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Old November 19th, 2005 #61
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As for smoking in the Reich, you were free to do so, but just as large companies had to provide recreational facilities for the workers to play and exercise if they liked, the Health Ministry tried to point out the health effects of smoking and discourage it. See better to have a fence at the top of the cliff than an ambulance at the bottom. It saves money.

But you are right, the USA is different from Germany, being much larger for example, and with a more diverse set of European stock. Still the force of expectation and necessity will see you having an NS form of governance, if it becomes a nation based on racial principles.
 
Old November 19th, 2005 #62
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It was both too intrusive and not intrusive enough: it moved too slowly on the jew front. It proceeded deliberately, legally, and cautiously over a decade to do poorly and in portion what should have been done completely and immediately once power was in its hands.
That's possible, but it's also from hindsight. It's easy for us to forget all that's involved in remaking a society. From everything I've read I conclude that they moved as fast as they were able to, under the conditions they faced.

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On the other hand, its anti-smoking campaign - that is a perfect example of obnoxious intrusiveness. Hitler was a tad prissy in certain respects: no drinking, no smoking, no meat.
I believe that these things have been tremendously exaggerated, as has so much about the era and the program.

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Leftists are like that, not rightists. All this gradiose horseshit that govt shouldn't worry about, just take care of the drainage. Get rid of the jews and niggers, and keep your heroic superhuman stadiums to yourself. I prefer an understated government that does a few things extremely well and stays out of the rest.
Yes, that is an ideal, but you can't jump into it directly from the tar pit, as you know.
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Bill White said: [B]Well then smartie pants, tell us....."WWBWD - What Would BillWhite Do"? Huh?....((((ANSWER ME))))...LOL I realize that this discussion is all over the page, addressing many points of fact and issues; but your comment here just leaped right out at me. I think it is you Sir who is being impractical and rather tend to complicate a fairly simple matter. Your mind-set only serves to reinforce and validate the mind-set of those living off the government dole, IMO.
Quite the contrary. I am a National Socialist. I think the government should provide jobs, room and board to both those who cannot find productive labor and to criminals -- with different standards of living and degrees of control over the two.

Here's how I recently answered the question:

Assuming a peaceful ascent to power, the initial changes in the government would be national socialist but moderate. My initial foci:

* Ban the practice of the Jewish religion; arrest leaders of the Jewish lobby; enact racial laws barring Jews from holding office, participating in the press, teaching at universities, practicing law, owning large portions of American banks and companies and otherwise interfering with the vital cultural tasks of the nation

* Ban anti-racist and communist organizations; criminalize the teaching of multi-culturalism or diversity

* Enact legislation for penal reform through labor.

* Deport the Hispanic population back to their countries of origin.

* Enact segregation; dissolve all inter-racial marriages; re-criminalize race-mixing; sterilize mulattos; enact incentives to repatriate American blacks in Africa.

* End the US war in Iraq; support white nationalist movements in Europe and the general European liberation countries; focus foreign intervention on restoring Southern Africa to white rule and to resettle the black population of that part of the continent.

* Reform the welfare state; eliminate subsidies and enact labor programs -- including compulsory labor programs -- for the unemployed; make the focus of welfare assisting the temporarily out of work rather than sustaining a class of the out of work.

* Strengthen the common police powers of the state while weakening the political policing powers, except in the case of Jews and their related subversives.

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There is but one way to "awaken" the leeches of society - you light a fire under their butts - give them 6, maybe 9 months lead time and tell them their free ride ends on the end of it. They will sink or they will swim, but in any case, they will be responsible and accountable for themselves - and that is as it should be.
And when millions start rioting for food and jobs, what will you do to control them. Machine gun them? And when they responding by organizing for Bolshevism -- the only movement that seems to accept them -- what will you do, fight a civil war?

I believe in a peaceful transition to National Socialism, because the alternative, starving the masses, builds support for communism and creates the potential of a Bolshevik counter revolution.
 
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It was both too intrusive and not intrusive enough: it moved too slowly on the jew front. It proceeded deliberately, legally, and cautiously over a decade to do poorly and in portion what should have been done completely and immediately once power was in its hands.
Hitler wanted to avoid a war, and a Bolshevik counter revolution.

If a white government takes power peacefully, it is to the disadvantage of all people for it to start a civil war by attempting the immediate massacre or mass displacement of millions. Such efforts will allow communists to recruit and organize and may very well lead to a civil war which it is always possible the communists could win.

A white government that took power would be much better advised to move cautiously in building the new order, rather than moving abruptly against popular opposition and being overthrown.

Hitler realize this, thus the actions of the Third Reich.

This is one of the reasons I say people need more practical experience in building a political-social-cultural-economic movement. Such experience tends to eliminate the fantastic thinking behind "silver bullet" solutions.

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On the other hand, its anti-smoking campaign - that is a perfect example of obnoxious intrusiveness. Hitler was a tad prissy in certain respects: no drinking, no smoking, no meat.
Hitler had a deep respect for life and for himself, thus he did not kill animals unnecessarily, and he did not abuse his body with toxic substances. There is nothing prissy about that.

Those who obsess over the "freedom" to harm themselves or enage in vice show the weakness of their own characters.


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Leftists are like that, not rightists. All this gradiose horseshit that govt shouldn't worry about, just take care of the drainage. Get rid of the jews and niggers, and keep your heroic superhuman stadiums to yourself. I prefer an understated government that does a few things extremely well and stays out of the rest.
How can a community-based government address issues of race? How can one give local autonomy to governing units that may decide "hey, this white power thing isn't so good after all? let's bring the niggers back."

Any sort of racial policy implies central authority.

And in order to avoid class struggle, the government must intervene in the economy to curb the excesses of the bourgeoisie and to drive the economy towards social, not private, interest.

You have some other good points you've made that deserve addressing Alex, in some other posts, and I will try to hit them later on.



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Oh shit, I'm agreeing with Bill White.

Or maybe he's agreeing with me.

Either way, I'm doomed.
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VNN is a group. It may not be a formal organization, but it does exist as an identifiable political entity.
Jeezus Bill, which one is it? Who the hell let you back in?


Notwithstanding your usage of oxymora, I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. Especially this stuff:
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National Vanguard and Stormfront, and their leaders, Kevin Strom, Don Black and David Duke, are national socialists who believe very strongly that national socialism cannot win, and that there must be a bourgeois-conservative revolution as a precondition for a National Socialist victory.
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In life you only get what you ask for. If you ask for a "far right" conservative government that embraces the principles of the Constitution and had some mild understanding of racial reality, you will get that -- and it will, over time, turn into exactly what the last government in the US of that nature turned into -- a neo-conservative state dominated and exploited by Jews and ex-communists.
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If you're going to fight the uphill battle for a revolution, you might as well fight for what you want...
 
Old November 20th, 2005 #67
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Welcome, Lisa. That busy message would be the result of the latest DOS attack courtesy of the tender blokes at the Amalgamated Federation of Homosexuals, Jews, and Multiple-Drug-Resistant Rectal Gonorrhea Sufferers.
Ahhhh, I see. Cyber-terrorism courtesy the speech-stompers. Too funny....whatever could they be afraid of?
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Your "wish" list is expansive Bill.....and I think impractical and unrealistic. Certainly, your listing contains some beneficial ideas; but to say that you want the government to "provide for" it's citizens just reeks of the liberal mind-set that has proven to be our Achilles' heal to begin with.

Personally, I'd be happy turning the clock back 60 some years.

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And when millions start rioting for food and jobs, what will you do to control them. Machine gun them? And when they responding by organizing for Bolshevism -- the only movement that seems to accept them -- what will you do, fight a civil war?
Quite simply, yes. You don't "control" animals and lawbreakers - you "handle" them.
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Your "wish" list is expansive Bill.....and I think impractical and unrealistic. Certainly, your listing contains some beneficial ideas;
I disagree. Bill is advocating closely the points of the original NSDAP. Impractical and unrealistic? The Third Reich did it. Germany went from being in the gutter and having a boot on its postWWI neck to being a world power in six years. Hitler and the NSDAP did that, not capitalist jews.

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but to say that you want the government to "provide for" it's citizens just reeks of the liberal mind-set that has proven to be our Achilles' heal to begin with.
I suggest you actually read some things about National Socialism. It won't work in a multiracial society. It will work in a White society. I used to be one of the "Constitutionalists" until I saw how easy the document makes it for the jew to worm his way in. I am proven correct. That is why I became a National Socialist myself.

I also gave thought to the issue of socialism because I had been led to believe that it was evil and something was wrong with it. But, you know, the Reich didn't have so much a welfare state as they had a state that protected the workers, the citizenry. I have no problem at all helping White widows, orphans and those who absolutely cannot help themselves. Under jew capitalism, we are expected to cast these people on the streets along with the deaf, the blind and etc.

One of the 25 points is that any child that has high IQ gets college. If the parents are poor then the government pays for it. A great idea. It moves bright minds up in society instead of keeping them down.

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Personally, I'd be happy turning the clock back 60 some years.
Not so much that as fulfilling the best political philosophy that sprang from Germany all of those years ago.

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Quite simply, yes. You don't "control" animals and lawbreakers - you "handle" them.
While I agree with that, troops gunning down people in the streets horrifies everyone on the sidelines of the struggle. Bill is right. The commies would crawl out of the woodwork and the crackhouses and try to stage their own revolution. It takes a careful hand...
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25 POINTS OF AMERICAN NATIONAL SOCIALISM

1. We demand the union of all Whites into a greater America on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

2. We demand equality of rights for the American people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the United Nations, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the World Bank, the North American Free Trade Agreement, the World Trade Organization, and the International Monetary Fund.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle surplus population.

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation. :cheers:

5. The right to vote on the State government and legislation shall be enjoyed by citizens of the state alone.

We therefore demand that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the nation, in the states or in smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations and special interests-without reference to character or abilities.

6. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) will be deported.

7. All non-White immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Whites currently residing in America be required to leave the nation forthwith and return to their land of origin: peacefully or by force.

8. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties, regardless of class or station.

9. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash within the framework of the community and be for the common good.

We therefore demand:

10. The abolition of incomes unearned by work The breaking of interest slavery.

11. In view of the enormous personal sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

12. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

13. We demand economic reform suitable to our national requirements;

The prohibition of pro-marxist unions and their supplantation with National Socialist trade unions;

The passing of a law instituting profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises;
[looking at what the average CEO of a corp makes vs. the average worker who actually keeps the corp alive, I see no problem with this-dtz]

The creation of a livable wage;

The restructuring of social security and welfare to include drug testing for welfare recipients;

The immediate discontinuation of all taxes on things of life's necessity, such as food, clothing, shelter, medicine etc.:

The replacement of the current tax system with a flat-rate tax based on income.

14. We demand the treasonable system of health care be completely revolutionized.

We demand an end to the status quo in which people die or rot away from lack of proper treatment due to the failure of their medical coverage, Health Maintenance Organization, or insurance policy.

We further demand the extensive development of insurance for old age and that prescription drugs be made both affordable and accessible.

15. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small trades in the placing of state and municipal orders.

16. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, that shall be twofold in nature:

The primary land reform will be to ensure all members of the nation receive affordable housing. The party as such stands explicitly for private property.

However, we support the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation when deemed necessary for land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare.

We further demand the abolition of ground rent, the discontinuation of all taxes on property, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

The secondary land reform will be to ensure the environmental integrity of the nation is preserved;

By setting aside land for national wildlife refuges;

By cleaning the urban, agricultural, and hydrographical (water) areas of the nation;

By creating legislation regulating the amount of pollution, carbon dioxide, greenhouse gases , and toxins released into the atmosphere;

And for the continued research and development of clean burning fuels and energy sources.

17. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, usurers, profiteers, race traitors, etc. must be severely punished, whatever their creed or race.

18. We demand that Roman edict law, which serves a materialistic new world order, be replaced by Anglo-Saxon common law.

19. The state must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education with the aim of opening up to every able and hardworking American the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement.

The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life.

The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the state of the nation through the study of civic affairs.

We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the state.

20. The state must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers, infants, and the unborn:

By prohibiting abortion and euthanasia, except in cases of rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation

By prohibiting child labor and ending the rudiments of child abuse, alcoholism, and drug addiction.

By creating conditions to make possible the reestablishment of the nuclear family in which the father works while the mother stays at home and takes care of the children if they so choose.

By taking away the economic burden associated with childbirth and replacing it with a structured system of pay raises for those that give birth to healthy babies, thereby returning the blessing associated with children.

To further ensure that the nation's health standards are raised, legislation shall be passed promoting physical strength and providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

21. We demand the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens.

22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army, the end to the over-use of our military as a 'Meals-on-Wheels' program in foreign lands of no vital interest to our nation; and the formation of a true national service for the defense of our race and nation. One that excludes: non-Americans, criminals, and sensitivity training.

23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a national press we demand:

(a) That all editors of and contributors to newspapers appearing in the English language must be members of the nation;

(b) That no non-American newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be written in the English language;

(c) That non-Whites shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing American newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspapers, and the immediate deportation of the non-Americans involved.

The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

24. We demand absolute religious freedom for all denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence nor offend the moral feelings of the White race. The Party combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common good before self-interest.

25. To put the whole program into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central national government for the nation; the unconditional authority of the political central parliament over the entire nation and its organizations; and the formation of committees for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the nation and the various American States.

The leaders of the movement promise to work ruthlessly-if need be to sacrifice their very lives-to translate this program into action.
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Well, I guess my calls to JP to write this are superfluous since someone else got to it first.

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National Socialists reject the Establishment's misleading left/right political spectrum, and are neither "rightist" nor "leftist," favoring policies similar to those put forth by both "liberals" and "conservatives" on many issues. National Socialism cannot be confined to a philosophical "pigeonhole" because our revolutionary Vision transcends the false stereotypes inherent in the "traditional" political spectrum.

Fascism is properly the name of the political and social ideology espoused by Italian Duce and Premier Benito Mussolini. Fascism and National Socialism have many similarities, but are not synonymous. Fascists believe in the supremacy of the State and conformance to a rigid artificial social order, while National Socialism is the manifestation of the Laws of Nature in harmony with the collective spirit of the People, or Folk, who are the highest entity of the Nation, above the State and other man-made institutions.

The term "fascist" derives from the Latin word fasces, the name of the Roman symbol of legitimate authority, a wrapped bundle of rods with a projecting axe. The fasces can be found today in and on many "American" Federal and State government buildings, and county court houses. "Fascist" is regularly used by the Jewish-controlled media, Establishment academicians, and misled Americans as a label intended to be severely derogatory to any opponent of the present System's illegitimate power over the American People.
What does National Socialism offer me, the ordinary American?

National Socialism means the opportunity of a happier, more fulfilling life for the ordinary American working man and woman.

A National Socialist government will work for you and your best interests, using your hard-earned tax dollars for the benefit of your People's well-being, not for "foreign aid" parasites like Israel.

National Socialism means that the American worker's productivity --his or her hard work-- will work not for international bankers, millionaire Capitalist racketeers, and their politician-stooges, but to build a better today for American families and an even brighter tomorrow for Aryan children.
National Socialists support:

1. opportunities for all to have a rewarding, productive career, suited to individual ability, talent, and needs.

2. affordable opportunities for all families to truly own a home or a food-and-fiber-producing homestead.

3. opportunities for creative entrepreneurs to establish or sustain productive businesses supporting their families and the national economy, free from the crippling taxes, usury-bondage, and corrupt anti-entrepreneur tactics of today's monopoly Capitalist system.

4. physical and spiritual health maintenance programs for all ages, emphasizing holistic nutrition and fitness awareness.

5. free, comprehensive medical services for all, with special concern for children, mothers, and the aged.

6. free, universal quality education, primary through university level, stressing excellence, practical knowledge, and love of wisdom.

7. enjoyable leisure and social activities for workers inside and outside the workplace, including family vacations, participant sports, and Nature appreciation activities.

8. replacement of Establishment-directed soul-destroying mindless "entertainment" and degenerate "art" with government-supported programs empowering all to express themselves in spiritually-healthy music and literature, graphic, plastic, and performing arts, and other cultureforms.

9. replacement of the Establishment's mechanistic, inorganic, money-driven law code with a People's Law system upholding the principle of justice for individuals regardless of wealth, gender, or age.

Question not how National Socialism will build a better life, but how it can once again.

That comes from here:
http://www3.stormfront.org/ns/nsprimer.html

I am extremely disappointed that Stormfront does not list NSM in the resources section. America's Nazi Party gets no mention but NA/NV does? WTF?
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The original 25 point party program of the NSDAP can be found here:
http://www4.stormfront.org/posterity/ns/25pts.html

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Business forces men to be industrious and creative, whereas academia instills conformity and passivity.
Maybe fifty years ago this was the situation. In large corporate Amerikwa today, conformity and passivity, especially with regards to White males, are demanded. The corporate structure operates exactly in a Jew prescribed fashion. It is multi-cultural, effeminate, even matriarchal in its nature and operation. Any sign of masculinity on the part of a White Male is viewed as a threat by the corporate matriarchy. It is a highly controlled artificial environment in which women and minorities are elevated above White Males. There is no malfeasance on the part of women and minorities that won't be tolerated. As in all things Jewed and multi-culturalized in Amerikwa today, those artificially elevated on some level are aware that if White Males ever assert themselves their little party will be over. White men exist only to serve women and minorities. They are constantly under the microscope for any sign of non-compliance. White men that do rise in the company are only the most conformist, obsequious, effeminate and unprincipled fops in Amerikwa today.

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disagree. Bill is advocating closely the points of the original NSDAP. Impractical and unrealistic? The Third Reich did it. Germany went from being in the gutter and having a boot on its postWWI neck to being a world power in six years. Hitler and the NSDAP did that, not capitalist jews.
The Third Reich fell DZ.

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I suggest you actually read some things about National Socialism. It won't work in a multiracial society. It will work in a White society. I used to be one of the "Constitutionalists" until I saw how easy the document makes it for the jew to worm his way in. I am proven correct. That is why I became a National Socialist myself.
I'm teachable DZ....my mind remains forever open, which is the reason I've involved myself and am interested in this movement to begin with, however, as to the Jew......he is a parasite who in part, because of his greedy and supremacist nature always takes one bite of the apple too many and gets found out. The scenario has played out hundreds of times in the common era - they get found out and kicked out of their host nations. History repeats itself like that and this time shall be no different - the only identifiable difference this time is, Jews are running out of places to hide.........their "homo-land" won't even be a safe haven for them because without the US and the generosity of it's taxpayers, it's impotent...it will fail to exist. This bullshit, trumped up, lie of a war for Israel is beginning to awaken even the staunchest Lib. It's the JEW DZ.....and they use dumb blax and other minorities as their front men.......they turned them loose on us and they will be sorry they did. I know how the story ends......history tells us so.

One of the 25 points is that any child that has high IQ gets college. If the parents are poor then the government pays for it. A great idea. It moves bright minds up in society instead of keeping them down.

We do away with anti-white, government endorsed programs like AA. That's a no-brainer. The ability to obtain a college education should be based on desire and motivation....not IQ and the truth is, if we stopped giving free educations to minorities just because they are, college tuitions through out the country would be lower and more affordable to the average working family.

I'd like to see ALL white persons educated........not just the inherently brightest amongst us. That's how we improve and raise IQ DZ...we educate our people.

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While I agree with that, troops gunning down people in the streets horrifies everyone on the sidelines of the struggle. Bill is right. The commies would crawl out of the woodwork and the crackhouses and try to stage their own revolution. It takes a careful hand...
The well is gonna run dry.....the wheels are gonna fall off the wagon here DZ....the economy is gonna collapse and the scenario that Bill expressed WILL become reality. There will be shooting in the streets..and what white folks saw just go down in Toledo and after Katrina will look like the third grade picnic. I surmize that'll bring about a time when people accept that it's time to separate the wheat from the chaff.........eat or be eaten.
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The original 25 point party program of the NSDAP can be found here:
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Thank you....I need to get started on my day. I've booked marked your link and will give it a read later.
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The Third Reich fell DZ.
The reason it did is because Germany was fighting the "allies" with their jew money and material output, which Germany alone could not match. Even historians admit that German arms and tactics tended to be superior. Thing was, Germany could not produce enough arms or babies to win alone.

I once saw an interview with a former GI who was in a Sherman tank. That tank was junk. He admitted it. Admitted that their shells bounced off of the German tanks. The only way they could knock out German armor with a Sherman was to have a gang of them hit one German tank. Only the Russian T-34 was a match for German armor.

That is just one example.


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Me, too. That is why I became NS at the ripe old age of 33. LOL.

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which is the reason I've involved myself and am interested in this movement to begin with, however, as to the Jew......he is a parasite who in part, because of his greedy and supremacist nature always takes one bite of the apple too many and gets found out. The scenario has played out hundreds of times in the common era - they get found out and kicked out of their host nations. History repeats itself like that and this time shall be no different - the only identifiable difference this time is, Jews are running out of places to hide.........their "homo-land" won't even be a safe haven for them because without the US and the generosity of it's taxpayers, it's impotent...it will fail to exist. This bullshit, trumped up, lie of a war for Israel is beginning to awaken even the staunchest Lib. It's the JEW DZ.....and they use dumb blax and other minorities as their front men.......they turned them loose on us and they will be sorry they did. I know how the story ends......history tells us so.
I agree with you here to a point. And that point is the fact that the US State Dept has set up an agency for the jew, Canada and Germany will arrest those that make comments against jews. The UN probably is not far behind. Even the ADL has infested law enforcement heavily.

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We do away with anti-white, government endorsed programs like AA. That's a no-brainer. The ability to obtain a college education should be based on desire and motivation....not IQ and the truth is, if we stopped giving free educations to minorities just because they are, college tuitions through out the country would be lower and more affordable to the average working family.

I'd like to see ALL white persons educated........not just the inherently brightest amongst us. That's how we improve and raise IQ DZ...we educate our people.
I agree with you here, though NS tends to look at someone's abilities and talents. I avoided college myself. I prefer to work outdoors and in an occupation that is physically challenging. Keeps me from getting fat. I would go nuts working in an office somewhere. Not all of us want or need college. Otherwise, I agree.

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The well is gonna run dry.....the wheels are gonna fall off the wagon here DZ....the economy is gonna collapse and the scenario that Bill expressed WILL become reality. There will be shooting in the streets..and what white folks saw just go down in Toledo and after Katrina will look like the third grade picnic. I surmize that'll bring about a time when people accept that it's time to separate the wheat from the chaff.........eat or be eaten.
Your scenario is why I became a survivalist in '94. The day will come. Stock beans and bullets, guys. And get the hell out of the cities.
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Old November 20th, 2005 #77
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The Third Reich fell DZ.
The Third Reich was overwhelmed. Whenever I get the chance I like to expose fans of the greatest generation to a geographical world map and point out how it took a half a decade for nine tenths of the world to subdue the other one tenth.
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I said the market had to be constrained in a political system, that is regulation. The market, not government, will indeed produce riches. Today you can walk into any store and with perhaps $2000 buy all the non-food goods you'll need for the rest of your life. Necessities are so cheap and easily produced that the real difficulty becomes finding new unworthy groups to extend credit to buy stuff no one needs in the first place.

The poor today in human countries are inconceivably richer than the poor in other centuries. The poorest nigger in America is worlds richer in a purely money sense than average White Americans back in the thirties.

Instead they're spending that time in school doing worse than nothing, in many cases. Children can't work real jobs until they're 16, which is foolish. Ninety percent of the population can't handle college material, so the extra years of schooling are wasted, or schooling in name only, or political indoctrination. The idea that the state makes the people rich is not merely ludicrous it is the opposite of the truth. The state makes people poorer. Unions are great if you have a job, but if you don't have a job, the union will keep it that way. Unions are the reason so many people in Europe are unemployed.
I will not comment on the last sentence which is obvious bs.On the rest:

1.Sure the market may produce some "riches" and some wealth.But this is not the point.Left alone all of these "riches" and this wealth will go into the pockets of the few, namely the capitalist pigs.The working masses who practicaly produced this wealth will remain empty handed.Its logical then that the profits of the market have to be controlled at least to a point by the state.

In the past,in the pre-Globalization era, the democratic state and the unions where primary responsible for the redistribution of this produced wealth so that the working masses would profit to a point from this.

Today,Globalization-era, the democratic state has proved corrupt and the unions unable to defend the "redistribution" rights of the working masses.Democratic politicians need the election-campaign funds of the greedy capitalists and the unions almost always comply with the demands of the capitalists under the threat of taking the jobs overseas.Outsourcing has proved a powerful weapon in the hand of the greedy capitalists against the unions.The democratic state will not face this problem because it badly needs those above-mentioned financial funds.

2.Apart from all that,the national socialist state will also have to make sure that even the family-oriented business will not "produce wealth" by harming the "health" of the Volk.You named interracial sex for example.I could add tabaco,and enviroment-polluting industries etc. to it.

Considering now points 1 and 2 how could a decentralized "small",weak and unbeaurocratic state handle these problems.This is ridiculous.
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What is needed is a strong,all-powerfull,authoritarian,centralized National Socialist state.
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The original 25 point party program of the NSDAP can be found here:
http://www4.stormfront.org/posterity/ns/25pts.html

Sieg Heil!\o

I think you will find a better version here

http://www.adolfhitler.ws/lib/nsdap/docs/nsdap.html

look under Party Program

I grew up in a racist family and one thing is certain, they would not spit on a Nazi, their view being Hitler declared war on the USA, thus he and Nazism became the enemy.They went to war and fought and died fighting Nazis, and be damned if they were going to support them.

For my 2 cents every person who puts on his Nazi costume and parades around spits in the face of the US combat vet.

The WN will never succeed under the swastika, it does more harm than good.
 
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The original 25 point party program of the NSDAP can be found here:
http://www4.stormfront.org/posterity/ns/25pts.html

Sieg Heil!\o
Hitler ended up compromising some of the points. He renounced the German claim to South Tyrol in order to facilitate an alliance with Italy.

In the USA, the only opportunities for an upstart political party to be elected are going to be on the state and local level, where a lot of the points in a detailed party platform are going to be excess baggage. It would be better to stick to the essentials instead of going into a lot of detail that can be attacked and which might have to be changed anyway if you even were lucky enough to gain control of the US Government.

Personally I think that NSM should give up the pretense that it is a political party. Upstart political parties are automatically regarded as unrealistic in the US, where the system is much less favorable than that under which the NSDAP started.

Special-interest and "activist" groups are common, and you can represent an extreme viewpoint as an activist without seeming totally unrealistic.

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