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Michael Kühnen: builder of the post-ww2 german neonazi movement
Michael Kühnen ,1955-1991
Kühnen who deceased in the year 1991,at the time 36 years old,was raised in a catholic-conservative family.His entrance in the extreme right-wing scene already began at the age of 14 by contacts to the JN (=the youth organisation of the NPD).Within short time he became the nationaldemocratic student speaker in Bonn(=back then capitol of West Germany).From the NPD he moved to the "Aktion Widerstand"(="action resistance") ("Herbert Wehner, Willy Brandt,traitors to the wall!"). For "tactical reasons" as he said later on he joined the JU(= youth organisation of the CDU,the conservatives),but left it again after a few weeks.For a short period of time he also "flirted" with the idea of Communism and even joined the maoist KPD/ML(=Communist Party of Germany/Marxist Leninist).In 1971 he joined the German Federal Armed Forces and studied at the German Federal Armed Forces university of Hamburg(last rank:second lieutenant).From the "Aktion Widerstand" he took over the resistance greeting,which was later on called the "Kühnen-salute".(*1) On 8 May 1977 Kühnen together with two other right-wing extremists created.within the frame of the NSDAP/AO of Gary Lauck,the National Socialist underground organisation "SA-Sturm Hamburg".In public it operated under the harmless-sounding name "club Hansa".In the same year he was dismissed dishonorably from the Armed Forces because of "extreme-right activities".On the 26.November 1977 a legal front-organisation called Aktionsfront Nationaler Sozialisten(ANS) (=Actionfront of National Socialists) emerged out of the "SA-Sturm". Quickly Kühnen became the prominent figure of the neo-nazi scene.Like Ernst Roehm he called himself "the Chief".In Munich he created together with the holocaust-denier Ingrid Weckert the "Antizionistische Aktion"(=Anti-zionist Action").Weckert proved a faithful companion in the following years.Kühnen's plan back then was to come to an arrangement with Iraq and to built a "Anti-zionist Legion",which should be subordinated to the Iraqi army.(*2) Because of the usage of "unconstitutional symbols" he was condemned in 1978 to six months detention,and in 1979 because of incitement of "racial hatred to the masses" and spreading of "neofascist propaganda materials" to another 4 years prison.During this prison time he wrote his political program called "the 2nd revolution".More proceedings followed.After his release from prison in 1982 he again took over leadership of the ANS. After the Federal Ministry of the Interior had forbidden the "Aktionsfront Nationaler Sozialisten/Nationale Aktivisten"(ANS/NA) on 7 December 1983, the main head of the organisation Michael Kühnen,at that time 28 years old,formed a new one named "die Bewegung"(="the Movement").Some of the former ANS/NA activists infiltrated the "Freiheitliche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (FAP) (=the German Labour Freedom Party) and put out a publication called "Die Neue Front"(="The new front")."Die Bewegung" was envisioned by Kühnen as a part of an "european movement" as an "european national socialist alliance in the spirit of the SA".He transformed the former ANS/NA groups together with Thomas Brehl (*3) and Christian Worch(*4) into the "Leserkreise der Neuen Front".He eventualy transformed this successor organization of the ANS/NA into the "Gesinnungsgemeinschaft der Neuen Front"(GdNF).The GdNF stood in the tradition of the SA and the "revolutionery" arm of the NSDAP.At the same time Kühnen called on his activists to further infiltrate the FAP(*5).While the GdNF and the "comitee for the preperation of the ceremonies to the 100.birthday of Adolf Hitler"(KAH) should continue and secure the structures of the underground ANS/NA,the then insignificant FAP should present itsself as the legal arm of the movement,as was revealed in the public process of 1995. In March of 1984 Kühnen fled through Switzerland and Italy into France,so to escape a renewed arrest.With the help of the activists of the french "Faisceux Nationalistes Europeen"(FNE) he did hide in Paris and Chessy,until he was evicted in 1984 to the Federal Republic.In 1985 he was condemned to 3 and a half years prison for spreading ns-propaganda material.Thomas Brehl took over the leadership of the organisation. The adress of the FNE-publication "Notre Europa" was used as a contact adress for his prison "circulars" during his detention time in France.Michel Caignet took over the continuation of the structure work of the international ANS.Gary Lauck promoted the "Die Neue Zeit" which was the official newspaper of the ANS/NA.In socalled "european Führergatherings" the international contacts were deepened.At the end of August 1985 in Paris,in March 1986 in London,in March 1987 in upper Bavaria and finally in September 1987 in Denmark,activists from Austria,France,Spain,Belgium,Ireland and Great Britain met.Kühnen used his already established contacts and continued to build the "european movement" as "a political vanguard on the march into the IV. Reich".Otto Riehs,a former activist of the neo-nazi Sozialistischen Reichspartei(SRP) (=Socialist Reich Party) and later on an activist of the NPD,as well as Willi Krämer,the last propaganda chief in the southern parts of the 3. Reich,were "friends and contributors" of the GdNF. Because of Kühnen's homosexuality(*6) it came to a split in 1986 with Jürgen Mosler and his followers,under them Volker Heidel and Michael Swierczek. Michel Caignet,chief of the foreign affairs,was persecuted from the movement for the same reasons.Caignet had distributed the magazine "Gaie France" to comrades.Kühnen solidarized with Caignet and withdrew from the GdNF with a writing called "National Socialism and Homosexuality".The writing was dedicated to Johannes Buegner,a homosexual from the neo-nazi scene,who in 1981 became a victom of a Feme murder.The "movement controversy" split the GdNF into two wings: on one side the Kühnen-wing (with Thomas Brehl,Christian Worch,Walter Mathaei,Christian Malcoci) and the circle around the FAP-activist Jürgen Mosler(with Volker Heidel,Friedhelm Busse,Thomas "Steiner" Wulff(*7),Michael Swiercek).The Mosler-wing called out homosexuals in their own ranks as "traitors of the Volk";comrades have the "reproduction obligation".Kühnen countered him with "stoneage-National Socialism" accusations. Under the impression of this conflict Kühnen started reconstructing the organization while still in prison.This led to another accusation before the criminal court in Hamburg.His legal representative this time was Jürger Rieger(*8).In the same year he wrote the "political encyclopedia of the new front".After his release in spring 1988 Kühnen started his travel activity abroad to strengthen the existing ties with the comrades abroad.He focused on an european-wide cross-linking under the "committee for the preparation to the 100. birthday of Adolf Hitler"(KAH).In October 1988 he announced the reviving of the "european movement" in the "Neuen Front".In August a Kühnen-delegation took part on a conference of CEDADE in Almeria (Andalusia).On 12.December 1988 the discussions with the Cedade-chief Pedro Varela continued in Munich.Right in time for the Führer's birthday both confronting wings of the neo-nazi movement put their differences aside.Five functioneries of the Kühnen-wing and five functioneries of the Mosler-wing announced that in future they will both restrain from attacking the political and personal integrity of all those signing the agreement,so to enforce the movement for the coming Adolf-Hitler-year. At the end of January his "working plan east"(*9) appeared,which proposed the building of militant extreme-right structures in the former communist east Germany.The,in the year 1989,created east organization "Deutsche Alternative"(DA) (="German Alternative"),got the role of a mass-organization -in addition to the cadre-organization"Gesinnungsgemeinschaft der Neuen Front-W(est)".The DA-activists tried to represent themselves to the public as a moderate "nationalist Party". Kühnen reserved his hatred for the "liberal-capitalistic system" and hoped for an alliance between the massive revolutionery movements of the extreme right and the extreme left which would eventualy tear down the "capiatlist pigs in Bonn,those representatives of foreign interests" into the abyss.Hitler was considered to as the "savior of the aryan race".The charisma of the "Führer" was still unbroken,he repeatedly explained.Thats why he has no interest in beeing "a new Führer".His leadership qualities were extraodinary and he operated a skillful media confrontation,whereby he could bring himself and his organizations time and time again to the public attention.Kühnen also recognized early on the recruiting potential of the hooligan scene.During 18 years of political activity he spend seven and a half years in prison. After Kühnens death in 1991 his official successors Christian Worch,Arnulf Priem,Heinz Reisz and Gottfried Küssel tried to continue his ideas.They focused on the "work plan east".namely the building of national socialist cadres and underground-structures particulary in east Germany.The target group is the right-wing youth subculture.The GdNF however gradualy lost its influence and meaning.In 1992 in the "faithfull to the reich" "Staatsbriefe" of the former WELT-editor Hans-Dietrich Sander an article of the neonazi media-star apperead posthum,with the title:"Basics of Paganism".In it Kühnen requested for paganism to be renewed as a new religion.Pagan is a person who "with his mind and his soul feels adressed by a myth,practices the rites,and as a deep thinking person understands and promotes the ethics of the preservation and development of the Volk,Race and Culture".(*10) (*1) The three fingers of the socalled "Kühnen-salute" represent the letter "W" for "Widerstand",which is the german word for Resistance.The "Kühnen-salute" was used by the neo-nazi movement as a substitute for the forbidden Hitler-salute.Today the Kühnen-salute is forbidden too. (*2)Indeed many german neo-nazis in the 80's,for example under Hoffman,fought on the side of Arrafat's PLO and the Hamas against Israel and the Jews. (*3)Thomas Brehl is active today in the KDS ("Kampfbund Deutscher Sozialisten").An organization which wants to unite the extreme left and the extreme right movements. (*4)Christian Worch is today an active neo-nazi.He organizes many of the smaller and the bigger demos.He also speaks on many of them.He is somewhat considered among the unofficial german "neonazi leaders" of today. He is not a member of the NPD and he critisizes the Party often.He organizes the "leaderless" more radical nazi underground movement. (*5)The FAP was the last time when radical neonazis controlled and had a political Party of their own.After its banning from the German Democracy the radical neonazis are kind of stuck with the NPD. (*6)Actually Kühnen was bisexual.He had a girlfriend he lived with and wanted to start a family with.His homsexual escapades costed him his health and he died from AIDS in 1991.His most fanatic followers still dont believe today that he was in any way homosexual and that ZOG had him killed and later on besmeared his integrity because ZOG was so fearfull of him. (*7)Thomas Wulff ist today still an active radical neo-nazi.His theory: The NPD should be pushed to accept national socialist reforms not only due to pressure from the outside (Worch) but also from within the Party.He therefore joined the NPD and represents the radical arm of the Party. (*8)The same Jürgen Rieger who would have assisted Ernst Zündel as an atorney at his own trial.See for more info:http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.p...ghlight=zundel (*9)Indeed its this "work plan east" which is responsible for the strong neo-nazi movement today in east Germany.The NPD and other extreme-right Parties base their successfulness on this programm.They just came afterwards to collect the votes so to speak. (*10)Kühnen foresaw the end of Christianity and the rising of paganism.He quickly and correctly enforced his followers to take this new "cult" seriously since it will attract many young minds and to infiltrate it now at its beginning so to be able to lead and influence it later on.
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Some thoughts about Kühnen's book called "the 2nd Revolution".He did write this book straight out of his prison cell in 1978.Today its distribution and/or aquirement is forbidden by law.
It is a short book,almost a pamphlet.It uses no special sophisticated languange since it should adress the mainstream ns-activist of his day.Its a small,comprehensible activist book.One must keep in mind that he wrote it in 1978 when the communist east still existed.He nevertheless believed ns-victory is possible and and that national socialism would overcome capitalism and communism.Now let us see at some interesting points he made back then: 1.National Socialism is for export.He recognized that this struggle we are in is a global struggle for the entire white race.That the problems Germany faced,or would be facing in future,are not different than those other white nations faced/or will be facing in future.Nevertheless he explained that as a german neo-nazi he must first address and solve the problems of his own Volk before thinking of saving other white peoples.First Germany,than Europe and after that the world. 2.He knew even back in 1978 in his prison cell that the russian people are anti-semitic and racist to the core.Thats why he explained the soviet goverments,even those after Stalin (whom he always referred to as a National Communist),had to pass anti-semitic and/or racist desicions from time to time so to appease the sentiment of the people. He predicted that should ever communism fall in Russia,it would have all the needed requirements for a National Socialist revolution. 3.He explained that Germany after two lost world wars cant take up against the world alone again.Indeed the revolution will start in the east and move to the west.Germany and the slavic people will ally and form a coalition against the USA led capitalism. Eventualy he prophesized,Germany will fullfill its destiny to lead the white nations and rule over the world. 4.Capitalism is the main opponent of National Socialism.It is stronger and more deceiving than communism.Thats why the strategies in the capitalists countries have to differ from those applied by the ns-movement in the communist countries. 4a.In communist countries the ns-movement can ally with the reactionery forces but only from a position of power.The resistance to communism must not come from the liberal-democratic block.Nationalist and/or national socialist forces must lead the opposition to communism.Where this is not the case,these nationalist forces must restrain from participating in any alliances with liberal-democratic forces.The ns-movement must not under any circumstances become the cannon-fodder of capitalism in its struggle against communism. 4b.In capistalistic countries alliances with reactioneries are a no-no! The enemy is clear and its liberal-capitalism.In these countries an alliance with the extreme left and even the communist forces must take place so to overthrow capitalism.We do not interfere in the struggle of the communists against the capitalist state.On the contrary we should always cheer them on.An absolute hard line must be adopted by the ns-movement in capitalist countries against any kind of reactioneries.Our natural allies are the revolutioneries. 5.He blamed german defeat in world war 2 on the reactionery forces within the NSDAP and the society as a whole.In particular he blamed defeat of Germany on the reactionery Wehrmacht.The revolution of 1933 was only half-done.It was not complete and the reactionery forces in Germany at the time pressured Hitler hard to not complete the revolution,which SA-leader Ernst Röhm would have put through.That is a mistake that should not be repeated a second time.This time the 2nd Revolution Röhm had planed should take place. 6.He was not against terrorist attacks against the democratic state.One should only judge these things from a tactical point of view he said.Right-wing terrorism will not overthrow the democratic state but it could under circumstances,help "demask" democracy and capitalism and promote the ideas and ideology of the movement.Back in 1978 when he wrote the book he explained that there is no need whatsoever for extreme-right terrorism so long as the RAF is active.As long as left wing extremists practice terror on democracy and capitalism there is no tactical need for ns-activists to resolve to such measures. Some of his followers didnt agree with him on this point ,like Odfried Hepp and built their own ns-terror troop and practiced terror attacks on stationed american and british troops.For more info see here:http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=25194&page=1 7.Communism and especially capitalism dont have to offer any spirituality to the people.Thats why they heavily promote materialism,which has to sooner or later result to the destruction of the system itself.The first priority of the NS-movement after coming to power must than be to establish a new Volksgemeinschaft.This Volksgemeinschft will offer spirituality to the people again.At the same time he declared that a functioning Volksgemeinschaft can only be built on the grounds of Socialism. This are only some of his thought provoking points.It is sad to see good-meaning ns in the us and england trying to reinvent the wheel over and over and over again when its already all said,written,tried and done before.
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A catholic homosexual pagan. Sounds like a hollywood screenwriter made this all up.fooey on him.
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Very interesting posts alex. It is unfortunate that he was a homosexual, not only because it took his life but also because it aided in causing fractures in the movement and some people are just going to see "homosexual" and not examine his thoughts.
That being said, I also must add, that adherence to one faith system to the detriment of another is not a NS quality. Spirituality is very important, a sense of faith and wonder, but the way a man expresses his spirituality is his own business as long as it does not cause harm or danger to the volk. Christian, pagan, is of no concern to me. Decisions should always be based on logic, observation, experience and the appearance of the will in the individual and the people. Now, Kühnen's ideas appears to me to be mostly quite sound, and in the anglo-saxon world we have Yockey who fairly much made the same points. The only disagreement I have is with point 5. Quote:
Hitler was thinking in terms of centuries. NS is a world-view and while the party could for the time being depend upon the state to side with the party in inculcating this world-view within the people, that might not always be the case (Julian the Apostate comes to mind for some reason). Any party that allowed itself to become absorbed by the state would become a mere appendage to an eventually totalitarian regime that would rule "over" the people using fear, intimidation and violence. The party by remaining independant of the state ensured it was always of the people, from the people, with the people, that it was a "truly social movement", down to its very bones. Röhm would not see this eternal truth, thus he made himself an enemy of the people. The reason why NS carries on is because of these decisions by Hitler and the party leadership. It is the reason why NS remained a worldview rather than becoming a mere political philosophy. NS could never have won regardless of the decisions made at that time in history, in the end it could only sow the seeds for future victory. This is why Himmler's name should be spat upon, because he thought he knew better than Hitler, thinking of today, or a few years down the way, instead of encompassing the totality of western experience, today and tomorrow. What we need are visionaries such as Hitler, Gobbels, Dietrich Eckhart, today!
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First of all,these are not my expressed opinions but those of Michael Kühnen.I tried to give an overall fair description of his life and ideas.Before continuing on commenting the posts i forgot to mention another firm believe of Kühnen,which he also expressed in his writings:
8.He saw the struggle we are in with the perspective of generations and not his own life-time. His generation he commented had the obligation to revive national socialism and to promote it to the german youth.It was up to the next generation(mine) to make sure that the movement grows into a strong,powerfull and good organized political alternative to the current system.And it was the duty of the generation after(my children) to eventualy tear this system down and revolt. 9.National socialist propaganda should reach the youth.Older whites are already a lost cause.It should always appeal to young germans who are not yet completely "formed" by society. Quote:
He was bisexual,i've already commented on this before. I dont believe that he was a "pagan".He most surely was an atheist.But he saw the dynamics of paganism and how he could use them for the Cause. Cthulhu, on the homosexual thing: yes,you are right.One has only to look to a post like that of A.Hoffman.Indeed at first i didnt want to mention it because i feared that thereby i could not make the point i was trying to bring through.But after some consideration i did post it because it gives an objective criticism of the character of Michael Kühnen and in fact it was an issue in the movement back then as it is today. on the faith thing: Kühnen himself was most propably an atheist and had no problems whatsoever with christain and pagan ns.But we have to look at the facts: Christianity in Germany is dead. The chruches are empty.The averange church-goer is about 60+ years old.Rarely you see anyone in his 40's.Young churchgoers are non-existant. He saw how the "liberals" hijacked the Green movement which was originaly a "nazi thing" and feared that the same thing would happen to the arising pagan scene.Under no circumstances should the pagan scene transform into some "new age" bullshit.Instead it should be "hijacked" by nazis which would lead and influence it from the beginning. on Röhm: i personally believe that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.Röhm and his proletarian SA were shocked when they saw Adolf HItler in 1933 with a suit and tie going into an alliance with reactionery forces. You see these revolutioneries feared nothing more than a watered down,moderate, reactionery-transformed NS.They feared that reactioneries would "hijack" ns and Adolf Hitler.The future proved them wrong.Indeed it was the other way round,but they couldnt foresee something like that in 1933. On the other hand i believe that there was a chance a revolutionery "Wehrmacht" or else an SA-Army would have won the war,instead of this reactionery-aristocratic -led Wehrmacht.
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Glorification of homosexuality, or even considering it some kind of normal activity is New Age/Jewish Century. He would have been in prison for being a fag in any country in Europe, before the Jews took over.
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Abzug Hoffman,
this thread is not about homosexuality.If you want to discuss homosexuality please start a new thread.This here is solely for commenting on Kühnen's political ideas and political activism. Please dont destroy this thread,i beg you. Thank you.
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thanks for the educational thread. I read about Kuhnen years ago in Ingo Hasselbach's book. Perhaps you might introduce VNN readers to Ingo Hasselbach as well. |
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I agree with focusing on the youth. If you aren't thinking about the next generation and fighting for them what the hell are you doing? That requires a mentoring program tho', spotting different talent, then training and educating them.
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German neonazis doing the "Kühnen-salute" sometime in the late 70's early 80's. Title of the magazine:"Our time will come!"-Right extremism in the youth. Kühnen(left) and Worch(right) doing the Kühnen-salute.(1988)
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I strictly am against the approval of homosexuality - Kühnen was a proponent of it -, such things are perversions of nature and must be expelled by all means.
He was not the builder of the post-ww2 ns movement. Wiking Jugend and other TRUE NS-Organizations existet long before in the Federal Republic of Jewmany. my english is to bad to explain more. Quotes from a true NS about Kühnen and Röhm: Quote:
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As someone wrote not so long ago, if someone is a genuine National Socialist they should be capable of changing themselves by using their will - achieving a personal triumph of the will. In the case of being a homosexual, this would mean putting one's race, one's folk, before one's personal sexual desires and either marrying a healthy Aryan women and having children, or adopting some Aryan children to raise with a wife. Whatever, race comes before self. So, was he a true National Socialist? You decide... BTW, the quote about using one's will as it relates to homosexuality comes fgrom Myatt's The Future Reich. |
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The homosexuality thing again...
Maybe i should start out by saying that i dont endorse or promote homosexuality.As a matter of fact homosexuality sickens me.But that doesnt change the fact that i can look at the person Kühnen objectively.I hope thats the last time this annonying issue has come up on this thread. Either you like him or you hate him: Kühnen was the builder of the post ww2 german movement as we know it today.Sure the Wiking Youth existed as other organisations i could name.But the movement was going the way of the dodo-bird.Thanks to Kühnen this trend was reversed.He was "our Rockwell". On the rest of the tirades by Dr.Brandt...the usual anti-Röhm propaganda with some conspiracy theories thrown in.Not to be taken seriously.
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Further, if one is inclined a certain way, for whatever reason, then there is a NS duty of personal change, using one's will. This is the truth of NS - at least of genuine National Socialism. The NS that lives, that is founded upon personal honor. Now, did this individual use his will to change himself and place his duty to his folk, first? Or did he just carry on as he was, while outwardly upholding what he considered to be NS? You have to ask - why was he killed? That gives the answer to the question above. Quote:
Fact is - not many people know what these NS criteria are. They are - personal honor; loyalty; duty to one's folk; and changing one's self by using one's will through striving for excellence, by striving to think, live, as a National Socialist. Here is a quote: Quote:
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Take your religion and go stick it up your arse! It is those trying to turn NS into something that it is not who are its enemies. NS is a worldview, not a religion, thus it remains compatible (more to some than others) with religions because religions may orient themselves to a worldview, the worldview being the context for interpretation! Making it this religious crap limits its possibilites and power.
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Here is a standard definition (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) - religion is "Belief in or sensing of some superhuman powers or powers... ; a system defining a code of living." NS surely defines a code of living. Anyway, in case you haven't noticed, NS is not something static - it is evolving; changing. As it should. Quote:
Now you and others can decry this evolution - this reasoned development of National Socialism - and insist that NS is only a political belief or a political idea. Fine. Whatever. Others go with Myatt and see a process of organic, numinous, change going on here. Agree to disagree - while fighting our common enemy. But don't divide us even further and castigate those who don't follow your particular view, your particular Party line, as "enemies". That, surely is playing into the hands of ZOG, isn't it? |
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Temper? What NSist isn't going to be angry when some piece of shit cretin comes slipping in trying to destroy National Socialism, even if they call it evolution?
The Theology of National-Socialism: An Examination of National-Socialism, Christianity and Islam Waht's that? Comparative theology!?! I wish asome bird had dropped a tortose on the head of that bitch race traitor Devi, before she crawled out of her Hindoo hole to weigh down the movement with her mystical mumbo jumbo, and then throw Myatt's body in the pit afterwards with hers. For all this talk of "evolving", Werner Von Braun didn't believe in evolution. Surprising? No. Quote:
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Where turning a world-view into a religion ends:
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I have given a civilized reply. Readers can decide for themselves, on the basis of reason - and maybe even applying the criteria of personal honor. Quote:
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