Christian Identity And VNN

[The Barrenness]

Originally Posted by Leshrac

High iq people are atheists by essence, because someone intelligent couldn't possibly believe in such scams.

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I don't really think lack of intelligence factors in to a person's need to believe in something. That need can be very strong. That need is what is responsible for a person's seemingly unwillingness to reject ideas or beliefs that might seem silly to someone else.

here is an interesting theory:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/04/04...ogy/index.html

Are humans hard-wired for faith?

NEW YORK (CNN) -- "I just know God is with me. I can feel Him always," a young Haitian woman once told me.

"I've meditated and gone to another place I can't describe. Hours felt like mere minutes. It was an indescribable feeling of peace," recalled a CNN colleague.

"I've spoken in languages I've never learned. It was God speaking through me," confided a relative.

The accounts of intense religious and spiritual experiences are topics of fascination for people around the world. It's a mere glimpse into someone's faith and belief system. It's a hint at a person's intense connection with God, an omniscient being or higher plane. Most people would agree the experience of faith is immeasurable.

Dr. Andrew Newberg, neuroscientist and author of "Why We Believe What We Believe," wants to change all that. He's working on ways to track how the human brain processes religion and spirituality. It's all part of new field called neurotheology.

After spending his early medical career studying how the brain works in neurological and psychiatric conditions such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, depression and anxiety, Newberg took that brain-scanning technology and turned it toward the spiritual: Franciscan nuns, Tibetan Buddhists, and Pentecostal Christians speaking in tongues. His team members at the University of Pennsylvania were surprised by what they found.

"When we think of religious and spiritual beliefs and practices, we see a tremendous similarity across practices and across traditions."

The frontal lobe, the area right behind our foreheads, helps us focus our attention in prayer and meditation.

The parietal lobe, located near the backs of our skulls, is the seat of our sensory information. Newberg says it's involved in that feeling of becoming part of something greater than oneself.

The limbic system, nestled deep in the center, regulates our emotions and is responsible for feelings of awe and joy.

Newberg calls religion the great equalizer and points out that similar areas of the brain are affected during prayer and meditation. Newberg suggests that these brain scans may provide proof that our brains are built to believe in God. He says there may be universal features of the human mind that actually make it easier for us to believe in a higher power.

Interestingly enough, devout believers and atheists alike point to the brain scans as proof of their own ideas.

Some nuns and other believers champion the brain scans as proof of an innate, physical conduit between human beings and God. According to them, it would only make sense that God would give humans a way to communicate with the Almighty through their brain functions.

Some atheists saw these brain scans as proof that the emotions attached to religion and God are nothing more than manifestations of brain circuitry.

Scott Atran doesn't consider himself an atheist, but he says the brain scans offer little in terms of understanding why humans believe in God. He is an anthropologist and author of "In Gods We Trust: The Evolutionary Landscape of Religion."

Instead of viewing religion and spirituality as an innate quality hardwired by God in the human brain, he sees religion as a mere byproduct of evolution and Darwinian adaptation.

"Just like we're not hardwired for boats, but humans in all cultures make boats in pretty much the same way, Atran explains. "Now, that's a result both of the way the brain works and of the needs of the world, and of trying to traverse a liquid medium and so I think religion is very much like that."

Atran points to the palms of his hands as another example of evolutionary coincidence. He says the creases formed there are a mere byproduct of human beings working with our hands -- stretching back to the ages of striking the first fires, hunting the first prey to building early shelter. Although, the patterns in our palms were coincidentally formed by eons of evolution and survival, he points out that cultures around the world try to find meaning in them through different forms of palm reading.

Anthropologists like Atran say, "Religion is a byproduct of many different evolutionary functions that organized our brains for day-to-day activity."

To be sure, religion has the unparalleled power to bring people into groups. Religion has helped humans survive, adapt and evolve in groups over the ages. It's also helped us learn to cope with death, identify danger and finding mating partners.

Today, scientific images can track our thoughts on God, but it would take a long leap of faith to identify why we think of God in the first place.

I tend to believe there is something more(for lack of a better phrase) and that we can possibly sense it on some other(higher) level, though it is still beyond our understanding. Organized religions might be a feeble attempt at doing so using things we can better relate to. Or maybe this is silly, I don't know.

[Sean Martin]

You can accuse me of a lot of things but I don’t keep a record of Racist’s credit card numbers and Addresses.

Again you show your hypocritical side. When your bloated buddy Sutter was searching for information on me so he could ruin my credibility preaching. He even made a thread encouraging all non-Christian racists to call every congregation in the Princeton area.

What’s the matter? You couldn’t add my address to the list of personal information you have on hand? You say I fish for info, while you have duped people into giving you personal information with the promise of Chinese made junk with a swastika.

People saw what Bill White did with personal information gained from an online store, it is just a matter of time before we see what you do. What kind of hissy fit would it take for you to turn over everything?

Where is your bloated buddy now?

You are just mad because you are middle aged and have not accomplished a single thing.


Call your master and tell him you have failed again.

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

You are essentially the stereotype that jew outfits like the ADL and SPLC love to propagate.

[Karl Von Clausewitz!]

Originally Posted by Leshrac

Religion is the best way to manipulate ignorant masses.

There's that phrase again "ignorant masses", and you fancy yourself somehow superior in knowledge to the "ignorant masses" do you?

We once again arrive at this problem where, people believe themselves as somehow more intelligent than others based solely on their disassociation from religion.

I find this fascinating to say the least.

Originally Posted by Tuisto with another stupid joke that only he laughs at

Really?

What church did Goethe go to?

Goethe had been a Pantheist since his youth, believing that everything in Nature is God, and he remained one to the end.

Pantheism (Greek: πάν ( 'pan' ) = all and θεός ( 'theos' ) = God) literally means "God is All" and "All is God".

[Paul Drake]

Bishop urges Christians to call God 'Allah'

Catholic leader believes it would help ease tensions between religions.
August 15, 2007

Catholic churches in the Netherlands should use the name Allah for God to
ease tensions between Muslims and Christians, says a Dutch bishop.
Tiny Muskens, the bishop of Breda, told the Dutch TV program "Network"
Monday night he believes God doesn't mind what he is called, Radio
Netherlands Worldwide reported.
The Almighty is above such "discussion and bickering," he insisted.
Muskens points to Indonesia, where he served 30 years ago, as an example for
Dutch churches. Christians in the Middle East also use the term Allah for God.
"Someone like me has prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa (Almighty God) for
eight years in Indonesia and other priests for 20 or 30 years," Muskens
said. "In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why
can't we start doing that together?"
Muskens thinks it could take another 100 years, but eventually the name
Allah will be used by Dutch churches, promoting rapprochement between the
two religions, he said, according to Radio Netherlands.
However, a survey published today in the Netherlands' largest newspaper, De
Telegraaf, showed 92 percent of the more than 4,000 people polled oppose the
bishop's view, the Associated Press reported.
Some letters to the paper were filled with ridicule for the bishop.
"Sure. Lets call God Allah. Let's then call a church a mosque and pray five
times a day. Ramadan sounds like fun," wrote Welmoet Koppenhol.
The chairman of the Protestant Church in the Netherlands, Gerrit de Fijter,
told the Dutch paper he welcomed any attempt to "create more dialogue,"
according to the AP. But he said, "Calling God 'Allah' does no justice to
Western identity. I see no benefit in it."
A Muslim spokesman, for Amsterdam's union of Moroccan mosques, said Muslims
had not asked for such a gesture from Christians, the AP reported.
Tensions with the Netherlands' 1-million-strong Muslim community have been
high since the 2004 murder of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim avenging a
film critical of Islam.
Last week, politician Geert Wilders talked about banning the Quran, shortly
after the head of a group of former Muslims, Ehsan Jami, compared Islam's
prophet Muhammad with al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.
Muskens made similar remarks several year ago about using the name of Allah,
Radio Netherlands reported. He also suggested replacing the national
Christian holiday Whit Monday - celebrated the day after Pentecost - with an
Islamic religious day.
The bishop also has offended Muslims, saying in 2005 Islam was a religion
without a future because it has too many violent aspects.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/statica...icle57178.html

[The Barrenness]

I don't know what that is supposed to prove, paul drake, since there is no way in hell(pun intended)that this is going to go over well.

[Paul Drake]

Hitler Goddess,
Return to your kitchen duties, xunt!

[tuisto]

Carla, you play some kind of terminator role on this forum, a real sophist,
who is looking for followers rather than real facts.
Who put you here?

It could not get anymore antireligious than being a "pantheist".
For a pantheist there is - like I pointed out before - one big ocean and we
all are in it , Jebboo is just like us another fish or hallucination, whatever you want to call it!

You are nothing but a fucking liar if you call Goethe "religious"
Since you know that, what is your task here?

[Walter E. Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Paul Drake

Bishop urges Christians to call God 'Allah'

Catholic leader believes it would help ease tensions between religions.
August 15, 2007

Catholic churches in the Netherlands should use the name Allah for God to
ease tensions between Muslims and Christians, says a Dutch bishop.
Tiny Muskens, the bishop of Breda, told the Dutch TV program "Network"
Monday night he believes God doesn't mind what he is called, Radio
Netherlands Worldwide reported.
The Almighty is above such "discussion and bickering," he insisted.
Muskens points to Indonesia, where he served 30 years ago, as an example for
Dutch churches. Christians in the Middle East also use the term Allah for God.
"Someone like me has prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa (Almighty God) for
eight years in Indonesia and other priests for 20 or 30 years," Muskens
said. "In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why
can't we start doing that together?"
Muskens thinks it could take another 100 years, but eventually the name
Allah will be used by Dutch churches, promoting rapprochement between the
two religions, he said, according to Radio Netherlands.
However, a survey published today in the Netherlands' largest newspaper, De
Telegraaf, showed 92 percent of the more than 4,000 people polled oppose the
bishop's view, the Associated Press reported.
Some letters to the paper were filled with ridicule for the bishop.
"Sure. Lets call God Allah. Let's then call a church a mosque and pray five
times a day. Ramadan sounds like fun," wrote Welmoet Koppenhol.
The chairman of the Protestant Church in the Netherlands, Gerrit de Fijter,
told the Dutch paper he welcomed any attempt to "create more dialogue,"
according to the AP. But he said, "Calling God 'Allah' does no justice to
Western identity. I see no benefit in it."
A Muslim spokesman, for Amsterdam's union of Moroccan mosques, said Muslims
had not asked for such a gesture from Christians, the AP reported.
Tensions with the Netherlands' 1-million-strong Muslim community have been
high since the 2004 murder of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim avenging a
film critical of Islam.
Last week, politician Geert Wilders talked about banning the Quran, shortly
after the head of a group of former Muslims, Ehsan Jami, compared Islam's
prophet Muhammad with al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.
Muskens made similar remarks several year ago about using the name of Allah,
Radio Netherlands reported. He also suggested replacing the national
Christian holiday Whit Monday - celebrated the day after Pentecost - with an
Islamic religious day.
The bishop also has offended Muslims, saying in 2005 Islam was a religion
without a future because it has too many violent aspects.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/statica...icle57178.html

Thanks for that, Drake!

That's some funny stuff! I wouldn't be surprised if the same happens here among Kwa xtian crutches. The xtian lemmings will do whatever they're told, as Linder has already postulated.

Ya' hear that, Kwa xtians? No more "DOG" for you, heh-heh! You can begin calling "Him" ALLAH now, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Walter E. Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Paul Drake

Hitler Goddess,
Return to your kitchen duties, xunt!

You know, just to hear millions of Kwa xtian lemmings refer to their DOG as "Allah" would almost be worth visiting one of their crutches for their weekly Sunday propaganda meetings, heh-heh.

I can hear it now:

"Our Allah, Howard in Heaven,
Allah be thy name...."

hahahahahahahahahaha, funny stuff!

Dang, I may have been wrong about the dismal nature of xtianity! This is truly funny stuff! I had no idea it could be so funny!

Thanks again, Drake, for providing such humor! Comic relief is always welcome!

[The Barrenness]

Intereresting. Even as a militant athiest, you have not been able to let go of your very semitic views on women present in that little joke.

I no longer, personally follow any organized religion, so that word(xunt )doesn't fit too well. I do still feel some connection with christian culture and can see many positives in that culture, but that is about as far as it goes.

[tuisto]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

You know, just to hear millions of Kwa xtian lemmings refer to their DOG as "Allah" would almost be worth visiting one of their crutches for their weekly Sunday propaganda meetings, heh-heh.

I can hear it now:

"Our Allah, Howard in Heaven,
Allah be thy name...."

hahahahahahahahahaha, funny stuff!

Dang, I may have been wrong about the dismal nature of xtianity! This is truly funny stuff! I had no idea it could be so funny!

Thanks again, Drake, for providing such humor! Comic relief is always welcome!

Inch allahhhhh to that

[Walter E. Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Starr

I don't know what that is supposed to prove, paul drake, since there is no way in hell(pun intended)that this is going to go over well.

Aw, don't be so glum! It just may take off as the newest rage among hard-core evangelicals! One can never predict what foolishness these xtians will parrot next! With the proper bible-thumper endorsements, there's no telling how fast this new craze could catch on!

C'mon, practice with me:

"Our Father, Howard in Heaven,
Allah be thy name..."

Kinda catchy, really!

[Harry Flash]

Originally Posted by Paul Drake

Hitler Goddess,
Return to your kitchen duties, xunt!

Now, now. Don't get all bitchy, gayboy. Starr was only trying to be nice.

[Leshrac]

Originally Posted by Karl Von Clausewitz!

There's that phrase again "ignorant masses", and you fancy yourself somehow superior in knowledge to the "ignorant masses" do you?

We once again arrive at this problem where, people believe themselves as somehow more intelligent than others based solely on their disassociation from religion.

I'm dissociating from the ignorant masses because i'm :

- Far more intelligent than the average person (no i'm not an egomaniac, even people around me amaze me by their lack of general knowledge or flat out lack of any knowledge)

- I'm not religious

[seeer]

If 'The Bible' is by Whites, about Whites, for Whites, why is it set in the desert sands with camels and lions etc. instead of in the pine forests with rivers and wolves etc.

There were always whites in the middle east. Many bible characters had red hair. Iraq is named for the early Aryan settlers, kurdish is a Indo-European language.

Izzat Ibrahim, Vice President of Iraq and now leader of Iraqi Rebels


Hafez Assad of Syria, #1 Enemy of Israel


Kurdish Girl

[seeer]

If 'The Bible' is by Whites, about Whites, for Whites, why is it set in the desert sands with camels and lions etc. instead of in the pine forests with rivers and wolves etc.

There were no camels in the middle east in biblical times, but there were wolves as well as rivers and pine trees.

[Leshrac]

How convenient that god had to wait for man to invent paper before coining the bible :krofl

[Paul Drake]

Originally Posted by tuisto

Inch allahhhhh to that

What might that be in centimeters?

[Leshrac]

Allah snackbar !

[Rex E. Cuto]

Originally Posted by Paul Drake

What might that be in centimeters?

2.54 Akbars.