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The Woman Question in White Nationalism

by Greg Johnson

The perennial question is back: Why are there so few women in the White Nationalist movement?

Before venturing an analysis of this question, I need to say a few words about what White Nationalism is. White Nationalism is about preserving the biological integrity of the white race by making our race’s survival and flourishing the number one political priority. White Nationalists represent the genetic interests of all whites, men and women, adults and children.

But preserving our race’s biological integrity requires more than defeating multiculturalism and multiracialism. It also requires the defeat of feminism and emasculation (male infantilization) and the restoration of sexual roles that are not just traditional but also biological: men as protectors and providers, women as nurturers.

These sex roles are norms, meaning ideals. Realistically, not every man or woman will be able to function according to these norms. (That’s what makes them ideals!) But a White Nationalist society needs to maintain these ideals as norms nevertheless, for even in a racially homogeneous society like Japan, feminism and male infantilization are causes of personal and social misery and below-replacement birthrates, particularly among the educated and intelligent who should be reproducing more rather than less.

Many men who genuinely wish to become husbands and fathers shy away from marriage because every man knows another man who has been emotionally and financially savaged by the punitive feminist biases now codified in laws governing marriage, divorce, and child custody. White Nationalists will change that.

Many women who genuinely wish to become wives and mothers nevertheless feel forced to pursue a career first because of a lack of men who wish to assume the protector and provider role. They want a Prince Charming, but all they see are Peter Pans. White Nationalists will change that as well.

The restoration of traditional and biological sexual norms will affect men as well as women. Indeed, it will be harder for men than for women. In a White Nationalist society, men will no longer be allowed to prolong their adolescence into their thirties and forties. They will be expected, encouraged, and enabled to take on adult responsibilities as soon as they are able. They will become husbands and fathers, providers and protectors for their families. White Nationalism will demand that men “man up” so women do not have to.

White Nationalism promises women a society in which they are free from the fear of the black and brown predators who commit the overwhelming majority of rapes. Nobody will stop women who wish to remain single and childless to pursue their careers. But the overwhelming majority of women who wish to marry and raise families will be able to find husbands who can support them and their children in stable, monogamous marriages. No matter what their income, they will be able to live in safe, homogeneously white neighborhoods. No matter what their income, they will be able to send their children to safe, homogeneously white schools. In a White Nationalist society, no mother will need to fear that her children’s livelihoods will be lost because of affirmative action, non-white immigration, or shipping jobs overseas. In a White Nationalist society, no mother need fear that her children will die on battlefields to serve the interests of other races. In short, White Nationalism has a great deal to offer to women.

So again, why are there so few women in the White Nationalist movement?

My answer is simple: Most women see politics as a largely masculine enterprise. They are correct in this. Thus women are waiting for men to build a White Nationalist movement that credibly advances the interests of our race. When we accomplish that, the women will come, and they have an important role to play as natural networkers, nurturers, and multi-taskers.

So White Nationalist men need to focus first and foremost on advancing our cause: building community and raising consciousness, honing our message and developing new ways of communicating it, organizing to pursue aims in the social and political realms. If we take care of those things, the woman question will take care of itself.

As for the few women who are already in our cause: that is to their credit. They are in the vanguard of their sex as well as the vanguard of our race.

The last thing the movement should do is soften our message or compromise the pursuit of our ultimate aims simply in order to court women.

First of all, we have to ask: Is the lack of women in the movement even a problem? Yes, of course, we need all the people and resources we can get. But is the existence of overwhelmingly or exclusively male groups by its very nature a problem? Yes, by all means, let’s bring women into the movement. But does that mean that all groups need to be open to women or have “gender parity”? Is our struggle against racial diversity strengthened by sexual diversity? Are we feminists, then? Are we nuts?

Michael Walker’s otherwise excellent speech at the 2008 American Renaissance conference was marred by his claim that he would like to see every other seat filled with a woman. That would, of course, be excellent advice if we were a ballroom dancing society. But it was not so long ago that politics was an exclusively male thing. Armies and police and fire departments were also exclusively male. Were these organizations less able to look out for the interests of women when they were exclusively male?

The truth is that sexual diversity in an organizational context, like racial diversity in all contexts, is often a source of division, conflict, and weakness – particularly if the organization is involved in something quintessentially male like fighting and self-sacrifice for the common good. Thus all-male police and fire departments were probably more effective at protecting the interests of women than today’s integrated forces.

We have to ask ourselves if this might not also be true of some White Nationalist organizations. And might some White Nationalist groups be more effective if they were all female? See Amanda Bradley’s excellent review of Women of the Far Right, which deals largely with women-only organizations. We need a lot more of such groups.

If sexual diversity is a source of weakness for all other political movements, shouldn’t White Nationalists – who can’t afford to pass up any tiny advantage – be eager to experiment with sexually homogeneous organizations? If our enemies are slowing themselves down by tying themselves to women in three-legged races, why should we be eager to adopt their handicaps instead of sprinting unencumbered for the finish line?

I am all for pluralism. White Nationalists need to recruit the full diversity of whites in order to reach the full diversity of whites. We need to have people from all different groups and walks of life adapting and delivering our message. We need a whole range of different organizations and strategies. Some of those organizations might be exclusively male. Others might be exclusively female. Still others will be mixed. But there is no apriori reason to think that something is wrong if a White Nationalist group or the movement as a whole does not have a 50/50 male/female ratio.

The main reason why men want more women at White Nationalist meetings is they wish to find ideologically compatible mates. But as our community grows we will be able to separate political gatherings from purely social ones, and some of those political organizations might function better by being sexually segregated. (Every normal society tends organically toward having at least some sexually segregated organizations.)

The White Nationalist community is often characterized as “misogynist.” Many White Nationalists are so afraid of that label that they will actually censor, shun, and betray other White Nationalists who are accused of misogyny. Just how cowardly and contemptible this is should be obvious.

“Hate” is the stock accusation of the enemy. Even if you offer up the most sober, scientific accounts of racial differences, you will be labeled a race hater. Oppose multiculturalism and you are a race hater. Offer up the same sort of accounts of sexual differences and you will be called a woman hater. Oppose feminism and emasculation and you are a woman hater.

The enemy controls the media and status system in this society. Of course they are going to use harsh words to stigmatize us. And that is just for starters. But if someone is able to stand up to the first accusation, he should be able to stand up to the second. The inability to do so strikes me as the sign of scandalous intellectual confusion and moral weakness.

That said, just as there are White Nationalists who are race haters by any reasonable definition of the term, there are genuine woman haters. They are not found everywhere, but they have their bastions. They are not the majority, but they are a sizable and vocal enough minority that the movement as a whole has been characterized as misogynist. (There are also passionate man-haters, but like women in general, they are few in number.)

But why the intense mutual hatred between the sexes? Such hatred is not natural and healthy. It is the product of a sick social order.

White Nationalists hold that racial hatred is an inevitable result of breaking down racial boundaries and introducing racial competition within the same realms. Diversity and integration are not cures for racial hatred, they are causes of it.

Hatred between the sexes is also a product of the breakdown of natural and traditional sexual roles and competition within the same realms. Feminism has brought women into formerly male bastions, creating enormous resentment from men. Feminism and its corollary, male infantilization, have caused untold conflict and suffering for both sexes. Feminism in the legal system has made life hell for countless divorced husbands and fathers. Feminism is not a cure for misogyny, it is a cause of it.

So what do we do about misogynists in our ranks? I vote we do nothing. In the appropriate venues, we need to let their voices be heard, in spite of frequent crudity and excesses. Also, remember: much of what is stigmatized as misogyny is simply salutary “sex realism” and the absolutely necessary project of restoring traditional/biological sex roles.

White men are the victims of a pincer movement. We are victimized as whites and as men. How can our movement claim any moral credibility and leadership if we demand that our racial brothers who are often in extreme pain be censored, whether the motives be feminism or misplaced conservative chivalry?

I understand that this sort of atmosphere makes female vanguardists uncomfortable, but I will simply ask you, as a personal sacrifice to the greater good, to be tolerant and understanding. Honest communication even about unpleasant things is one of the things that sets our movement apart. And cultivating this kind of openness is absolutely necessary if we are to establish an intellectually sound vision of society and a strategically and tactically sound path of achieving it.

One false explanation for why there are so few women in the movement is the presence of weird men: curmudgeons, cranks, nerds, people who have been locked in mental institutions, and so forth. This would, of course, explain the relative absence of normal women. But there are plenty of weird women out there. And the reason they are not White Nationalists is that they are waiting for their weird male counterparts to make some progress before they will hop on board. In that, at least, they are perfectly normal.

Savitri Devi once said that she could never love a man who loved her more than he loved his ideals. What makes a man worthy of respect is his ability to look above himself and his personal interests to serve the common good. This is what Evola called Uranian masculinity. The best women respect that. They are right to despise a man who compromises his principles in order to court their favor.

The same principle applies to our movement. Women will become White Nationalism’s most fanatical and devoted supporters once we demonstrate that we are truly able to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. If we neglect that end, soften our message, and split our camp with needless witch-hunts and finger-pointing, all in the name of catering to the ignorant and foolish, the best women will hold us in well-deserved contempt as we listen to the sirens singing our race to its doom.

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Old May 25th, 2011 #2
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The Woman Question in White Nationalism

by Greg Johnson

The perennial question is back: Why are there so few women in the White Nationalist movement?

Before venturing an analysis of this question, I need to say a few words about what White Nationalism is. White Nationalism is about preserving the biological integrity of the white race by making our race’s survival and flourishing the number one political priority. White Nationalists represent the genetic interests of all whites, men and women, adults and children.

But preserving our race’s biological integrity requires more than defeating multiculturalism and multiracialism. It also requires the defeat of feminism and emasculation (male infantilization) and the restoration of sexual roles that are not just traditional but also biological: men as protectors and providers, women as nurturers.

These sex roles are norms, meaning ideals. Realistically, not every man or woman will be able to function according to these norms. (That’s what makes them ideals!) But a White Nationalist society needs to maintain these ideals as norms nevertheless, for even in a racially homogeneous society like Japan, feminism and male infantilization are causes of personal and social misery and below-replacement birthrates, particularly among the educated and intelligent who should be reproducing more rather than less.

Many men who genuinely wish to become husbands and fathers shy away from marriage because every man knows another man who has been emotionally and financially savaged by the punitive feminist biases now codified in laws governing marriage, divorce, and child custody. White Nationalists will change that.

Many women who genuinely wish to become wives and mothers nevertheless feel forced to pursue a career first because of a lack of men who wish to assume the protector and provider role. They want a Prince Charming, but all they see are Peter Pans. White Nationalists will change that as well.

The restoration of traditional and biological sexual norms will affect men as well as women. Indeed, it will be harder for men than for women. In a White Nationalist society, men will no longer be allowed to prolong their adolescence into their thirties and forties. They will be expected, encouraged, and enabled to take on adult responsibilities as soon as they are able. They will become husbands and fathers, providers and protectors for their families. White Nationalism will demand that men “man up” so women do not have to.

White Nationalism promises women a society in which they are free from the fear of the black and brown predators who commit the overwhelming majority of rapes. Nobody will stop women who wish to remain single and childless to pursue their careers. But the overwhelming majority of women who wish to marry and raise families will be able to find husbands who can support them and their children in stable, monogamous marriages. No matter what their income, they will be able to live in safe, homogeneously white neighborhoods. No matter what their income, they will be able to send their children to safe, homogeneously white schools. In a White Nationalist society, no mother will need to fear that her children’s livelihoods will be lost because of affirmative action, non-white immigration, or shipping jobs overseas. In a White Nationalist society, no mother need fear that her children will die on battlefields to serve the interests of other races. In short, White Nationalism has a great deal to offer to women.

So again, why are there so few women in the White Nationalist movement?

My answer is simple: Most women see politics as a largely masculine enterprise. They are correct in this. Thus women are waiting for men to build a White Nationalist movement that credibly advances the interests of our race. When we accomplish that, the women will come, and they have an important role to play as natural networkers, nurturers, and multi-taskers.

So White Nationalist men need to focus first and foremost on advancing our cause: building community and raising consciousness, honing our message and developing new ways of communicating it, organizing to pursue aims in the social and political realms. If we take care of those things, the woman question will take care of itself.

As for the few women who are already in our cause: that is to their credit. They are in the vanguard of their sex as well as the vanguard of our race.

The last thing the movement should do is soften our message or compromise the pursuit of our ultimate aims simply in order to court women.

First of all, we have to ask: Is the lack of women in the movement even a problem? Yes, of course, we need all the people and resources we can get. But is the existence of overwhelmingly or exclusively male groups by its very nature a problem? Yes, by all means, let’s bring women into the movement. But does that mean that all groups need to be open to women or have “gender parity”? Is our struggle against racial diversity strengthened by sexual diversity? Are we feminists, then? Are we nuts?

Michael Walker’s otherwise excellent speech at the 2008 American Renaissance conference was marred by his claim that he would like to see every other seat filled with a woman. That would, of course, be excellent advice if we were a ballroom dancing society. But it was not so long ago that politics was an exclusively male thing. Armies and police and fire departments were also exclusively male. Were these organizations less able to look out for the interests of women when they were exclusively male?

The truth is that sexual diversity in an organizational context, like racial diversity in all contexts, is often a source of division, conflict, and weakness – particularly if the organization is involved in something quintessentially male like fighting and self-sacrifice for the common good. Thus all-male police and fire departments were probably more effective at protecting the interests of women than today’s integrated forces.

We have to ask ourselves if this might not also be true of some White Nationalist organizations. And might some White Nationalist groups be more effective if they were all female? See Amanda Bradley’s excellent review of Women of the Far Right, which deals largely with women-only organizations. We need a lot more of such groups.

If sexual diversity is a source of weakness for all other political movements, shouldn’t White Nationalists – who can’t afford to pass up any tiny advantage – be eager to experiment with sexually homogeneous organizations? If our enemies are slowing themselves down by tying themselves to women in three-legged races, why should we be eager to adopt their handicaps instead of sprinting unencumbered for the finish line?

I am all for pluralism. White Nationalists need to recruit the full diversity of whites in order to reach the full diversity of whites. We need to have people from all different groups and walks of life adapting and delivering our message. We need a whole range of different organizations and strategies. Some of those organizations might be exclusively male. Others might be exclusively female. Still others will be mixed. But there is no apriori reason to think that something is wrong if a White Nationalist group or the movement as a whole does not have a 50/50 male/female ratio.

The main reason why men want more women at White Nationalist meetings is they wish to find ideologically compatible mates. But as our community grows we will be able to separate political gatherings from purely social ones, and some of those political organizations might function better by being sexually segregated. (Every normal society tends organically toward having at least some sexually segregated organizations.)

The White Nationalist community is often characterized as “misogynist.” Many White Nationalists are so afraid of that label that they will actually censor, shun, and betray other White Nationalists who are accused of misogyny. Just how cowardly and contemptible this is should be obvious.

“Hate” is the stock accusation of the enemy. Even if you offer up the most sober, scientific accounts of racial differences, you will be labeled a race hater. Oppose multiculturalism and you are a race hater. Offer up the same sort of accounts of sexual differences and you will be called a woman hater. Oppose feminism and emasculation and you are a woman hater.

The enemy controls the media and status system in this society. Of course they are going to use harsh words to stigmatize us. And that is just for starters. But if someone is able to stand up to the first accusation, he should be able to stand up to the second. The inability to do so strikes me as the sign of scandalous intellectual confusion and moral weakness.

That said, just as there are White Nationalists who are race haters by any reasonable definition of the term, there are genuine woman haters. They are not found everywhere, but they have their bastions. They are not the majority, but they are a sizable and vocal enough minority that the movement as a whole has been characterized as misogynist. (There are also passionate man-haters, but like women in general, they are few in number.)

But why the intense mutual hatred between the sexes? Such hatred is not natural and healthy. It is the product of a sick social order.

White Nationalists hold that racial hatred is an inevitable result of breaking down racial boundaries and introducing racial competition within the same realms. Diversity and integration are not cures for racial hatred, they are causes of it.

Hatred between the sexes is also a product of the breakdown of natural and traditional sexual roles and competition within the same realms. Feminism has brought women into formerly male bastions, creating enormous resentment from men. Feminism and its corollary, male infantilization, have caused untold conflict and suffering for both sexes. Feminism in the legal system has made life hell for countless divorced husbands and fathers. Feminism is not a cure for misogyny, it is a cause of it.

So what do we do about misogynists in our ranks? I vote we do nothing. In the appropriate venues, we need to let their voices be heard, in spite of frequent crudity and excesses. Also, remember: much of what is stigmatized as misogyny is simply salutary “sex realism” and the absolutely necessary project of restoring traditional/biological sex roles.

White men are the victims of a pincer movement. We are victimized as whites and as men. How can our movement claim any moral credibility and leadership if we demand that our racial brothers who are often in extreme pain be censored, whether the motives be feminism or misplaced conservative chivalry?

I understand that this sort of atmosphere makes female vanguardists uncomfortable, but I will simply ask you, as a personal sacrifice to the greater good, to be tolerant and understanding. Honest communication even about unpleasant things is one of the things that sets our movement apart. And cultivating this kind of openness is absolutely necessary if we are to establish an intellectually sound vision of society and a strategically and tactically sound path of achieving it.

One false explanation for why there are so few women in the movement is the presence of weird men: curmudgeons, cranks, nerds, people who have been locked in mental institutions, and so forth. This would, of course, explain the relative absence of normal women. But there are plenty of weird women out there. And the reason they are not White Nationalists is that they are waiting for their weird male counterparts to make some progress before they will hop on board. In that, at least, they are perfectly normal.

Savitri Devi once said that she could never love a man who loved her more than he loved his ideals. What makes a man worthy of respect is his ability to look above himself and his personal interests to serve the common good. This is what Evola called Uranian masculinity. The best women respect that. They are right to despise a man who compromises his principles in order to court their favor.

The same principle applies to our movement. Women will become White Nationalism’s most fanatical and devoted supporters once we demonstrate that we are truly able to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. If we neglect that end, soften our message, and split our camp with needless witch-hunts and finger-pointing, all in the name of catering to the ignorant and foolish, the best women will hold us in well-deserved contempt as we listen to the sirens singing our race to its doom.

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I'm very surprised and pleased with this. He gives us a very balanced and critical opinion on what the real issues are.
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I'm very surprised and pleased with this. He gives us a very balanced and critical opinion on what the real issues are.
I think it's an excellent piece, like most of his.

Where was that other thread on the Jaenelle chick piece? I mean to merge threads somewhere at some point. Also, I copied this into the general forum, since people might miss it. Since this topic is evergreen, I will keep it stickied here for reference.
 
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Racial politics, any politics, falls under the protection men are supposed to provide. It is a masculine concern, not a feminine one. That's why any sort of reaching out to women, or asking why they're not involved, or expressing hope they'll fill one of every two chairs at a pseudo-WN conference, is sick liberalism, though the reacher, asker, hoper be unaware of it himself.
 
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I'll have to reluctantly agree with that...
Also, did you happen to read some of the comments?
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I'll have to reluctantly agree with that...
Also, did you happen to read some of the comments?
Of course? What about 'em?

I have no problem at all with women being involved in WN, as long as they participate on the same terms as men. My position has always been, if you're in politics, you're a man, regardless of your sex. If you reach out to women, you'll get the half-hearted ones, the ones who demand privileges. If you don't, you'll only get the self-selected ones, who by their own initiative show they probably have something to offer.
 
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I can accept women as political leaders, but only if they are of the same caliber as Boudicea, Joan of Arc or Savitri Devi, i.e. the kind of women that are born one in a billion.
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Of course? What about 'em?

I have no problem at all with women being involved in WN, as long as they participate on the same terms as men. My position has always been, if you're in politics, you're a man, regardless of your sex. If you reach out to women, you'll get the half-hearted ones, the ones who demand privileges. If you don't, you'll only get the self-selected ones, who by their own initiative show they probably have something to offer.
Someone quoted Goebbels...it seems as though history is repeating itself.

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I think there are quite a few women in this movement who could offer a lot. In fact they do, promoting our causes. However, running for a public office is another matter.
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Reading a male explanation of this question is like reading a female's dissertation on a jock strap.

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White Nationalism requires the restoration of sexual roles that are not just traditional but also biological: men as protectors and providers, women as nurturers.
Traditional when, where and among whom? Historically, the role of females varied considerably among different white cultures. The ancient German women often followed their men into battle, screaming encouragement to them. This shocked the more patriarchal Romans.

In 1815, when Napoleon was defeated at Waterloo with help from the 30,000 Prussians assisting Wellington, the Prussians raged into the battle screaming, "for Queen Luise!!" in honor of the beloved late Queen Luise of Prussia who had once ridden along with Prussian army as they headed into the Battle of Auerstedt.

Strong, confident males in intelligent white societies traditionally held females on a (qualified) equal par long before joo-style "feminism" was even a twinkle in Betty Friedan's dildo.

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The restoration of traditional and biological sexual norms will affect men as well as women. Indeed, it will be harder for men than for women.
That depends what you have in mind for the woman's role. The horse is already out of the barn for women. As has been pointed out elsewhere, white women need to be educated, first, in order to educate their young to the highest standard possible, and second, to have as much or more clout as the educated (and often non-white) women who will be in positions of power over them in today's societies.

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White Nationalism promises women a society in which they are free from the fear of the black and brown predators who commit the overwhelming majority of rapes.
Women cannot afford to leave their protection solely up to men. Predators move in when men are absent, whether they be physical predators or intellectual predators. We have only to look at the actions of the victors over the vanquished after war throughout history to learn that women often pay the price. Men die in battle. Women are left unattended and vulnerable.

We have only to look at the women and girls of East Prussia who were mercilessly raped, tortured or murdered by the Red Army hoards who poured into the land like a hurricane of blood at the end of World War Two. Another example would be the intrinsically evil "re-education" of German women by the Allies which was so harsh that women were often forced to bury the dead inmates of prison camps unprotected. Many died from disease in this manner. Or we can go back farther to Greece during the Souliote War (1803), when a small group of women and their children from the island of Souli were trapped by Ottoman troops in the mountains of Zalongo in Epirus. Rather than face certain rape and death at the hands of the Ottomans, the women threw first their children and then themselves off a steep cliff, committing suicide.

Women need to protect themselves and need to know how to protect their children independently of men.

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No matter what their income, they will be able to send their children to safe, homogeneously white schools.
They need to educate their children at home and also network with other white women (and men) so as to form private schools and internet schools because public schools do not work, safe or not. The entire public educational system is broken beyond reclamation, and whether or not a school is white is irrelevant. The mass curriculums are not geared for whites.

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In a White Nationalist society, no mother will need to fear that her children’s livelihoods will be lost because of affirmative action, non-white immigration, or shipping jobs overseas. In a White Nationalist society, no mother need fear that her children will die on battlefields to serve the interests of other races. In short, White Nationalism has a great deal to offer to women.
Ideally, yes, but realistically, this is the present real world, and we all know this country is screwed. White Nationalism is a philosophical movement, not a political party, and as such has no influence over these factors. If it gets its act together it might have influence, but it has zip now.
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Most women see politics as a largely masculine enterprise.
The seventeen female US Senators and seventy two female members in the US House of Representatives don't, however, and they make the rules other less "masculinely inclined" women have to live under. That's a problem.

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Thus women are waiting for men to build a White Nationalist movement that credibly advances the interests of our race. When we accomplish that, the women will come, and they have an important role to play as natural networkers, nurturers, and multi-taskers.
Damn, you are generous! Thanks! You do all the brain work and make the movement a raging success, then we can come along and "nurture". Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

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As for the few women who are already in our cause: that is to their credit. They are in the vanguard of their sex as well as the vanguard of our race.
Yep. And in return we get to listen to a bunch of potty mouth punks tell us we smell like fish or we're accused of wanting special kid glove treatment.

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First of all, we have to ask: Is the lack of women in the movement even a problem?
Duh... you think?

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...Let’s bring women into the movement. But does that mean that all groups need to be open to women or have “gender parity”?
Please clarify. What groups are we speaking of? Is it a weight lifting contest?

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Armies and police and fire departments were also exclusively male. Were these organizations less able to look out for the interests of women when they were exclusively male?
Were they any better when they WERE exclusively male? See, it isn't an issue. The only people who make it an issue are instigators. Whether or not a woman is a cop makes absolutely no difference to us unless they give us a speeding ticket.

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If our enemies are slowing themselves down by tying themselves to women in three-legged races, why should we be eager to adopt their handicaps?
Slowing them down? Handicaps? No, they're surging ahead of us in leaps and bounds.

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The main reason why men want more women at White Nationalist meetings is they wish to find ideologically compatible mates.
Probably not. They probably just want to get laid. But it would be as inappropriate for a female to form that conclusion as it is for a male to tell us why women are scarce in the WN "movement"..

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The White Nationalist community is often characterized as “misogynist.” Offer up the same sort of accounts of sexual differences and you will be called a woman hater. Oppose feminism and emasculation and you are a woman hater.... But why the intense mutual hatred between the sexes? Such hatred is not natural and healthy. It is the product of a sick social order.
This sounds like someone saying, "Some say we hate cats. We're often accused of hating cats. If we talk about the superiority of dogs over cats we are called cat haters. Why do cats hate us? It is not healthy that cats hate us."

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Feminism has brought women into formerly male bastions, creating enormous resentment from men.
Females have throughout history been brought into formerly male bastions for any number of reasons, one being the loss of males in war, others being natural disaster, epidemics and occupations which took men away from home for extended periods. Females were respected, even hailed as heroines under those circumstances.

Good, strong confident men are not fearful or resentful of women "intruding" into male bastions if they do well at their tasks. Insecure little weenies are resentful and use it as an excuse for their own ineptitude.

Furthermore, men have been brought into formerly female bastions. Lots of men stay home with their kids today for economic reasons they have no control over. Nobody bitches about them. There are lots of male nurses in our hospitals. There are tons of males at front desks of businesses in place of long legged beauties all over the world today. Nobody bitches about them. There are males who clean our teeth. Used to be mostly females.

Again, it is not an issue unless it is used to foster intentional discord among the genders. Such discord is helpful to the enemy.
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So what do we do about misogynists in our ranks? I vote we do nothing.
Then why the hell write about this topic if it isn't enough of a concern to change things? If it doesn't concern you that a "misogynist" forum will appeal more to fags than to females, then you're on the right track.

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In the appropriate venues, we need to let their voices be heard, in spite of frequent crudity and excesses. Also, remember: much of what is stigmatized as misogyny is simply salutary “sex realism” and the absolutely necessary project of restoring traditional/biological sex roles.
Then again, why the hell write about this topic if it isn't enough of a concern to change things?. Besides that, why would intelligent MEN want to hang out around "frequent crudity and excesses"? Certainly, confident, successful, intelligent men with any semblance of class wouldn't respect it any more than your average female.

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White men are victimized as whites and as men.
Aw, poor baby. That's joo-psycho-babble for "I'm a victim, too". It's defeatist and demoralizing to think that way. Victims don't succeed.

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How can our movement claim any moral credibility and leadership if we demand that our racial brothers who are often in extreme pain be censored, whether the motives be feminism or misplaced conservative chivalry?
How can any movement claim any moral credibility if it can't even police itself? It is chivalrous and charitable to require civility and desire intelligent discourse? Is it censorship to teach people how to express a viewpoint without being crude and sounding stupid? (And "extreme pain"? Arg!!! Talk to Dr. Phil)

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I understand that this sort of atmosphere makes female vanguardists uncomfortable, but I will simply ask you, as a personal sacrifice to the greater good, to be tolerant and understanding.
This is about the most full of shit statement so far, but it's nice that once again you have the capacity to know what females are feeling and the reason there aren't more women in the "movement". You answered your own questions. Just stay on the same track and be glad you don't have a lot of dumb women screwing up the works for you.
 
Old May 26th, 2011 #11
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White Nationalism promises women a society in which they are free from the fear of the black and brown predators who commit the overwhelming majority of rapes. Nobody will stop women who wish to remain single and childless to pursue their careers. But the overwhelming majority of women who wish to marry and raise families will be able to find husbands who can support them and their children in stable, monogamous marriages. No matter what their income, they will be able to live in safe, homogeneously white neighborhoods. No matter what their income, they will be able to send their children to safe, homogeneously white schools. In a White Nationalist society, no mother will need to fear that her children’s livelihoods will be lost because of affirmative action, non-white immigration, or shipping jobs overseas. In a White Nationalist society, no mother need fear that her children will die on battlefields to serve the interests of other races. In short, White Nationalism has a great deal to offer to women.
This is why I view something like outlawing abortion a band-aid solution on a much larger problem (low white birthrate). If we had a white state, white babies would be popping out like there's no tomorrow.
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Not to mention that abortion=murder.

As an aside...is that Hannity? lol
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There are a lot of things that make it harder for an Women to be National-Socialist or even a WN. Woman are more affected by propaganda - did you know that man have a 25% bigger brain than a women? - Now, with the feminism, the women usually focous a lot more on work than family and that is a shame! The children now were getting more depressed, weaker at school and the families are desintegrating!

Why all that? The liberalism, people are making sex every time earlier! Media makes people think that sex is the most important thing on the face of the Earth! The time spended with your family, the pleasure of raising the child and other things that once pleased women are now a thing of the past? This is the fault of that degenerating media! people are getting brainwashed since the school and the relationship with they parents are getting worse and worse!

How can we stop this? Couples, do not break up that easily, father, mother, talk more to your children, EDUCATE then, RAISE then, this is a thing much more important and enjoyable than a few hundred dollars more
 
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There is a lot of work to be done for both White men and women in this country. I listen everyday to talk radio and hear nothing but pussies calling up the talk radio morons asking for their opinions on this or that, asking for guidance in every goddamn aspect of their lives. These white men are completely lost.

I came in on the end of the Dave Ramsey Show the other night on WSB Radio and he was really giving his listeners up one side and down the other for being such pussies (my word). He was really angry, telling his listeners (all White from what I've heard) they needed to think for themselves instead of constantly looking to others, including himself, for guidance in their lives. They need to do research and figure out for themselves what to do if they are in some kind of trouble. He's a Christard, and tells his listeners to get right with Jesus, but he was really pissed off.

White men are just as lost as White women, when you look around you. I don't personally know any White Nationalists. All I hear is White men spouting what they heard that day on talk radio.

Really, White men and White women are lost causes right now.

I would like to see some kind of local/regional/national campaign geared to really waking up White men, especially the young ones, about being White and what that means. I really believe that White men need their confidence back as much as White women need their dignity back.
 
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"And the reason they are not White Nationalists is that they are waiting for their weird male counterparts to make some progress before they will hop on board. In that, at least, they are perfectly normal."

The key word in this statement is: "Progress." As a Nurse and a white racial woman I hear this every day at work. From many white men and women especially in health care. I am not saying go soft. Not at all. The movement needs to bring itself up to par with progress. For example: It's not that I think most white men are weird as much as I think there is a huge lack of white men left with any "Class." What I mean by that is simply what Dr. Pierce called "Hobbyism." I'm not looking for a man that looks and acts like, and has the behavior of someone that lives in the "woods" so to speak. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that but it seems to be all I run into when I meet white nationalists men. I guess I'm talking about lifestyle. You need something that will attract people like a Doctor for example and I do not see that. There are plenty of white men and women that are racial in the health care industry but how do you suppose they are going to join a group that offers nothing to attract them to that cause? Not trying to start anything here....I'm just saying it's 2011 not 1955 if you know what I mean.

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Actually, I'm not sure what I'm trying to say. hahahaha but, I think you understand what I'm trying to say here.
 
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Actually, I'm not sure what I'm trying to say. hahahaha but, I think you understand what I'm trying to say here.
Not at all, but you're a woman so who the fuck cares what you say?


Womenfolk, in general, want a guy who's not some loser spergy douchebag all bitter about life. Create fun, kick ass, take names. The womens... they likes it!

Women are "along for the ride", nothing more. That's what I tell my gf .

Right now WN are still in the "b-b-but that's not fair" stage, where they whine and think that pointing out the lack of equality in racial relations is the way to go about winning the political fight. Linder states correctly that we shouldn't really be concerned about what's fair, just doing the "big dog growl". It's a fight against the kikes and their tenuous control over american opinion, not a fucking debate society. Once WN start getting that and winning, the women will show up in spades.
 
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The short answer to why there are so few women in the White Nationalist movement?

Because white nationalists, at least for the moment, are a bunch of losers.
 
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The short answer to why there are so few women in the White Nationalist movement?

Because white nationalists, at least for the moment, are a bunch of losers.
Not every WN is a loser. Perhaps you've just had the misfortune of seeing some of the drunken assholes that scream "nigger" and "white power" to each other. If you tough it out and stay in this for the long haul, you will meet men that are men among men. Glenn Miller, Will Williams and Ron Doggett are examples of these. They have walked the walk and talked the talk. All three of them have sacrificed on a personal as well as a financial level.

Don't paint all WNs with the same brush.
 
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As for the few women who are already in our cause: that is to their credit. They are in the vanguard of their sex as well as the vanguard of our race.
Thanks!

Anyhow, if white men lead, white women will follow, hence the concerted agenda geared toward destroying the white male power structure and confusing white males into gender submission. If white males weren't the number one threat to jewish plans for the world of the future, there would never be the effort made to crush every facet of the white male as we're seeing today.
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