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Old May 26th, 2014 #201
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As for topics, I don't know if you could say something about how to get a Golden Dawn type of thing going in the US. I don't mean electorally because a parliamentary system certainly helps them out over there, but in terms of setting up perhaps food banks for Whites only. I assume they would get shut down fairly quick yet what is stopping us from just opening up another one?

I'm pessimistic it would work here because there isn't a single White group (just Greeks), plus informants, law inforcement plants could easily set leaders up a la Matt Hale. Over in Greece they don't have that problem.

It reminds me of Hitler's quote that National Socialism isn't exportable. Every time I think and try to make it work here I write down an enormous list of objects on why it wouldn't. Our system is just too fucked.
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As for topics, I don't know if you could say something about how to get a Golden Dawn type of thing going in the US. I don't mean electorally because a parliamentary system certainly helps them out over there, but in terms of setting up perhaps food banks for Whites only. I assume they would get shut down fairly quick yet what is stopping us from just opening up another one?

I'm pessimistic it would work here because there isn't a single White group (just Greeks), plus informants, law inforcement plants could easily set leaders up a la Matt Hale. Over in Greece they don't have that problem.

It reminds me of Hitler's quote that National Socialism isn't exportable. Every time I think and try to make it work here I write down an enormous list of objects on why it wouldn't. Our system is just too fucked.
I think trying to apply the Golden Dawn model directly to America , as in food banks (not really sufficiently necessary, since people still have food stamps, then again there might be some rural parts of America that are different), is not the answer.

What needs to applied is the spirit of Golden Dawn and National Socialism. That is, having solidarity with your fellow kinsman, to the point where you put them above yourself. That really reaches people, and wins their hearts and minds even when the media attacks you.

Instead of using all that money to set up go nowhere "think-tanks" like the National Policy Institute, how about Dick Spencer put on some work gloves and help cut some timber alongside poor whites that still use fire places for heating? Instead of having a paid staff of Batman reviewers on Counter-Currents, why don't its authors give their salaries up to buy school supplies for white kids in West Virginia? Instead of spending untold thousands on Ron Paul who doesn't want or even need our money, like Stormfront did, why not do a drive to buy gas gift cards for white families in some of the poorest states of America, or raise money to pay for a poor white kids cancer treatment? Why not organize a sports tournament on some fairgrounds for the youth? Why not have some of the more militant but trained, disciplined, and legalistic (like Curtis Sliwas "Guardian Angels") young whites do patrols of some of the more dangerous "integrated" neighborhoods where whites are afraid to leave the house?

The first step to take is to develop a genuine love for your people and a hate (without hooliganism) for your enemy, and build a new culture based on this unity of opposites. More emotionally raw and warm cultures like the ones in Southern Europe have an easier time doing this than Americans, but its still possible. Without this, any political and social outreach will fall flat on its face.

You have to show your people that you're different from the status quo, and that they can trust you and believe in you to carry out their will. Dropping newspapers on their front doors anonymously won't do that. You have to give them a reason to give you the benefit of the doubt and to let you into their hearts and minds, and be heroes of the people, not elitist assholes. The Christians are way ahead of American white nationalists on this one.

The problem with America is the culturally ingrained hatred for the underdog. I even see this playing out on this forum. Unfortunately for a lot of the ex-conservatives and libertarians on this forum, most whites are the underdog , and those are the people you have to connect with to fight together against injustice.
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Old May 28th, 2014 #204
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I think trying to apply the Golden Dawn model directly to America , as in food banks (not really sufficiently necessary, since people still have food stamps, then again there might be some rural parts of America that are different), is not the answer.
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Here's the thing of it. It's mostly shitskins that get those things; the food stamps and all that. In any event, when I mention food I mean an all-encompassing term of what people need to live. Such as diapers, toilet paper, laundry detergent, household items like that. Gas cards are a tremendous idea. Across the board of course prices on items have gone way up and this is really fucking people over and lowering their living standards.

Give out outdoors equipment, sports equipment, I'm thinking fishing poles, shit like that to help White kids live more self-sustaining and enriching lives. Get the fuck out of the house and cut out the video games.

Gardening equipment perhaps (of course they need to be motivated enough but if you want it, take it, and fuckin do it).

We see that people may put off having kids because of the prohibitive costs. So I'm talking an all-encompassing plan.

Then these people see what we're about, read our literature, and take action for the cause. But then this brings me back to concern #1 of informants: ZOG will always have more to give than us. Pipe dream.
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Here's the thing of it. It's mostly shitskins that get those things; the food stamps and all that. In any event, when I mention food I mean an all-encompassing term of what people need to live. Such as diapers, toilet paper, laundry detergent, household items like that. Gas cards are a tremendous idea. Across the board of course prices on items have gone way up and this is really fucking people over and lowering their living standards.

Give out outdoors equipment, sports equipment, I'm thinking fishing poles, shit like that to help White kids live more self-sustaining and enriching lives. Get the fuck out of the house and cut out the video games.
I think this touches on another point. One of the biggest problems in America today is the lost art of masculinity, which many young white men in particular are yearning for, even some who don't know it. Teaching fishing, martial arts, hiking, camping, and other masculine bonding activities are vital for creating unity and an environment of comraderie.

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Then these people see what we're about, read our literature, and take action for the cause. But then this brings me back to concern #1 of informants: ZOG will always have more to give than us. Pipe dream.
American groups are broken down by ZOG because A) Groups like the NSM tend to attract too many people from the underworld or looking for shock value B) They focus too much on getting together to talk day and night about niggers and mexicans, but not enough about establishing the espirit des corps and what they're going to offer whites.

Create a band of brothers who genuinely care about one another, who are selfless, brave, bold, disciplined, and with 0 tolerance for drama and petty squabbles, and ZOG can still infiltrate, but to what extent? Will ZOG agents and informants come with you on your mission to cut firewood for poor whites? Then good, write your local FBI office a thank you letter after theyre done. Once you establish a group of good , highly disciplined, and morally unrelenting men, the ZOG agents become easier and easier to sniff out (it will usually be the one that never wants to help out, or donate any money, or is always trying to start problems and divisions within the group).

One thing white nationalists can learn from the communists is Democratic Centralism. The idea is, there can be free debate in the group prior to doing something, but once a consensus is reached, everyone has to follow . The weight of opinions should also be based on who is the most active and who does the most within this hypothetical nationalist party, IE on merit. Those that refuse to attend a demonstration or social solidarity event without a very good and documented excuse should be booted immediately. The emphasis ought to be quality, rather than quantity, small groups of willful men will always achieve more than large groups of nancy boys, egoists, and narcissists.
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Old June 11th, 2014 #206
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Ok...new show coming up.

In this I discuss

- what's new at VNN (writings I posted monday: book notes, movie thumbs, On Writing column, On Strategy column, Idee Midden: Writer's Notebook; new update/plans for kirksvilletoday.com; ADF books added to pdf thread)
- my bookshelf (went through one shelf: the religious books)
- discussion of first part of article against racialism: http://www.tradyouth.org/2014/06/lay...nd-liberalism/ (i attack christianity as the source of liberalism and point out how the christian is arguing that god is a nigger, that god is at odds with himself, that god must favor genocide; that religion is anti-social while science is pro-social and much more)
- close with stirring rendition (good example of the cliche-lite 'stirring rendition' i discussed in my On Writing column monday) of Mah Luv is Conditional
- plan to do a second podcast tomorrow finishing up this article and then performing an appreciation of Mencken, with reading of and reaction to his work in his own self-chosen Chrestomathy
- this podcast clocks in at 2.5 hours

#10 - 06-11-14 - http://vanguardnewsnetwork.com/downl...-06-11-010.mp3 (134MB, 2:27)
 
Old June 11th, 2014 #207
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Praise Jeboo, I can finally get my Linder fix! I was starting to get the shakes.
 
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Praise Jeboo, I can finally get my Linder fix! I was starting to get the shakes.
well good...like i said, i will do more hours tomorrow if things go right.
 
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Audio quality is a lot better I think. Less popping.

Can't comment on the volume, or if it's still too low since I use headphones and usually have it up pretty high.
 
Old June 11th, 2014 #210
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Was the third Traditionalist you were trying to recall during your podcast René Guénon?
 
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Was the third Traditionalist you were trying to recall during your podcast René Guénon?
No, it was Savitri Devi actually. Guenon is not one I've read; I know he's of big concern to many of them.
 
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This was the guy I couldn't remember last name of: Russell Baker

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Ok...new show coming up.

In this I discuss

- what's new at VNN (writings I posted monday: book notes, movie thumbs, On Writing column, On Strategy column, Idee Midden: Writer's Notebook; new update/plans for kirksvilletoday.com; ADF books added to pdf thread)
- my bookshelf (went through one shelf: the religious books)
- discussion of first part of article against racialism: http://www.tradyouth.org/2014/06/lay...nd-liberalism/ (i attack christianity as the source of liberalism and point out how the christian is arguing that god is a nigger, that god is at odds with himself, that god must favor genocide; that religion is anti-social while science is pro-social and much more)
- close with stirring rendition (good example of the cliche-lite 'stirring rendition' i discussed in my On Writing column monday) of Mah Luv is Conditional
- plan to do a second podcast tomorrow finishing up this article and then performing an appreciation of Mencken, with reading of and reaction to his work in his own self-chosen Chrestomathy
- this podcast clocks in at 2.5 hours

#10 - 06-11-14 - http://vanguardnewsnetwork.com/downl...-06-11-010.mp3 (134MB, 2:27)
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A Defense of Christianity, in Response to Alex Linder

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Yes, I’m responding to Alex Linder’s podcast [Not Safe For Work], and I don’t apologize for doing so. He’s an intelligent, persuasive, and charismatic White Nationalist whose hateful, profanity-laden, and sophomoric tirades are interlaced with substantial criticisms which warrant a response.

Linder suggests that I’m confused for hosting this wide range of perspectives. If so, I’ve been confused from day one of the project, having kicked it off with a Mission Statement outlining the broad coalition we’re attempting to build. Orthodox Max and Mike aren’t even “White Nationalists”, and TradYouth is inclusive of their perspectives. Their message is perfectly at home with and consistent with the overarching project here, which is designed to build dialogues, relationships, and bridges between the identitarian and traditionalist schools and communities of fellowship.

His target was our recent article by Orthodox Max (reposted by Orthodox Mike) entitled “Laying Down the Gauntlet: a Critique of Racism and Liberalism.” Beneath all the predictable atheist snark is his claim that religion is integrally universalist and therefore leads naturally and directly to racial relativism. For all of his full-throated anti-semitism, he frames Jewish subversion as a merely opportunistic infection, with the root cause of Western decline being Christianity and its aversion to his “realitarianism”. Even the vast majority of atheists are in his estimation “post-Christians”, and Christianity manages to find itself accountable for the legions of anti-Christian anti-Whites. And if the Jews are still to blame, it’s only because Christianity is supposedly a Jewish scheme.

This assertion, that “Religion and Liberalism are flip-sides of the same coin” is similar to the folk religionist variant which accuses Christians of being integrally “universalist” while their pagan religion is specifically European. Within this dichotomy, any and all abstract moral frameworks are threats to our racial survival, and Christianity merely happens to be the most prevalent threat. Conversely, our racial survival supposedly depends on adopting a moral framework similar to the modern Jewish religion, wherein you have one morality for the chosen and one morality for the goyim.

In the abstract, this seems plausible; but only in the abstract. In practice, Linder’s demonstrably incorrect. “Christianity” is a very broad term inclusive of a wide array of rather distinct traditions and belief systems. Within the podcast itself, Linder goes into detail about his own Christian Science upbringing, with a curious faith tradition which is perhaps as alien to Orthodoxy as it is to Linder’s own materialist existentialism. “Christianity” is inclusive of single seed, dual seed, British Israelite, and Latter-Day Saint denominations which all employ variants of moral parochialism. Furthermore, “Christianity” is also inclusive of “kinism“, Catholic communitarianism, and Orthodox Nationalism which adopt a “universal particularist” (or pluriversalist) approach to racial and ethnic identity.

The majority of European folk religionists and folk religionist institutions denounce “racism” as vigorously as any mainstream American Christian. Needless to say, the vast majority of humanist and existentialist atheists are vehemently anti-White. This is what’s so queer about Linder’s alleged realitarianism. If White Survival follows so naturally and directly from skepticism of Christianity and rejection of universal moral frameworks, then why are Linder and his ilk so exceedingly rare?

They’re rare because Alex Linder’s metapolitical premises are false.

Linder’s problem is that he’s an idealist. Pretensions of gritty vulgar realism aside, he’s a gifted abstract thinker at home in the realm of ideas. We’re all guilty of the perception bias whereby we project our own thinking patterns onto others. We have no other model for how others think than ourselves, so our theory of mind for those around us gravitates towards our own. In another time and place, Linder would have made a superb priest, alas the corruption of himself and of the Church in this fallen age has set the two interminably at odds. Our plight is about power, not ideas.

Under Linder’s ironically dubbed “realitarianism”, our plight is really just a matter of some bad ideas we’ve adopted. According to this magical thinking, White folks just need to brush off our Christian faith, our humanization of non-whites, and our social anxiety about taking those bold steps.

No.

Our problem is one of power dynamics, of our being under the boot heel of mercantile elites whose profiteering trumps our survival and Jewish oligarchs whose historical ressentiment of Western Christendom is the hormetic glue keeping secular Jewry in the shtetl. And the only way to transcend this power dynamic is through a vanguard of crusaders with a transcendent ideal revolting against it.

Linder, being well-versed in E. Michael Jones and other dissident Christian authors, has been thoroughly familiarized with the weight and scope of influence, blackmail, and corruption brought down upon institutional Christianity in the West. Institutional Christianity has been castrated and crippled, alongside every other institution which posed a credible threat to the Judeo-Masonic deep state. Even institutions as integrally parochial as Asatruism are parroting the anti-White line, encouraging Africans and East Asians alike to join them in worship of their Nordic nature gods. It could not possibly be more obvious that the Christian family of belief systems themselves and their “universalism” are entirely beside the point.

Moral universalism and Christianity are nowhere near the root cause of the problem. In fact, I believe that moral universalism in the form of Radical Traditionalism; and Christianity, more specifically Orthodox Christianity, are the best hope for a solution. The egoistic individualism Alex Linder promotes (without consistently subscribing to in practice) is that which Europe’s mercantile elite promoted within Christianity during the Protestant Reformation, paving the way for the cascade of subversions of identity and tradition which have followed. It’s the actual ideological entrapment which we must break free from before our identities and traditions can be effectively defended.

The belief in something transcending self (that which Linder snidely refers to as our being ants in an ant hill) is precisely what we must embrace. The deification of self which libertarians like Linder subscribe to is integrally incompatible with our survival because our survival positively requires a remnant vanguard of men and women willing and able to sacrifice themselves for the collective survival of the transcendent whole. For a man who is his own god, the cause of survival can never and will never progress beyond anonymous kvetching because that’s as far as his activism can go before it becomes a form of deicide.

Linder chortles that existentialists like themselves can confirm their godhead with the act of lifting their fingers, and yet how few of these fingers are lifted in pursuit of anything transcending self-interest in this Mercantile Age of self-worship and self-service? Can we ever expect these doughnut glaze and cheese powder encrusted fingers of the Modern World to rise in defiance of social censure, death, or even impoverishment in defense of their tribes, their ancestors, or their progeny? Linder has, to his credit, managed to relegate himself to a rather ascetic existence as a social pariah in defense of family and folk despite his stated beliefs, earning himself a prominent voice before the tens of thousands of anonymous followers for whom our worldly salvation from a horrific future as the disempowered and hated minority is little more than a scintillating intellectual exercise.

The day when arguing and fighting for our survival becomes compatible with the modern individualist paradigm will come immediately after the day that collectivists who believe in a reality transcending their lone egos lay down their lives to make that day possible.

I fancy myself a big fan of reality, too. I believe “realitarianism” is perfectly compatible with being a Christian. I’m also a big fan of science and I’m always looking for opportunities to cut through the rhetoric and abstractions in search of a firm test of our hypotheses. Linder’s hypothesis is that secular skeptical humanists can and will be effectively mobilized in defense of our identities. My hypothesis is that only a small fraction of skeptics are capable of whipping themselves into a self-sacrificial psychosis, and are only capable of doing so in brief self-glorifying stunts.

Even when the secular individualist sacrifices himself for the collective, he manages to do so as a lone individual, and make it all about himself.

In parallel with the debate between transcendent traditionalism and individualism is the debate between moral parochialism and moral universalism. Linder falsely frames this as a debate between skepticism and Christianity, though the battle lines wind through both camps, featuring skeptical universalists and parochialist Christians. I barely find the subject worthy of debate, as the better-bred White elites have always been and always will be integrally universalist on a basic genetic level. Whites, or at least the White elites, are abstraction-oriented by nature, removed from the tribalist instincts familiar to the vast majority of the world’s people (including a good share of the White folk).

You can pitch White Survival in terms which aren’t universal and abstract, but those with ears to hear visceral tribalism aren’t the cognitive or political elites capable of upending the current order. It’s a waste of time. Paganism effectively died in Rome long before Christianity made its appearance, with abstract universalism bubbling up centuries before Christianity. When the first men of European stock began putting quills to scroll in Ancient Greece, their earliest writings were abandoning their pre-civilized animism in favor of universalist abstractions. If anything, it would be more plausible to argue that early Christianity was poisoned with Hellenic moral universalism than that Europeans were poisoned with Christian moral universalism.

Not that I’m arguing that or care to argue that. Orthodox Christian Tradition is sublime and correct just the way I found it. White Survival will only be possible when Traditional Christianity reclaims its rightful place in (or near or around?) our hearts. Only then will we have men and women willing and able to make the collective humble sacrifices over decades and generations which will be necessary to rebuild our communities and identities as bulwarks against our mercantile elites and the Jewish oligarchs. I have hope for Linder, even as he hisses and spits in my general direction, because the sacrifices he’s made contradict the degenerate egoism he’s propagating.
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[quote=Cora McGuire;1701502]Matt Parrott's response:


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I read about 30 seconds of that word-clot and asked myself:

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Funny he mocks how Alex looks when Parrott is the splitting image of the 'tips fedora' autist. http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/747485-tips-fedora

I don't really see him countering much of what Alex said against Christianity in the two hour podcast. Just some weak arguments that Alex has already addressed 100x times before, and using the typical false analogy of trying to compare apples and oranges, ex: comparing the "religion" of atheism (which isn't a real thing, just a label for someone who denies something irrational) to the actual religion of christianity. He also acknowledges that christianity is based on spiritual and moral universalism, but somehow thinks it's a good thing

Then again it's difficult to argue logic with people who believe they receive holy communion through eating zombie christ's corpse and drinking his blood, even if it's only symbolic to some, it's still perverse... like bantu niggers thinking they absorb the spirit of the people they cannibalize.

I actually kind of think he knows Alex is right. Most of his response is weak and actually has veiled compliments of Alex throughout. I think he just wanted people to listen to the podcast but had to put some weak defense of jew christianity in to keep up appearances.

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it's still perverse... like bantu niggers thinking they absorb the spirit of the people they cannibalize.
An argument could probably be made that the Bantu do in fact assimilate their enemies by eating them.

Christians, on the other hand, try to assimilate them by bending over for them.

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I actually kind of think he knows Alex is right. Most of his response is weak and actually has veiled compliments of Alex throughout. I think he just wanted people to listen to the podcast but had to put some weak defense of jew christianity in to keep up appearances.
I hope you're right. Like I said, I couldn't actually read it. I've seen it too many times. I'd rather donate blood to niggers than wade through that crap again. Less chance of contagion by HIV (Hebrew Insanity Vector)
 
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I suppose if forty year old negroes can be classified as youths, White Nationalism is entitled to a 'Tard Youth Movement, but I'm not sure what we stand to gain from it.
 
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It was a pretty good show and I liked it a lot because I haven't heard that kind of takedown of Church-inanity. I do wish you would have went into the Catholic catechism, which you mentioned, and took out portions and made fun of them.
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Damn I have to listen to a few of these just to catch up.

An issue you may want to consider talking about in future is the theme of partition vs claiming the whole USA for whites. I know Rounder was a promoter of partition and sitting down with the other races (except jews) in order to define the new boundaries of each groups living space. There are other American WN's who also advocate partition as a more realistic goal. If you would talk a little about this and where you stand on the matter it would be good, in order to make clear to the ever growing listeners what the realistic end goal is.

Just to add that I personally am against partition and believe that you shoud claim the whole of the US, but I also understand the arguments made by those who advocate it as demographics are not in favour of whites.
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Funny he mocks how Alex looks when Parrott is the splitting image of the 'tips fedora' autist. http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/747485-tips-fedora

I don't really see him countering much of what Alex said against Christianity in the two hour podcast. ........

I actually kind of think he knows Alex is right. Most of his response is weak and actually has veiled compliments of Alex throughout. I think he just wanted people to listen to the podcast but had to put some weak defense of jew christianity in to keep up appearances.
I hadn't yet listened to the podcast before posting Parrott's reply, so it even more hilarious when I finally got round to it. I agree with the response being weak, very weak in fact, and really didn't refute any of the substantial points made by Alex at all.

Interesting that you suspect he in fact wants people to hear the show, how wonderful if true
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