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Did anyone see the ‘rebuttal’ thing on BBC2 yesterday?
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http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm The only context that "pull" has been used in demolition of any kind, aside from figures of speech or conversation like "pull the other one", were for small buildings where the construction crew could attach long cables in order to pre-weaken the given structure and literally pull it down with their bulldozers and so forth, had nothing to do with explosives. There's no usage known to man were this has ever been in context ment to bring down a building with explosives. *Is "Pull" used by demolitions pros to mean "demolish with explosives?" *"Pull" = Withdraw firefighters from danger? Larry Silverstein's "Pull it" quote Excerpt thereof; "Larry Silverstein was the owner of the 47-story WTC building 7, which collapsed on 9/11, and he owns the new 52-story building 7, which opened in May, 2006 on the site of the old building. He was the leaseholder on most of the other WTC buildings, including the Twin Towers (the property is owned by The Port of New York and New Jersey Authority). He won the right to the 99-year lease only six weeks before September 11, 2001, after a long public bidding process. During an interview in 2002 for the PBS documentary America Rebuilds: A Year at Ground Zero, Mr. Silverstein said this about the fate of building 7 on 9/11: "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein The conspiracy theorists (hereafter referred to as “CTs”) believe that Silverstein was ordering the FDNY to demolish, or to allow to be demolished, building 7. In my experience, the CTs are in such a hurry to get to the “pull it” phrase that they neglect to read the statement carefully. While I will provide much evidence in this paper that’s intended to convince the most hardcore CT, all that’s really necessary is to apply a bit of logic to the Silverstein statement, so I’ll start by doing that. The setting: Larry Silverstein is being interviewed by a documentary crew from PBS. He calmly, clearly describes what happened. CTs would have us believe that Silverstein accidentally let it slip – twice, for a national TV audience – that he ordered his building to be demolished! Does that make any sense whatsoever? Can the CTs give an example of a similar “accidental confession” of a monumental crime in the history of the world? Keep in mind that if Silverstein thought he had said something wrong, he could simply have asked the crew to shoot that part again. Silverstein is a very smart guy who is in full possession of his mental faculties. He didn’t “slip up.” "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander...” That was 32-year-veteran FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel Nigro, who was in charge of the World Trade Center incident following Chief of Department Peter Ganci’s death in the collapse of the north tower. Silverstein was at home with his wife when he received the courtesy call from Chief Nigro in the afternoon. Peter Ganci, Daniel Nigro. “...telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire...” That’s correct, as we will see in great detail below. “...and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.'” Let’s use some logic. Was Silverstein essentially saying; “We’ve had such terrible loss of life that it would be wise to blow up my building,” Or was he saying; “We’ve had such terrible loss of life that it would be wise to withdraw firefighters to prevent further loss of life”??? Who made the decision to pull? They. The fire department. Not “Me,” not “We.” They. This is ridiculously obvious to anyone but a CT. Does the FDNY demolish buildings with explosives?" Did Larry Silverstein, a real estate developer, have the world’s largest fire department at his beck and call? Of course not. Larry Silverstein had no say in how firefighting operations in New York City were conducted. He may have liked to think that the Chief was calling him for a consultation, but that idea is laughable. It was a courtesy call. It obviously refers to the recovery/rescue operation that they had to pull the plug on (pull it), that is why we saw how the firefighters got pulled out of the WTC7 almost immediately after that call and during the next two, three hours later the building was leaning, burning, tilting and finally came down after the top section floors had caved in (noticable by the east-penthouse cave in and the kink before it) etc. *FDNY Chief of Department (ret.) Daniel Nigro; Addresses WTC 7 Conspiracy Theories. *Structure Magazine; Single Point of Failure: "How the Loss of One Column May Have Led to the Collapse of WTC 7" *Physicist David Rogers; On the illogicallity of demolition claims for WTC 7. *The Collapse of Building 7 (Jan., 2007, pdf); By Arthur Scheuerman, Battalion Chief FDNY (Retired), Former Deputy Chief Instructor Nassau County Fire Training Academy and high-rise Fire Safety Director. Quote:
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Jonoleth, while I can't help you with your predilection for lying, I can help you with your linguistic difficulties regarding the word "pull".
I looked up the word pull and found this under phrasal verbs: pull down 1. To demolish; destroy: pull down an old office building. 2. To reduce to a lower level. 3. To depress, as in spirits or health. 4. Informal To draw (money) as wages: pulls down a hefty salary. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pull+ Perhaps you're unaware that users of the English language tend to shorten verb phrases. For instance, just as an old building can be "pulled down" a floor or wall can be "shored up". Both words, down and up, are dropped from conversation as being otiose or redundant. Due to the "vector of gravity" there is really no other direction to pull an old building but down, no desirable direction to shore but up. So, despite your lies, "pull" is used in the construction industry as a contraction for the verb phrase "pull down" just as shore is used in place of 'shore up"... no matter the means used; whether crowbars, cables, bulldozers, or explosives. Get it? Quote:
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The only context that "pull" has been used in demolition of any kind were for small buildings where the construction crew could attach long cables in order to pre-weaken the given structure and literally pull it down with their bulldozers and so forth, had nothing to do with explosives. There's no usage known to man were this has ever been in context ment to bring down a building with explosives. You do not pull down a building with explosives, the context makes no sense hence the "jargon" has never been documented to be used as so. If you disagree then stop posting bs I've already debunked and prove that it has been. Show me one documented case or one CD-contractor who says that "pull" has ever been used when they blow up a building. If you fail, then you can't readily claim it to be a "jargon" to mean blowing up a building, since "pull" in demolition means to denote when you are actually physically pulling the structure down. This old chestnut canard is simply one of the dumbest ever from the truther-camp. Mmm, as if "pull" ment by Silverstein as an admission (which he gave twice in the interview) that the FDNY blew the building up. I mean come on?!? |
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This clown, Jonoleth, is pulling(forgive the pun) this bulldozer nonsense word for word from a site run by a guy named Mark Roberts. http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a Mark Roberts lists his occupation as a New York City tour guide. And is known as the 911 truth movement debunker. I'm not really sure how giving guided tours of nyc qualifies him for anything other than tour guiding but that's probably an awkward question for Markie. After perusing his site it's obvious he's either uninformed, blind or on the Payroll. |
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Look, I've debated alot of technically savy and qualified people of the truther-persuasion, none of which have given much creedence either to the "pull=blowing up building" idiocy. Even Richard Gage has stopped repeating it.
One would think the idea of Silverstein ordering the FDNY to do such a thing, after they had just lost some 300+ of their co-workers and friends in the previous collapse, would be stupid enough, but to go beyond this and claim that "pull it" means not only in the context given but in general to take down a building with explosives is incoherent. Quote:
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You say Silverschweinhund, when saying, "maybe the best thing to do is pull it, and so we made the decision to PULL and we watched as the building collapsed'', you maintain he was NOT suggesting to the Fire Chief that they (someone) should 'PULL' (the building down) because it (in Larry's opinion) was in danger of collapsing? That's what you're trying to convince us isn't it? What do you reckon he actually MEANT when he said this? That they should all go a lap dance session? Or have a steak sandwich? Has it crossed your mind that you might be insane? That slimy, murderous old KIKE said in clear, plain English they blew the fucking buildings to the shithouse! The ink on his $7.2Billion dollar Insurance contracts had not dried when the greatest Insurance Hoax in history took place. He sits there and ADMITS they 'pulled' the building, HE was laughing at us and still is when he dances around the fucking golden calf and with his long, grasping fingers counting his ill gotten insurance shekels. Jews, the 'inner party' did 911 and 3,000 innocent people were murdered in broad daylight for essentially two reasons: First was the costless demolition of financially troubled and structurally challenged buildings which were an albatross around the New York Port Authority's neck. Secondly the false flag which was 911 and even today the poor dumbed down Iowa farm boys over in Iraq getting their testicles shot off think Saddam Hussein did 911. Yet the despite the fact the Jewsmedia has failed to convince the taxpaying herd of American serfs 911 was done by 19 Arabs and box cutters they continue to prattle on about the 'official' version. Drop dead. |
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Again as written earlier from the quoted article in my previous post; Let’s use some logic. Was Silverstein essentially saying; “We’ve had such terrible loss of life that it would be wise to blow up my building,” Or was he saying; “We’ve had such terrible loss of life that it would be wise to withdraw firefighters to prevent further loss of life” Quote:
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Ah yes the classical retort of bla bla, as it is with antis and their "you must be KKK" or "you're a nazi".
I do not care how hard the general essembly have to be pounded, the extremes or irrationale are simply mirroring each others nonsense, regarding the other as the apocalyptical pest. Whining sans on-point retort to given points = waste of space. |
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Hey simpleforeskin, That means Silberkikenstein used the word 'it' to describe a body of men whose occupation is that of a fireman. I don't think so. I suspect he had some brain fade and blurted out the truth which is the entire building seven, just as WTC1 and WTC2 was pre-rigged with thermate and when the Planes crashed into them, kaaaaabloodybooom!! Some slimy Jew was perched nearby with a remote detonator and as people were ooooohhhing and aaaahhhing, he presses a button and kills three thousand goys with two separate blows. Anyone with half a brain can work out Jews benefited most from the inside job that was 911. Wait until all the goy taxpaying serfs find out what happened on 911. Wait until they get smart and jew wise and there won't be enough lamp posts in the USA. |
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It was expected to come down as the firefighters anticipated, they noticed the building had started to lean more and more, that the fires became too severe and widespread for them to handle and that there was an almost 10-story hole in the middle of the structure; Quote:
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One would think the idea of Silverstein ordering the FDNY to do such a thing, after they had just lost some 300+ of their co-workers and friends in the previous collapse, would be stupid enough, but to go beyond this and claim that "pull it" means not only in the context given but in general to take down a building with explosives is incoherent. Jon Magnusson of Magnusson Klemencic Associates says he's never heard "pull" in any context of controlled demolition, only when it has been literally talking about actually pulling down remnants of a building with bulldozers and cables. Since this isn't what happend at the WTC7, the "pull it" thingy even more clearly denotes the recovery & rescue operation a la pull the plug on it etc. Ron Dokell, the ex president of Olshan Demolishing Company confirms the above as does Mark Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition Incorporated, also Blanchard of Protec confirms the same. "Pull" = Withdraw firefighters from danger? Excerpt: Quote:
It obviously refers to the recovery/rescue operation that they had to pull the plug on (withdraw it, pull it etcetc), that is why we saw how the firefighters got pulled out of the WTC7 almost immediately after that call and during the next two, three hours later the building was leaning, burning, tilting and finally came down. |
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What kind of disgusting slimeball would accuse the FDNY of first killing off 375 of their co-workers, their friends, involving a couple of Chiefs, only then to save a few dozen from the WTC7 collapse with pulling out? It DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE and it is a horrible accusation on those who sacrified their lives there. Think a bit before you accuse the FDNY of such atrocious acts, that's libel. Quote:
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What is even more moronic is actually believing this given each of the Airports had airport security run by an ISRAELI security company. But wait, there's more: These (invisible) Arabs were completely unable to fly a Cessna puddle jumper but they were able to manoeuvre HUGE passenger Jets at near speed-of-sound speed and fly them with unerring precision into the three targets. There's still more! Like Lazarus, at least SEVEN of these (invisible) Arabian supermen managed to SURVIVE the impacts because they kinda turned up in Arabia a few weeks after 911. Still there's more! Two planes hit TWO buildings in Jew York and ALL SEVEN buildings are destroyed. And the TAXPAYER picks up the the clean up tab! Lucky Larry gets the $7.2 Billion in Insurance fraud money and goes home to dance around the Golden Calf. Seven years later, 250 Million Americans KNOW the official story is bullshit and there are still little fleas like you rattling away at the Keyboard attempting to cover up for BIG JEW by peddling the CRAP which is the BIG JEWISH LIE Hitler himself described so eloquently in his book. |
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