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Old April 8th, 2013 #81
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Libertarians don't believe in private property, i.e. private ownership of the means of production. A forum can be private, although it's more a matter of being disingenuous and claiming to allow the free expression of opposing viewpoints when for all intents and purposes this is not true.
Of course libertarians believe in private property. It is not a communistic (as in commune, not communist) philosophy.

SF doesn't claim to allow ALL opposing viewpoints. Nor does it claim to allow all freedom of expression.

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Wouldn't it? Couldn't he be debated with, or would he simply be expelled?
Generally if all someone is there to do is argue, it interferes with everyone that is there to discuss.

It has nothing to do with CAN he be debated... it all has to do with a private entity does not legally have to allow the debate in the first place.

Having a meeting of a group of people that exist just to plant trees is very nice... when a person shows up that wants to argue and annoy because he wants to cut all the trees down.. not so much.

Just because YOU want to argue, that doesn't mean we all want to argue with you.

Honestly, Valdez... I couldn't care less what your beliefs are... arguing with you would be a waste of time.. because I simply wouldn't care.

That's why I rarely post in OV anymore. I'm at the point now that if a retard wants to believe something stupid... let them.
 
Old April 8th, 2013 #82
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Of course libertarians believe in private property. It is not a communistic (as in commune, not communist) philosophy.
Yes, it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%C3%A9jacque

"Joseph Déjacque (December 27, 1821, Paris – 1864, Paris) was a French early anarcho-communist poet and writer. Déjacque was the first recorded person to employ the term libertarian (French: libertaire) for himself."

This is the original and authentic form of libertarianism, libertarian socialism:
Libertarian_socialism Libertarian_socialism

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SF doesn't claim to allow ALL opposing viewpoints. Nor does it claim to allow freedom of expression.
So which opposing viewpoints are disallowed? Those that cut too close to the bone, that white supremacists cannot refute?

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Generally if all someone is there to do is argue, it interferes with everyone that is there to discuss.
Then why is the tagline of the OV forum, "For all our opponents who want to argue with White Nationalists"?
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Old April 8th, 2013 #83
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Yes, it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%C3%A9jacque

"Joseph Déjacque (December 27, 1821, Paris – 1864, Paris) was a French early anarcho-communist poet and writer. Déjacque was the first recorded person to employ the term libertarian (French: libertaire) for himself."

This is the original and authentic form of libertarianism, libertarian socialism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
Again, you are making me /facepalm.

Valdez... not all libertarians believe the exact same thing. It is NOT a single ideology.

And that guy called himself a libertarian, but he was anarcho-communist. He is a libertarian socialist.... just as your link states. (sometimes called
Social_anarchism Social_anarchism
[1][2] or left-libertarianism) Didn't you even pay attention to your own link?

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Political philosophies commonly described as libertarian socialist include most varieties of anarchism (especially anarchist communism, anarchist collectivism, anarcho-syndicalism,[20] and mutualism[21]) as well as autonomism, Communalism, participism, libertarian Marxist philosophies such as council communism and Luxemburgism,[22] and some versions of "utopian socialism"[23] and individualist anarchism.[24][25][26]
I, and many others, are libertarian nationalists... as well as other kinds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-libertarianism
Libertarian_conservatism Libertarian_conservatism

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So which opposing viewpoints are disallowed?
Any. They could decide they don't like your username.

It is not a free speech zone.

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Then why is the tagline of the OV forum, "For all our opponents who want to argue with White Nationalists"?
Really? You take ALL OUR that literally? I thought you were smarter than that.

That tagline does not make it mandatory that they allow you to post. It is not a promise.
 
Old April 9th, 2013 #85
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Libertarian socialists don't believe that any so-called form of libertarianism that supports capitalism is authentic. Similarly, most rightist pseudo-libertarians claim that libertarian socialism is inauthentic.
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Old April 9th, 2013 #86
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Really? You take ALL OUR that literally? I thought you were smarter than that.
LOL! It says "all our opponents who want to argue with white nationalists," not just "all our opponents."

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That tagline does not make it mandatory that they allow you to post. It is not a promise.
This is a strawman fallacy; that's not what I said. You claimed, "if all someone is there to do is argue, it interferes with everyone that is there to discuss." Since the foundation of the OV forum is opponents arguing with white supremacists, this doesn't seem true.
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Old April 9th, 2013 #87
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Libertarian socialists don't believe that any so-called form of libertarianism that supports capitalism is authentic. Similarly, most rightist pseudo-libertarians claim that libertarian socialism is inauthentic.
You are an idiot. /facepalm

I even listed all of the kinds of libertarianism.. and you are still being a retard.

Yet you wonder why you can't post on SF. It seems facts escape you.
 
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I even listed all of the kinds of libertarianism.. and you are still being a retard.
LOL, clearly you are the idiot if you think that listing Wikipedia articles proves a point.

East_Germany East_Germany

Look, East Germany was a "Democratic Republic"! But wait...

China China

Wow, China is a "People's Republic," even better. But there's more...

North_korea North_korea

Damn, North Korea is a "Democratic People's Republic"!

It's on Wikipedia so that means it must be true!
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Old April 9th, 2013 #89
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LOL, clearly you are the idiot if you think that listing Wikipedia articles proves a point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany

Look, East Germany was a "Democratic Republic"! But wait...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

Wow, China is a "People's Republic," even better. But there's more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_korea

Damn, North Korea is a "Democratic People's Republic"!

It's on Wikipedia so that means it must be true!
/facepalm

You started posting wikipedia articles first, nitwit. So if you think wikipedia aren't true, stop posting wikipedia articles. Seriously, every time you post you prove how retarded you are.

The fact is, that listing I posted are all real variations of libertarianism... wikipedia or not.
 
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Gotta love it.

Retard posts wikipedia links to try to make his point.
I post a group of links that I got to by following the link that he posted.
Retard doesn't like being proven wrong, so he says wikipedia is not a good source.

NM Valdez... stop being a retard.
 
Old April 9th, 2013 #91
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You started posting wikipedia articles first, nitwit.
LOL, you are acting retarded tonight, Smelley. Let's go through this again.

I was making a comment about you referencing the names of the articles themselves, as though what people named their ideology meant that name was etymologically or semantically accurate.

People can call China a people's republic or North Korea a democratic people's republic, but that doesn't make those countries democratic or republics. Similarly, merely referencing the names of so-called libertarian philosophies does not make those ideologies "libertarian."
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Old April 10th, 2013 #92
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LOL, you are acting retarded tonight, Smelley. Let's go through this again.

I was making a comment about you referencing the names of the articles themselves, as though what people named their ideology meant that name was etymologically or semantically accurate.

People can call China a people's republic or North Korea a democratic people's republic, but that doesn't make those countries democratic or republics. Similarly, merely referencing the names of so-called libertarian philosophies does not make those ideologies "libertarian."
It has nothing to do with the names of the articles I posted.

It has to do with those being types of libertarianism. They are known types of libertarianism... and I got them by following your libertarian wikipedia link. /facepalm

You say I'm being retarded, but you can't understand that simple concept. Why don't you click on one of the links, for example.. autarchism?

In fact, since you are stupid...

http://autarchism.org/What_is_Autarchism_.html

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Autarchism means literally "self rule". Similar to anarchism, it means that each person rules themselves, and should not accept rule by others. In today's vernacular, it is quite similar to libertarianism.

See Wikipedia's definition here

Some famous autarchists: Lysander Spooner, Robert LeFevre, H.L. Mencken, Mark Twain

I would classify any individual that tried to free themselves and others as autarchists as well, so would include famous Americans like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison as well.
http://centerforselfrule.org/
http://heathenautarchist.wordpress.com/autarchism/
http://earthsociety.org/wordpress/ar...tag/autarchism

http://www.wordaz.com/autarchism.html

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an american libertarian and primary theorist of autarchism
Now, either get fucking smarter... or move on. You do your Marxist brethren no favors by being a total nitwit.
 
Old April 15th, 2013 #93
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Valdez is a fucking hypocrite.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p...54#post1537854
 
Old April 15th, 2013 #94
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Of course he is. Looking at that group, it seems he has a few homosexual buddies also.
 
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