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Hmm, that's debatable. From a purely functional perspective, anti semitic implies opposition/criticism etc to semites, which wouldn't be the most practical term to use if you are only concerned with opposing Jews.
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I ask this because I often like to force distinctions and specifics in debates, and to a lesser extent in conversations(friendlies deserve a little more communicative flexibility I think), partly because I've found it to be a particularly useful thing to do when people are complaining about and/or accusing you of anti-semitism, but also because I am a fan of specifics, even more so in an age plagued by what I would call verbal subjectivism ('hate speech', 'racism', 'extremism' etc). But of course I do understand that this can be preferred for the sake of consistency and tradition in academia. |
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Well to give you a counter example: if I were to use to say I was opposed to the use of dialectic. You might might say well fine, but what dialectic is that? Socratic, Hegelian, Marxist etc?
The same applies with anti-Semitism in so far as yes it is an older term, but it is the term that historically means what it says on the tin: opposition to the jews based on their biological origins. Quote:
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For example pedophile is the American corruption of paedophile: now anybody who knows some Latin knows that pedophile literally means 'lover of feet' while paedophile means 'lover of children'. However the former is more commonly used globally; I do believe, than the latter. From your perspective then using the term pedophile is wrong, because it functionally refers to a subject or object in; what can be perceived as, a generally incorrect way. If you see my point? Quote:
It can mean any or all of five separate oppositions: biological (anti-Semitism), religion (anti-Judaism), a separate jewish national identity (anti-Zionism [one definition]), to the state of Israel (anti-Zionism [another definition]) or a separate jewish culture (assimilationism). Quote:
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Your argument assumes an absolute and commonly understood definition of what 'jewish' means, but orthodox halakhah says one thing, liberal jewish sects say different, more hard-line jewish sects say something else, Israel uses something different altogether and then you've got the whole 'lost tribes' issue (such as the whole Ethiopian, Chinese, Indian, Dagestan jews thing not to mention the Karaites). Quote:
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It was commonly used as a positive term up till 1945 and then it became a forgotten victim of 'holocaust' of a sort. Quote:
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As that stops them in their tracks because they expect you to go on the defensive and then it gives you a nice opening. It depends with whom you are dealing with though to be fair. Quote:
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Perhaps you could make a point of forcing the distinction in your work, that kind of thing afterall is what what ground breaking is all about, and why be a stickler to tradition for the sake of tradition? especially when the tradition itself can be quite misleading. As I've said before, I find forcing the distinction to be very helpful. Quote:
I understand that language really is just an often imperfect medium for communication and that as time goes on language drift and corruption will occur, with new meanings being associated to words and phrases (over the top, decked, blitzed etc). For that reason, amongst friendlies or in informal environments, I am quite easy going giving people the benefit of the doubt etc. Against opponents however or in formal environments when specifics and technicalities matter, I find myself increasingly leaning towards specifics for the sake of practicality and function but also to fend off the kind of destructive and counter productive nonsense that marxist/post-modernist/anti-reality types often try to inject into conversations. (funny, everythings a social construct until they need emergency surgery - then suddenly the closed minded scientific realists etc aren't such 'fascists' after all) In the case of pedophile vs paedophile I would strongly encourage the correct spelling. This issue interestingly enough touches on the subject of just why the study of Greek and Latin isn't perhaps as 'useless' as some would argue. Especially when so many insist on using Greek and Latin terms. But that's a rant for a different day lol. Quote:
Similar to the argument in favour of anti-semitism, the term Jewish has specific enough associations and common understanding for it to be used quite effectively, but while it is technically more specific than anti semitism, a more specific term could be found for one concerned with criticism/opposition to the Jewish ethnicity. In the case of anti zionism, and the way in which it is often (and deliberately?) conflated/confused with anti-semitism, I feel that this plays right into the hands of the enemy, so stressing the distinction can sometimes be a simple defensive necessity. Why play into the hands of the enemy? Quote:
But a problem can emerge when one actually is opposed to semitic people as a whole...haha. But I do understand that it seems to be used as part of being consistent within the tradition of academic anti-semitism. Quote:
While term Jewish could mean a lot of different things specifically, those specific things would still be Jewish and thus 'pretty' appropriate, whereas Semitic can mean a lot of things that aren't Jewish. Quote:
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I suppose it's like heavily assaulting an army as it tries to muster. If you probe people enough you will at some point or another likely find an area of ignorance or an error, for who is truly omniscient and omnipotent? and sometimes it is just better to smile about it and deal with it, but those with immense levels of arrogance, a problem all too commonly found amongst opponents of racialism and ethnic nationalism etc, such a tactic can work wonders. It may seem like a nasty tactic, and perhaps it is, but it isn't like the enemy are above using nasty tactics themselves. But in the case of stressing a distinction between semitic, jewish, hebrew, zionism, (or whatever it is you are talking about), it does have a practical significance as well making this tactic distinct from semantics for the sake of semantics. Quote:
Here is a question, though it is kinda off topic: How much of the Marxist - post modernist and Jewish problems be viewed as symptomatic of psychosis and/or schizophrenia? or various personality/mental disorders in general? I have suspected for some time now that the Jews have a hereditary psychosis/schizophrenia problem, which could explain their famed ability to lie with extreme conviction, twist words and contradict themselves. In this case, forcing these people (jew or otherwise) to be very specific and objective in arguments, can be viewed as a deliberate assault on their very nature, capitalising on a common psychological impairment of these people. Quote:
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