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Old April 16th, 2004 #1
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This is going to sound so weird and silly but...why are they so damn weird? I mean every time I turn on one of those evangelist channels on tv theres some weirdo preacher barking like a nigger? Why are they like that? Plus these peel seem to parade around on a stage and not in a church.

Anyone have any info on these type of people?
 
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Total, complete scam artists. Sam Kinison used to be one, allegedly one of the best, too. I saw a bio on him where he told how he was trained to work the crowds and such. Kind of reminds me of wrestling.
 
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* Sam Kinison was a foul mouthed comedian in the late 80's and early 90's. Before he was a comedian he was an Assembly of God evangelist. But by his own testimony he was an evangelist that was getting your money, not helping you spiritually. When he found out he had the talent to be a comedian, he stopped preaching and became a filthy comic. He said he loved the freedom of comedy instead of the restrictions of an evangelist. When he first began as a comic in Houston, Texas the wages were small. When he needed money he found a church that would let him hold a meeting. He laughed when people told him he was anointed of God. He said he wasn't anointed he just knew what to say so they would open up their wallets and purses.


I would say that pretty much sums it up for all of them.
 
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Obviously posted before his death, nonetheless, hilarious



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Anti-gay Comedy Album Ignites Protest


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Burlington lesbians and gay men should make themselves aware of Sam Kinison's presence in Burlington on November 2 at the Memorial Auditorium to perform material from his new anti-gay, anti-women, racist comedy album marketed by Warner Brothers Records.

Kinison's "Have You Seen Me Lately?" is the highest charting comedy album of the past decade according to Billboard magazine

The segment which has drawn the most outrage is the following:

"Safe sex? God damn those fucking bastards," Kinison shouts to a cheering crowd. "Get off our backs! Because a few fags fucked a few monkeys· they got so bored· their own assholes weren't enough. They had to go into the fuckin' jungle and grab some fuckin' monkey and fuck him in the ass and bring back the plague of the 80's. Thanks guys. And because of this shit they want us to wear rubbers? Do we like rubbers, guys?"

"No," the audience shouts back.

"No, we hate 'em," he bellows, as he continues to talk about "these fags·dropping like flies."

Warner Brothers apparently had reservations about this routine but decided to release it with stickers on the album stating that "some employees at Warner Brothers disassociate themselves with this work."

After outrage began building about the album, a meeting was called between Warner Bros. and a coalition of gay and AIDS groups. The coalition demanded that the record be pulled from circulation or at least re-edited.

The record company decided instead to insert an AIDS educational flyer in new copies of the record. Activists say this is not satisfactory.

Members of Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (ACT UP) are brainstorming action plans against Warner Bros. Possibilities include a boycott, demands for a public apology with Kinison present and substantial donations to a gay anti-violence, anti-defamation or anti-homophobia group, and dogging Kinison on this promotional tour around the country.

Actress Whoopi Goldberg and Mothers Against Drunk Driving have also been very active in confronting Warner Bros. (Kinison asserts on the album that drunk driving should be "left to the experts.")

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Old April 17th, 2004 #5
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Between 1976 and 1977 a gun-weilding madman prowled the city streets of New York at night. His weapon was a .44 revolver and at first the tabloids tagged him as the ".44 Caliber Killer" instead of the later, more popular, "Son of Sam".

It all began on July 29, 1976, when two young women were shot in a parked car in the Bronx. Young people in cars--often dating couples--would continue to be the killers targets of choice. On one occasion, however, he gunned down a pair of young women sitting on a stoop. On another, he shot a woman as she walked home from school. Frantically she tried protecting her face with a book--but to no avail. She was blasted in the head. Before his rampage was over, a total of six young New Yorkers were dead, seven more severely wounded.

At the scene of one double murder, police found a long, ranting note from the killer. "I am the 'Son of Sam.' I am a little brat," he wrote. From that point on, the killer would be known by his bizarre new nickname.

For months, while the city was gripped by panic, police made no head-way. When a break finally came, it happened as a result of a thirty-five dollar parking ticket. On July 31, 1977, when a couple was shot along the Brooklyn shore, a witness noticed someone driving away from the scene in a car that had just been ticketed. Tracing the summons through their computer, the police came up with the name and address of David Berkowitz, a pudgy-faced rather ugly postal worker living in Yonkers.

When police picked him up, they found an arsenal in the trunk of Berkowitz's car. Son of Sam had been planning an apocalyptic act of carnage--a kamikaze assault on a Long Island disco.

Under arrest, Berkowitz explained the meaning of his bizarre moniker. "Sam" turned out to be the name of a neighbor, Sam Carr, who--in Berkowitz's profoundly warped mind--was actually a "high demon" who transmitted his orders to kill through his pet dog, a black Labrador retriever. Insane as his story was, Berkowitz was found mentally fit to stand trial. He was eventually sentenced to three hundred years in the pen, where he has recently undergone a religious conversion and become a jailhouse televangelist, preching the "gospel" on public-access TV.

Some people say that Berkowitz's religious conversion is fake. Others believe it is real. I'm not sure where I stand, but we all know by reading his confessions and his failed attempts to gain the "insanity" status that he is a very creative and believable liar.

Not too long ago I happened upon a very interesting, humorous website. In fact, it is the personal website of David Berkowitz. That's right, folks--the gun-toting madman we all love and know as the "Son of Sam" has his own personal website. What's even more wild about his website is that it is based on his "testimony" for Christ. How heart warming. You can download this "testimony" (this is no joke) and listen to it on your computer. Haven't really wanted to download it yet, but if one of you do it let me know. Click here to access his "forgiven for life" website. Ha. Have fun.
 
Old April 17th, 2004 #6
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Conversion, my ass. He will return to his talmudic ways like a dog to its vomit. Why not try any way to get out though, jailhouse conversions have worked before for that purpose.
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Between 1976 and 1977 a gun-weilding madman prowled the city streets of New York at night. His weapon was a .44 revolver and at first the tabloids tagged him as the ".44 Caliber Killer" instead of the later, more popular, "Son of Sam".

It all began on July 29, 1976, when two young women were shot in a parked car in the Bronx. Young people in cars--often dating couples--would continue to be the killers targets of choice. On one occasion, however, he gunned down a pair of young women sitting on a stoop. On another, he shot a woman as she walked home from school. Frantically she tried protecting her face with a book--but to no avail. She was blasted in the head. Before his rampage was over, a total of six young New Yorkers were dead, seven more severely wounded.

At the scene of one double murder, police found a long, ranting note from the killer. "I am the 'Son of Sam.' I am a little brat," he wrote. From that point on, the killer would be known by his bizarre new nickname.

For months, while the city was gripped by panic, police made no head-way. When a break finally came, it happened as a result of a thirty-five dollar parking ticket. On July 31, 1977, when a couple was shot along the Brooklyn shore, a witness noticed someone driving away from the scene in a car that had just been ticketed. Tracing the summons through their computer, the police came up with the name and address of David Berkowitz, a pudgy-faced rather ugly postal worker living in Yonkers.

When police picked him up, they found an arsenal in the trunk of Berkowitz's car. Son of Sam had been planning an apocalyptic act of carnage--a kamikaze assault on a Long Island disco.

Under arrest, Berkowitz explained the meaning of his bizarre moniker. "Sam" turned out to be the name of a neighbor, Sam Carr, who--in Berkowitz's profoundly warped mind--was actually a "high demon" who transmitted his orders to kill through his pet dog, a black Labrador retriever. Insane as his story was, Berkowitz was found mentally fit to stand trial. He was eventually sentenced to three hundred years in the pen, where he has recently undergone a religious conversion and become a jailhouse televangelist, preching the "gospel" on public-access TV.

Some people say that Berkowitz's religious conversion is fake. Others believe it is real. I'm not sure where I stand, but we all know by reading his confessions and his failed attempts to gain the "insanity" status that he is a very creative and believable liar.

Not too long ago I happened upon a very interesting, humorous website. In fact, it is the personal website of David Berkowitz. That's right, folks--the gun-toting madman we all love and know as the "Son of Sam" has his own personal website. What's even more wild about his website is that it is based on his "testimony" for Christ. How heart warming. You can download this "testimony" (this is no joke) and listen to it on your computer. Haven't really wanted to download it yet, but if one of you do it let me know. Click here to access his "forgiven for life" website. Ha. Have fun.
 
Old April 17th, 2004 #7
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Like 'our' professional politicians and a multitude of others nominally gentile, these flam-flammers who profess to know the 'will of god' are incontrovertible proof that you needn't be born of either a jewish mother or father to be jewish-in-spirit. (But it helps, of course.)

From an old NatVan magazine article by Dr. Pierce:


Gurus against the West

And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbor; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.
And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.

- Isaiah 19 :2-3

The Jewish formula for destroying the goyim does not seem to have changed much in the 2,700 years since it was enunciated so forthrightly by Isaiah. The spirit of the West certainly has failed; and if the controlled news and entertainment media have not yet destroyed the last vestiges of sound judgment in America and the other Western nations, they are not far from that goal.
It may not be surprising to learn that the same people who so dominate the mass media today also are well represented among the charmers and the wizards and them that have familiar spirits, but it may be surprising to see just how strong that representation is.
• The largest and one of the best-known of the guru-led cults now taking advantage of America’s spiritual collapse to sweep in the growing number of lost and demoralized souls among the country’s youth is the Unification Church - better known as “the Moonies.” The latter name comes from the cult’s founder, Korean evangelist Sun Myung Moon, who served a stretch in the Federal hoosegow for tax evasion.
But the Unification Church is actually run by its president, Mose Durst, an Orthodox Jew from Brooklyn who made his living as a Hebrew teacher and a campus Hillel director before taking on his present responsibilities. Although Durst stays in the background, he serves as the interpreter of Moon’s wishes to the faithful, since Moon gives all his speeches and sermons in Korean. Durst also makes the major policy decisions which rule the lives of an estimated 50,000 Moonies in the United States.
One Moonie activity which has attracted public notice recently is the staging of mass “arranged” marriages between members; the partners in these marriages, according to Durst, are selected as often as possible from different races. “All our marriages are arranged, and it is better that way,” he said. “It is one way to solve interracial division permanently.”
Although considerably less numerous than the Moonies, the followers of Indian guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh have also been much in the limelight, with their efforts to gain political control of the county in Oregon where a number of them have settled. Toward that end they rounded up several thousand “street people” in Washington, D.C., New York City, and other major metropolitan areas; bussed them to a Rajneeshee-owned ranch in Wasco County, Oregon; provided food and housing for their new guests; and then registered them as voters. The scheme backfired when the locals became alarmed and began enlisting the support of state officials to help fight off the takeover attempt,
Interestingly enough the guru, like Moon, requires a Jewish mouthpiece for communicating his wishes to his flock. In fact, Bhagwan claims not to have uttered a word, except to disciple Ma Anand Sheela, since arriving in America in 1981 and taking a vow of silence. The latter, who was Sheila Silverman before she became a Rajneeshee and took an Indian name, not only is the guru’s personal secretary, but also is president of the Rajneesh Foundation International.
Among the wishes Ms. Silverman has communicated to her fellow Rajneeshees is that they spend as
much time as possible engaged in the group grope” activity for which the cult is notorious: members take off their clothes and roll around on the floor with one another in a therapeutic nude romp.

• The Children of God, more obscure today than the Moonies and the Rajneeshees, were much better known in America a generation ago,when they made headlines with their claims that the arrival of comet Kohoutek in 1973 presaged the destructruction of the United States in 1974. Since then their leader, Moses David (born David Berg), has been living abroad and communicating with an estimated 3,000 American followers via “Mo (for Moses) letters” - rambling, pornographic diatribes which contain the “word of the living God” - i.e., of David Berg.
Berg’s Mo letters reflect a typically Fruedian fascination with the human organs and processes of elimination- and with sex. He has, at various times, urged his female followers to bare their breasts (“Can’t we leave those summits bare, without all that underwear?”), to try lesbian sex with one another, and to engage in fornication with potential male converts in order to persuade them to join the cult. Other Mo letters have encouraged wife-swapping among cult members (perhaps to justify Berg’s penchant for dalliances with the wives of members) and have boasted of Berg’s pimping for his own wife in his recruiting efforts.
Here’s a sample from a Mo letter instructing Berg’s followers as to the attitude they should have toward their parents:

"They live like animals- What do they do? They eat and drink, sleep and fuck, shit and piss - they suck the asshole of the System, that’s all they do. Fuck them! They’re not your family. There’s only one family. This is your family. And you don’t leave. Leaving here and going back to that is like a dog returning to his vomit, it’s like going back and eating your own shit! Moses is your father. There's no salvation except through him. You leave here you’ll have blood on your hands. You leave here you’ll be struck by lightning. You go back to that shit-filth flesh-family and you’ll all be killed!
Listen to what Moses says about your vomit-stinking parents. This is what he says: “You, my dear parents are the greatest rebels against God - . - to hell with your devilish system. May God damn your unbelieving hearts. God is going to destroy you and save us - . - for truly this is a wicked and adulterous and rebellious generation which I shall destroy and I say God damn you all to Hell!” That’s God talking, God talking through Moses, and you’d better listen to him."

• Est, the “consciousness transformation” movement, does not have all the religious trappings of the aforementioned cults, and it relies on high-powered seminars instead of prayers or chanting for its efficacy, but it is a cult nevertheless, complete with a guru. The guru of est calls himself "Werner Erhard," but his real name is Jack Rosenberg. He is a Jew from Philadelphia, now 65.
In 1971 Rosenberg decided the world owed him a better living than he was making selling used cars in California. so he launched the est movement, using the psychological tricks that he had found effective in selling cars to convince people that he could “transform” their consciousness and thereby enhance their “personal potential.” Today he has 350 employees in 27 est centers around the United States. More than 750,000 Americans have signed up for his expensive consciousness transformation seminars. He took in $36 million in 1988.
And there are dozens of other, smaller cults - the Brother Julius cult, headquartered in Meriden, Connecticut, and operated by Julius Schacknow, a Jew from Brooklyn who claims he’s the reincarnation of Jesus; the following of Baba Ram Dass, really a Jewish psychologist from Harvard, Richard Alpert, passing himself off as a Hindu spiritual teacher; the Church of Armageddon, in Seattle, headed by Paul Erdman, who calls himself “Love Israel” and gives all of his followers names ending in “Israel.”
Including the ones which are no longer active, probably a hundred of them have sprung up in the United States during the past three decades - and well over half of them have been headed by Jews.
What leads so many Jews into the cult business - and not just “assimilated” Jews, but thoroughly Jewish ones, like Mose Durst? Well, for one thing there’s the money. Jack Rosenberg isn’t the only one who’s struck it rich; most of the charmers and wizards are raking in the shekels in these days of growing moral confusion.
Then, too, there’s a substantial element of show biz in the cult business, and the relationship between guru and follower is not unlike that between the professional con and his mark.
But isn’t it also possible that some of them have formed cults or taken over cults in either conscious or unconscious obedience to the tribal imperative, stated so clearly in Isaiah’s formula, to destroy the counsel of the goyim?
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They are fucking scumbags. One easy reason to understand why they are so deep in the pocket of the JEW: FCC licensing of the televitz operations.

From the Dravidian in the Nehru Jacket to Squinty Pat Robeson to Swaggerin Swigert to the little faggot who poked Jessica, they are scum.

My wife and I were watching some cable access program the other night, with this fat fuck from Texas faith-healing a bunch of sorry Mexicans. The translation of his gibberish was almost as crappy as what he was saying but I'll say it came out better in Spanish. The video was absolutely horrible, with obstructions and all kinds of snafus, and you could almost smell the body odor in the house. Amazingly this white televangelist was even fatter that the Mexicants.

They will get the gibbet. Nobody has made Christianity look worse or more inoperative than these fucking dolts and charlatans. They might as well have been handpicked by Judzim.
 
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They will get the gibbet. Nobody has made Christianity look worse or more inoperative than these fucking dolts and charlatans. They might as well have been handpicked by Judzim.
The foolishness of the televangelists and their rbunnies is clownish as a laff track, but the refined folk who believe that once upon a time there was a Dude Who Came Back occupy a philosophically identical position. The difference is class and its taste, not kind.

Does reality exist, or is it optional? Christianity asserts on risk of everlasting Hell that reality is one way for the rest of us, but a special way for jesus. It's like he's a jew or something. Every man in recorded history save Jesus could not turn water into wine, walk on water, or come back from the dead. But we must believe in that one special feller on point of death! "No way to eternal life but through me," say the jewish reporters taking down Kid Comeback, a hundred years after his disappearance.

So we laugh at the dope falling over backwards, miraculously cured of hemorrhoids but we give a pass to the tasteful christians who worship a guy who came back from the dead? Christianity must be the most easily refuted belief system that ever existed. All you have to do is point out that men do not come back from the dead. "One guy did!" Did you verify it with your own eyes? "No." Why not? "It happened 2,000 years ago." 2,000 years ago? How did you even hear about it then? "It was written up in a book." Which book? "The Bible." Who wrote that book? "It was written by jews." Do you find jews credible, generally? "No." Has any great Aryan had anything favorable to say about them? "Not that I'm aware of." Did Schopenhauer call them "a folk as honest as the day is long"? "No." Did he call them "great masters of the lie." "Yes." So why give their Bible any credence? "The Bible is the Good Book." What do jews call people who want to protect the Aryan race? "Haters." Do you generally agree with their valuations? "No." Just the Bible, eh? "Yes." So, the relation of Jesus to ordinary men is something like the relationship of the bible to everything else jews ever wrote: one good man, and one good book.
Every other man died and that was it, but jesus came back. Every other thing the jews write is filled with lies, but the Bible is true. Does that seem reasonable to you? Does that seem likely to you? "Gotta go."

Religion for tasteful people and WWF people serves the same function: provides a community feeling and some material security, some mental peace. It's not based on anything true, but hey, "use your illusions," as Guns 'n' Roses said.

If televangelism is a scam, then it's a scam in the sense of pro-wrestling. People keep returning to it, so they're getting something for their money. I doubt whether more than the fraction that believes WWF events aren't scripted believes the cures are real.

The dumber you are, the more confusing the world, the more powerless you feel, the more open to magical rather than factual explanations you are. The less control you feel over your life, the unhappier you are, hence the more open to "pie in the sky when you die." Also, many dolts who more or less realize they've been ripped off in the genetic lottery of life are susceptible to the appeal of their less gothic brothers getting their unjust rewards in the next life. More people relish the thought of their neighbor burning in hell than the thought of themselves enjoying heaven.

The crux of Christinanity is that if it weren't Dudism, it would be something else just as stoopid. So no point in getting upset about it. Those same softpates fainting into the arms of 'tard-wrangler orderlies could just as easily be cheering that exact same shaman ripping the heart out of a human sacrifice.
 
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Its good to see some great information come out of this. I realized that evangelists were kooks but never in this way. Unfortunately I have some "family" that are major evangelists. These are evangelists from Ukraine and apparently they have numbers all around the country. I hate to even think of these people as my "own". Nothing but scumbags and kooks who say that they are doing everything right and everyone else is wrong, typical of course. I consider them the niggers of my people.
 
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Its good to see some great information come out of this. I realized that evangelists were kooks but never in this way. Unfortunately I have some "family" that are major evangelists. These are evangelists from Ukraine and apparently they have numbers all around the country. I hate to even think of these people as my "own". Nothing but scumbags and kooks who say that they are doing everything right and everyone else is wrong, typical of course. I consider them the niggers of my people.

What you can take from observing them, is that on the postive side, is that you have to emanate a belief in your own thing or you'll never scare up new members. "many paths to one truth" is a truth that is best kept to the initiated and not at the entry level of certain types of organizations. any kind of "umbrella strategy" is far harder to execute than the plain vanilla, "we're right and you're wrong if you're not with us."
 
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I hate to even think of these people as my "own". Nothing but scumbags and kooks who say that they are doing everything right and everyone else is wrong, typical of course. I consider them the niggers of my people.
Think of them as carnie workers, because that's the same premise they're using. Working the rubes. Some of them are actually pretty smart, exploiting people's weakness for the dead jew to make a quick buck. Personally I would never be able to maintain a straight face thru one sermon and would start laughing as soon as the (tax-free) money started rolling in, so some level of talent must be required to be successful in this field of work. I don't think a single one of them really believe the shit they spew with the exception of Billy Graham. He seems sincere and has avoided scandal for many years, although I still have no use for him.
 
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This is going to sound so weird and silly but...why are they so damn weird? I mean every time I turn on one of those evangelist channels on tv theres some weirdo preacher barking like a nigger? Why are they like that? Plus these peel seem to parade around on a stage and not in a church.

Anyone have any info on these type of people?
In short, they're preaching heretical nonsense and many are just con-men looking to make easy money.
 
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I'm suprised noone has mentioned Benny Hinn, the smartly dressed con artist "faith healer."
 
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