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Completely alienating Christians isn't a wise move.
I'll admit that I'm not a Christian, nor do I believe in any of that nonsense personally. But we shouldn't be seeking to alienate them with our message. Last time I checked most White people are Christian, and if we tell their their religion sucks, even if its the truth, then that is just one more hurdle we have to climb over before we can get to the bottom of the real issues. As soon as you offend their religion, then they are going to be against whatever the rest of your message is.
Many of our predecessors who succeeded where we have failed have understood that you couldn't alienate a large % of the population, and expect to get positive results. Hitler sought to encourage "Positive Christianity", today I might classify that as someone who is Christian but is also against Jews. We are better off just keeping religion out of the message. |
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Any Christians in the WN movement aren't supporting Jews. Even if their religion was founded on Jewish principles. Its a division that needs to be overcome if we are going to make any progress. Us just telling them their religion sucks isn't going to win any of them over. I used to be militantly anti-Christian, and have sense changed my mind and have came to the conclusion that I should keep my personal views on religion out of what is best for the movement. Instead of completely slamming their religion, I am going to try and turn them against their Jewish masters. Sometimes I wish that Christians were as militantly against Jews as Muslims are, and then we would have a much easier time getting a coalition together against Jews. The one thing I can say about Muslims is at least they know who their enemies are. You know I WISH our greatest problem was political and religious disagreements, but anyone who lives in reality knows that isn't the case. These CI people, I would be delighted if they were to find their own little area of the US, and form a group, free of Jewish threats, but that doesn't mean I have to join them or live their ideology. Political and religious disagreements could simply be solved by segregating based on political ideology and religion. But that would only work if Jews weren't vehemently trying to exterminate the White race. I'm a National Socialist, so naturally I'd refuse to live under a Libertarian Democracy, if I had a choice in the matter. But all those problems can be settled AFTER we deal with the Jewish problem. |
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When you treat christians like men, all you do is incur their disrespect. Abuse them and they'll love you. Yet again I repeat: take your tips your clues your cues from winners, not losers. What am I trying to do? How do the people who succeed at it do it? Gee, maybe I should see if I can copy their method. |
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They don't really love Jesus or Yahweh - the Jewish/Christian "God" - they are afraid of them. They are afraid that Yahweh is real, that hell is real, and that they will go to hell if they stop trying to convince themselves that he is real. Deep down inside Christian WNs actually hate this Jewish god and his bastard half-mortal son, because they are Jewish. It is an internal source of embarrassment to them, which they live with in a state of internalized shame. "If only I could have complete and total assurance that the Jewish god is not real and that Jesus is only a dead Jew that will never come back and send me to hell if I don't bow down and worship him!" they think to themselves. But because they have been brainwashed to believe it is real since earliest childhood, there can never be any assurance for them; so they continue on worshiping and secretly hating the Jew god they have been taught to believe in, because of the possibility in their mind that hell might be real. That is the difference between a Christian WN and a regular Christian. Regular Christians, some of them, actually have some sort of genuine heartfelt love for the Jewish deity and his "only begotten son" incarnate. Some of them (perhaps a majority) might doubt he exists, but they still worship him out of fear; but don't hate him because of his Jewishness the way Christian WNs do. WN Christians are not only intellectually retarded, they are cowards. |
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The Christians who are getting treated like shit, and are still pro-Jewish are the sheeple. There are some of these people who half way wise up, but still maintain their religion, and these should be the people we should seek to acquire in the movement. You should ask Rounder how many Christians he had in his ranks. He managed to guide them toward more positive goals. Do you think he would have gotten as many people as he did if he completely alienated their religious beliefs? Christians aren't the cream of the crop or the sharpest tools in the shed, but if they are rallied toward more positive goals they go out in the street and support the cause, and can be good soldiers on the street. If we can get men out in the street representing the White race and its interests, I honestly couldn't care if they are Christians or not. Linder, I can tell you right now, being from Kentucky that if a movement started in this area that was Anti-Christian, the crickets would be chirping, and you would likely be getting into fist fights with fellow Whites over the message. That kind of message, and that kind of movement, simply wouldn't work here. Something like what Rounder did might very well work here. |
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How do you figure out that "most white people are christian?" Most white people are atheists, non-believers or couldn't give a f***ers.
Most white people don't give a monkeys, in my experience. They have other, more pressing things to worry about then a spirit in the sky (oh great, now I'll be Tourrettes'ing that all day) and handing over their hard earned to one of the richest institutions in the land on the promise that a mythical ghost from an alien religion will save them. If people don't have the sense to see that the whole thing is bullshit, why do we want to save them? You can argue a christian into a corner with facts and figures and prove to them that christianity isn't theirs and they still won't see the light.
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*d'oh*
I keep forgetting I'm not in the UK any more, Toto. It's unfathomable to me how come so many fully formatted adults can believe in a myth to the point of mania. (and sometimes beyond.)
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Did you glimpse either of thoses Youtube segments that I posted? I live in a county with a population of only about 28,000 people, and yet there are no less than 243 churches in this one county, and most of them sound like that every Sunday. |
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Not well at all. The issue of Christianity and Whites is not an easy one to resolve. Hacking loogies on them collectively isn't exactly the answer from a political pov, even though it might be satisfying from an emotional pov.
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My ultimate goal for the Christian issue, is for this religion to eventually be accepted as a mythology, and it will go the way of Roman Paganism. Until then we should try to at least organize them to do more productive things.
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Christianity cannot completely be viewed as a problem as the White race achieved extreme levels of power and technological supremacy over other races while the various Christian churches were very powerful.
The most dangerous element of Christianity in my opinion is its universalism which tends to expand the sphere of social priority beyond that of the nations of our race. Though obviously there are many different versions of Christianity, some of which do not do this, but as to which version of Christianity is the 'true' version of Christianity, well, that is debatable. I think the best way to handle Christianity within White Nationalist circles is to treat it as but one religion amongst many religions. I'm not certain if any god, gods or supernatural forces are at work, and if they do, I do not know exactly who they are, nor what their plans are, nor whether or not they involve us, for better or for worse. But what I am more certain of is that survival is the mutual objective of all living things, and that if White mortal men and women do not secure the appropriate survivalistic means, they could find themselves in a very difficult position. We need to do what we must to survive and thrive. |
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