for The Atlantic Monthly—although Shelby is more literary and Claude more quantitative.

And both have devised psychological theories to account for shortcomings in black academic performance.

Shelby says blacks suffer from "racial vulnerability.” Claude claims they are victimized by "stereotype threat."

Yet although the Steeles are famous blacks, they aren't terribly black-looking. When I asked my wife to inspect Shelby on TV and guess his ancestry, she said he looked Greek. (Here are pictures of Shelby and Claude.)

Shelby is a conservative and Claude is a liberal, and they don't get along terribly well because of their disagreement over affirmative action. Shelby thinks Claude stole and distorted his racial vulnerability concept. Claude, in contrast, thinks Shelby's tough-love policy blames the black victims of white prejudice for educational failings that are actually caused by—follow me closely here—blacks' anxiety over the danger of proving correct whites' stereotypes about blacks' lack of intelligence.

A little experiment Claude performed on some Stanford sophomores almost a decade ago has become wildly popular among liberals. They see it as the Rosetta Stone explaining the mystery of racial inequality. It supposedly proved that on standardized tests like the SAT college entrance exam, blacks would score the same as whites on average if only mean people like me wouldn't ever mention the fact that they, uh, don't score the same.

What Steele found was that when he told his black subjects that the little custom-made verbal test he was giving them would measure their intellectual ability, they scored worse than when he provided a less threatening description of the exam.

Here's the logic behind this extrapolation: At some point back in the mists of time, a stereotype somehow emerged that blacks do less well on the SAT. So, now, blacks are seized by panic over the possibility they might mess up and score so poorly that they validate this stereotype.

And, indeed, this nervousness makes them score exactly as badly as the stereotype predicted they would.

It's really a lovely theory. In its solipsistic circularity, it's practically unfalsifiable.

Still, you might object that Occam's Razor suggests a simpler explanation—that the arrow of causation runs in the opposite direction, with the stereotype being the result, not the cause, of decades of poor black performance on the SAT.

But that just shows you are a mean person, too.

If you were a nice person, then you would know that if we all just believe that everybody will score the same, then everybody will score the same!
Just like when we were children and all clapped at a performance of Peter Pan to show we had faith that Tinkerbell would recover.

Of course, to me as a former marketing executive, there’s an obvious alternative explanation of Steele's findings: the students figured out what this prominent professor wanted to see, and, being nice kids, they delivered the results he longed for. This happens all the time in market research. After all, this was just a meaningless little test, unlike a real SAT where the students would all want to do as well as possible.

Nevertheless, countless commentators have claimed Steele’s study proves the only reason blacks score worse on the SAT than whites is because of this "stereotype threat."

Here are a few examples:
  • “When students were told they were being tested for ability, the Black students performed more poorly than the White students. Was this because of stereotype threat? The researchers administered the test to other students, telling them the goal was to find out how people approach difficult problems. This time the researchers found no discernible difference between the performance of Black and White students.” (Race and Guts, Jennifer Roback Morse, December 27, 1999, in Forbes, p. 165)
  • “A Stanford psychology professor, Steele has done research indicating that Black students who think a test is unimportant match their White counterparts’ scores. But if told a test measures intellect, Black students do worse than White students.” (“Passing the Fairness Test,” October 5, 1999, The Boston Globe, p. A16)
  • “In another experiment, when Blacks were told that they were taking a test that would evaluate their intellectual skills, they scored below Whites. Blacks who were told that the test was a laboratory problem-solving task that was not diagnostic of ability scored about the same as Whites.” (Leslie, November 6, 1995, in Newsweek, p. 82)
This enthusiasm is particularly odd because the idea that blacks collapse under a pressure would seem racially derogatory. Back in the bad old days, it was bigoted whites who jeered that black sports pioneers like Joe Louis, Jesse Owens, and Jackie Robinson would choke as soon as the spotlight was on them. They didn't. Similarly, Paul Robeson didn't suddenly forget his lines when the curtain came up on Othello, nor did Marian Anderson sing off-key at the Lincoln Memorial. In fact, they all seemed to experience the opposite of stereotype threat: "stereotype stimulation," a burning desire to prove their naysayers wrong.

So eventually, that old stereotype died out.

In reality, however, nobody cares about these logical implications because nobody truly believes in stereotype theory.

Stereotype theory's fans just want to use it to wish away the white-black test score gap.

Unfortunately for them, the January 2004 issue of the scientific journal American Psychologist, the publication of the American Psychology Association, ran a pointed article by Paul R. Sackett, Chaitra M. Hardison, and Michael J. Cullen documenting that Steele's research is
"[w]idely misinterpreted in both popular and scholarly publications as showing that eliminating stereotype threat eliminates the African American-White difference in test performance.”
The psychologists’ point:
"[R]ather than showing that eliminating threat eliminates the large score gap on standardized tests, the research actually shows something very different. Specifically, absent stereotype threat, the African American–White difference is just what one would expect based on the African American–White difference in SAT scores, whereas in the presence of stereotype threat, the difference is larger than would be expected based on the difference in SAT scores."
In other words, Steele only showed he could persuade black students to do worse than they did on the SAT. He did not show he could make black Stanford students score better than they had on the Verbal SAT—which was about a half-standard deviation below the white Stanford students in the study.

Far from ... debunking the SAT, Steele tacitly relied on the SAT as a fair measure of ability. (Curtis Crawford of the www.DebatingRacialPreference.org website has examined the new critique in detail for the National Association of Scholars.)

What Steele's fans have failed to grasp is that Steele was not investigating how the SAT was too hard on blacks, but how it was too easy on them. Blacks at elite colleges tend to get worse grades than their SAT or ACT scores (or high school GPA) would predict.

In a 1992 Atlantic article, Steele dealt frankly with this little-known fact:
"This pattern has been documented so broadly across so many regions of the country, and by so many investigations (literally hundreds), that it is virtually a social law in this society--as well as a racial tragedy."
Why do blacks at top schools do even worse than their scores indicate?

Steele found that in the Fifties and Sixties, back before racial quotas, the grades of a black student at an elite college tended to rise from freshman to senior year. Today, though, Steele finds that their GPAs typically decline. Apparently, many quota kids, who could be doing fine at less selective schools, shield their self-esteem by "disidentifying with" (i.e., downplaying) academic achievement.

"To make matters worse," wrote Steele in 1992, "Once disidentification occurs at a school, it can spread like a common cold... Pressure to make it a group norm can evolve quickly and become fierce."

This fear of being labeled an "oreo" or "incognegro" helps explain Steele's disheartening finding that even blacks more qualified than the average white student on campus tend to underachieve, with the same grade deterioration.

The real implication of stereotype threat theory: the simplest way to destroy the stereotype that college's black students' qualifications are inferior is to stop admitting blacks with inferior qualifications under affirmative action programs.

Bottom line: those of us who talk honestly about racial differences in test scores don't do it because we are mean.

We do it because only honesty will help us all to figure out how to do anything about it.
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Old March 22nd, 2006 #5
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Default Interesting comment on Shelby Steele: 'Seriously lacking in merit'

Found this comment on an 'anti-racist' website: http://www.visioncircle.org/archive/002450.html
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What resonates with me about Steele is the fact that he's an English professor. He's never published in ANY English journal of note. He's never published a single book in an academic press based on his field. By most definitions of "merit" Steele is lacking. Seriously. And as much as he talks about getting rid of race, I find it interesting that he doesn't write about anything else....
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Old March 22nd, 2006 #6
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This man is not a typical nigger, so I wonder is he deluded, or just a con artist? He opposes 'Affirmative Action' but refuses to recognize he has been a beneficiary! And look at how he 'blames whitey' for black failure, just like all the other race hustlers.
He isn't his own man, he is a front man with someone else feeding him words to parrot . You should know this , blacks have few concepts beyond ; food, sex and bling status . Some org sponsors him, feeds him the ideas he will mouth .
 
Old April 1st, 2006 #7
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Other threads on Steele:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5344
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=7519

This man is not a typical nigger, so I wonder is he deluded, or just a con artist? He opposes 'Affirmative Action' but refuses to recognize he has been a beneficiary! And look at how he 'blames whitey' for black failure, just like all the other race hustlers.

This interview is with the 'American' Enterprise Institute, a jew-operated neoconservative 'think tank.'

"Live" with Shelby Steele

Part 2 continues below...


heres another pic of him, he sure looks Black to me no question . Maybe Sailer's wife should look at more htan one pic before comparing him to half of my ancestors.
http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/pubaf...ter/QandA.html

in his grey haired pics he almost looks kinda Jewy. Be interesting to find out if his "white mother" is truly white.
http://images.google.com/images?q=%2...e=off&filter=0

he could be one of these
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159...lance&n=283155

Jewess has 12 kids with various blacks.One kid writes a book about growing up "jew-black". Apparently her side was none too thrilled about this and disowned her as she went from the shopkeeper's daughter to "Welfare-O-witz"
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Keep in mind as your read through this that Steele is about 'as good as it gets' in terms of 'smart' Negroes, yet he is either a con artist or a fool.
Folks, this is as good as 'black introspection' gets. Self-deluded or jew-sponsored con artist?


Black like ... Shelby Steele?

AS one poster on SF whose name escapes me pointed out, the attidude of society, and I would add Blacks in particular towards Whites can be likened to the captured alien in "Independence Day" who when asked by his human captor "What do you want us to do?" , replied "Die"
Steele is not only no different than the rest, hes worse, they want our money, jobs and political power, Steele just cuts past the crap and takes our genes. Either way, they want us to DIE, thats all
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I just hope you guys are cool with Carroll Shelby...

http://www.carrollshelby.com/
 
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